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bigfunguy
01-29-2013, 05:51 PM
I can see it...

JB12
01-29-2013, 06:00 PM
The job will be Johnny's to lose.

I guess it depends on your definition of "ace". There's a whole thread discussing what an "ace" is over on ORG. If you see "ace" as the first starter in the rotation, then it will be Johnny.

If your "ace" is the stopper, the guy they trust with the ball for the team's best chance at getting a win, then I think the season will tell.

Regardless, this starting rotation is filled with potential (which we saw last year). Let's hope they can put together a year like they did last year. Having the likes of Cueto, Latos, Bailey, Chapman, and Arroyo (and plenty more capable arms fighting for a spot) is a good problem to have.

bigfunguy
01-29-2013, 06:01 PM
it's pretty deep...recall it was just a few years ago when Leake was the most consistant guy--now he is going to have trouble cracking the rotation

New York Red
01-29-2013, 06:27 PM
You could make the argument Latos is already an "ace" type pitcher. He pitched an entire season without missing a start, pitching in one of the worst ballparks for a pitcher, lost only four games and ended with a 3.48 ERA. Both his WAR (4.2) and WHIP (1.161) finished just outside the top ten of all MLB pitchers. I don't think being the #1 starter has anything to do with being an "ace", since a lot of teams have no ace and several teams have more than one. I guess it's all in the definition. With Cueto and Latos, we at least have two young guys on the verge of being that kind of pitchers.

Todd Gack
01-29-2013, 06:40 PM
Is he going to stop throwing a fit on the mound in series deciding games? Remains to be seen. It just depends on his maturity. . . and probably his wife's too.

Rock of Truth
01-30-2013, 10:10 AM
Is he going to stop throwing a fit on the mound in series deciding games? Remains to be seen. It just depends on his maturity. . . and probably his wife's too.

True ... True ... and True. Game 5 against San Fran was a mental blow up, nothing else. He got squeezed a little and threw a fit like a 5 year old. The ump didn't like it and squeezed him even more.

I'm not a twitter follower myself, by my wife is. Lots of posts from the Latos clan that resemble the following "Mat just ate 22 tacos." "Mat just finished his 6th Philly Cheesesteak". Way to take care of yourself in the offseason. Sounds like he is on the Austin Kearns plan.

JB12
01-30-2013, 10:41 AM
^

He definitely needs to work on his maturity, especially dealing with the strike zone. This is not uncommon with major league pitchers though, there are many hot heads out there. I think Mat will cool it down with time, and develop into a very good pitcher (not that he already isn't).

If I were an athlete, or someone under the spotlight, I would not subject myself to questions about my loyalty/work ethic via twitter. It makes me wonder how supportive he is of Dallas's twitter antics, considering he doesn't even have a twitter himself. I think it's a bit ridiculous if you ask me. Just let em play ball...

bigfunguy
01-30-2013, 12:12 PM
Anybody else remember with glee the Cardinals pitcher---Andujar I believe--blowing up in a WS game 7 about getting squeezed?? Good times...

Salukifan2
01-30-2013, 12:14 PM
Makes sense, ive always heard andujar was the inspiration behind Rick Vaughn

goreds2
01-30-2013, 01:10 PM
I hope all the starters are aces.

alwaysawarrior
01-30-2013, 02:50 PM
Does Mat get overly upset? Yes. But for me personally I kind of like some of his fire, he just needs to channel it better. He's not that old yet,let him grow and mature.

New York Red
01-30-2013, 05:31 PM
Does Mat get overly upset? Yes. But for me personally I kind of like some of his fire, he just needs to channel it better. He's not that old yet,let him grow and mature.
Exactly. I love the fact that he has that fire in his belly, and at age 24 he has a lot of time to learn to use it to his advantage.

Rock of Truth
01-30-2013, 05:33 PM
Exactly. I love the fact that he has that fire in his belly, and at age 24 he has a lot of time to learn to use it to his advantage.

October of 2012 would have been a good time to start.

New York Red
01-30-2013, 05:39 PM
October of 2012 would have been a good time to start.
Haha, indeed.

JB12
01-30-2013, 06:01 PM
Haha, indeed.

I know it's easy to ruminate on the bad and forget about the good, but remember Latos is the same guy that mowed down that Giants lineup in game #1 (in OCTOBER).

He started off great in game #5 as well, it wasn't until the 5th inning where he gave up those runs (6 to be exact). Yes, that inning was dark spot, on an otherwise good season in Cincinnati, however (in hindsight) we can't just sulk over the bad.

AintlifeGrande
01-30-2013, 06:20 PM
Is he going to stop throwing a fit on the mound in series deciding games? Remains to be seen. It just depends on his maturity. . . and probably his wife's too.

I like to see that fire in emotion in a pitcher.We have not had a Reds pitcher in quite some time with that passion.But if you want to equate that with ''throwing a fit''then go ahead.

Todd Gack
01-30-2013, 06:33 PM
I like to see that fire in emotion in a pitcher.We have not had a Reds pitcher in quite some time with that passion.But if you want to equate that with ''throwing a fit''then go ahead.

You missed the point. Anyone can have emotion. . . most players. He still hasn't learned how to harness it. He's immature and so is his wife and they both show. He'll mature at some point and I think it's sooner rather than later.

alwaysawarrior
01-31-2013, 09:55 AM
You missed the point. Anyone can have emotion. . . most players. He still hasn't learned how to harness it. He's immature and so is his wife and they both show. He'll mature at some point and I think it's sooner rather than later.

First off who cares if his wife is immature? I don't really care what she does as I never intend to pay to watch her do anything. Secondly I blame a large part of his blowup in the playoffs on Dusty, who managed with no sense of urgency. I was watching the game with my father and in that inning said, they better pull him, he's done he won't be able to get Posey out. Dusty managed that whole series with no urgency and did the same thing there. Mat lost his focus, but Dusty didn't do much to help the guy out.

Todd Gack
01-31-2013, 04:10 PM
First off who cares if his wife is immature? I don't really care what she does as I never intend to pay to watch her do anything. Secondly I blame a large part of his blowup in the playoffs on Dusty, who managed with no sense of urgency. I was watching the game with my father and in that inning said, they better pull him, he's done he won't be able to get Posey out. Dusty managed that whole series with no urgency and did the same thing there. Mat lost his focus, but Dusty didn't do much to help the guy out.

She seems like Doug Christie's wife. And that's not a good thing.

alwaysawarrior
01-31-2013, 05:04 PM
She seems like Doug Christie's wife. And that's not a good thing.

Again who cares....She's a 23 year old who probably feels overshadowed by her husband so she says stupid crap. As far as I know she's never been in any kind of trouble, and again I don't really care what she does as long as Mat is the one pitching.

Beatlessp
01-31-2013, 10:03 PM
Again who cares....She's a 23 year old who probably feels overshadowed by her husband so she says stupid crap. As far as I know she's never been in any kind of trouble, and again I don't really care what she does as long as Mat is the one pitching.

I have a Twitter...but I don't think I follow Dallas.....what have I missed that everybody on here hates her?

mattfeet
02-01-2013, 09:14 AM
I know it's easy to ruminate on the bad and forget about the good, but remember Latos is the same guy that mowed down that Giants lineup in game #1 (in OCTOBER).

He started off great in game #5 as well, it wasn't until the 5th inning where he gave up those runs (6 to be exact). Yes, that inning was dark spot, on an otherwise good season in Cincinnati, however (in hindsight) we can't just sulk over the bad.

I agree. Mat was not the reason we got swept at home by the Giants. Until that 5th inning, I'd almost crown him the Reds' MVP for the division series. Yes, he might be a bit immature at times, but he also brings a "Don't mess with me" attitude to the mound which I, for one, LOVE. Mat is going to be a huge piece of this team moving forward and I cannot wait.

mattfeet
02-01-2013, 09:16 AM
I have a Twitter...but I don't think I follow Dallas.....what have I missed that everybody on here hates her?

I don't hate her at all. She's just a very opinionated mid-20's smart girl that has the drama associated with that description. It rubs some people the wrong way, and it can get trying at times, but overall I think she's worth the follow. She does interact with the fans, writes her own Reds' blog, and puts herself out there, which I have to give her credit for doing.

-Matt

Goose
02-01-2013, 12:55 PM
Yes he definitely can, will he? It would be great and I think his odds are good.

JB12
02-01-2013, 04:10 PM
I agree. Mat was not the reason we got swept at home by the Giants. Until that 5th inning, I'd almost crown him the Reds' MVP for the division series. Yes, he might be a bit immature at times, but he also brings a "Don't mess with me" attitude to the mound which I, for one, LOVE. Mat is going to be a huge piece of this team moving forward and I cannot wait.

I agree, I love the fire, BUT when I see this on coming from another pitcher, I LOATHE it.

I remember watching Mat pitch against the Reds in 2010 (@ San Diego) and remember thinking at the time he was a punk. Gomes hit a blast in the left field warehouse seats that gave the Reds the lead and Latos stared him down as he rounded the bases.
:laugh:

REDREAD
02-01-2013, 05:36 PM
You missed the point. Anyone can have emotion. . . most players. He still hasn't learned how to harness it. He's immature and so is his wife and they both show. He'll mature at some point and I think it's sooner rather than later.

Yep, most 24 year olds still have some growing up to do. I imagine it's even harder when you are a major leaguer.

I'll be interested to see what kind of start Latos gets off to this year. He's known for having a horrible first 4 weeks.. I wonder if he'll start strong this year.. The Reds made some adjustments to him last year.. They told him to stop using one of his pitches (which was mediocre and getting hit hard), then Matt took off. Hopefully he carries over the success to April 2013. It would be great to get off to a good start.

But as far as the original question, I consider Latos an ace now. Cueto too.

Sir Luke
02-06-2013, 01:32 PM
Latos WILL turn into an ace caliber pitcher. He is still second string to Cueto though.

Blood Red Path
02-08-2013, 03:57 PM
You could make the argument Latos is already an "ace" type pitcher. He pitched an entire season without missing a start, pitching in one of the worst ballparks for a pitcher, lost only four games and ended with a 3.48 ERA. Both his WAR (4.2) and WHIP (1.161) finished just outside the top ten of all MLB pitchers. I don't think being the #1 starter has anything to do with being an "ace", since a lot of teams have no ace and several teams have more than one. I guess it's all in the definition.
^^
This.

If by "become an ace" you mean take over the team's first spot in the rotation, then no, probably not. That spot is Ceuto's.

If by "become an ace" you mean become a guy who can be relied on to be the stopper and consistently bring nasty, top-of-the-rotation caliber stuff that makes hitters look bad and routinely puts the team in a position to win, then I would argue that Latos is already that kind of pitcher and doesn't need to "become" it.

Captain13
02-08-2013, 05:42 PM
^^
This.

If by "become an ace" you mean take over the team's first spot in the rotation, then no, probably not. That spot is Ceuto's.

If by "become an ace" you mean become a guy who can be relied on to be the stopper and consistently bring nasty, top-of-the-rotation caliber stuff that makes hitters look bad and routinely puts the team in a position to win, then I would argue that Latos is already that kind of pitcher and doesn't need to "become" it.

^^What he said.^^

LukeSho
02-18-2013, 02:36 AM
I think part of Latos continuing to mature will be evident in how he starts outs out in April the next 2 seasons. He's been really slow to get going at the beginning of the year, and I think we'll start to see more consistency out of Mat from start to finish as he keeps progressing.

BlackPete Ibold
02-18-2013, 11:07 AM
Wow, between Latos and Chapman it (according to sources) it is a miracle the Reds don't crumble like a weak reality show contestant <sarcasm>


Latos is young and acted his age when he was even younger. Yes, he needs to mature, but he (along with Chappy) has been doing so in front of our eyes.

ILatos was aquired to be an ace, and I think he is well on his way. I just hope it happens in 2013

Cicero2.0
02-19-2013, 10:57 AM
With or without Chapman there is much to love about our rotation. I live 80 miles east of Pittsburgh and most of my friends are Pirate fans. They call our rotation a murderers row. I never thought I would hear a Reds rotation referred to that way. :)

LukeSho
02-19-2013, 04:28 PM
With or without Chapman there is much to love about our rotation.

The fact that we have so much depth going into this season is what's most encouraging to me. We have 6 MLB starters plus a few wild card guys who have a chance to prove something in the minors. I feel much more confident about our depth than I did last year, because there's no way we completely avoid injury again.

holster10
02-20-2013, 11:38 AM
Latos has got a thing or two to learn yet as he came completely unraveled in the game 5 playoff start vs. san fran. No doubt he has the physical talent though.

dougdirt
02-20-2013, 02:56 PM
Latos has got a thing or two to learn yet as he came completely unraveled in the game 5 playoff start vs. san fran. No doubt he has the physical talent though.

I never understand things like this. One game does not make a pattern.

LukeSho
02-20-2013, 03:11 PM
I never understand things like this. One game does not make a pattern.

Not to mention he clearly should have been pulled much before the time Posey came to bat, and had pitched an very good game prior to that point

Girevik
02-20-2013, 04:08 PM
...and had pitched an very good game prior to that point

To me that's the biggest problem. He was pitching a great game and totally lost his mind because of on call from the umpire.

Granted, one time doesn't make a pattern, but he came to Cincy with this reputation. This was just the first time we've really seen it.

SweetLou1990
02-20-2013, 07:04 PM
Does Mat get overly upset? Yes. But for me personally I kind of like some of his fire, he just needs to channel it better. He's not that old yet,let him grow and mature.

I'm not giving him a free pass. Game 5 is not the time to be a punk.

holster10
02-20-2013, 09:01 PM
I am a huge Latos fan but go back and look at the Latos start boxscores for the first few months of the season. It wasn't the first time he imploded this season. That's all I am going to say, looking forward to 2013. Cheers.....

Girevik
02-21-2013, 09:52 AM
I am a huge Latos fan but go back and look at the Latos start boxscores for the first few months of the season. It wasn't the first time he imploded this season. That's all I am going to say, looking forward to 2013. Cheers.....

Sure, he got off to a bad start and pitched some real stinkers, but were there other cases when we was cruising along and let something get into his head that lead to a blowup?

LukeSho
02-21-2013, 02:24 PM
I think the mental game with Latos is the biggest key to him becoming an ace. I think last year was a huge step in advancing past getting rattled by poor calls or bad brakes. Gaining playoff experience will contribute dramatically to his growth mentally, which I believe will lead to another huge step forward in his game this year.

Cicero2.0
03-04-2013, 04:46 PM
There is a good side and a bad side to being an intense player. More often that not it seems to serve Mat and the Reds well. Game 1 of the same playoff series is a great example of the upside of being an intense pitcher.

Beatlessp
03-06-2013, 09:48 PM
I'll give him a pass on Game 5 for two reasons: 1) Game 1.....enough said; 2) the series should have been over after Game 3, which wouldnt have afforded the opportunity for the Game 5 meltdown.

Besides, last year is last year....time to start looking forward to October '13!!

Rock of Truth
03-07-2013, 01:57 PM
Have not heard or seen a re-cap: How'd he pitch against Canada last night?

Vander
03-07-2013, 02:20 PM
Have not heard or seen a re-cap: How'd he pitch against Canada last night?

From John Fay's twitter:

Latos is probably done: 3 ip, 2 hits, 2 runs, 1 walk, 5 Ks. #Reds 7, Canada 2 after 2 1/2. #cincienquirer

There you go.

FloridaBuckeye
03-08-2013, 02:33 PM
First post since last season... and I'm too lazy to read this entire thread.

But.... according to MLB 13: The Show.... Latos is the Reds' ace.

Take it for what its worth