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AtomicDumpling
01-27-2013, 11:17 PM
Time to crank this league back into action for another fun season of fantasy baseball. We had a great year last year. The race was tight almost right up to the end. It was a four team race well into September, but then Plus Plus pulled away and won the championship in his rookie season in the league. Congrats Plus Plus!

The rest of us need to boost up our teams and make sure we give Plus Plus a stronger challenge this year. We can't let the new guy win twice in a row can we?

Yahoo fantasy baseball is likely going to open on Tuesday February 5th. I will fire up the league on that date. Each of you should receive an email from Yahoo asking you to register and claim your team, so be sure to check the email account you used to sign up last year.

Once everyone gets registered for the league I will be able to add all our players to our rosters. I will need to know which 30 players you want to keep. You might have had more than 30 players at the end of the season if you had players on the Disabled List. I will be sending you PMs here on Redszone soon. In the PM will be your full roster, so just tell me which guys you want to cut to get down to 30 players. I will need your reply ASAP.

I am planning a series of posts in this thread to share a lot of cool information about the history of our league, so check back often and share your thoughts and observations. If we can get lots of discussion going in this thread throughout the season it will make the league even more fun.

To make sure you don't miss anything, please subscribe to this thread by clicking on "Thread Tools" at the top of this post, then click on "Subscribe to this Thread", then select "Instant Notification by Email" from the dropdown box.

Good luck with your teams this year!

AtomicDumpling
01-27-2013, 11:27 PM
I went back in the league history and entered all the stats from prior seasons into a spreadsheet. I thought it might be interesting to play with some of the numbers and see what I could come up with. I will post some stuff over the next few days. Feel free to add anything you can find.

Here are the single-season league records for each category:



Category Record Team Season
Runs 1026 Atomic Dumpling 2011
Home Runs 282 Atomic Dumpling 2010
RBIs 1058 Atomic Dumpling 2012
Stolen Bases 232 HumnHilghtFreel 2010
Batting Average 0.285 Captain Hook 2012
Wins 96 Vada Pinson Fan 2010
Saves 177 Atomic Dumpling 2010
Strikeouts 1313 Crosley68 2012
ERA 3.08 Iowa Red 2011
WHIP 1.12 Bumstead 2011
Total Points 99.5 Iowa Red 2011

How many of these records will fall this year? Which ones are going to be hard to beat?

I think that stolen base record is very high. It is much higher than the record in the other league (the Redszone Dynasty League, which uses the same rules as this league. The second best stolen base total in this league's history is 174. The fewest bases stolen by a team was 75.

For those of you reading this thread who are not in this league, our league is a 5x5 roto dynasty league. Feel free to comment!

reds1869
01-28-2013, 06:24 AM
Looking forward to another fun year. Hopefully I can move above the middle of the pack this season, but that would require not losing all my players to injury. :)

AtomicDumpling
01-28-2013, 03:18 PM
Looking forward to another fun year. Hopefully I can move above the middle of the pack this season, but that would require not losing all my players to injury. :)

Yeah it is pretty hard to compete if you get nailed by injuries. It seemed like more star players got hurt last year than in most years.

Joseph
01-28-2013, 05:28 PM
I love the dynasty concept so much more than a yearly draft league [even though I'm equally bad at both]. I'm very eager to get things started and make some trades to improve my team this season.

AtomicDumpling
01-28-2013, 08:20 PM
I love the dynasty concept so much more than a yearly draft league [even though I'm equally bad at both]. I'm very eager to get things started and make some trades to improve my team this season.

I agree. The dynasty format adds whole new levels of strategy and depth.

AtomicDumpling
01-28-2013, 10:44 PM
All-Time Standings (Points Method)


Team 2010 2011 2012 Total AVG Rank
Atomic Dumpling 93.5 92.0 86.0 271.5 90.5 1
Plus Plus 67.5 99.5 96.0 263.0 87.7 2
HayPay 64.5 74.5 91.0 230.0 76.7 3
Bumstead 81.5 75.5 56.0 213.0 71.0 4
Captain Hook 57.5 87.5 63.0 208.0 69.3 5
reds1869 73.0 68.0 66.5 207.5 69.2 6
Crosley68 85.5 55.5 56.0 197.0 65.7 7
Tornon 66.5 66.0 57.0 189.5 63.2 8
mbgrayson 40.5 53.0 90.0 183.5 61.2 9
Vada Pinson Fan 79.0 27.0 68.5 174.5 58.2 10
thatcoolguy_22 42.5 44.0 24.0 110.5 36.8 11
Joseph 28.5 37.5 26.0 92.0 30.7 12


Ownership changes:

Plus Plus took over IowaRed's team for the 2012 season and won the championship in his first year.
Crosley68 took over Brutus the Pimp's team for the 2012 season.
mbgrayson took over a team originally owned by HumnHilghtFreel, who ran the team in 2010. The team was adopted by Redsfan320 for the 2011 season, but he abandoned the team in the middle of the season. Mbgrayson took charge in mid-2011 and the team has been kicking butt ever since.


Observations on the Rankings:

Atomic Dumpling is still holding a slim lead in the All-Time Standings despite finishing 2nd and 4th the last two years.
Plus Plus's team has won the last two championships and is making a strong threat to take over the top slot in these rankings next year.
HayPay has improved his team each year and finished in 2nd place in 2012. His team is on the upswing.
Mbgrayson took over a bad team but has turned it into a contender already.



Biggest Turnaround Seasons:

Vada Pinson Fan gained 41.5 points between 2011 and 2012. He finished last in 2011 but got up to 5th in 2012 for a sensational turnaround.
mbgrayson went from 53 to 90 points, a 37 point increase, between 2011 and 2012 after taking over the team in the middle of the 2011 season.
IowaRed (Plus Plus' team now) gained 32 points from 2010 to 2011 and won the championship that season after finishing 6th the year before.
Captain Hook made a 30 point jump from 2010 to 2011 and finished 3rd.


This goes to show that it is possible to turn around a struggling team quite quickly if you make the right moves and your team stays healthy.

Later I will post a different form of all-time standings. In that chart I will add up all the individual stat categories and rank each team in each stat, then total up all the ranks to see who prevails using that method. Will it turn out differently than this chart? Stay tuned to find out...

AtomicDumpling
01-29-2013, 02:06 AM
All-Time Standings (5x5 Category Totals Method)

Runs Runs HRs HRs RBI RBI SBs SBs AVG AVG Wins Wins Saves Saves Strikeouts ERA ERA WHIP WHIP
Team Rank Score Total Points Total Points Total Points Total Points AVG Points Total Points Total Points Total Points AVG Points AVG Points
Atomic Dumpling 1 95.5 3026 12 824 12 3115 12 415 9 0.277 11.5 247 7 425 12 3637 9 3.66 5 1.23 6
Plus Plus 2 95.0 2706 10 716 10 2709 11 485 11 0.272 9 239 4 391 11 3700 10 3.53 8 1.18 11
HayPay 3 86.0 2700 9 642 7 2607 9 395 7 0.269 5 253 9 298 7 3824 12 3.33 11 1.20 10
Captain Hook 4 77.0 2655 7 689 8 2642 10 366 4 0.275 10 260 11 181 4 3341 4 3.34 10 1.21 9
Bumstead 5 72.5 2602 4 590 2 2419 4 376 6 0.270 7.5 268 12 209 6 3571 7 3.31 12 1.18 12
Crosley68 6 70.5 2641 5 732 11 2543 5.5 408 8 0.269 6 255 10 173 2 3733 11 3.65 7 1.26 5
reds1869 7 67.5 2764 11 620 3 2571 7 343 2 0.277 11.5 246 6 305 8 3499 6 3.66 6 1.23 7
Tornon 8 60.5 2686 8 699 9 2543 5.5 454 10 0.262 1 244 5 362 10 3449 5 3.75 4 1.28 3
mbgrayson 9 56.5 2506 2 509 1 2289 1 546 12 0.270 7.5 238 3 192 5 3633 8 3.48 9 1.22 8
Vada Pinson Fan 10 52.0 2650 6 638 6 2585 8 296 1 0.268 4 252 8 333 9 3316 3 3.78 3 1.27 4
thatcoolguy_22 11 29.0 2538 3 634 5 2316 2 371 5 0.263 3 229 2 176 3 3304 2 3.98 2 1.30 2
Joseph 12 18.0 2457 1 629 4 2411 3 344 3 0.263 2 226 1 169 1 2919 1 4.06 1 1.34 1


This is what the All-Time Standings would look like if all four seasons of our league were combined into one long season. So instead of totaling up 162 games of stats to see who has the most fantasy points, I took all 648 (162x4) games worth and added them up to see how the standings would shake out.


Observations:
There were not too many changes from the points method in the previous post.
Captain Hook and Bumstead swapped spots from 4th to 5th.
Crosley68 and Reds 1869 swapped spots from 6th to 7th.
All the other positions stayed the same. This is different compared to what happened in the twin Redszone Dynasty League.
Atomic Dumpling (me) pulled out a very narrow half-point lead over Plus Plus.
Most of the categories are close and should see significant swings in points next season and in subsequent seasons.
After three years nobody is running away with this league.

One bad year can really wreak havoc on your ranking in this league, but on the other hand one really great year can shoot you up this list quickly. It will be interesting to see how things shift as the years go by.

You can use this chart to see where your team is lacking and maybe help you identify a weakness in your strategy or an area where you can improve your team.

One thing I think is neat about these All-Time Standings is they can give teams who may be out of the running for a championship late in the year an additional motivational factor. Maybe a team can't win a league title this year but they can still gain ground in the All-Time Standings. From now on we not only fight for yearly championships, but we also fight to be the All-Time Champ. These standings may not mean that much now after only three seasons, but a few more years down the road it would be pretty cool to be the All-Time Leader after a decade-long run.

Which method of calculating the all-time standings do you think is best -- the points method or the 5x5 Category method?

thatcoolguy_22
01-29-2013, 10:21 AM
My team is terrible. Think it would be too much to post a spreadsheet of the teams in the league?

AtomicDumpling
01-29-2013, 06:49 PM
My team is terrible. Think it would be too much to post a spreadsheet of the teams in the league?

Do you mean a spreadsheet of all the team rosters? I can do that. You can also see all the rosters by going to the league website. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/mlb/2012/6349

I looked at your team and I don't think it is that bad. You had a lot of key injuries last year to guys like Evan Longoria, Brian McCann, Will Middlebrooks and Pablo Sandoval who all missed a lot of games, and CJ Wilson played hurt. You have some of the best prospects in baseball like Wil Myers and Dylan Bundy. So while you had a bad season last year there is plenty of reason to expect things to improve a lot soon.

thatcoolguy_22
01-30-2013, 11:55 AM
Do you mean a spreadsheet of all the team rosters? I can do that. You can also see all the rosters by going to the league website. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/mlb/2012/6349

I looked at your team and I don't think it is that bad. You had a lot of key injuries last year to guys like Evan Longoria, Brian McCann, Will Middlebrooks and Pablo Sandoval who all missed a lot of games, and CJ Wilson played hurt. You have some of the best prospects in baseball like Wil Myers and Dylan Bundy. So while you had a bad season last year there is plenty of reason to expect things to improve a lot soon.

Ha! I always think things will improve. I'm really just ready for the season to start.

Joseph
01-30-2013, 08:43 PM
All I see is that I need to jettison everyone.

AtomicDumpling
02-02-2013, 01:45 AM
I compared our current rosters with the original draft list to see which players from our inaugural draft in 2010 are still with the team that drafted them:

14 -- Plus Plus: BJ Upton, Carlos Gonzalez, Carlos Quentin, Chase Headley, Chris Perez, Dustin Ackley, Jose Valverde, Justin Morneau, Matt Cain, Matt Garza, Matt Kemp, Matt Wieters, Miguel Cabrera, Shaun Marcum

10 -- Crosley68: Albert Pujols, Alexei Ramirez, Carl Crawford, Curtis Granderson, Ian Kennedy, Mike Napoli, Nelson Cruz, Paul Konerko, Ryan Zimmerman, Yovani Gallardo

9 -- Bumstead: Andre Ethier, Corey Hart, David Price, Delmon Young, Josh Johnson, Justin Upton, Martin Prado, Miguel Montero, Troy Tulowitzki

9 -- Captain Hook: Cliff Lee, Dustin Pedroia, Jayson Werth, Jeremy Hellickson, Joakim, Johnny Cueto, Jose Reyes, Mark Teixeira, Torii Hunter

8 -- mbgrayson: Aaron Hill, Austin Jackson, Chris Carpenter, David Freese, Joe Nathan, Max Scherzer, Shin-Soo Choo, Zack Greinke

7 -- Joseph: Brandon Morrow, Gordon Beckham, Jacoby Ellsbury, Giancarlo Stanton, Pedro Alvarez, Ricky Romero, Yunel Escobar

7 -- reds1869: Aramis Ramirez, Derek Holland, Elvis Andrus, Jesus Montero, Madison Bumgarner, Mariano Rivera, Robinson Cano

7 -- thatcoolguy_22: Anibal Sanchez, Brian McCann, Cameron Maybin, Denard Span, Evan Longoria, Homer Bailey, Tommy Hanson

7 -- Vada Pinson Fan: Adam Wainwright, Aroldis Chapman, Ben Zobrist, Brian Wilson, Chase Utley, Derek Jeter, Tim Hudson

6 -- Tornon: Adam Dunn, Alex Rios, Buster Posey, Hanley Ramirez, Jered Weaver, Nick Markakis

6 -- Atomic Dumpling: Dan Uggla, Jimmy Rollins, Johan Santana, Ryan Braun, Shane Victorino, Ted Lilly

0 -- HayPay:

That means 90 out of the 360 players selected in the 2010 draft are still with the team that drafted them. That is exactly 25%. Much higher than I expected it would be after three full seasons.

How many will still be left this time next year? How many years will it take for all of the original draftees to depart from their original teams?

Some of these guys might have been dropped or traded, then reacquired rather than having been on the team without interruption ever since the draft. Guys like Billy Butler, Ryan Howard and Huston Street are with their original teams but were traded back and forth over the years.

During the 2nd round of the draft David Wright (pick 2.6 by HayPay) was traded for Alex Rodriguez (pick 2.7 by Atomic Dumpling) immediately after that pick was made. We changed our minds. Ever since that moment David Wright has remained with Atomic Dumpling's team, but I did not put him on the list above because he technically was not drafted by his current team.

HayPay has been doing some wheeling and dealing. He doesn't have any of his original draftees left. Everyone else has at least 6. HayPay's team finished 8th in 2010, then 5th in 2011, then 2nd in 2012. So it appears all those transactions have steadily improved his team because the team he has now is much better than the team he drafted.

There are a surprising number of very late picks still remaining with their original teams. Derek Holland was the 358th pick out of 360 and is the lowest draftee still with his original team. Also taken in the last few rounds were #340 Anibal Sanchez, #332 Brandon Morrow, #328 Joe Nathan, #327 Shaun Marcum, #314 Ian Kennedy and #303 Chris Perez. That is a steal if you can get a good keeper at the end of the draft.

mbgrayson's team was drafted by HumnHilghtFreel, Plus Plus' team was drafted by IowaRed and Crosley68's team was drafted by Brutus the Pimp.

Here are some late-round gems from the 2010 draft:

15th round: Buster Posey, Madison Bumgarner, Johnny Cueto
17th round: Giancarlo Stanton
21st round: Chase Headley, Yadier Molina
22nd round: Carlos Santana, Adrian Beltre, David Ortiz, Mat Latos
24th round: Jeremy Hellickson, Hiroki Kuroda
26th round: Melky Cabrera
27th round: Ian Kennedy
28th round: Brandon Morrow
30th round: Jordan Zimmerman

Tornon
02-02-2013, 01:03 PM
That's kinda cool to see. I've gone back through the draft thread a couple times just to see old names & realize how much better I've gotten at fantasy since then :P

Bumstead
02-04-2013, 02:00 PM
Well...looking at the All-Time standings, I clearly built my team on pitching as the 49 points in those categories show (tied with HayPay for the highest pitching total). Unfortunately, I have never been able to add enough true power hitters to my team to make my team a true threat to actually winning this league. I traded a few of my stud pitchers last year for good hitting "prospects," so we shall see what happens in that avenue. To me, it still appears that I have one of the better pitching staffs but my hitting is still not strong enough to really be a threat.

I haven't been all that active, other than a couple of weeks last year when I made a few trades, but nevertheless it has been annoying for some of my hitters to have not produced at the levels I would have expected at this point in their careers. Maybe a year with Tulo not being injured would help...

Bum

Bumstead
02-04-2013, 02:01 PM
As to Derek Holland, I would say he is BACK with his original team, as I picked him up off the scrap heap and had him on my roster for probably half of the 3 seasons.

Bum

AtomicDumpling
02-04-2013, 03:48 PM
As to Derek Holland, I would say he is BACK with his original team, as I picked him up off the scrap heap and had him on my roster for probably half of the 3 seasons.

Bum

Confirmed. Holland is back with his original team (reds1869) but has been dropped and picked up a few times over the years.

AtomicDumpling
02-04-2013, 04:03 PM
Well...looking at the All-Time standings, I clearly built my team on pitching as the 49 points in those categories show (tied with HayPay for the highest pitching total). Unfortunately, I have never been able to add enough true power hitters to my team to make my team a true threat to actually winning this league. I traded a few of my stud pitchers last year for good hitting "prospects," so we shall see what happens in that avenue. To me, it still appears that I have one of the better pitching staffs but my hitting is still not strong enough to really be a threat.

I haven't been all that active, other than a couple of weeks last year when I made a few trades, but nevertheless it has been annoying for some of my hitters to have not produced at the levels I would have expected at this point in their careers. Maybe a year with Tulo not being injured would help...

Bum

Looks like you are the all-time leader in Wins, ERA and WHIP. Pretty impressive pitching staff bro. Your team is kind of the polar opposite of mine since those are my three weakest categories.

Joseph
02-06-2013, 08:43 PM
So whats next Atomic?

AtomicDumpling
02-06-2013, 08:55 PM
So whats next Atomic?

Yahoo should be opening up the fantasy baseball site any day now. It is usually the Tuesday after the Super Bowl, which was yesterday. Hopefully it will be this week. Maybe five minutes from now...

Once the site opens I will launch the league and we can get started with trades and draft preparation.

I wonder if they will add any new features this year?

Tornon
02-06-2013, 10:31 PM
Would anyone happen to have any interest in Tony Cingrani?

thatcoolguy_22
02-07-2013, 08:29 AM
I'm interested

Vada Pinson Fan
02-08-2013, 08:44 PM
Great stuff Mr. Commissioner! Throughly enjoyed all the stats until I saw (was reminded of) my team's injury-riddled 27.0 2011 season. OMG that was a long, long season for this team owner, lol. But last year I made a respectable comback from last place in that 2011 season to 5th place last year with 68.5 points but still not to the 79 points of 2010. Watch out for Team Vada Pinson Fan this year guys. ;)

Being Commissioner of two baseball fantasy leagues again this year and involved in a total of four, my posts here will be few and likely far between if inded anymore at all.

Best Wishes Everyone,
Jerry

thatcoolguy_22
02-10-2013, 06:04 PM
Pablo Sandoval on the block for SP or a package. Let me know if interested

AtomicDumpling
02-11-2013, 05:42 AM
Rosters are finalized and you can now set your lineups, propose trades and begin planning for the draft. I also determined the draft order and posted it on the league website. I guess I can post it here as well:


1.1 thatcoolguy_22 2.1 thatcoolguy_22 3.1 thatcoolguy_22 4.1 thatcoolguy_22 5.1 thatcoolguy_22
1.2 Joseph 2.2 Tornon 3.2 Joseph 4.2 Joseph 5.2 Joseph
1.3 Crosley68 2.3 Crosley68 3.3 Crosley68 4.3 Crosley68 5.3 Crosley68
1.4 Bumstead 2.4 Bumstead 3.4 Bumstead 4.4 Bumstead 5.4 Bumstead
1.5 Joseph 2.5 Tornon 3.5 Tornon 4.5 Tornon 5.5 Tornon
1.6 Captain Hook 2.6 Captain Hook 3.6 Captain Hook 4.6 Captain Hook 5.6 Captain Hook
1.7 reds1869 2.7 reds1869 3.7 reds1869 4.7 reds1869 5.7 reds1869
1.8 Vada Pinson Fan 2.8 Vada Pinson Fan 3.8 Vada Pinson Fan 4.8 Vada Pinson Fan 5.8 Vada Pinson Fan
1.9 Atomic Dumpling 2.9 Atomic Dumpling 3.9 Atomic Dumpling 4.9 Atomic Dumpling 5.9 Atomic Dumpling
1.10 HayPay 2.10 mbgrayson 3.10 mbgrayson 4.10 mbgrayson 5.10 mbgrayson
1.11 HayPay 2.11 HayPay 3.11 mbgrayson 4.11 HayPay 5.11 HayPay
1.12 Plus Plus 2.12 Plus Plus 3.12 Plus Plus 4.12 Plus Plus 5.12 Plus Plus


IMPORTANT NOTE:
We can trade draft picks for the upcoming 2013 draft, but we can't use the Yahoo trading system for doing so. If you would like to include an exchange of 2013 draft picks in a trade please do so using the Comments area of the trade proposal and notify me when the trade is complete so I can change the 2013 draft order. Any traded draft pick using the checkmark system in the trade proposal application will be considered a trade of 2014 draft picks. The checkmark system in the trade application shows that every team has a pick in every round, but due to traded picks that is certainly not the case for the 2013 draft. So if you forget and include 2013 draft picks in your trade proposals you are likely to end up trading picks that don't exist. Please consult the official 2013 draft order posted here and in the Commissioner's Note for use in all trades.

I have not chosen a specific date to start the draft yet, but it will be near March 10th. Each team will have a 10 hour time limit to post their pick.

reds1869
02-11-2013, 08:29 AM
The rosters seem to have disappeared on the league website.

thatcoolguy_22
02-11-2013, 10:55 AM
Oscar Taveras not in the Yahoo player pool, so is he not draftable? He could possibly open the season as their starting CF, while other guys are already on rosters that are on the fast track for just a september call up in 2013. Anything we can do in this situation?

Tornon
02-11-2013, 12:27 PM
Oscar Taveras not in the Yahoo player pool, so is he not draftable? He could possibly open the season as their starting CF, while other guys are already on rosters that are on the fast track for just a september call up in 2013. Anything we can do in this situation?

Many of the new top prospects are missing from the player pool. I saw on another forum that the Yahoo people have asked their service provider to add a list of them, but I don't know if that will be successful or not. If not, it kinda sucks because I accepted that trade with you with Taveras in mind.

thatcoolguy_22
02-11-2013, 01:42 PM
Many of the new top prospects are missing from the player pool. I saw on another forum that the Yahoo people have asked their service provider to add a list of them, but I don't know if that will be successful or not. If not, it kinda sucks because I accepted that trade with you with Taveras in mind.

I think if we delay the first pick long enough, he will be added. Once ST starts they will update. Its just bogus IMO that he isn't and some guys in HiA are.

thatcoolguy_22
02-11-2013, 01:58 PM
With the first trade of the season Tornon and I just swapped:

Pick 2.5 in 2013
Tony Cingrani
Mike Olt
Zack Wheeler
Wilin Rosario

Pick 1.1 in 2013
Jarrod Saltalamacchia
Jonathan Singleton

reds1869
02-11-2013, 02:17 PM
Some serious prospects moving in that deal!

AtomicDumpling
02-11-2013, 02:39 PM
The rosters seem to have disappeared on the league website.

You can view your roster by going to your team page and clicking on Tuesday.

Since our league uses the setting where all transactions are effective the following day, when I added the players to your roster at 4:00am this morning they don't officially become yours until Tuesday.

AtomicDumpling
02-11-2013, 02:43 PM
Oscar Taveras not in the Yahoo player pool, so is he not draftable? He could possibly open the season as their starting CF, while other guys are already on rosters that are on the fast track for just a september call up in 2013. Anything we can do in this situation?

On the Yahoo Fantasy Freakshow Podcast they discussed this issue. They said due to a miscommunication or dispute with their stats provider the prospects were not added to the player pool. They said this issue should be resolved within a couple of weeks. I certainly hope it is fixed before our draft starts. In years past any player on a MLB 40-man roster was in the Yahoo player pool. Not so this year, at least for now.

I was planning to start this draft around March 9th, but if the prospects are not added yet we may have to push it back another week or so. If the prospects are not added by the time our draft starts they will be ineligible for the draft and will be subject to waivers when they are added.

AtomicDumpling
02-11-2013, 02:46 PM
With the first trade of the season Tornon and I just swapped:

Pick 2.5 in 2013
Tony Cingrani
Mike Olt
Zack Wheeler
Wilin Rosario

Pick 1.1 in 2013
Jarrod Saltalamacchia
Jonathan Singleton

Awesome trade guys! Lots of talented prospects on the move. I will adjust the draft order to reflect the traded picks.

AtomicDumpling
02-11-2013, 02:51 PM
UPDATED 2013 DRAFT ORDER reflecting the recent trade:


1.1 Tornon 2.1 thatcoolguy_22 3.1 thatcoolguy_22 4.1 thatcoolguy_22 5.1 thatcoolguy_22
1.2 Joseph 2.2 Tornon 3.2 Joseph 4.2 Joseph 5.2 Joseph
1.3 Crosley68 2.3 Crosley68 3.3 Crosley68 4.3 Crosley68 5.3 Crosley68
1.4 Bumstead 2.4 Bumstead 3.4 Bumstead 4.4 Bumstead 5.4 Bumstead
1.5 Joseph 2.5 thatcoolguy_22 3.5 Tornon 4.5 Tornon 5.5 Tornon
1.6 Captain Hook 2.6 Captain Hook 3.6 Captain Hook 4.6 Captain Hook 5.6 Captain Hook
1.7 reds1869 2.7 reds1869 3.7 reds1869 4.7 reds1869 5.7 reds1869
1.8 Vada Pinson Fan 2.8 Vada Pinson Fan 3.8 Vada Pinson Fan 4.8 Vada Pinson Fan 5.8 Vada Pinson Fan
1.9 Atomic Dumpling 2.9 Atomic Dumpling 3.9 Atomic Dumpling 4.9 Atomic Dumpling 5.9 Atomic Dumpling
1.10 HayPay 2.10 mbgrayson 3.10 mbgrayson 4.10 mbgrayson 5.10 mbgrayson
1.11 HayPay 2.11 HayPay 3.11 mbgrayson 4.11 HayPay 5.11 HayPay
1.12 Plus Plus 2.12 Plus Plus 3.12 Plus Plus 4.12 Plus Plus 5.12 Plus Plus

IMPORTANT NOTE:
We can trade draft picks for the upcoming 2013 draft, but we can't use the Yahoo trading system for doing so. If you would like to include an exchange of 2013 draft picks in a trade please do so using the Comments area of the trade proposal and notify me when the trade is complete so I can change the 2013 draft order. Any traded draft pick using the checkmark system in the trade proposal application will be considered a trade of 2014 draft picks. The checkmark system in the trade application shows that every team has a pick in every round, but due to traded picks that is certainly not the case for the 2013 draft. So if you forget and include 2013 draft picks in your trade proposals you are likely to end up trading picks that don't exist. Please consult the official 2013 draft order posted here and in the Commissioner's Note for use in all trades.

I have not chosen a specific date to start the draft yet, but it will be near March 9th. Each team will have a 10 hour time limit to post their pick.

reds1869
02-11-2013, 03:26 PM
You can view your roster by going to your team page and clicking on Tuesday.

Since our league uses the setting where all transactions are effective the following day, when I added the players to your roster at 4:00am this morning they don't officially become yours until Tuesday.

Got it. Thanks for the help.

Tornon
02-15-2013, 11:21 AM
A batch of prospects got added today, with hopefully more in the coming weeks

AtomicDumpling
02-15-2013, 04:39 PM
A batch of prospects got added today, with hopefully more in the coming weeks

Cool. They added some good ones. That is a good sign. There are still some missing though.

I see you and thatcoolguy_22 made another trade. Leaguewide we have made 3 trades in the first 5 days. We are off to an active start. So we have that going for us, which is nice. :p

AtomicDumpling
02-18-2013, 08:03 PM
Oscar Taveras not in the Yahoo player pool, so is he not draftable? He could possibly open the season as their starting CF, while other guys are already on rosters that are on the fast track for just a september call up in 2013. Anything we can do in this situation?

Oscar Taveras was added to the Yahoo player pool yesterday. :thumbup:

Tornon
02-23-2013, 01:24 PM
Another huge batch of prospects was added this morning, Yahoo has done a nice job catching up

reds1869
02-23-2013, 01:31 PM
Maybe Yahoo has finally decided they are tired of losing leagues to other sites. I've always preferred Yahoo but drooled over the better player pools elsewhere.

Tornon
02-23-2013, 01:48 PM
Maybe Yahoo has finally decided they are tired of losing leagues to other sites. I've always preferred Yahoo but drooled over the better player pools elsewhere.

Well, Yahoo's doing a nice job doing what they can but in my opinion they're never going to touch a player pool like ESPN's

Joseph
02-24-2013, 03:35 PM
Set a date yet?

Plus Plus
02-24-2013, 07:04 PM
Loving how active the league has been so far- great trade, Atomic Dumpling!

(obviously I got the better end of the deal, but we all knew that already :p)

AtomicDumpling
02-25-2013, 05:14 AM
Loving how active the league has been so far- great trade, Atomic Dumpling!

(obviously I got the better end of the deal, but we all knew that already :p)

Dude I soooooooooooooooooo robbed you. :D

But seriously, I took a bit of a gamble on that one. Scutaro is a safer bet to have a good season and he plays tougher positions to fill, but it is possible that if Morneau is back to full health he could have a monster season. I will take the flyer.

AtomicDumpling
02-25-2013, 05:17 AM
Set a date yet?

I am leaning toward starting the draft on Friday, March 8th at Noon Cincinnati time. Hopefully we can get through at least the first round over that weekend.

AtomicDumpling
02-26-2013, 08:36 AM
Hey Guys,

The draft is going to start on Friday, March 8th at Noon Cincinnati time.

As usual, each team owner will have 10 hours to make his pick. Your timer starts the moment the previous pick is posted on the league message board. After 10 hours has elapsed the pick is skipped and the next owner is on the clock. Skipped picks can be made whenever you can get online and post the pick.

The draft order is posted in the yellow Commissioner's Note area of the league home page and is also in the league thread on Redszone.

Tornon has the first pick of the draft. Picks can be made prior to Noon on March 8th but the actual 10-hour timers will not start until that date.

If you would like to receive a text message when it is your turn to draft send me a message with your cell phone number. You are still responsible for your own 10-hour timer even if you don't get a text message, but I will send you a text as soon as I see it is your turn.

Please remember to email the next owner after you have made your pick. This will speed up the draft.

Good luck with your draft, and leave a good player for me!

--Atomic Dumpling


Draft rules:
1. You have 10 hours to make your pick. If you have not placed your pick within 10 hours, the next player can go ahead and post his pick. You do not lose your pick. You can still make your pick as soon as you return to the website.
2. After you make your pick please email the next player to let him know it is his turn. This will speed up the draft. To send the email click on "Email League" at the top of any league page. Then click on the next player and send him a message.
3. The draft will be a straight draft consisting of five rounds.
4. To make your pick just post your draftee's name on the league message board like this: round.pick Player Name (1.1 Johan Santana or 5.12 Jay Bruce) Then you can add the player to your team by selecting him from the Free Agent list.
5. If you ask someone else to post your pick or your draftee is on waivers the commissioner will add your player to your team page as soon as possible. Before you pick, make sure the player has not already been drafted.
6. You can trade draft picks. The only pick you can't trade is the one that is "on the clock". We learned from experience that can cause long delays.
7. The draft will be a straight draft. All rounds have the same draft order.
8. Multiple picks can be skipped. For example, 10 hours have elapsed since pick 4.3 was posted so pick 4.4 is skipped and pick 4.5 is on the clock. If 10 hours later pick 4.5 has not been posted then he is skipped and pick 4.6 is on the clock.
9. Draft order will be the reverse of prior year's standings.
10. You may not exceed the roster size limit. If you are at the limit when it is your turn to draft you must drop a player before you can draft a player. The dropped player will become draftable immediately -- the next team owner in the draft may select the droppped player without waiting for him to clear waivers.
11. Players added to the Yahoo player pool after the draft begins are not eligible to be drafted and will be placed on waivers after the draft is over.
12. When all five rounds are completed, the commissioner will set a date and time when all undrafted players will be eligible to be added on a first come, first served basis -- it is not a free-for-all as soon as the last draft pick is made.

Plus Plus
02-26-2013, 08:43 AM
Hey Guys,

The draft is going to start on Friday, March 8th at Noon Cincinnati time.

As usual, each team owner will have 10 hours to make his pick. Your timer starts the moment the previous pick is posted on the league message board. After 10 hours has elapsed the pick is skipped and the next owner is on the clock. Skipped picks can be made whenever you can get online and post the pick.

The draft order is posted in the yellow Commissioner's Note area of the league home page and is also in the league thread on Redszone.

Tornon has the first pick of the draft. Picks can be made prior to Noon on March 8th but the actual 10-hour timers will not start until that date.

If you would like to receive a text message when it is your turn to draft reply to this message with your cell phone number. You are still responsible for your own 10-hour timer even if you don't get a text message, but I will send you a text as soon as I see it is your turn.

Please remember to email the next owner after you have made your pick. This will speed up the draft.

Good luck with your draft, and leave a good player for me!

--Atomic Dumpling


Draft rules:
1. You have 10 hours to make your pick. If you have not placed your pick within 10 hours, the next player can go ahead and post his pick. You do not lose your pick. You can still make your pick as soon as you return to the website.
2. After you make your pick please email the next player to let him know it is his turn. This will speed up the draft. To send the email click on "Email League" at the top of any league page. Then click on the next player and send him a message.
3. The draft will be a straight draft consisting of five rounds.
4. To make your pick just post your draftee's name on the league message board like this: round.pick Player Name (1.1 Johan Santana or 5.12 Jay Bruce) Then you can add the player to your team by selecting him from the Free Agent list.
5. If you ask someone else to post your pick or your draftee is on waivers the commissioner will add your player to your team page as soon as possible. Before you pick, make sure the player has not already been drafted.
6. You can trade draft picks. The only pick you can't trade is the one that is "on the clock". We learned from experience that can cause long delays.
7. The draft will be a straight draft. All rounds have the same draft order.
8. Multiple picks can be skipped. For example, 10 hours have elapsed since pick 4.3 was posted so pick 4.4 is skipped and pick 4.5 is on the clock. If 10 hours later pick 4.5 has not been posted then he is skipped and pick 4.6 is on the clock.
9. Draft order will be the reverse of prior year's standings.
10. You may not exceed the roster size limit. If you are at the limit when it is your turn to draft you must drop a player before you can draft a player. The dropped player will become draftable immediately -- the next team owner in the draft may select the droppped player without waiting for him to clear waivers.
11. Players added to the Yahoo player pool after the draft begins are not eligible to be drafted and will be placed on waivers after the draft is over.
12. When all five rounds are completed, the commissioner will set a date and time when all undrafted players will be eligible to be added on a first come, first served basis -- it is not a free-for-all as soon as the last draft pick is made.

As a moderator, I strongly recommend sending AD a PM (or simply "replying all" to the most recent messages he has sent out to the entire league) rather than posting your personal information in this thread.

As a member of the League of Reds Nation, good luck to all!

AtomicDumpling
03-07-2013, 06:22 PM
Reminder: The draft starts tomorrow Friday, March 8th at 12 Noon eastern time and the 10 hour timer will be in effect. Good luck!

AtomicDumpling
03-08-2013, 12:14 PM
The draft thus far:

2013 DRAFT ORDER
1.1 Tornon --- Oscar Taveras
1.2 Joseph --- Jose Fernandez
1.3 Crosley68 --- Grant Balfour
1.4 Bumstead --- Xander Bogaerts
1.5 Joseph --- ON THE CLOCK since 12:00 Noon
1.6 Captain Hook
1.7 reds1869
1.8 Vada Pinson Fan
1.9 Atomic Dumpling
1.10 HayPay
1.11 HayPay
1.12 Plus Plus

The draft is officially live and in concert. Game on!

thatcoolguy_22
03-09-2013, 05:35 AM
2013 DRAFT ORDER
1.1 Tornon --- Oscar Taveras
1.2 Joseph --- Jose Fernandez
1.3 Crosley68 --- Grant Balfour
1.4 Bumstead --- Xander Bogaerts
1.5 Joseph --- ON THE CLOCK since 12:00 Noon
1.6 Captain Hook --- Taijuan Walker
1.7 reds1869 --- Kyle Seager
1.8 Vada Pinson Fan --- Aaron Hicks
1.9 Atomic Dumpling --- Jason Grilli
1.10 HayPay ---On THE CLOCK since 11:06 pm
1.11 HayPay
1.12 Plus Plus

EDIT Sorry did not see this was updated on the site. I can't access it while I'm at work. Good work AD.

AtomicDumpling
03-09-2013, 10:26 AM
Important Note:

Draft rules:
1. You have 10 hours to make your pick. If you have not placed your pick within 10 hours, the next player can go ahead and post his pick. You do not lose your pick. You can still make your pick as soon as you return to the website.
2. After you make your pick please email the next player to let him know it is his turn. This will speed up the draft. To send the email click on "Email League" at the top of any league page. Then click on the next player and send him a message.
3. The draft will be a straight draft consisting of five rounds.
4. To make your pick just post your draftee's name on the league message board like this: round.pick Player Name (1.1 Johan Santana or 5.12 Jay Bruce) Then you can add the player to your team by selecting him from the Free Agent list.
5. If you ask someone else to post your pick or your draftee is on waivers the commissioner will add your player to your team page as soon as possible. Before you pick, make sure the player has not already been drafted.
6. You can trade draft picks. The only pick you can't trade is the one that is "on the clock". We learned from experience that can cause long delays.
7. The draft will be a straight draft. All rounds have the same draft order.
8. Multiple picks can be skipped. For example, 10 hours have elapsed since pick 4.3 was posted so pick 4.4 is skipped and pick 4.5 is on the clock. If 10 hours later pick 4.5 has not been posted then he is skipped and pick 4.6 is on the clock.
9. Draft order will be the reverse of prior year's standings.
10. You may not exceed the roster size limit. If you are at the limit when it is your turn to draft you must drop a player before you can draft a player. The dropped player will become draftable immediately -- the next team owner in the draft may select the droppped player without waiting for him to clear waivers.
11. Players added to the Yahoo player pool after the draft begins are not eligible to be drafted and will be placed on waivers after the draft is over.
12. When all five rounds are completed, the commissioner will set a date and time when all undrafted players will be eligible to be added on a first come, first served basis -- it is not a free-for-all as soon as the last draft pick is made.
13. If an owner has consecutive draft picks he only gets one 10-hour timer before he can be skipped.


When I posted the rules earlier in this thread I made a cut-and-paste error and lopped off the last rule. I have added it here. The rule has been present on the Yahoo league page, but since it was not posted here please do not skip anyone with consecutive picks until further notice.

I just spoke with HayPay who is on the clock for consecutive picks right now. He was not aware of rule #13 and correctly pointed out that that rule was not in this list. So don't skip HayPay until at least 2:28pm. I think this is a fair ruling since there was some confusion about the rule, which was my fault.

AtomicDumpling
03-19-2013, 01:04 PM
ATTENTION:

The draft is almost over. If you have any skipped or passed draft picks remaining you can use them before Tuesday at 10:00pm, at which time the draft will be officially over. All players will be available as Free Agents starting Tuesday night at 10:00pm Cincinnati time. If you do not have a skipped or passed pick available please do not add any players until 10pm Tuesday.

AtomicDumpling
03-22-2013, 01:09 PM
2013 DRAFT Results:
1.1 Tornon --- Oscar Taveras
1.2 Joseph --- Jose Fernandez
1.3 Crosley68 --- Grant Balfour
1.4 Bumstead --- Xander Bogaerts
1.5 Joseph --- Justin Smoak
1.6 Captain Hook --- Taijuan Walker
1.7 reds1869 --- Kyle Seager
1.8 Vada Pinson Fan --- Aaron Hicks
1.9 Atomic Dumpling --- Jason Grilli
1.10 HayPay --- Leonys Martin
1.11 HayPay --- Jean Segura
1.12 Plus Plus --- Mike Zunino

2.1 thatcoolguy_22 --- Christian Yelich
2.2 Tornon --- Jose Veras
2.3 Crosley68 --- Jason Kubel
2.4 Bumstead --- Pass
2.5 thatcoolguy_22 --- Chris Archer
2.6 Captain Hook --- Bruce Rondon
2.7 reds1869 --- Dayan Viciedo
2.8 Vada Pinson Fan --- Ricky Romero
2.9 Atomic Dumpling --- A.J. Burnett
2.10 mbgrayson --- Trevor Cahill
2.11 HayPay --- Brandon Beachy
2.12 Plus Plus --- Yasiel Puig

3.1 thatcoolguy_22 --- Domonic Brown
3.2 Joseph --- Mitchell Boggs
3.3 Crosley68 --- Jake McGee
3.4 Bumstead --- Pass
3.5 Tornon --- Kyuji Fujikawa
3.6 Captain Hook --- Kevin Gausman
3.7 reds1869 --- Hyun-Jin Ru
3.8 Vada Pinson Fan --- Matt Carpenter
3.9 Atomic Dumpling --- Joaquin Benoit
3.10 mbgrayson --- Everth Cabrera
3.11 mbgrayson --- Hiroyuki Nakajima
3.12 Plus Plus --- Pass

4.1 thatcoolguy_22 --- Trevor Rosenthal
4.2 Joseph --- Garrett Jones
4.3 Crosley68 --- Omar Infante
4.4 Bumstead --- Jemile Weeks
4.5 Tornon --- Daniel Hudson
4.6 Captain Hook --- Pass
4.7 reds1869 --- Michael Wacha
4.8 Vada Pinson Fan --- Jordan Pacheco
4.9 Atomic Dumpling --- Pass
4.10 mbgrayson --- Pass
4.11 HayPay --- Pass
4.12 Plus Plus --- Pass

5.1 thatcoolguy_22 --- Andrew Cashner
5.2 Joseph --- Jason Vargas
5.3 Crosley68 --- Howie Kendrick
5.4 Bumstead --- Tommy Hanson
5.5 Tornon --- Al Alburquerque
5.6 Captain Hook --- Pass
5.7 reds1869 --- Pass
5.8 Vada Pinson Fan --- Pass
5.9 Atomic Dumpling --- Pass
5.10 mbgrayson --- Pass
5.11 HayPay --- Pass
5.12 Plus Plus --- Pass

AtomicDumpling
03-22-2013, 03:00 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Yahoo has added a long-awaited new feature to fantasy baseball that we have been wanting to add since the inception of our league in 2010. We now have the option to include a Minor League Roster!

Most of us have been eagerly awaiting the option to have a minor league roster in our league. Yahoo finally came through! Our dynasty format is perfect for this new feature. The minor league roster will augment our league with a new level of strategy and realism. It will allow us to plan for the future and stash some future stars without hindering our ability to field a complete team of major leaguers during the season. The draft will become more important. Prospects will become more valuable. It will be easier to rebuild a non-contending team into a contender over time and give the teams at the bottom of the standings more hope and more fun during the rebuilding process.

The new feature allows up to 5 players to be added to an "NA Roster". This means that any player with a red NA designation after their name could be placed on your team's NA roster. The vast majority of players with an NA designation are minor leaguers, but there are also players who have not signed with a team yet (like Kyle Lohse or Carlos Lee) and players who have been suspended (Like Carlos Ruiz or Yasmani Grandal).

The NA Roster works just like the Disabled List does. All of us are already familiar with how the DL works in our league. To be placed on the DL a player must have the red DL label next to his name. Players on the DL do not count towards your 30-man roster limit. Once a player is activated from the real MLB disabled list he must be removed from your team's DL or else you won't be able to make any roster changes until you do. When you take a player off your DL you must drop a player from your active roster. The NA roster works the same way. Therefore, once one of your minor leaguers gets called up to the big leagues he would have to be added to your normal 30-man roster or you would have to drop him.

Yahoo allows leagues to decide the number of DL slots. Anywhere from 0-5 are possible. In our league we voted to have 4 DL slots.

Yahoo allows leagues to decide the number of NA slots. Anywhere from 0-5 are possible. We have not decided how many NA slots to use. We need to do that now. Right now. We need to decide this ASAP so we can implement this before Opening Day.

My tentative plan is to add 2 NA slots for this season and ramp up to 5 NA slots next season. If the maximum number of NA slots is increased in future seasons we will grow our NA slots to the maximum that is allowed. For dynasty league keeper purposes, any minor league player on your NA list at the end of a season will be a keeper the following spring, but retired, inactive or suspended players cannot be kept on your NA roster during the offseason. So if you want to keep them they will have to be kept as part of your normal 30-man roster. In other words, when we start up a new season you will be able to keep up to 30 major league players and up to 5 minor league players.

Are you guys OK with that plan? Would you like to suggest a better plan or a modification to my plan?

Please discuss this new feature here. After a short period of discussion I will decide how to proceed with implementing this cool new feature.

Points to discuss:

How many NA slots to use this year.
How many NA slots to use in future years.
Should we start small and ramp up the size of the NA roster over time? Or go straight to the full 5-man minor league roster now?
Should we limit the NA roster to minor leaguers only? Or should we allow unsigned players and suspended players to be put on the NA roster as well?


I am hoping we can have a quick, friendly discussion and resolve the issue without any arguing or hurt feelings. I think we can.

Share your thoughts!

thatcoolguy_22
03-22-2013, 04:04 PM
I am not a fan of adding NA slots this season. I have already sacrificed ML talent to be able to obtain prospects. Due to my weak roster I had to look more towards the future instead of now. I had to decide the value of my limited roster spots (prospect vs proven), when most didn't need to because they will be competive this year. During the draft, I selected prospects instead of much better major league players available at the time to gain a competitive advantage for next year, while somewhat sacrificing 2013.

Now my entire strategy is available to everyone and on a whim 2 weeks before opening day? My only move would be to pick up a justin ruggiano or similarly unstartable major leaguer. Sorry for the poor wording, but I think most can get the spirit of what I'm saying.

0 slots 2013
5 slots 2014
Limit the NA slots to what Yahoo decides is NA. My buddy is in a league where everyone is a prospect until they reach 200 IP or 500PA. They have a 75 man minor league roster and you are allowed 15 ML keepers every year plus full minor league roster. They keep this running off site on a message board and use yahoo for the actual game. Probably too much for us right now, but in the future we could look towards building a similar league.

AtomicDumpling
03-22-2013, 04:31 PM
I am not a fan of adding NA slots this season. I have already sacrificed ML talent to be able to obtain prospects. Due to my weak roster I had to look more towards the future instead of now. I had to decide the value of my limited roster spots (prospect vs proven), when most didn't need to because they will be competive this year. During the draft, I selected prospects instead of much better major league players available at the time to gain a competitive advantage for next year, while somewhat sacrificing 2013.

Now my entire strategy is available to everyone and on a whim 2 weeks before opening day? My only move would be to pick up a justin ruggiano or similarly unstartable major leaguer. Sorry for the poor wording, but I think most can get the spirit of what I'm saying.

0 slots 2013
5 slots 2014
Limit the NA slots to what Yahoo decides is NA. My buddy is in a league where everyone is a prospect until they reach 200 IP or 500PA. They have a 75 man minor league roster and you are allowed 15 ML keepers every year plus full minor league roster. They keep this running off site on a message board and use yahoo for the actual game. Probably too much for us right now, but in the future we could look towards building a similar league.

Thanks for your input. I will take it into strong consideration when I make the decision.

I see your point regarding your decision to draft prospects instead of major leaguers, a decision that will hurt you this year but set you up nicely for the future.

Is it possible that adding a minor league roster could actually help you more than the rest of us? I think it makes all those prospects you have accumulated more valuable immediately because now they will be in higher demand since teams will have a place to put them. Since you have most of the elite prospects the rest of us will be at a severe disadvantage when it comes to filling out our minor league rosters. Your prospects will be highly sought after and will have very high trade value. I don't know. We'll see.

Anybody else have any thoughts on the issue?

reds1869
03-23-2013, 06:18 AM
I love the idea of the NA Roster but I do see coolguy's point. We all entered this season with one set of assumptions so perhaps it would be wise to wait until next year to fully implement the feature when everyone knows it is coming. If we do add the rule this year it should only be one or two slots, with a full complement to begin next year. I am very excited about this feature!

Plus Plus
03-23-2013, 10:11 PM
I just think the addition of 5 more slots to each team, for a total of 35 (not including the 4 DL slots, which would take it to 39) is excessive. If a player on a team goes down, the only available players to help immediately are already fringy and generally poor fantasy options, and having another 60 players added to rosters would dilute this even further.

I would be for removing some bench slots and replacing them with NA slots but would be against expanding rosters to an even more humongous size than they are now.

Aside- I understand the concept of a keeper dynasty league, but in our league right now the best players available to pick up are owned in less than half of leagues (three pitchers outstanding). I think it is interesting but not necessarily fun to have to pick up Clayton Richard when Matt Cain goes down, or to have to add Juan Francisco if Miguel Cabrera goes down.

Plus Plus
03-23-2013, 10:12 PM
I just think the addition of 5 more slots to each team, for a total of 35 (not including the 4 DL slots, which would take it to 39) is excessive. If a player on a team goes down, the only available players to help immediately are already fringy and generally poor fantasy options, and having another 60 players added to rosters would dilute this even further.

I would be for removing some bench slots and replacing them with NA slots but would be against expanding rosters to an even more humongous size than they are now.

Aside- I understand the concept of a keeper dynasty league, but in our league right now the best players available to pick up are owned in less than half of leagues (three pitchers outstanding). I think it is interesting but not necessarily fun to have to pick up Clayton Richard when Matt Cain goes down, or to have to add Juan Francisco if Miguel Cabrera goes down.

AtomicDumpling
03-24-2013, 12:27 AM
I just think the addition of 5 more slots to each team, for a total of 35 (not including the 4 DL slots, which would take it to 39) is excessive. If a player on a team goes down, the only available players to help immediately are already fringy and generally poor fantasy options, and having another 60 players added to rosters would dilute this even further.

I would be for removing some bench slots and replacing them with NA slots but would be against expanding rosters to an even more humongous size than they are now.

Aside- I understand the concept of a keeper dynasty league, but in our league right now the best players available to pick up are owned in less than half of leagues (three pitchers outstanding). I think it is interesting but not necessarily fun to have to pick up Clayton Richard when Matt Cain goes down, or to have to add Juan Francisco if Miguel Cabrera goes down.

OK good points.

I am not sure there is ever going to be an adequate replacement for Matt Cain or Miguel Cabrera on the Free Agent list even if we reduced the roster size to 20 men. In real life if a star like Miguel Cabrera gets hurt the Tigers won't be able to sign a quality free agent mid-season to replace him. They will have to use one of their bench players for awhile or else make a trade. We have the same options in a fantasy league.

You are not going to be able to snatch a stud player off the Free Agent list and insert him straight into your starting lineup very often in any fantasy league no matter the roster size, especially a dynasty league. In a deep dynasty league the idea is to build a full roster and part of that is investing in some backups to fill the gap if a star gets injured. If you opt to forego a backup player to add an extra prospect it can come back to burn you. Part of building a competitive team is strategizing the best way to use your 11 bench slots wisely so you can cover your injuries while also planning for the future. All teams suffer multiple injuries, so building a strong bench is a big key to winning the league.

Tornon
03-24-2013, 12:44 AM
Yeah, I agree where the issue with adding the N/A spots right now wouldn't have to do with increasing the roster size. I don't like looking at the free agent wire in a league such as this and seeing someone that's 40% owned - wanna get that into the single digits :p I believe the strategy in a dynasty league such as this is to be able to foster enough talent on your own roster for whatever situations may occur. I don't like how often in the past I've had to drop a player I actually considered to be good, I like to leave those types of decisions to the shallower re-draft leagues I play in.

I believe as thatcoolguy mentioned, it may come down to an issue involving previous strategy already this season assuming we would just have our 30 man rosters. I've already dropped 3 players this year that would have been eligible for my NA slots. Maybe we'll be able to come up with something though. If we did add the slots this year, it could allow thatcoolguy to store even more prospects if he wanted to.

Plus Plus
03-24-2013, 12:50 AM
OK good points.

I am not sure there is ever going to be an adequate replacement for Matt Cain or Miguel Cabrera on the Free Agent list even if we reduced the roster size to 20 men. In real life if a star like Miguel Cabrera gets hurt the Tigers won't be able to sign a quality free agent mid-season to replace him. They will have to use one of their bench players for awhile or else make a trade. We have the same options in a fantasy league.

You are not going to be able to snatch a stud player off the Free Agent list and insert him straight into your starting lineup very often in any fantasy league no matter the roster size, especially a dynasty league. In a deep dynasty league the idea is to build a full roster and part of that is investing in some backups to fill the gap if a star gets injured. If you opt to forego a backup player to add an extra prospect it can come back to burn you. Part of building a competitive team is strategizing the best way to use your 11 bench slots wisely so you can cover your injuries while also planning for the future. All teams suffer multiple injuries, so building a strong bench is a big key to winning the league.

In a lot of fantasy leagues, there are players who are perpetually available on waivers or FA lists that are more than either extremely poor starters on their respective teams or platoon players, neither of which make for particularly interesting options in a fantasy league. Even if you assume a standard 23-player roster, there are 84 more major league players who are taken in this league.

Again, I understand how to build a fantasy baseball roster well- the problem is that I don't see a gain in "fun" by having FA be basically nonexistent in a fantasy league.

AtomicDumpling
03-24-2013, 11:56 PM
Important Note:
After reading everyone's opinions via message board, league thread and email I have decided how to implement the NA roster.

We are going to be conservative and ease our way into using the NA roster feature. In our league we have a history of avoiding big changes in favor of making subtle, gradual changes. For that reason, we will start with only 2 NA slots this season. I realize some of you want to go straight to the full 5 NA slots, but since we already had our draft and this new roster option was only made available after we had already made our plans it seems best that we start off slow with 2 slots now and ramp it up to 5 slots next year. I considered putting it up to a vote but thought better of it. I think 5 slots would win the vote, but the guys who want 2 slots seem more passionate.

So here is the plan:


We will have a two-round supplemental draft starting at Noon on Wednesday March 27th. It will work the same as our yearly slow draft with 10 hour timers per pick. The draft order will be the reverse of last year's standings to give the rebuilding teams a little extra boost.

All Adds/Drops are prohibited before the draft. Do not pick up any players off the Free Agent list starting now!

I will enable the NA roster now. You can start transferring players to prepare for the supplemental draft. Again, do not add any players to your team until it is your turn to draft.

Any player with an NA label can be put on the NA roster even if they are not minor leaguers. Of course doing so would mean you can carry one less prospect than everybody else.

You can still keep minor leaguers on your normal roster. Many teams will want to keep more prospects in addition to the ones on their NA roster.

During this supplemental draft you can select either NA-eligible players or major league players if you have opened a roster spot by transferring another player who was already on your roster to the NA roster.


Since everyone will have two fresh NA roster slots we will not need to drop a player to make your supplemental draft pick. (see exception below)

One important consideration, if you draft a minor league player for your NA roster you will need to first add him to your normal roster before transferring him to the NA roster. If you do not have an open normal roster slot you won't be able to pick up the drafted player without dropping someone first. You can drop the player without losing him. In this situation make sure to state in the message when you post your pick that the player you dropped needs to go back on your team. I will then take the player off waivers and add him back to your team.

2013 Supplemental Draft Order:
1.1 thatcoolguy_22
1.2 Joseph
1.3 Crosley68
1.4 Bumstead
1.5 Tornon
1.6 Captain Hook
1.7 reds1869
1.8 Vada Pinson Fan
1.9 Atomic Dumpling
1.1 mbgrayson
1.11 HayPay
1.12 Plus Plus

2.1 thatcoolguy_22
2.2 Joseph
2.3 Crosley68
2.4 Bumstead
2.5 Tornon
2.6 Captain Hook
2.7 reds1869
2.8 Vada Pinson Fan
2.9 Atomic Dumpling
2.1 mbgrayson
2.11 HayPay
2.12 Plus Plus

Thatcoolguy_22 can go ahead and post his pick whenever he is ready, but the 10-hour timers won't start until Noon Wednesday.

Remember we are now back in draft mode, so do not add any players to your team unless it is your turn to draft!

thatcoolguy_22
03-25-2013, 02:33 PM
S1.1 Jason Hammel

AtomicDumpling
03-25-2013, 02:58 PM
S1.1 Jason Hammel

Thanks for getting it started early. And good pick!

AtomicDumpling
04-01-2013, 12:58 PM
2013 Supplemental Draft Results:

1.1 thatcoolguy_22 --- Jason Hammel
1.2 Joseph --- Koji Uehara
1.3 Crosley68 --- Henry Rodriguez
1.4 Bumstead --- Alex Cobb
1.5 Tornon --- Juan Francisco
1.6 Captain Hook --- Derek Holland
1.7 reds1869 --- AJ Griffin
1.8 Vada Pinson Fan --- AJ Ellis
1.9 Atomic Dumpling --- Nick Castellanos
1.10 mbgrayson --- Dee Gordon
1.11 HayPay --- Rick Porcello
1.12 Plus Plus --- David Murphy

2.1 thatcoolguy_22 --- Chris Nelson
2.2 Joseph --- Pass
2.3 Crosley68 --- Tony Cingrani
2.4 Bumstead --- Jim Henderson
2.5 Tornon --- Justin Ruggiano
2.6 Captain Hook --- Tyler Clippard
2.7 reds1869 --- Kolten Wong
2.8 Vada Pinson Fan --- Pass
2.9 Atomic Dumpling --- Jonathon Singleton
2.10 mbgrayson --- JP Arencibia
2.11 HayPay --- Vernon Wells
2.12 Plus Plus --- Pass

You may now add Free Agents whenever you like.

AtomicDumpling
09-10-2013, 07:13 AM
Plus Plus has decided to relinquish his team. If anyone out there would like to take over his team in this dynasty league send me a PM. I am looking for an experienced fantasy baseball player who will be an active, competitive team owner for multiple seasons.

redsfandan
09-10-2013, 07:40 AM
Plus Plus has decided to relinquish his team. If anyone out there would like to take over his team in this dynasty league send me a PM. I am looking for an experienced fantasy baseball player who will be an active, competitive team owner for multiple seasons.

Post his roster and the league settings.

AtomicDumpling
09-10-2013, 08:04 AM
Post his roster and the league settings.

The league settings are the same as the Redszone Dynasty League. 5x5 roto, Yahoo, 30 man rosters.

He has been too busy to play this season. His team is in last place, but only because he has had several injured players in his neglected lineup all year. The team won the league the last two seasons.

Ideally I would like to give as many Redszoners a chance to play as possible, which means people who are not already playing in the other league would get preference. No offense, but I have had several people express a desire to play in the past when we had no openings, so I would offer the team to them before someone who is already in the other league.

I will also be starting another dynasty league next spring. It will have 55-man major league rosters (2 starters at every position) and 40-man minor league rosters and will be a 7x7 roto league on CBS premium.

redsfandan
09-10-2013, 08:42 AM
Ideally I would like to give as many Redszoners a chance to play as possible, which means people who are not already playing in the other league would get preference. No offense, but I have had several people express a desire to play in the past when we had no openings, so I would offer the team to them before someone who is already in the other league.


Understood and no offense taken. Besides, I thought you might not want me to win another league of yours anyway. LOL ;)

AtomicDumpling
09-10-2013, 09:03 AM
Understood and no offense taken. Besides, I thought you might not want me to win another league of yours anyway. LOL ;)

I am sure you would do well with that team because I know you are a good team owner. And I will wrest my championship title away from you in the other league!

redsfandan
09-10-2013, 09:10 AM
I am sure you would do well with that team because I know you are a good team owner. And I will wrest my championship title away from you in the other league!

I'm sure you'll do your best to take back your crown but Will has been pretty impressive this season and there's quite a few other teams that are closing the gap so I think that league will just get more and more competitive.

AtomicDumpling
09-12-2013, 04:05 AM
I'm sure you'll do your best to take back your crown but Will has been pretty impressive this season and there's quite a few other teams that are closing the gap so I think that league will just get more and more competitive.

Yes I agree that league is very tough. We have a good group of owners there. I don't think I can catch you this year, but next year is all mine. (We should probably talk about that league in that league's thread.) :laugh:

RedEye
09-14-2013, 06:15 PM
Is there still a spot in the league? Also, is anyone here looking for another league (I have 2 openings in my keeper league)?

AtomicDumpling
09-14-2013, 11:37 PM
RedEye has agreed to take over the team. He is an experienced player, so everybody make sure to beat up on him. :p

reds1869
01-21-2014, 03:34 PM
The new season fast approaches. Looking forward to year five.

AtomicDumpling
01-22-2014, 04:09 PM
The new season fast approaches. Looking forward to year five.

Me too. Can't wait.

I will be posting some neat information here soon. Updating the All-Time Standings for a start.