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AtomicDumpling
01-27-2013, 06:23 PM
Welcome to the fifth season of the Redszone Dynasty League!

Time to get the ball rolling for another action-packed year of fantasy baseball excitement. :beerme:

Yahoo fantasy baseball is likely going to open on Tuesday February 5th. I will fire up the league on that date. Each of you should receive an email from Yahoo asking you to register and claim your team, so be sure to check the email account you used to sign up last year.

Once everyone gets registered for the league I will be able to add all our players to our rosters. I will need to know which 30 players you want to keep. You might have had more than 30 players at the end of the season if you had players on the Disabled List. I will be sending you PMs here on Redszone soon. In the PM will be your full roster, so just tell me which guys you want to cut to get down to 30 players. I will need your reply ASAP.

Congratulations to redsfandan for winning the championship last year. He succesfully defended his title from 2011. Can he make it three in a row this year?

I am planning a series of posts in this thread to share a lot of cool information about the history of our league, so check back often and share your thoughts and observations. If we can get lots of discussion going in this thread throughout the season it will make the league even more fun.

To make sure you don't miss anything, please subscribe to this thread by clicking on "Thread Tools" at the top of this post, then click on "Subscribe to this Thread", then select "Instant Notification by Email" from the dropdown box.

Good luck with your teams this year!

AtomicDumpling
01-27-2013, 10:53 PM
Since we now have 4 seasons in the books I think this is a good time to create a Record Book. Here are the single-season records for each category:


Category Total Team Season
Runs 1024 mbgrayson 2009
Home Runs 281 redsfandan 2011
RBIs 1007 Atomic Dumpling 2011
Stolen Bases 205 redsfandan 2011
Batting Average 0.289 redsfandan 2009
0.289 Atomic Dumpling 2009
Wins 99 mbgrayson 2012
Saves 157 Atomic Dumpling 2011
Strikeouts 1343 Atomic Dumpling 2012
ERA 2.94 mbgrayson 2011
WHIP 1.11 mbgrayson 2011
Total Points 112.5 Atomic Dumpling 2010

Surprisingly, it looks like only 3 different teams hold a record. I am sure that will change soon. Now you know the targets, get your team in the Record Book this year!

camisadelgolf
01-27-2013, 11:58 PM
I'll probably shatter all those records this year.

AtomicDumpling
01-28-2013, 12:40 AM
I'll probably shatter all those records this year.

It would be polite to leave me one if you could. Please. :p

camisadelgolf
01-28-2013, 03:10 AM
It would be polite to leave me one if you could. Please. :p
How does highest ERA sound? ;)

AtomicDumpling
01-28-2013, 03:33 PM
How does highest ERA sound? ;)

That is a mighty kind offer. Thank you very much! :thumbup:

The League Record for highest ERA in a season is 4.40 and I will be kind and not say who holds that dubious distinction unless you guys insist. Should I post a list of the worst records for each stat or is that rubbing folks' noses in the poo?

AtomicDumpling
01-28-2013, 03:35 PM
I will be posting the all-time standings tonight. There are a couple of different ways to do this, so I will do both. One is the total points earned by each team over the league's history.

The other way is to add up all the stats in each category over the four seasons, then assign points based by rank. For example, I will add up the total number of Runs scored by each team from 2009-2012 and give 12 points to the highest total down to 1 point for the lowest total. Then do that for each stat category and then come up with a grand total.

I have already done it both ways. There were a surprising number of differences in the results from the two methods... more on this later tonight.

camisadelgolf
01-28-2013, 04:20 PM
That is a mighty kind offer. Thank you very much! :thumbup:

The League Record for highest ERA in a season is 4.40 and I will be kind and not say who holds that dubious distinction unless you guys insist. Should I post a list of the worst records for each stat or is that rubbing folks' noses in the poo?
As long as it's good-natured ribbing, I see no problem with it. My team hasn't exactly been the cream of the crop, so I'd expect to see my name a couple times.

AtomicDumpling
01-28-2013, 09:53 PM
Here are the final point standings for each year of our league. I added up the total points to find the All-Time Standings:

All-Time Standings (Points Method)


Team 2009 2010 2011 2012 Total AVG All-Time Rank
Atomic Dumpling 108.0 112.5 88.0 96.0 404.5 101 1
mbgrayson 93.5 98.0 88.5 85.0 365.0 91 2
redsfandan 36.5 61.5 107.0 108.0 313.0 78 3
TRF's debacle 69.5 64.0 55.0 79.0 267.5 67 4
Gilpdawg 62.0 76.0 70.0 58.0 266.0 67 5
RedsManRick 62.5 48.5 80.0 64.5 255.5 64 6
camisadelgolf 22.5 75.0 53.0 67.0 217.5 54 7
nate 75.5 65.0 28.0 45.0 213.5 53 8
BaseCloggers 66.0 38.0 42.5 66.0 212.5 53 9
stephenk29 72.0 51.5 51.0 36.5 211.0 53 10
CRF2000 57.5 46.5 57.0 47.0 208.0 52 11
GAllen5862 54.5 43.5 60.0 28.0 186.0 47 12


Ownership changes:

RedsManRick took over his team before the 2011 season. The team was owned by Reds77 for the 2009-10 seasons.
GAllen5862 also took over his team before the 2011 season. The team was owned by WMR for the 2009-10 seasons.
It is an added challenge to take over someone else's team, especially one that wasn't good. It can take a long time to remodel the team, shift strategies and build it up the way you like it.


Observations on the Rankings:
Atomic Dumpling won the first two championships and redsfandan won the next two championships. Mbgrayson hasn't won a championship but still holds the runner-up slot in the All-Time Standings because he finished second for the first three seasons and came in third last year. Redsfandan absolutely dominated the league the last two years but comes in third here because he did not fare well in 2009 and 2010. During the draft he employed a strategy of taking lots of young prospects, then waited for them to mature and supplemented them with some astute trades to bullrush his way to the top of the league.


Top 3 Turnaround Seasons:

The record for the biggest point increase from one season to the next is the 52.5 point jump that camisadelgolf made from 2009-2010 when he went from last place to 4th place. Impressive.
The second-best turnaround is the 45.5 point jump that redsfandan's team made between 2010 and 2011 when he went from 7th place to 1st place and won his first league title.
RedsManRick made a 31.5 point jump in 2011.


This goes to show that it is possible to drastically improve your team very quickly. Redsfandan finished second-to-last in 2009 yet two years later he won the championship.

Soon I will post the All Time Standings in a different manner. The results will be different.

AtomicDumpling
01-29-2013, 01:32 AM
All-Time Standings (5x5 Category Totals Method)



Team Rank Points Runs Runs HRs HRs RBI RBI SBs SBs AVG AVG Wins Wins Saves Saves Strikeouts ERA ERA WHIP WHIP
Total Total Points Total Points Total Points Total Points AVG Points Total Points Total Points Total Points AVG Points AVG Points
Atomic Dumpling 1 109.0 3936 12 990 12 3946 12 624 11 0.2795 12 344 12 581 12 5064 12 3.70 7 1.245 7
mbgrayson 2 104.5 3836 11 961 11 3663 11 531 7 0.27575 9.5 336 10 528 11 4565 10 3.41 12 1.2 12
redsfandan 3 92.0 3540 9 948 10 3390 7 638 12 0.27275 6 328 7 407 10 4922 11 3.51 10 1.225 10
Gilpdawg 4 71.0 3517 8 939 9 3551 10 484 5 0.27 3 338 11 384 8 4428 6 3.73 6 1.2825 5
TRF's debacle 5 68.0 3339 2 853 5 3286 5 483 4 0.27375 8 335 9 397 9 4476 8 3.52 9 1.2275 9
RedsManRick 6 65.0 3650 10 927 8 3461 8 607 10 0.27075 4 332 8 232 2 4461 7 3.78 5 1.2975 3
CRF2000 7 50.5 3336 1 909 7 3388 6 391 1 0.27575 9.5 293 2 73 1 3815 1 3.45 11 1.21 11
stephenk29 7 50.0 3415 6 795 2 3269 4 554 9 0.276 11 316 6 273 5 4244 3 3.92 3 1.32 1
BaseCloggers 9 47.0 3353 3 828 4 3092 1 419 2 0.27325 7 288 1 271 4 4555 9 3.66 8 1.2425 8
camisadelgolf 10 44.0 3388 5 809 3 3197 2 518 6 0.264 1 312 5 383 7 4424 5 3.85 4 1.27 6
nate 11 42.0 3453 7 790 1 3203 3 537 8 0.271 5 311 4 357 6 4190 2 3.92 2 1.295 4
GAllen5862 12 37.0 3356 4 901 6 3516 9 447 3 0.265 2 303 3 256 3 4289 4 4.17 1 1.3075 2



This is what the All-Time Standings would look like if all four seasons of our league were combined into one long season. So instead of totaling up 162 games of stats to see who has the most fantasy points, I took all 648 (162x4) games worth and added them up to see how the standings would shake out.

You can see some differences between this ranking and the total points method in the previous post. The top three teams are the same, but there the similarities end.

Gilpdawg and TRF swapped the 4th and 5th places.
CRF2000 goes from 11th to 7th.
Stephenk29 goes from 10 to 8th.
camisadelfgolf and nate both fall three slots.
At the top, Atomic Dumpling still claims first place, but his lead over mbgrayson and redsfandan is much smaller.
In the points method the total points ranged from 46.5-101.0 but in the 5x5 Category method the points ranged from 37-109. So the points race is tighter top to bottom, but not as tight near the top.
mbgrayson could conceivably sit atop this list next year and lead the All-Time Standings despite not winning any championships yet.
Several of these categories are still very close after four years of battle. For example, Atomic Dumpling holds a very slim lead with 6 Wins and mbgrayson's WHIP is only 0.01 better than CRF2000's. These point totals could change a lot each year.


You can also see who the all-time leaders in each category are. (Should I brag that my team is leading 7 of the 10 categories? No? OK I won't. Knock me down next year if you think I shouldn't brag. Just kidding. I am not a braggart -- even though I could be. Sorry, couldn't resist. Do you hate me now? I probably just jinxed my team. Karma is a female dog.)

One thing I think is neat about these All-Time Standings is they can give teams who may be out of the running for a championship late in the year an additional motivational factor. Maybe a team can't win a league title this year but they can still gain ground in the All-Time Standings. From now on we not only fight for yearly championships, but we also fight to be the All-Time Champ. These standings may not mean that much now after only four seasons, but a few more years down the road it would be pretty cool to be the All-Time Leader after a decade-long run.

camisadelgolf
01-29-2013, 03:40 AM
Thank you for the analysis, AD. This is awesome.

My first draft was horrific. I tried going young, but I had a lot of busts combined with ridiculously bad luck on the injury front. After that, I took action and accepted that I needed to get some veterans to compete. However, I got in a position where it looked like I couldn't compete long term, so I went back to the drawing board. 2011 saw me rebuild, which I kept doing in 2012 with decent results. Now I feel okay about 2013 and even better about the future.

AtomicDumpling
01-29-2013, 03:56 AM
Thank you for the analysis, AD. This is awesome.

My first draft was horrific. I tried going young, but I had a lot of busts combined with ridiculously bad luck on the injury front. After that, I took action and accepted that I needed to get some veterans to compete. However, I got in a position where it looked like I couldn't compete long term, so I went back to the drawing board. 2011 saw me rebuild, which I kept doing in 2012 with decent results. Now I feel okay about 2013 and even better about the future.

I just took a look at your team and liked what I saw. You had enough veterans to compete well this past season and came in 5th. You also have a very nice group of top prospects on the verge of breaking into the majors and boosting your team to the top of the standings. I think you could be a threat to win the championship this year if things break just right, and a definite threat next year and perpetually after that.

How many of those prospects did I trade to you? At least a few I can remember.

camisadelgolf
01-29-2013, 05:03 AM
I just took a look at your team and liked what I saw. You had enough veterans to compete well this past season and came in 5th. You also have a very nice group of top prospects on the verge of breaking into the majors and boosting your team to the top of the standings. I think you could be a threat to win the championship this year if things break just right, and a definite threat next year and perpetually after that.

How many of those prospects did I trade to you? At least a few I can remember.
Only the good ones. :evil:

*BaseClogger*
01-29-2013, 11:30 AM
I'm just consistently mediocre! I'll take it!

*BaseClogger*
01-29-2013, 11:31 AM
I've found rebuilding to be pretty difficult in this league. There are only a few teams buying each year because of the dominance by AD and Dan and a lot of sellers--it's been a perpetual buyer's market...

camisadelgolf
01-29-2013, 04:31 PM
I've found rebuilding to be pretty difficult in this league. There are only a few teams buying each year because of the dominance by AD and Dan and a lot of sellers--it's been a perpetual buyer's market...
In my years of fantasy sports, one lesson I've learned is that "win now" is the best philosophy at least 9 times out of 10. I wasn't even all that desperate when I decided to rebuild. It's just that I saw a window no one else was going through (at the time) and figured it would be my best route.

AtomicDumpling
01-29-2013, 06:23 PM
I've found rebuilding to be pretty difficult in this league. There are only a few teams buying each year because of the dominance by AD and Dan and a lot of sellers--it's been a perpetual buyer's market...

Yes I agree with you. It is tougher to rebuild in this league than in most other leagues. When I set this league up I made an effort to ensure that all the team owners were experienced, skilled fantasy baseball players. The competition in this league is top-notch. It makes it much more challenging and also more rewarding than beating up on a Yahoo Public League that is for sure. Everybody in our league is knowledgeable about baseball so it is a hard league to win.

As my team and Dan's team and mbgrayson's team get older it opens up opportunities for other teams to knock us off our perch. I imagine the All-Time Standings will look much different a few years from now.

If you think it is a buyer's market then you should buy, buy, buy! I agree to some extent that the market favors buyers right now, but if you have something good to trade you can find some good deals, especially early in the season when most people feel they have a chance to win and have not gone into rebuilding mode yet.

I have found the price for top prospects to be very high. I think the success of Mike Trout and Bryce Harper will drive the value of top prospects even higher this year because everyone will be scrambling to find the next superstar rookie (even though a Mike Trout only comes around once every twenty years or so).

I hope Yahoo enables minor league rosters soon. That should give teams another opportunity to build a strong foundation for the future.

AtomicDumpling
02-02-2013, 12:12 AM
I posted this information after the season in last year's league thread, but I am guessing many of you did not see this. I will post it again here where it fits in better. I also added quite a bit of extra info.

Well now we entering the 5th season of our dynasty league. Remember way back at the beginning when we had our original draft? We drafted 29 players each. How many of those players are still on your team?


13 -- CRF2000: Mark Teixeira, Alfonso Soriano, Brandon Phillips, Jacoby Ellsbury, Hunter Pence, Michael Young, Felix Hernandez, Matt Cain, Justin Verlander, Josh Johnson, Paul Konerko, Jed Lowrie, Mark Buehrle

8 -- mgbrayson: Jose Reyes, Prince Fielder, Chad Billingsley, Andre Ethier, Mike Napoli, Jered Weaver, Elvis Andrus, Cody Ross

8 -- Atomic Dumpling: David Wright, Johan Santana, CC Sabathia, Carl Crawford, Matt Kemp, Victor Martinez, Robinson Cano, Billy Butler

8 -- stephenk29: Miguel Cabrera, Chase Utley, Nick Markakis, Justin Morneau, Jon Lester, James Shields, Adam Wainwright, AJ Pierzynski

6 -- Gilpdawg: Alex Rios, Curtis Granderson, Jhonny Peralta, Edinson Volquez, Torii Hunter

4 -- redsfandan: Hanley Ramirez, Justin Upton, Clayton Kershaw, James McDonald

4 -- GAllen5862: Alex Rodriguez, Chris Young (OF), Adam Lind, Tommy Hanson

3 -- BaseCloggers: David Ortiz, Josh Beckett, Trevor Cahill

2 -- TRF's debacle: Joey Votto, Ryan Ludwick

1 -- camisadelgolf: B.J. Upton

1 -- RedsManRick: Jose Valverde

0 -- Nate:



There were 29 rounds in the draft, but we have 30 man rosters now.

That means 58 out of the original 348 draft picks are still with the team that drafted them. That is a 16.7% rate.

Some of these guys might have been dropped or traded, then reacquired rather than having been on the team without interruption ever since the draft.

GAllen5862's team was drafted by WMR before the 2009 season. GAllen5862 took over for the 2011 season.
RedsManRick's team was drafted by reds77 before the 2009 season. RedsManRick took over for the 2011 season.

CRF2000 still has almost half of his original 29 man roster. Look at those pitchers. He made some great draft picks that are still the foundation of his excellent pitching rotation.

Nate has Grant Balfour on his team and he also drafted him in the initial draft, but he has not had him continuously ever since the draft.
gilpdawg drafted Zack Greinke in the 2009 draft, traded him away and reacquired him and still has him now.
camisadelgolf actually drafted Chase Headley twice (2009 initial draft and the 2011 draft) and still has him now.

camisadelgolf also drafted Jeremy Hellickson twice (2009 initial draft and the 2010 draft) but he no longer has him.

AJ Burnett has been drafted three times in four years. In 2009 by reds77, in 2011 by GAllen5862, and in 2012 by GAllen5862 again.

The lowest pick of the original draft still remaining with his original team is Cody Ross. He was the 340th player selected in the draft with the 4th pick of the 29th and final round by mbgrayson.

It seems to me that our teams have changed a LOT over the years. Most of the players from the early rounds are still stars, so if they are not still on their original teams it is because they were traded. Once you get past the first half-dozen rounds of the draft you start seeing quite a few dud picks and players that have gotten too old to remain productive and were dropped.

Almost all of the guys on the list were already established star players at the time of the draft. Very few of them were prospects that have since blossomed into stars -- Justin Upton, Clayton Kershaw, Billy Butler.

Justin Verlander wasn't drafted until the 12th round.

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How many will remain a year from now?

How long until no draftees remain with their original teams?

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Here are some late round picks that turned to gold:

11th round: Matt Cain, Zack Greinke
12th round: Justin Verlander, Johnny Cueto
13th round: Clayton Kershaw, Pablo Sandoval
15th round: Adam Jones
16th round: Josh Johnson, Billy Butler
18th round: Jered Weaver
24th round: Jordan Zimmerman, Elvis Andrus, Chase Headley, Aaron Hill
25th round: Ian Kennedy
26th round: Hiroki Kiroda
28th round: Yadier Molina, Andrew McCutchen
29th round: Jeremy Hellickson

camisadelgolf
02-02-2013, 08:29 AM
I have no regrets about losing Hellickson twice. His K-rate leaves a lot to be desired. Although I traded him, my favorite pick was Matt Moore since a couple people told me it was such a huge overdraft. I ended up trading him in the deal that got me Freddie Freeman (whom I traded in a deal for Wil Myers, Dylan Bundy, and Carlos Marmol).

AtomicDumpling
02-03-2013, 02:20 AM
I have no regrets about losing Hellickson twice. His K-rate leaves a lot to be desired. Although I traded him, my favorite pick was Matt Moore since a couple people told me it was such a huge overdraft. I ended up trading him in the deal that got me Freddie Freeman (whom I traded in a deal for Wil Myers, Dylan Bundy, and Carlos Marmol).

I remember that Freddie Freeman trade. It helped me last year but should be a clear win for you starting this year or maybe next year. I agree that Hellickson's saber stats don't look nearly as good as his fantasy stats.

TRF
02-04-2013, 04:42 PM
I like finding waiver gems more than the draft, and in fact, i have little trick i will not reveal that helps even more.

Medlen, Miley, Strailey, Simmons and i think Frazier were all waiver wire pickups for me. Also Jim Johnson and Alex Cobb I think. I even think EE was gotten from there as well.

I really like my SP going forward.. could use another closer though.

cinredsfan2000
02-04-2013, 06:17 PM
well for all the starting pitching i have a don't really have a solid /good closer.

AtomicDumpling
02-04-2013, 06:56 PM
I like finding waiver gems more than the draft, and in fact, i have little trick i will not reveal that helps even more.

Medlen, Miley, Strailey, Simmons and i think Frazier were all waiver wire pickups for me. Also Jim Johnson and Alex Cobb I think. I even think EE was gotten from there as well.

I really like my SP going forward.. could use another closer though.

I will spend every waking moment trying to crack your code. I shall not rest until the riddle is solved. :confused:

AtomicDumpling
02-04-2013, 06:57 PM
well for all the starting pitching i have a don't really have a solid /good closer.

That is how trades are born...


Your ERA and WHIP have been fantastic every year. For some reason it hasn't translated into good Wins, Saves and Strikeout totals. Those starting pitchers you drafted have been dominant and you have added on some good ones since then too.

*BaseClogger*
02-05-2013, 11:12 AM
I think the most interesting player in the above list is James McDonald--he had to have been dropped at some point, right?

AtomicDumpling
02-05-2013, 03:49 PM
I think the most interesting player in the above list is James McDonald--he had to have been dropped at some point, right?

Confirmed. McDonald was picked up by redsfandan on May 1st, 2012 which brought him back to the team that selected him in our inaugural draft.

camisadelgolf
02-06-2013, 08:46 PM
Picking my four players to drop felt like pulling teeth. I probably could've gotten something in trade for them.

AtomicDumpling
02-06-2013, 08:57 PM
Picking my four players to drop felt like pulling teeth. I probably could've gotten something in trade for them.

Yeah it hurts to give away good players. I will be OK for getting down to 30 players this week, but come draft time I don't know who I will cut in order to make my draft picks. Maybe some trades between now and the draft will make my decisions easier.

camisadelgolf
02-07-2013, 01:12 AM
Oh, I just assumed we couldn't make trades since the rosters are locked.

AtomicDumpling
02-07-2013, 03:34 AM
Oh, I just assumed we couldn't make trades since the rosters are locked.

As soon as everybody signs up for the league I will be able to enter everyone's rosters. That is why I need to know which players you need to drop to get down to the maximum 30 players on your roster.

After I get the rosters entered (hopefully by Saturday if everyone sends me their drops by then as I requested) you will be able to make trades right away. The draft won't be for another month from now. So you will have plenty of time to make trades before the draft.

RedsManRick
02-07-2013, 12:09 PM
Can we get a reminder of how the draft process works? We have X rounds and then we drop from our roster when we pick a guy up?

Gallen5862
02-07-2013, 02:28 PM
Here are my 4 players to drop.

1. Grady Sizemore
2. Adam Lind
3. Michael Pineda
4. Carlos Lee

*BaseClogger*
02-07-2013, 03:53 PM
4. Carlos Lee

Oh boy! CAN'T WAIT TO DRAFT HIM!

camisadelgolf
02-07-2013, 06:54 PM
Can we get a reminder of how the draft process works? We have X rounds and then we drop from our roster when we pick a guy up?
Exactly. We have always done five rounds in the past.

TRF
02-08-2013, 12:01 PM
8 of 12 have signed in. and AD, i "discovered" my trick in the end of the 2011 season.. not difficult trick, but hasn't completely paid off yet. I expect it will this season though.

AtomicDumpling
02-08-2013, 04:41 PM
Can we get a reminder of how the draft process works? We have X rounds and then we drop from our roster when we pick a guy up?

Our 30-man rosters will be finalized this weekend. The draft will begin approximately March 10th. So there will be a month to make trades and plan for the draft by viewing the available players on the website.


The draft will last for 5 rounds.
Each team has 10 hours to post their pick when their turn is on the clock.
When you draft a player you may also have to drop a player to make sure you don't exceed the limit of 30 players.
Draft picks can be traded.
If you get skipped because you didn't post your pick within 10 hours you can still make your pick when you return to the site.

Benihana
02-10-2013, 06:24 PM
Is there an available team?

AtomicDumpling
02-10-2013, 06:41 PM
Is there an available team?

Sorry, our league is full. I will keep you in mind should a team become available. We are going into our 5th season and we still have 10 of our original 12 team owners. Two owners dropped out after the 2nd season but we replaced them with good players who are still here. I will send you a PM with info about another league that has an opening, although I am not the commissioner of that one. It is composed mostly of Redszoners too.

AtomicDumpling
02-11-2013, 05:52 AM
Rosters are finalized and you can now set your lineups, propose trades and begin planning for the draft.

2013 Draft Order:

1.1 redsfandan 2.1 stephenk29 3.1 redsfandan 4.1 GAllen5862 5.1 GAllen5862
1.2 camisadelgolf 2.2 mbgrayson 3.2 stephenk29 4.2 stephenk29 5.2 stephenk29
1.3 nate 2.3 Atomic Dumpling 3.3 nate 4.3 nate 5.3 nate
1.4 CRF2000 2.4 CRF2000 3.4 CRF2000 4.4 CRF2000 5.4 CRF2000
1.5 gilpdawg 2.5 redsfandan 3.5 gilpdawg 4.5 gilpdawg 5.5 GAllen5862
1.6 RedsManRick 2.6 RedsManRick 3.6 RedsManRick 4.6 RedsManRick 5.6 RedsManRick
1.7 Basecloggers 2.7 Basecloggers 3.7 Basecloggers 4.7 Basecloggers 5.7 Basecloggers
1.8 redsfandan 2.8 gilpdawg 3.8 nate 4.8 stephenk29 5.8 camisadelgolf is #1
1.9 TRF's debacle 2.9 TRF's debacle 3.9 TRF's debacle 4.9 TRF's debacle 5.9 TRF's debacle
1.10 mbgrayson 2.10 mbgrayson 3.10 mbgrayson 4.10 mbgrayson 5.10 camisadelgolf is #1
1.11 Atomic Dumpling 2.11 Atomic Dumpling 3.11 Atomic Dumpling 4.11 Atomic Dumpling 5.11 camisadelgolf is #1
1.12 GAllen5862 2.12 gilpdawg 3.12 GAllen5862 4.12 redsfandan 5.12 camisadelgolf is #1


Camisadelgolf is trying to corner the market on 5th round picks. He made a whole bunch of draft pick trades last year. :thumbup:

I had some difficulty finalizing the official draft order due to confusion caused by the trading of 2013 draft picks before the 2012 draft. All draft pick trades made in February and early March of 2012 (before the draft) were intended to be made using 2012 draft picks but on the website they were factored into the 2013 draft. That resulted in some draft picks being traded later during the 2012 season that were not actually owned by the team that traded them. I was able to make some adjustments to substitute the closest draft pick still owned by that player so the overall side effects were minor. I believe I did this in the fairest way possible, but if anyone wants to double-check my work and show me a better way then I might make some further slight adjustments to the draft order. I think it is very close though. This is a confusing subject and it is hard to describe it fully here, but if anyone wants to discuss just send me an email or a PM on Redszone. We will have to make some changes to our pre-draft trading process to prevent this from happening again.

This problem has never arisen before because we have rarely traded draft picks in prior years. Last year we did. A lot in fact. The problem is caused by the fact we have a slow offline draft rather than a live draft on the website. In most leagues you can't see your roster before the draft, but since we have 30 keepers it would be crazy for us to not be able to see our full rosters before the draft. So the best option for me as Commissioner is to use the "Finalize Keepers and the Draft" option on the website as soon as all teams are registered and have selected their 30 keepers. I did that yesterday. So as far as the Yahoo league site is concerned we have already had our 2013 draft. So any traded draft picks from here on out are reflected on the 2014 draft -- not the 2013 draft. If I didn't do it that way we would not be able to make ANY trades before the draft nor would we be able to easily distinguish which players in the Free Agent list are going to be available in the draft. Making player trades and planning for the draft are higher priority over the next month than trading draft picks.

IMPORTANT NOTE:
We can trade draft picks for the upcoming 2013 draft, but we can't use the Yahoo trading system for doing so. If you would like to include an exchange of 2013 draft picks in a trade please do so using the Comments area of the trade proposal and notify me when the trade is complete so I can change the 2013 draft order. Any traded draft pick using the checkmark system in the trade proposal application will be considered a trade of 2014 draft picks. The checkmark system in the trade application shows that every team has a pick in every round, but due to traded picks that is certainly not the case for the 2013 draft. So if you forget and include 2013 draft picks in your trade proposals you are likely to end up trading picks that don't exist. Please consult the official 2013 draft order posted here and in the Commissioner's Note for use in all trades.

I have not chosen a specific date to start the draft yet, but it will be near March 2nd. Each team will have a 10 hour time limit to post their pick.

Gallen5862
02-11-2013, 10:28 AM
What trade did I make that resulted in the loss of my second round pick?

AtomicDumpling
02-11-2013, 02:36 PM
What trade did I make that resulted in the loss of my second round pick?

On May 30th, 2012 you traded Mariano Rivera and your 2nd round pick to camisadelgolf for Dayan Viciedo, Jemile Weeks, Michael Pineda and his 5th round pick. Camisadelgolf subsequently traded that pick to stephenk29 on June 28th.

If anyone is interested in viewing last years trades you can still do so. Just go to our Yahoo league page, then find the dropdown box where it says 2013 (near the top on the right) and select 2012 from the dropdown. Then at the bottom of the 2012 page where it says Recent Transactions click "View All". Then click "Trades".

Gallen5862
02-11-2013, 03:08 PM
Thanks AtomicDumpling.

AtomicDumpling
02-11-2013, 09:15 PM
This is a minor revision of the draft order. In the previous list I transposed picks 2.3 and 2.5. That happened because at one time camisadelgolf owned both of them, and when he traded one of them I swapped the wrong one in the list. He later traded the other one as well. So now both of those picks are with their proper owners.

2013 Draft Order:

1.1 redsfandan 2.1 stephenk29 3.1 redsfandan 4.1 GAllen5862 5.1 GAllen5862
1.2 camisadelgolf 2.2 mbgrayson 3.2 stephenk29 4.2 stephenk29 5.2 stephenk29
1.3 nate 2.3 redsfandan 3.3 nate 4.3 nate 5.3 nate
1.4 CRF2000 2.4 CRF2000 3.4 CRF2000 4.4 CRF2000 5.4 CRF2000
1.5 gilpdawg 2.5 Atomic Dumpling 3.5 gilpdawg 4.5 gilpdawg 5.5 GAllen5862
1.6 RedsManRick 2.6 RedsManRick 3.6 RedsManRick 4.6 RedsManRick 5.6 RedsManRick
1.7 Basecloggers 2.7 Basecloggers 3.7 Basecloggers 4.7 Basecloggers 5.7 Basecloggers
1.8 redsfandan 2.8 gilpdawg 3.8 nate 4.8 stephenk29 5.8 camisadelgolf
1.9 TRF's debacle 2.9 TRF's debacle 3.9 TRF's debacle 4.9 TRF's debacle 5.9 TRF's debacle
1.10 mbgrayson 2.10 mbgrayson 3.10 mbgrayson 4.10 mbgrayson 5.10 camisadelgolf
1.11 Atomic Dumpling 2.11 Atomic Dumpling 3.11 Atomic Dumpling 4.11 Atomic Dumpling 5.11 camisadelgolf
1.12 GAllen5862 2.12 gilpdawg 3.12 GAllen5862 4.12 redsfandan 5.12 camisadelgolf


IMPORTANT NOTE:
We can trade draft picks for the upcoming 2013 draft, but we can't use the Yahoo trading system for doing so. If you would like to include an exchange of 2013 draft picks in a trade please do so using the Comments area of the trade proposal and notify me when the trade is complete so I can change the 2013 draft order. Any traded draft pick using the checkmark system in the trade proposal application will be considered a trade of 2014 draft picks. The checkmark system in the trade application shows that every team has a pick in every round, but due to traded picks that is certainly not the case for the 2013 draft. So if you forget and include 2013 draft picks in your trade proposals you are likely to end up trading picks that don't exist. Please consult the official 2013 draft order posted here and in the Commissioner's Note for use in all trades.

I have not chosen a specific date to start the draft yet, but it will be near March 2nd. Each team will have a 10 hour time limit to post their pick.

One other note, according to the Yahoo Fantasy Freakshow Podcast they will be adding additional minor leaguers to the player pool sometime within the next couple of weeks. Yahoo's stats provider forgot to add them so Yahoo has instructed them to correct the error. This should happen before our draft. If it does not we may push the draft back a week or so.

*BaseClogger*
02-12-2013, 08:53 AM
Stupid camisa causing all the confusion! :rant:

camisadelgolf
02-12-2013, 03:52 PM
Of the 60 picks in the draft, at least 25% of them have belonged to me at some point.

AtomicDumpling
02-13-2013, 07:16 PM
Of the 60 picks in the draft, at least 25% of them have belonged to me at some point.

Truth. You owned 15 of the 60 picks at some point . Exactly 25%.

redsfandan
02-16-2013, 09:23 AM
The 1st pick in the draft is available in a trade. So, if anyone has any interest just let me know.



Rosters are finalized and you can now set your lineups, propose trades and begin planning for the draft.

2013 Draft Order:

1.1 redsfandan 2.1 stephenk29 3.1 redsfandan 4.1 GAllen5862 5.1 GAllen5862
1.2 camisadelgolf 2.2 mbgrayson 3.2 stephenk29 4.2 stephenk29 5.2 stephenk29
1.3 nate 2.3 Atomic Dumpling 3.3 nate 4.3 nate 5.3 nate
1.4 CRF2000 2.4 CRF2000 3.4 CRF2000 4.4 CRF2000 5.4 CRF2000
1.5 gilpdawg 2.5 redsfandan 3.5 gilpdawg 4.5 gilpdawg 5.5 GAllen5862
1.6 RedsManRick 2.6 RedsManRick 3.6 RedsManRick 4.6 RedsManRick 5.6 RedsManRick
1.7 Basecloggers 2.7 Basecloggers 3.7 Basecloggers 4.7 Basecloggers 5.7 Basecloggers
1.8 redsfandan 2.8 gilpdawg 3.8 nate 4.8 stephenk29 5.8 camisadelgolf is #1
1.9 TRF's debacle 2.9 TRF's debacle 3.9 TRF's debacle 4.9 TRF's debacle 5.9 TRF's debacle
1.10 mbgrayson 2.10 mbgrayson 3.10 mbgrayson 4.10 mbgrayson 5.10 camisadelgolf is #1
1.11 Atomic Dumpling 2.11 Atomic Dumpling 3.11 Atomic Dumpling 4.11 Atomic Dumpling 5.11 camisadelgolf is #1
1.12 GAllen5862 2.12 gilpdawg 3.12 GAllen5862 4.12 redsfandan 5.12 camisadelgolf is #1

AtomicDumpling
02-26-2013, 08:49 AM
Hey Guys,

The draft is going to start on Friday, March 15th at Noon Cincinnati time.

As usual, each team owner will have 10 hours to make his pick. Your timer starts the moment the previous pick is posted on the league message board. After 10 hours has elapsed the pick is skipped and the next owner is on the clock. Skipped picks can be made whenever you can get online and post the pick.

The draft order is posted in the yellow Commissioner's Note area of the league home page and is also in the league thread on Redszone.

Redsfandan has the first pick of the draft. Picks can be made prior to Noon on March 15th but the actual 10-hour timers will not start until that date.

If you would like to receive a text message when it is your turn to draft send me a message with your cell phone number. You are still responsible for your own 10-hour timer even if you don't get a text message, but I will send you a text as soon as I see it is your turn.

Please remember to email the next owner after you have made your pick. This will speed up the draft.

Good luck with your draft, and leave a good player for me!

--Atomic Dumpling


Draft rules:
1. You have 10 hours to make your pick. If you have not placed your pick within 10 hours, the next player can go ahead and post his pick. You do not lose your pick. You can still make your pick as soon as you return to the website.
2. After you make your pick please email the next player to let him know it is his turn. This will speed up the draft. To send the email click on "Email League" at the top of any league page. Then click on the next player and send him a message.
3. The draft will be a straight draft consisting of five rounds.
4. To make your pick just post your draftee's name on the league message board like this: round.pick Player Name (1.1 Johan Santana or 5.12 Jay Bruce) Then you can add the player to your team by selecting him from the Free Agent list.
5. If you ask someone else to post your pick or your draftee is on waivers the commissioner will add your player to your team page as soon as possible. Before you pick, make sure the player has not already been drafted.
6. You can trade draft picks. The only pick you can't trade is the one that is "on the clock". We learned from experience that can cause long delays.
7. The draft will be a straight draft. All rounds have the same draft order.
8. Multiple picks can be skipped. For example, 10 hours have elapsed since pick 4.3 was posted so pick 4.4 is skipped and pick 4.5 is on the clock. If 10 hours later pick 4.5 has not been posted then he is skipped and pick 4.6 is on the clock.
9. Draft order will be the reverse of prior year's standings.
10. You may not exceed the roster size limit. If you are at the limit when it is your turn to draft you must drop a player before you can draft a player. The dropped player will become draftable immediately -- the next team owner in the draft may select the droppped player without waiting for him to clear waivers.
11. Players added to the Yahoo player pool after the draft begins are not eligible to be drafted and will be placed on waivers after the draft is over.
12. When all five rounds are completed, the commissioner will set a date and time when all undrafted players will be eligible to be added on a first come, first served basis -- it is not a free-for-all as soon as the last draft pick is made.

*BaseClogger*
02-28-2013, 10:22 AM
You made the draft St. Patrick's Day weekend to sabotage those of us who like to have fun, eh AD? :D

camisadelgolf
02-28-2013, 03:14 PM
I'd appreciate a text as I'll likely be busy that day.

*BaseClogger*
02-28-2013, 04:25 PM
I'd appreciate a text as I'll likely be busy that day. 513-739-3837

Your picks should be fun! :D

AtomicDumpling
02-28-2013, 05:18 PM
I'd appreciate a text as I'll likely be busy that day. 513-xxx-xxxx

I wrote down your cell number and will text you when your turn comes up.

AtomicDumpling
02-28-2013, 05:22 PM
You made the draft St. Patrick's Day weekend to sabotage those of us who like to have fun, eh AD? :D

Maybe you should make a draft list before you pound that first pint of Beamish then eh? If you don't, you might make some crazy picks that will entertain the rest of us. :lol:

TRF
03-01-2013, 04:01 PM
I'd appreciate a text as I'll likely be busy that day. ***-***-****

camis.. maybe it's just me, but now that your number has been written down, i'd edit my post removing your phone number.

you never know what kind of weirdos lurk around here.

Gallen5862
03-01-2013, 04:07 PM
I deleted his phone number for him.

camisadelgolf
03-01-2013, 11:27 PM
I really don't care. I'm pretty sure half the crazy women in Cincinnati already have it anyway. I call them my ex-girlfriends.

redsfandan
03-09-2013, 08:44 AM
Redsfandan has the first pick of the draft. Picks can be made prior to Noon on March 15th but the actual 10-hour timers will not start until that date.



I'll probably make my first pick a little early just to get things going.

AtomicDumpling
03-09-2013, 08:57 AM
I'll probably make my first pick a little early just to get things going.

Sounds good. If you know who you want you might as well snatch him (or her :eek:) up now and get this puppy rolling.

redsfandan
03-09-2013, 09:04 AM
Sounds good. If you know who you want you might as well snatch him (or her :eek:) up now and get this puppy rolling.

I was thinking of making the pick a day or two early, not (almost) a full week early. But, it doesn't matter to me.

AtomicDumpling
03-09-2013, 10:30 AM
Draft rules:
1. You have 10 hours to make your pick. If you have not placed your pick within 10 hours, the next player can go ahead and post his pick. You do not lose your pick. You can still make your pick as soon as you return to the website.
2. After you make your pick please email the next player to let him know it is his turn. This will speed up the draft. To send the email click on "Email League" at the top of any league page. Then click on the next player and send him a message.
3. The draft will be a straight draft consisting of five rounds.
4. To make your pick just post your draftee's name on the league message board like this: round.pick Player Name (1.1 Johan Santana or 5.12 Jay Bruce) Then you can add the player to your team by selecting him from the Free Agent list.
5. If you ask someone else to post your pick or your draftee is on waivers the commissioner will add your player to your team page as soon as possible. Before you pick, make sure the player has not already been drafted.
6. You can trade draft picks. The only pick you can't trade is the one that is "on the clock". We learned from experience that can cause long delays.
7. The draft will be a straight draft. All rounds have the same draft order.
8. Multiple picks can be skipped. For example, 10 hours have elapsed since pick 4.3 was posted so pick 4.4 is skipped and pick 4.5 is on the clock. If 10 hours later pick 4.5 has not been posted then he is skipped and pick 4.6 is on the clock.
9. Draft order will be the reverse of prior year's standings.
10. You may not exceed the roster size limit. If you are at the limit when it is your turn to draft you must drop a player before you can draft a player. The dropped player will become draftable immediately -- the next team owner in the draft may select the droppped player without waiting for him to clear waivers.
11. Players added to the Yahoo player pool after the draft begins are not eligible to be drafted and will be placed on waivers after the draft is over.
12. When all five rounds are completed, the commissioner will set a date and time when all undrafted players will be eligible to be added on a first come, first served basis -- it is not a free-for-all as soon as the last draft pick is made.
13. If an owner has consecutive draft picks he only gets one 10-hour timer before he can be skipped.


When I posted the rules earlier in this thread I made a cut-and-paste error and lopped off the last rule. I have added it here. Since we no longer use a snake draft this rule rarely applies. Only if someone has traded picks and ended up with back-to-back picks would this rule come into effect.

AtomicDumpling
03-09-2013, 10:33 AM
I was thinking of making the pick a day or two early, not (almost) a full week early. But, it doesn't matter to me.

Well it is purely up to you (do it now). You can make the pick early (do it now) or wait until Friday at Noon when your timer starts. In past years we have seen picks made early, but it is definitely not required. (do it now) So there is no pressure to make that pick early (do it now) if you don't want to. (do it now)

redsfandan
03-09-2013, 11:27 AM
Well it is purely up to you (do it now). You can make the pick early (do it now) or wait until Friday at Noon when your timer starts. In past years we have seen picks made early, but it is definitely not required. (do it now) So there is no pressure to make that pick early (do it now) if you don't want to. (do it now)

So, are you saying I should wait?

AtomicDumpling
03-09-2013, 12:10 PM
*Curses subliminal messaging*

AtomicDumpling
03-13-2013, 06:11 PM
Reminder: the draft officially starts at Noon on Friday, that is two days from now!

Three picks have already been made in the draft, which is awesome. Oscar Taveras, Christian Yelich and Dayan Viciedo are off the board. Seems like young hitters are popular these days.

CRF2000 is next up with the 1.4 pick, but he won't be on the clock until Noon Friday.

cinredsfan2000
03-13-2013, 09:02 PM
Well the trend has continued with the #4 pick i picked Boston Red Sox O.F. prospect Jackie Bradley

AtomicDumpling
03-13-2013, 09:40 PM
Well the trend has continued with the #4 pick i picked Boston Red Sox O.F. prospect Jackie Bradley

He is having a great spring.

Gallen5862
03-16-2013, 09:11 PM
Pick 1:12
Brandon McCarthy Sp Arizona Diamondbacks

AtomicDumpling
03-22-2013, 02:57 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Yahoo has added a long-awaited new feature to fantasy baseball that we have been wanting to add since the inception of our league in 2009. We now have the option to include a Minor League Roster!

Most of us have been eagerly awaiting the option to have a minor league roster in our league. Yahoo finally came through! Our dynasty format is perfect for this new feature. The minor league roster will augment our league with a new level of strategy and realism. It will allow us to plan for the future and stash some future stars without hindering our ability to field a complete team of major leaguers during the season. The draft will become more important. Prospects will become more valuable. It will be easier to rebuild a non-contending team into a contender over time and give the teams at the bottom of the standings more hope and more fun during the rebuilding process.

The new feature allows up to 5 players to be added to an "NA Roster". This means that any player with a red NA designation after their name could be placed on your team's NA roster. The vast majority of players with an NA designation are minor leaguers, but there are also players who have not signed with a team yet (like Kyle Lohse or Carlos Lee) and players who have been suspended (Like Carlos Ruiz or Yasmani Grandal).

The NA Roster works just like the Disabled List does. All of us are already familiar with how the DL works in our league. To be placed on the DL a player must have the red DL label next to his name. Players on the DL do not count towards your 30-man roster limit. Once a player is activated from the real MLB disabled list he must be removed from your team's DL or else you won't be able to make any roster changes until you do. When you take a player off your DL you must drop a player from your active roster. The NA roster works the same way. Therefore, once one of your minor leaguers gets called up to the big leagues he would have to be added to your normal 30-man roster or you would have to drop him.

Yahoo allows leagues to decide the number of DL slots. Anywhere from 0-5 are possible. In our league we voted to have 4 DL slots.

Yahoo allows leagues to decide the number of NA slots. Anywhere from 0-5 are possible. We have not decided how many NA slots to use. We need to do that now. Right now. We need to decide this ASAP so we can implement this before Opening Day.

My tentative plan is to add 2 NA slots for this season and ramp up to 5 NA slots next season. If the maximum number of NA slots is increased in future seasons we will grow our NA slots to the maximum that is allowed. For dynasty league keeper purposes, any minor league player on your NA list at the end of a season will be a keeper the following spring, but retired, inactive or suspended players cannot be kept on your NA roster during the offseason. So if you want to keep them they will have to be kept as part of your normal 30-man roster. In other words, when we start up a new season you will be able to keep up to 30 major league players and up to 5 minor league players.

The new NA roster would not be opened until after our current draft is over. This will make it fair for everyone.

Are you guys OK with that plan? Would you like to suggest a better plan or a modification to my plan?

Please discuss this new feature here. After a short period of discussion I will decide how to proceed with implementing this cool new feature.

Points to discuss:


How many NA slots to use this year.
How many NA slots to use in future years.
Should we start small and ramp up the size of the NA roster over time? Or go straight to the full 5-man minor league roster now?
Should we limit the NA roster to minor leaguers only? Or should we allow unsigned players and suspended players to be put on the NA roster as well?


I am hoping we can have a quick, friendly discussion and resolve the issue without any arguing or hurt feelings. I think we can.

Share your thoughts!

redsfandan
03-22-2013, 03:15 PM
So, when Ryan Braun is suspended I can put him on a separate roster? Suh weeet

I'm all for using a minor league roster to supplement the main roster. Starting out with 3 NA spots sounds good but so does using the full 5 spots. And, yes using NA spots for suspended players like Grandal makes some sense to me since those situations can complicate team management.

gilpdawg
03-22-2013, 08:46 PM
Selfishly, I think we should go straight to 5 spots, since I have a bunch of minor league guys. :p

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Gallen5862
03-22-2013, 09:02 PM
I like the idea of going straight to 5 NA guys. Any player with NA should be eligible.

AtomicDumpling
03-22-2013, 09:04 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys.

So far it looks like the idea of going straight to 5 NA slots is all the rage. Camisadelgolf replied to me via email and also voted for going strait to 5.

redsfandan
03-22-2013, 09:13 PM
Another question is when? If a majority responds in the affirmative then there's no need to wait for a couple that haven't replied yet or the start of the season.

redsfandan
03-22-2013, 09:16 PM
The new NA roster would not be opened until after our current draft is over. This will make it fair for everyone.
It could still be fair. IF someone hasn't used a pick then they might go before someone that has. Otherwise, I don't see the need to wait.

Will M
03-23-2013, 02:34 AM
I am new to the league but wanted to point something out. We carry 11 hitters & 8 pitchers. Then an 11 man bench. Wow. An 11 man bench. Now folks already have some minor leaguers stashed so lets say folks have a 8-9 man bench plus 2-3 minor leaguers. If they want to hoard minor league talent in a plan to rebuild then it costs them a few more bench spots. Say Mr Basement has 6 minor leaguers then he has to play with a 5 man bench. No problem. A 5 man bench seems fine. Now if everybody has 5 minor league players & an 11 man bench then every prospect under the sun will be kept & every halfway decent major league player will be on someones bench. The waiver wire will be a wasteland. So it will definitely change the nature of the game.

gilpdawg
03-23-2013, 02:45 AM
Selfishly, I think we should go straight to 5 spots, since I have a bunch of minor league guys. :p

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

I have to do this....because when I re-read my post it made me laugh really hard when I thought of it.

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*BaseClogger*
03-23-2013, 03:05 AM
I am new to the league but wanted to point something out. We carry 11 hitters & 8 pitchers. Then an 11 man bench. Wow. An 11 man bench. Now folks already have some minor leaguers stashed so lets say folks have a 8-9 man bench plus 2-3 minor leaguers. If they want to hoard minor league talent in a plan to rebuild then it costs them a few more bench spots. Say Mr Basement has 6 minor leaguers then he has to play with a 5 man bench. No problem. A 5 man bench seems fine. Now if everybody has 5 minor league players & an 11 man bench then every prospect under the sun will be kept & every halfway decent major league player will be on someones bench. The waiver wire will be a wasteland. So it will definitely change the nature of the game.

The entire five man bench would be starting pitchers.

I support decreasing the amount of bench spots by three and increasing the NA spots to five this season...

AtomicDumpling
03-23-2013, 02:25 PM
I am new to the league but wanted to point something out. We carry 11 hitters & 8 pitchers. Then an 11 man bench. Wow. An 11 man bench. Now folks already have some minor leaguers stashed so lets say folks have a 8-9 man bench plus 2-3 minor leaguers. If they want to hoard minor league talent in a plan to rebuild then it costs them a few more bench spots. Say Mr Basement has 6 minor leaguers then he has to play with a 5 man bench. No problem. A 5 man bench seems fine. Now if everybody has 5 minor league players & an 11 man bench then every prospect under the sun will be kept & every halfway decent major league player will be on someones bench. The waiver wire will be a wasteland. So it will definitely change the nature of the game.

You may be the New Kid on the Block but we will let you have an opinion too. Not only will we tolerate the rookie's opinion we will actually listen to it and take it into consideration. We are nice like that, but that is just how we roll. :thumbup:

Personally I like the 11 man bench. It gives you more players to work with to mix and match and manage your team rather than running the same starting lineup every day. In fact I am always wishing I had more roster spots available because there are always free agents I wish I could add to my team.

I think shortening the bench would negate the purpose of adding a minor league roster. It would restrict our options too much. The reason we have wanted to add minor league rosters is to allow teams to plan for the future while also being competitive now. As it is now (without the minor league roster) we are forced to choose whether to compete now or build for the future or try to do a little of both. With the new NA roster we will have more options. We can keep our bench the same and add even more prospects, or we can snag some situational players to use occasionally, or we can hold some major league bench players who we think might become more valuable in the future, or we can hold some extra injured or suspended players, or we can load up with 10-12 prospects in a total rebuilding effort while still being able to field a full starting lineup. You can still choose to hoard minor league players at the expense of your bench slots, only now you can hoard a lot more prospects than you could before.

As has always been the case in a true dynasty league, trades are the best way to improve your team. It is rare to find game-changing players who can step into your lineup right away in the draft or on the waiver wire. You can get prospects and some good players that way, but active stars need to be acquired via trade. You are not going to find too many quick fixes for your roster on the Free Agent list. That is true for the way it is now and will still be true when we add the NA roster.

In my opinion the new minor league roster will help the rebuilding teams more than the teams who are already good.

You know what would be awesome? A 50 man major league roster and a 50 man minor league roster. Yes please!

Will M
03-23-2013, 03:43 PM
I thought about it some more & decided that I would like to see the five "NA roster" spots added right away. If a team goes into total rebuild mode they could stash a whole lot of minor league talent. Teams that are in win now mode could stash some as well but every game counts. I think a lot of leagues are won by using every game played & having a deep SP rotation so you don't have to start your pitchers in bad matchups. You need to use a deep bench to win a league. So the teams trying to win can't "have their cake & eat it too".

Also adding the NA spots seems to fit the dynasty format. Teams have minor league rosters just like major league teams do.

- Brett

mbgrayson
03-23-2013, 10:01 PM
If we start it this year, lets only add two slots.

I fear that having 5 NA slots basically will make it harder for those at the bottom of the standings to build up a good team and become competitive.

Right now, there is a trade off to be made. You can get in 'win now' mode and not hold any minor leaguers, you can hold just a couple prime guys that may be stars, or you can be in rebuild mode and stock up on young guys.

Having NA slots will most benefit those with strong teams. They can STAY in 'win now' mode, and still have an up and coming core of young guys waiting for next year. It will make it harder for those near the bottom of the standing to gain an advantage by re-building over a year or two period.

It seems to me that this is something that should have been implemented at the beginning of the draft (I know, it just became available). That way, we could have built it into the strategy we choose to follow. So the compromise is that we have two this year, and go up to five next year.

But I'll be fine either way.

Mike

redsfandan
03-23-2013, 10:18 PM
I changed my mind about one thing. If we do this I'd rather we NOT go all in. I prefer 3 NA spots very much now. If everyone uses 5 spots it will dilute the available talent alot. And the teams that could benefit the most might be the teams that are constantly scouring the player lists and news. I'd think someone that doesn't have that much time wouldn't be helped as much. 3 spots is a good compromise to give us a chance to just try it out.

*BaseClogger*
03-24-2013, 03:35 AM
Mike made some good points...

nate
03-24-2013, 10:29 AM
I think the rosters are too large already; the waiver wire is dystopian.

*BaseClogger*
03-24-2013, 03:41 PM
I think the rosters are too large already; the waiver wire is dystopian.

Honestly, there's some pretty good players out there because teams horde so many prospects...

AtomicDumpling
03-24-2013, 04:08 PM
Honestly, there's some pretty good players out there because teams horde so many prospects...

There are quite a few good players out there I would love to add to my team. Not enough roster spots!

redsfandan
03-25-2013, 06:39 AM
The entire five man bench would be starting pitchers.

I support decreasing the amount of bench spots by three and increasing the NA spots to five this season...

I'd go for reducing the bench by 2 (back to what it was originally) and adding 3 NA spots.

redsfandan
03-25-2013, 06:48 AM
If we start it this year, lets only add two slots.

I fear that having 5 NA slots basically will make it harder for those at the bottom of the standings to build up a good team and become competitive.

Right now, there is a trade off to be made. You can get in 'win now' mode and not hold any minor leaguers, you can hold just a couple prime guys that may be stars, or you can be in rebuild mode and stock up on young guys.

Having NA slots will most benefit those with strong teams. They can STAY in 'win now' mode, and still have an up and coming core of young guys waiting for next year. It will make it harder for those near the bottom of the standing to gain an advantage by re-building over a year or two period.

It seems to me that this is something that should have been implemented at the beginning of the draft (I know, it just became available). That way, we could have built it into the strategy we choose to follow. So the compromise is that we have two this year, and go up to five next year.

But I'll be fine either way.

Mike

I don't buy that. The priority of teams at the top is to win now, not later. So, teams at the top are more likely to use bench spots for players that help them NOW. This is why I like the idea of decreasing bench spots while adding NA spots. Teams that are rebuilding can use all their bench and NA spots for prospects if they wanted. But, teams at the top just can't afford to do that.

*BaseClogger*
03-25-2013, 07:17 PM
I don't buy that. The priority of teams at the top is to win now, not later. So, teams at the top are more likely to use bench spots for players that help them NOW. This is why I like the idea of decreasing bench spots while adding NA spots. Teams that are rebuilding can use all their bench and NA spots for prospects if they wanted. But, teams at the top just can't afford to do that.

Are there really enough prospects in the Yahoo player universe worthy of this many roster spots though? You gotta figure the best 60 or so will already be taken by the NA spots...

Will M
03-25-2013, 11:42 PM
Are there really enough prospects in the Yahoo player universe worthy of this many roster spots though? You gotta figure the best 60 or so will already be taken by the NA spots...

12 teams x 5 NA spots would end up being the top 60 prospects in the game. lets say yahoo has 80% of the top prospects in their system.
that would take you to the 75th best prospect (60 on NA rosters & 15 not in yahoo). If I am in a rebuild mode I can see rostering more that that. easily. especially when you count the guys who have fallen off the prospect list but could get it together. this happens with pitchers all the time.
or look at post hype sleepers like Domonic Brown who could finally get it together.

redsfandan
03-26-2013, 09:05 AM
Are there really enough prospects in the Yahoo player universe worthy of this many roster spots though? You gotta figure the best 60 or so will already be taken by the NA spots...

Again, I'm not in favor of doing 5 NA spots right away. Adding 3 spots means 36 prospects (or suspended or unsigned players). Take away 2 bench spots and it's a net gain of only 1 spot per team. That wouldn't deplete the available FA list much. Adding 5 NA spots and taking away 3 bench spots is a decrease of 24 fa's available. Adding 5 NA spots without taking away ANY bench spots = 60 FA's gone and there would be a possibility of turning the available FA list into a barren wasteland. I think both you and I agree that wouldn't be good. There could be less add/drops cuz there'd be less to add. By adding 3 NA spots instead of 5 we'd get to just try it out and see how we like it.

Stephenk29
03-26-2013, 10:50 AM
Hey guys,

Sorry I dropped the ball on the draft this year. Been crazy busy with teaching, coaching, grad school and getting married. Checked my alternate email this morning and I had 98 emails about the league. I understand you guys need someone more involved. Unfortunately I can't be that guy this year. Best of luck everyone.

P.S. Sorry to those of you who wanted Cabrera for so long! Had a baseball man crush on him!

AtomicDumpling
03-26-2013, 03:33 PM
Hey guys,

Sorry I dropped the ball on the draft this year. Been crazy busy with teaching, coaching, grad school and getting married. Checked my alternate email this morning and I had 98 emails about the league. I understand you guys need someone more involved. Unfortunately I can't be that guy this year. Best of luck everyone.

P.S. Sorry to those of you who wanted Cabrera for so long! Had a baseball man crush on him!

Sometimes real life gets in the way of fantasy baseball -- especially when there is a new wife involved! We all understand that. No hard feelings. :thumbup:

Congrats on the marriage. And best of luck with the coaching! It is baseball I hope. :beerme:

camisadelgolf
03-26-2013, 03:52 PM
I really don't care. I'm going to dominate no matter what the rules are.

AtomicDumpling
03-26-2013, 04:15 PM
I really don't care. I'm going to dominate no matter what the rules are.

Yeah you will. I want to disagree, but I can't.

AtomicDumpling
03-27-2013, 10:37 PM
Important Note:
Thanks everyone for sharing your opinions regarding the NA roster. I got lots of good feedback. The early results showed a preference for going straight to 5 NA slots this year, but then some folks started having some reticence and stated their desire to start small.

When we made changes to the rules in prior years we only made slow gradual changes. After reading your opinions I have decided to slow down and make only a small change this year. For that reason, we will start with only 2 NA slots this season. I realize some of you want to go straight to the full 5 NA slots, but since we already had our draft and this new roster option was only made available after we had already made our plans it seems best that we start off slow with 2 slots now and ramp it up to 5 slots next year.

So here is the plan:


If you have any remaining draft picks, skipped picks or passed picks you must use them by Midnight Thursday night / Friday morning. Any picks left unused by Midnight Thursday will expire and be lost. Once the draft is over do not add any free agents.

I will enable the NA roster after Midnight Thursday night / Friday morning. At that time you may begin transferring players from your active roster to your new NA roster.

We will have a two-round Supplemental Draft starting at Noon on Friday March 29th. It will work the same as our yearly slow draft except we will use 8 hour timers per pick. The draft order will be the reverse of last year's standings to give the rebuilding teams a little extra boost.

You can still keep minor leaguers on your active roster if you like. Many teams will want to keep more prospects in addition to the ones on their NA roster.

Any player with an NA label can be put on the NA roster even if they are not minor leaguers.

During this Supplemental Draft you can select your choice of either NA-eligible players or major league players if you have opened a roster spot by transferring another player who was already on your active roster to the NA roster.

Since everyone will have two fresh NA roster slots we will not need to drop a player to make your supplemental draft pick. (see exception below*)


*One important consideration, if you draft a minor league player for your NA roster you will need to first add him to your active roster before transferring him to the NA roster. If you do not have an open active roster slot you won't be able to pick up the drafted player without temporarily dropping someone first. You can temporarily drop the player without losing him. In this situation make sure to state in the message when you post your pick that the player you dropped needs to go back on your team. I will then take the player off waivers and add him back to your team.

I realize this Supplemental Draft may not be finished before Opening Day. It might be a minor annoyance, but it is not a major issue. The players you are drafting in the Supplemental Draft are not likely to be worthy of your starting lineup right now anyway. If the draft runs a couple days over into the season it will be OK.

2013 Supplemental Draft Order:
s1.1 GAllen5862
s1.2 Will M
s1.3 Nate
s1.4 CRF2000
s1.5 Gilpdawg
s1.6 RedsManRick
s1.7 The BaseCloggers
s1.8 Camisadelgolf is #1
s1.9 TRF's Debacle
s1.1 mbgrayson
s1.11 Atomic Dumpling
s1.12 Redsfandan

s2.1 GAllen5862
s2.2 Will M
s2.3 Nate
s2.4 CRF2000
s2.5 Gilpdawg
s2.6 RedsManRick
s2.7 The BaseCloggers
s2.8 Camisadelgolf is #1
s2.9 TRF's Debacle
s2.1 mbgrayson
s2.11 Atomic Dumpling
s2.12 Redsfandan

AtomicDumpling
03-29-2013, 12:06 AM
2013 DRAFT RESULTS
1.1 redsfandan --- Oscar Taveras
1.2 camisadelgolf is #1 --- Christian Yelich
1.3 nate --- Dayan Viciedo
1.4 CRF2000 --- Jackie Bradley
1.5 gilpdawg --- Xander Bogaerts
1.6 RedsManRick --- Taijuan Walker
1.7 The Basecloggers --- Jose Fernandez
1.8 redsfandan --- Jason Grilli
1.9 TRF's debacle --- Bruce Rondon
1.10 mbgrayson --- Adam Eaton
1.11 Atomic Dumpling --- Domonic Brown
1.12 GAllen5862 --- Brandon McCarthy

2.1 Will M --- Mike Zunino
2.2 mbgrayson --- Alexi Ogando
2.3 redsfandan --- Jedd Gyorko
2.4 CRF2000 --- Russell Martin
2.5 Atomic Dumpling --- Sergio Santos
2.6 RedsManRick --- Aaron Hicks
2.7 The Basecloggers --- Trevor Rosenthal
2.8 gilpdawg --- Jorge Soler
2.9 TRF's debacle --- Jose Veras
2.10 mbgrayson --- Hyun-Jin Ryu
2.11 gilpdawg --- Chris Archer
2.12 gilpdawg --- Pass

3.1 redsfandan --- Yasiel Puig
3.2 Will M --- Kyuji Fujikawa
3.3 nate --- Hisashi Iwakuma
3.4 CRF2000 --- Edinson Volquez
3.5 gilpdawg --- Skipped
3.6 RedsManRick --- Brandon Moss
3.7 The Basecloggers --- Pass
3.8 nate --- Chad Billingsley
3.9 TRF's debacle --- Nick Hundley
3.10 mbgrayson --- Pass
3.11 Atomic Dumpling --- Mitchell Boggs
3.12 GAllen5862 --- Michael Pineda

4.1 GAllen5862 --- Chris Carter
4.2 Will M --- Jean Segura
4.3 nate --- Matt Carpenter
4.4 CRF2000 --- Jonathan Broxton
4.5 Atomic Dumpling --- Pass
4.6 RedsManRick --- Joaquin Benoit
4.7 The Basecloggers --- Pass
4.8 Will M --- Leonys Martin
4.9 TRF's debacle --- Pass
4.10 mbgrayson --- Drew Stubbs
4.11 Atomic Dumpling --- Pass
4.12 redsfandan --- Pass

5.1 GAllen5862 --- Dee Gordon
5.2 Will M --- Mike Olt
5.3 nate --- Cody Ross
5.4 CRF2000 --- Pass
5.5 GAllen5862 --- Rick Porcello
5.6 RedsManRick --- Lonnie Chisenhall
5.7 The Basecloggers --- Pass
5.8 camisadelgolf is #1 --- Pass
5.9 TRF's debacle --- Pass
5.10 camisadelgolf is #1 --- Pass
5.11 camisadelgolf is #1 --- Pass
5.12 camisadelgolf is #1 --- Pass

It took us 14 days to get through 5 rounds this year. It was ssssssllllllllllooooooooooooooooowwwwwww.

AtomicDumpling
03-29-2013, 12:14 AM
I have activated the NA roster with 2 slots.

The Supplemental Draft begins at Noon Friday. The timer will be 8 hours per pick.

2013 Supplemental Draft Order:

s1.1 GAllen5862
s1.2 Will M
s1.3 Nate
s1.4 CRF2000
s1.5 Gilpdawg
s1.6 RedsManRick
s1.7 The BaseCloggers
s1.8 Camisadelgolf is #1
s1.9 TRF's Debacle
s1.1 mbgrayson
s1.11 Atomic Dumpling
s1.12 Redsfandan

s2.1 GAllen5862
s2.2 Will M
s2.3 Nate
s2.4 CRF2000
s2.5 Gilpdawg
s2.6 RedsManRick
s2.7 The BaseCloggers
s2.8 Camisadelgolf is #1
s2.9 TRF's Debacle
s2.1 mbgrayson
s2.11 Atomic Dumpling
s2.12 Redsfandan

GAllen5862 you can go ahead with your pick. Your 8 hour timer starts at Noon today.

AtomicDumpling
04-03-2013, 02:43 AM
2013 Supplemental Draft Results:

s1.1 GAllen5862 --- Jose Valverde
s1.2 Will M --- Andrew Cashner
s1.3 Nate --- Kolten Wong
s1.4 CRF2000 --- Koji Uehara
s1.5 Gilpdawg --- Colby Rasmus
s1.6 RedsManRick --- Andy Pettitte
s1.7 The BaseCloggers --- Al Alburquerque
s1.8 Camisadelgolf is #1 --- Michael Wacha
s1.9 TRF's Debacle --- Pass
s1.10 mbgrayson --- Tommy Hanson
s1.11 Atomic Dumpling --- Kevin Gausman
s1.12 Redsfandan --- Daniel Hudson

s2.1 GAllen5862 ---Jemile Weeks
s2.2 Will M --- David Hernandez
s2.3 Nate --- Chris Parmalee
s2.4 CRF2000 --- Pass
s2.5 Gilpdawg --- Dan Straily
s2.6 RedsManRick --- Justin Smoak
s2.7 The BaseCloggers --- Pass
s2.8 Camisadelgolf is #1 --- Alberto Callaspo
s2.9 TRF's Debacle --- Pass
s2.10 mbgrayson --- Chris Young
s2.11 Atomic Dumpling --- Phil Coke
s2.12 Redsfandan --- Matt Joyce

redsfandan
10-06-2013, 05:25 PM
I'm giving up my team. Winning the league 3 years in a row really takes a lot out of ya.

Some people prefer to take over teams they can rebuild so they can have it the way they want it. For everyone else this is the team that's available. There are enough good players, enough depth, and good 2014 draft picks that it should make things a little easier for my replacement. So, whoever takes over the team won't have to win the league title. Instead they'll just have to make sure they don't lose it.

Atomic Dumpling is the commissioner in this league if you're interested (and want to know who to bribe).

AD, thanks for letting me join the league 5 years ago. And for letting me take the crown from you and keep it. ;)


C Yadier Molina
1B Prince Fielder
2B Ian Kinsler
3B Evan Longoria
SS Jose Reyes
IF Hanley Ramirez
OF Ryan Braun
OF Carlos Gonzalez
OF Justin Upton
Util Chris Davis
Util Manny Machado

Bench
C Carlos Santana
C Evan Gattis
2B Jason Kipnis
SS Starlin Castro
OF Josh Hamilton
OF Adam Eaton

SP
Clayton Kershaw
Felix Hernandez
David Price
Cole Hamels
Mat Latos
Justin Verlander
Francisco Liriano
Johnny Cueto
Martin Perez

RP
Joe Nathan
Glen Perkins
Jason Grilli
Ernesto Frieri
Brian Wilson
Jason Motte
Francisco Rodriguez

2014 Draft Picks
1.2 (from GAllen5862)
1.3 (from CRF2000)
2.6 (from TRF)
2.12
4.12

camisadelgolf
01-16-2014, 01:17 PM
We're bumping it up to five NA slots this year, right? Also, do we need to start thinking about replacing any teams?

AtomicDumpling
01-16-2014, 04:03 PM
We're bumping it up to five NA slots this year, right? Also, do we need to start thinking about replacing any teams?

Correct, it will be 5 NA slots this year.

We will likely have to replace redsfandan because he expressed a desire to drop out after winning the championship. Unless the long winter has fostered a renewed desire to keep playing we will need to find a new owner for his team.

I don't know about you guys but I have had enough of a break and am ready to get started again. :thumbup:

camisadelgolf
01-22-2014, 01:56 AM
How's the draft order looking?

TRF
01-22-2014, 01:17 PM
Correct, it will be 5 NA slots this year.

We will likely have to replace redsfandan because he expressed a desire to drop out after winning the championship. Unless the long winter has fostered a renewed desire to keep playing we will need to find a new owner for his team.

I don't know about you guys but I have had enough of a break and am ready to get started again. :thumbup:

That team is set to dominate again. I see no reason to just hand a championship to the new guy.

If Dan doesn't want to play... ok release his players into the wild. :)

AtomicDumpling
01-22-2014, 04:14 PM
That team is set to dominate again. I see no reason to just hand a championship to the new guy.

If Dan doesn't want to play... ok release his players into the wild. :)

Or maybe we can find a really dumb guy to take over the team and run it into the ground. Any nominations? :lol:

Walt Jocketty maybe? I'm kidding. I think. Jim Bowden?

AtomicDumpling
01-22-2014, 04:28 PM
How's the draft order looking?

The draft order will be:

1. nate
2. GAllen5862
3. CRF2000
4. Gilpdawg
5. RedsManRick
6. TRF's debacle
7. The Basecloggers
8. mbgrayson
9. camisadelgolf is #4
10. Atomic Dumpling
11. Will M
12. redsfandan


That is the reverse of last year's standings. I have not plotted out the full 5 round draft, which will have some traded draft picks included. So above is the generic order but there will be a few changes in some rounds due to trades. I should probably go ahead and figure out the complete order.

Think we should add a round or two because of the extra NA slots this year? Maybe Yahoo will add real minor league rosters this season.

camisadelgolf
01-22-2014, 05:25 PM
We did a supplementary draft last year. I'd be okay with that again or a longer draft.

camisadelgolf
01-22-2014, 05:53 PM
1st Round
1. nate
2. redsfandan (GAllen5862)
3. redsfandan (CRF2000)
4. gilpdawg
5. RedsManRick
6. TRF's debacle
7. *BaseCloggers*
8. mbgrayson
9. GAllen5862 (camisadelgolf is #4)
10. Atomic Dumpling
11. Will M
12. GAllen5862 (redsfandan)

2nd Round
1. nate
2. Atomic Dumpling (GAllen5862)
3. *BaseCloggers* (CRF2000)
4. gilpdawg
5. RedsManRick
6. redsfandan ( TRF's debacle)
7. *BaseCloggers*
8. mbgrayson
9. camisadelgolf is #4
10. nate (Atomic Dumpling)
11. Will M
12. redsfandan

3rd Round
1. Atomic Dumpling (nate)
2. camisadelgolf is #4 (GAllen5852)
3. CRF2000
4. gilpdawg
5. RedsManRick
6. TRF's debacle
7. CRF2000 (*BaseCloggers*)
8. mbgrayson
9. camisadelgolf is #4
10. Atomic Dumpling
11. Will M
12. TRF's debacle ( redsfandan)

4th Round
no changes from original order

5th Round
The 10th pick belongs to GAllen5862 from Atomic Dumpling.

AtomicDumpling
01-22-2014, 06:33 PM
1st Round
1. nate
2. redsfandan (GAllen5862)
3. redsfandan (CRF2000)
4. gilpdawg
5. RedsManRick
6. TRF's debacle
7. *BaseCloggers*
8. mbgrayson
9. GAllen5862 (camisadelgolf is #4)
10. Atomic Dumpling
11. Will M
12. GAllen5862 (redsfandan)

2nd Round
1. nate
2. Atomic Dumpling (GAllen5862)
3. *BaseCloggers* (CRF2000)
4. gilpdawg
5. RedsManRick
6. redsfandan ( TRF's debacle)
7. *BaseCloggers*
8. mbgrayson
9. camisadelgolf is #4
10. nate (Atomic Dumpling)
11. Will M
12. redsfandan

3rd Round
1. Atomic Dumpling (nate)
2. camisadelgolf is #4 (GAllen5852)
3. CRF2000
4. gilpdawg
5. RedsManRick
6. TRF's debacle
7. CRF2000 (*BaseCloggers*)
8. mbgrayson
9. camisadelgolf is #4
10. Atomic Dumpling
11. Will M
12. TRF's debacle ( redsfandan)

4th Round
no changes from original order

5th Round
The 10th pick belongs to GAllen5862 from Atomic Dumpling.

That looks correct to me. Thanks for putting it together!

camisadelgolf
01-24-2014, 12:45 PM
Dan said he can't find his password but wants everyone to know that he will be back this year to defend his title. And I'm not sure I read the email right, but I believe he also said he wants to forfeit his draft picks.

AtomicDumpling
01-24-2014, 01:44 PM
Yep, Dan says he's coming back to relinquish his title to me in person.

AtomicDumpling
01-24-2014, 01:45 PM
I created a new thread for the new season of the Redszone Dynasty League. Let's continue our discussion there. I will be posting a bunch of cool info there today.