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uteroasis
01-28-2013, 11:01 AM
Interesting piece of information from Miss Enquirer:


@MissEnquirer: Phil Castellini expects Aroldis Chapman to pitch out of the bullpen in April and maybe start in May #RedsCaravan

Twitter Link (https://twitter.com/MissEnquirer/status/295303493403676672)

RiverRat13
01-28-2013, 11:26 AM
That would make the most sense so that he could start in the playoffs. The downside is that it makes it easier for Dusty to pull the plug on Chapman starting at all.

JB12
01-28-2013, 01:26 PM
^ Not quite sure what you mean by "The downside is that it makes it easier for Dusty to pull the plug on Chapman starting at all."

EDIT: I misread the initial post--

TSJ55
01-28-2013, 01:28 PM
I still hate to see this shake-up to the staff. I'm a big time believer in "If it ain't broke..."

alwaysawarrior
01-28-2013, 02:01 PM
This makes sense. Glad to know they have a plan.

bigfunguy
01-28-2013, 02:37 PM
...or until a starter gets hurt---we've been SOOO lucky in this regard its just a matter of time

uteroasis
01-28-2013, 02:52 PM
...or until a starter gets hurt---we've been SOOO lucky in this regard its just a matter of time

Great point. Injury could decide the season more than anything else. This makes Mike Leake as the #6 an excellent fallback plan. I'm glad we have the depth, but let's hope we don't see Galarraga or Redmond starting anything other than a make-up doubleheader.

As for Chapman out of the bullpen in April, I just hope that this plan makes sense as far as development. How easily can a pitcher go from starter (in Spring Training) to short relief (April) to starter again (May)? Will he be used often in April? Will he be a long-man? Are we looking at 5 inning starts in May? Lots of unanswered questions that will hopefully take shape this Spring.

alwaysawarrior
01-28-2013, 03:59 PM
Great point. Injury could decide the season more than anything else. This makes Mike Leake as the #6 an excellent fallback plan. I'm glad we have the depth, but let's hope we don't see Galarraga or Redmond starting anything other than a make-up doubleheader.

As for Chapman out of the bullpen in April, I just hope that this plan makes sense as far as development. How easily can a pitcher go from starter (in Spring Training) to short relief (April) to starter again (May)? Will he be used often in April? Will he be a long-man? Are we looking at 5 inning starts in May? Lots of unanswered questions that will hopefully take shape this Spring.

I would imagine he will begin with several five inning starts. To me it makes sense to have Leake in the pen as a long man ready to go at least for the first several Chapman starts. Unfortunately Chapman should have stayed as a starter and this year we would have to worry about it, but that ship has sailed so they have to try something.

webbbj
01-28-2013, 04:06 PM
I think I would rather see them do a delayed spring training. Start working him 3-4 innings at a time in Louiville in April, then get a few starts up to 5 innings by May then just bring him up.

bigfunguy
01-28-2013, 04:07 PM
I would imagine he will begin with several five inning starts. To me it makes sense to have Leake in the pen as a long man ready to go at least for the first several Chapman starts. Unfortunately Chapman should have stayed as a starter and this year we would have to worry about it, but that ship has sailed so they have to try something.

How about an understanding that it's a Chapman/Leake combo every 5th day?

uteroasis
01-28-2013, 04:10 PM
How about an understanding that it's a Chapman/Leake combo every 5th day?

How's that for a change-up in styles?

Pony Boy
01-28-2013, 04:18 PM
How about an understanding that it's a Chapman/Leake combo every 5th day?

Is there any precedent for that arrangement? I can't remember that ever being done for any other pitcher.

bigfunguy
01-28-2013, 04:22 PM
No precedent I'm aware of, but if you did it that way you'd limit the innings, but both could also keep to the "routine" of being a starter (knowing when you'll pitch).

OGB
01-28-2013, 05:25 PM
I think I would rather see them do a delayed spring training. Start working him 3-4 innings at a time in Louiville in April, then get a few starts up to 5 innings by May then just bring him up.

This seems ideal to me. I would imagine the brass has him targeted for a maximum of around 130 to 140 innings. I think ideally, you bring him up about 50 games in if you want him as an option if they make the playoffs.

bigfunguy
01-29-2013, 02:49 PM
This seems ideal to me. I would imagine the brass has him targeted for a maximum of around 130 to 140 innings. I think ideally, you bring him up about 50 games in if you want him as an option if they make the playoffs.

see, I disagree---work him in via the bullpen for building up starter's endurance, because he is still one of your best ptichers. If they bring him up after 50 games and miss the playoffs by 1 game, you're left to think "what if..." I'd rather work him in slowly--but still mowing down major league hitters. :>)

MoneyInTheBank
01-29-2013, 11:28 PM
Honestly, I don't care what the plan is as long as there is one and it's written in permanent marker displayed prominently throughout the organization. When it comes to the treatment of a potential staff ace, the following terms or phrases should be strictly prohibited:

"We're not sure"
"There is no set plan"
"We'll see how it goes"
"There is no innings limit"
"Out of Necessity"
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

The decision has been made to move him to the rotation. I don't care if there is not one healthy reliever on the roster, the decision has been made, no more waffling. Have a plan, stick to it. Period

alwaysawarrior
01-30-2013, 02:55 PM
Honestly, I don't care what the plan is as long as there is one and it's written in permanent marker displayed prominently throughout the organization. When it comes to the treatment of a potential staff ace, the following terms or phrases should be strictly prohibited:

"We're not sure"
"There is no set plan"
"We'll see how it goes"
"There is no innings limit"
"Out of Necessity"
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

The decision has been made to move him to the rotation. I don't care if there is not one healthy reliever on the roster, the decision has been made, no more waffling. Have a plan, stick to it. Period

Amen good post

texasdave
01-30-2013, 07:11 PM
Honestly, I don't care what the plan is as long as there is one and it's written in permanent marker displayed prominently throughout the organization. When it comes to the treatment of a potential staff ace, the following terms or phrases should be strictly prohibited:

"We're not sure"
"There is no set plan"
"We'll see how it goes"
"There is no innings limit"
"Out of Necessity"
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

The decision has been made to move him to the rotation. I don't care if there is not one healthy reliever on the roster, the decision has been made, no more waffling. Have a plan, stick to it. Period

Year Four and we are still waiting on Aroldis to make his first major league start. Would anyone have predicted that when the Reds signed him?

UrbanMeyer
01-30-2013, 09:03 PM
It's certainly somewhat surprising to me that we are still waiting on the debut of Aroldis Chapman (as a starter that is). If someone had told me he wouldn't make a single start before the 2013 season, I would have assumed he had injured himself.

Now it sounds like we may have to wait until May. Personally, I could care less if they wait until June. We already know we will be getting a dominant back end bullpen guy (preferably in the closer role) regardless.

Whatever management can do to have Chapman in the starting rotation in late September is fine by me.

PhilAlive
02-01-2013, 05:00 AM
Yah I'm not sure about it, but with broxton closing makes me fell better can't waist his talent and he isn't just a lefty specialist! He's send a righty back to the bench just like he'll sent a lefty to the bench!

Girevik
02-01-2013, 01:05 PM
I'm not sure I like the May plan. So do you use him as a starter in sprint training, move him to the pen for a month, then into the rotation?

m21eagle45
02-02-2013, 06:03 PM
I would like this plan if Dusty was not the manager. He has been against Chapman being a starter for 3 years now. This just gives him an extra month to try and find a way to keep him in the bullpen.