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Beatlessp
02-14-2013, 12:48 AM
i know its premature with at least one season left to pitch but these paragraphs really say a lot....and wow...he's the oldest person on the team at 36? I forget how young this team really is.

"Over his career, Arroyo has never been on the disabled list, nor missed a start. In every season since 2005, he's made at least 32 starts. His 233 starts since his 2006 trade from Boston to Cincinnati for Wily Mo Pena leads the National League. In 2010, he won a National League Gold Glove Award.

In seven of the past eight seasons, Arroyo has reached 200 innings. The one year he didn't was 2011 when he threw 199, and that was the year he was plagued by mononucleosis and a sore back"

the man has been a horse for this team.....in good times and bad. I know a lot of people don't because of whatever reasons.....I like Bronson...glad he's been with the team

bigredmechanism
02-14-2013, 01:00 AM
If we win a WS with him on the team and contributing, yes.

If not, probably not.


the man has been a horse for this team.....in good times and bad. I know a lot of people don't because of whatever reasons.....I like Bronson...glad he's been with the team

Most definitely. In hindsight, he was a huge pickup for us. I absolutely HATED that trade then, mostly because I hated his stupid cornrows.

kaldaniels
02-14-2013, 01:07 AM
I'd say yes, and an easy choice at that for me.

5 years ago I would have thought I'd be crazy for saying this, but Arroyo has risen above Harang on the totem pole of Reds starters.

Go back 25 years. (1988-present) Who are the starters that have had decent success for over 5 years for the Reds?

Off the top of my head...Rijo, Harang, Arroyo, and Cueto.

R_Webb18
02-14-2013, 01:15 AM
I mean its the Reds hof so id say yes

LukeSho
02-14-2013, 02:21 AM
I mean its the Reds hof so id say yes

Hey now, it's nothing to sneeze at. We've got greats. Arroyo has been a workhorse, and if he can help us get a ring I think it's a no brainer. Otherwise I'm doubtful. His number haven't been stellar enough.

cumberlandreds
02-14-2013, 08:49 AM
Reds HOF, yes. The Reds haven't had too many better pitchers in the last 20 years. He's done everything you have asked of him. If he can help them get to World Series it will be an even more easy vote for him.

Captain13
02-14-2013, 09:53 AM
Go back 25 years. (1988-present) Who are the starters that have had decent success for over 5 years for the Reds?

Off the top of my head...Rijo, Harang, Arroyo, and Cueto.

Rijo was awesome. Harang really only had three or four really good years, he followed those up with a league leading 17 losses, and Cueto although being on the roster 5 years, really only blossomed the last three. So going back to the end of Mario Soto's career the best five-year pitchers the Reds have had are easily Rijo and Arroyo.

Yes, I think Bronson is a Reds Hall of Famer. No, I don't think it's close.

90reds
02-14-2013, 12:08 PM
Yes, if only because I still listed to Red Hooded Sweatshirt on loop and crack up every time.

90reds
02-14-2013, 12:09 PM
In all seriousness though, the guy is definitely a Reds HOFer. One of the few bright spots from 2006-2010, and a fun guy to cheer for

George Anderson
02-14-2013, 12:17 PM
If Wayne Granger is in the Reds HOF then Arroyo is a no brainer.

coachpipe
02-14-2013, 12:46 PM
I think its a no brainer IMO. Hes been great in his years with the Reds. And like a few other posters said, he was one of the very few bright spots from the hard to watch teams of 2006-2010. Maybe it was the great defense of Dunn and company though that inflated his numbers

Vander
02-14-2013, 03:02 PM
If you're only considering stats, then no. Arroyo has been a solid innings eater, but has never really been a stopper by any definition (except 2006).

However, when talking about the Reds' Hall, I guess you need to consider how much a guy means to a community and an organization, as well as general popularity. On all of those counts he qualifies, so I'd say yes...

Kilgore_Trout
02-14-2013, 03:51 PM
I don't think there really is much of a question. As multiple posters have said, there just haven't been many Reds pitchers over the last two-plus decades that have had consistent, positive production like Bronson (aside from maybe a couple of iffy seasons). Statistics aside, this is a guy that has been a loyal teammate, a positive clubhouse presence, and a workhorse in every sense of the word. A true Reds Hall of Famer, without a doubt.

That said, it would be really nice to send him off with a World Series victory if he is indeed destined to part ways following the conclusion of this season. He has stuck it out with some pretty “meh” teams over the years, and it would be nice to reward his loyalty and leadership with an historical October.

BlackPete Ibold
02-14-2013, 06:04 PM
Arroyo has been a fixture on a team that hasn't had many.

Solid numbers over a long enough stretch of time can mean as much (or more) than one or two seasons of really good numbers, at least in terms of what it can mean to a single franchise.

Arroyo would have to get my vote for the Reds HoF... but maybe not the first ballot ;)

UPRedsFan
02-14-2013, 07:14 PM
I'd say yes, and an easy choice at that for me.

5 years ago I would have thought I'd be crazy for saying this, but Arroyo has risen above Harang on the totem pole of Reds starters.

Go back 25 years. (1988-present) Who are the starters that have had decent success for over 5 years for the Reds?

Off the top of my head...Rijo, Harang, Arroyo, and Cueto.

I'd add Browning to your list. But, yes I agree Arroyo is among the top 5 starters for certain in the last 25 yrs. Heck I'd even narrow it to those with success for 3 consecutive years and he'd be on the list.

goreds2
02-15-2013, 08:59 AM
He is in. Love his honesty in saying Chapman should stay in the bullpen. Also, how many pitchers do a TV interview after they LOSE a game? A stand up guy for sure. I wonder if he would consider pitching in the WBC?

DGullett35
02-15-2013, 03:38 PM
Id say yes. Hes been pretty productive and is alwasy gonna take the ball every 5th day. He also is pretty guaranteed to win at least 10 games a year. He seems to be getting better with age. I wouldnt mind having him for a couple more years if the money is right.

nheath22
02-15-2013, 04:48 PM
My favorite statistic last year which was announced during a FSN broadcast was about Arroyo stating that "Arroyo has the most wins of any NL pitcher from 2008-2012." When you have the most wins for any pitcher over a 5 year stretch, that is consistency and shows why he belongs in the Reds HOF to me.

Captain13
02-15-2013, 05:39 PM
My favorite statistic last year which was announced during a FSN broadcast was about Arroyo stating that "Arroyo has the most wins of any NL pitcher from 2008-2012." When you have the most wins for any pitcher over a 5 year stretch, that is consistency and shows why he belongs in the Reds HOF to me.

Along those same lines, would you believe that Arroyo has more wins in a Reds uniform than either Rijo or Harang and with 10 wins this season he would pass Mario Soto, who won exactly 100 games in his career?

The winningest pitcher in the last 30 years for the Reds was none other than Tom Browning with 123 wins in 11 years (11.18/season). Bronson has 91 through 7 seasons (13/season). Bronson will also likely bcome only the 10th pitcher to strike out 1000 batters as a Red. I think he may be the most under-appreciated player the Reds have had in a long, long time.

New York Red
02-15-2013, 05:57 PM
Statistically speaking, I'd say no. But the Reds HOF is also based on sentiment and intangibles, and for those reasons I'd definitely say yes.

BlackPete Ibold
02-15-2013, 08:27 PM
Statistically speaking, I'd say no. But the Reds HOF is also based on sentiment and intangibles, and for those reasons I'd definitely say yes.



The above stats by Captain and Heath say different about the first part.

And the MLB HoF certainly isn't immune to sentiment and intangibles, nor should it be.



Not picking at you by any means, but I think the prevailing sentiment that you expressed is why the previous comment about Arroyo being the most under appreciated Red in decades has so much merit.

Arroyo has been above average to very good for a long, consistent stretch (as the stats cited show). He has also eaten innings and mass produced quality starts, which is a meaningful stat if 1/2 your games are in gabp.

And in terms of the Reds HoF, as has also been noted, the competition is not exactly stellar when it comes to starting pitchers. Arroyo, for good or bad, is one of the best 5 starting pitchers for the Reds since the BRM, with a 3 yr window as a minimum comparison basis -- and better if you expand that window.

Trajinous
02-16-2013, 07:04 PM
No doubt, he belongs in the Red's HoF. The previous stats mention shows his steadiness that is becoming more and more rare these days. He also weathered some rough seasons while be his usual winning self. As a bright spot in a lowly and dark era, Arroyo was a glimmer of hope in a destopian past.

holster10
02-17-2013, 11:34 AM
yes, especially when you factor in how non-competitive many of the Reds teams were the first 4-5 years he pitched here.

Groujo
02-18-2013, 02:00 PM
I wondered how Bronson compares to other Reds HOF pitchers. I figured the best stat for measuring longevity, success, and value to the team is the old Wins stat.

Bronson is currently 22nd on the list of Reds wins (at 91). Of the 21 ahead of him, 19 of them are in the Reds HOF. Only Fred Dwyer (133) and Billy Rhines (96) have been overlooked among this group. Bronson has already passed Seaver, Billingham, Norman and other HOFers. Barring injury, Bronson will pass Rhines as well as Rijo (97) and Soto (100) in wins this year. I'd say he's a lock. Makes me wonder what Dwyer did to piss the voters off.

Groujo