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Benihana
03-31-2013, 09:57 PM
Who would you rather have in a Yahoo standard 5x5 league (both for this year and keeper purposes)?

1. Wil Myers
2. Oscar Taveras
3. Yasiel Puig
4. Jackie Bradley, Jr.
5. Billy Hamilton
6. Cameron Maybin (I know he's not a rookie)

A: Rank them in order of who would you rather have for this year?
B: Rank them in order for combined this year and keeper purposes.

Thanks.

Tornon
04-01-2013, 12:18 AM
Who would you rather have in a Yahoo standard 5x5 league (both for this year and keeper purposes)?

1. Wil Myers
2. Oscar Taveras
3. Yasiel Puig
4. Jackie Bradley, Jr.
5. Billy Hamilton
6. Cameron Maybin (I know he's not a rookie)

A: Rank them in order of who would you rather have for this year?
B: Rank them in order for combined this year and keeper purposes.

Thanks.

A: Maybin, Bradley, Myers, Taveras, Hamilton, Puig

B: Taveras, Myers, Puig, Maybin, Bradley, Hamilton

AtomicDumpling
04-01-2013, 02:47 PM
Who would you rather have in a Yahoo standard 5x5 league (both for this year and keeper purposes)?

1. Wil Myers
2. Oscar Taveras
3. Yasiel Puig
4. Jackie Bradley, Jr.
5. Billy Hamilton
6. Cameron Maybin (I know he's not a rookie)

A: Rank them in order of who would you rather have for this year?
B: Rank them in order for combined this year and keeper purposes.

Thanks.

Well Maybin is the only one of those guys who is likely to be a full-time player this year, but I don't like Maybin as a fantasy player for now nor the future. I am guessing there are better players than Maybin available on the waiver wire.

Bradley made the Opening Day roster for the Red Sox, but I imagine he will go back to the minors once David Ortiz returns in a couple of weeks. Bradley is a good prospect, but a large part of his game is defense, which doesn't help you in fantasy. Bradley will be a better real life player than fantasy player, but could still be a decent fantasy player too.

I believe Taveras and Myers will get called up in late May or early June and will be regulars the rest of the season.

A: Taveras, Myers, Bradley, Puig, Hamilton, Maybin

B: Taveras, Myers, Puig, Hamilton, Bradley, Maybin

redsfandan
04-02-2013, 05:48 AM
Well Maybin is the only one of those guys who is likely to be a full-time player this year, but I don't like Maybin as a fantasy player for now nor the future. I am guessing there are better players than Maybin available on the waiver wire.

A: Taveras, Myers, Bradley, Puig, Hamilton, Maybin

B: Taveras, Myers, Puig, Hamilton, Bradley, Maybin

Wow, what a hater. Maybin might not be what his scouting reports expected but he's a little better than that.

A: Taveras, Myers, Maybin, Bradley, Puig, Hamilton

B: Taveras, Myers, Puig, Hamilton, Maybin, Bradley

AtomicDumpling
04-02-2013, 09:41 PM
Wow, what a hater. Maybin might not be what his scouting reports expected but he's a little better than that.

A: Taveras, Myers, Maybin, Bradley, Puig, Hamilton

B: Taveras, Myers, Puig, Hamilton, Maybin, Bradley

In my CBS league we have 12 teams with 32 man rosters. That means 384 players are taken. Maybin is on the Free Agent list.

In my three Yahoo leagues with 12 teams and 30-man rosters he is taken in all of them, but he is ranked #219 by Yahoo. Not exactly a sought-after player. He is serviceable in an emergency, but not someone you should plan to keep on your team for any length of time.

Will M
04-02-2013, 10:50 PM
I too think Maybin's ship has sailed. I'd rather try Domonic Brown, Starling Marte or Leonys Martin.

Taveras's ceiling is Vlad Guerrero

Myers ceiling is Jay Bruce

not sure about Puig or Bradley

AtomicDumpling
04-03-2013, 01:43 AM
I too think Maybin's ship has sailed. I'd rather try Domonic Brown, Starling Marte or Leonys Martin.


If Domonic Brown is available I would much rather have him than Maybin. I would rather have Marte and Martin too, but I am not big fans of them either. Of this group, Brown is the only one with star potential.

redsfandan
04-04-2013, 09:01 AM
Whether a player is available or not in a fantasy baseball league doesn't mean the player will or won't have a good year or that he'll be more 'valuable' than another guy. What it does mean is that a taken player is more likely to be more valuable OR that there's more 'buzz' about him (which can play a big part in how 'owned' a rookie/prospect is or a post-hype guy is). But, if that's the entirety of your thinking (how owned a player is) than it doesn't mean much to me.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Maybin was the most valuable of all of that bunch in fbb for the entire 2013 season. I'm not saying he will be but just that I wouldn't be surprised.

Taveras = Vlad 2.0? Doubt it. Vlad was a 5 tool guy, Taveras is more of a 4 - 4 1/2 tool guy.

Myers = Bruce 2.0? Maybe

Puig? If he's lucky maybe another Soriano.

Bradley? Pagan? Now, THAT'S the kind of guy AD likes.

Lastly, I'd rather have Marte than Brown.

AtomicDumpling
04-07-2013, 10:28 PM
Whether a player is available or not in a fantasy baseball league doesn't mean the player will or won't have a good year or that he'll be more 'valuable' than another guy. What it does mean is that a taken player is more likely to be more valuable OR that there's more 'buzz' about him (which can play a big part in how 'owned' a rookie/prospect is or a post-hype guy is). But, if that's the entirety of your thinking (how owned a player is) than it doesn't mean much to me.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Maybin was the most valuable of all of that bunch in fbb for the entire 2013 season. I'm not saying he will be but just that I wouldn't be surprised.

Taveras = Vlad 2.0? Doubt it. Vlad was a 5 tool guy, Taveras is more of a 4 - 4 1/2 tool guy.

Myers = Bruce 2.0? Maybe

Puig? If he's lucky maybe another Soriano.

Bradley? Pagan? Now, THAT'S the kind of guy AD likes.

Lastly, I'd rather have Marte than Brown.

Yeah, the only thing that matters to me is how owned a player is. :rolleyes:

nmculbreth
04-08-2013, 01:03 AM
Billy Hamilton isn't getting nearly enough love here. While many of the rest of the guys on the list are more well rounded, Hamilton's speed may be enough to win you an entire category and provide enough runs to be a plus performer there too.

Taveras and Myers have higher fantasy ceilings but I think Hamilton's floor (from a fantasy perspective) is higher than both of those two.

Tornon
04-09-2013, 01:24 AM
Billy Hamilton isn't getting nearly enough love here. While many of the rest of the guys on the list are more well rounded, Hamilton's speed may be enough to win you an entire category and provide enough runs to be a plus performer there too.

Taveras and Myers have higher fantasy ceilings but I think Hamilton's floor (from a fantasy perspective) is higher than both of those two.

Adding in this year to the analysis is taking a lot of the wind out of Hamilton's sails. You won't really be able to count on much of Hamilton at all this year, except for maybe a handful of atbats. I fully expect Myers to get 300 at bats this year, and if one of the old people on the Cardinals falls over, Taveras could have the same thing come his way. I don't see any way Hamilton gets close to 300 at bats.

Benihana
04-09-2013, 11:18 AM
So Maybin or Bradley for THIS year?

Tornon
04-09-2013, 11:09 PM
So Maybin or Bradley for THIS year?

I'd go Maybin, he has more power & I'm not convinced the playing time will be there for Bradley in a month

redsfandan
04-10-2013, 05:28 AM
Yeah, the only thing that matters to me is how owned a player is. :rolleyes:

Ya know, I'd expect that isn't the only thing that matters to you. The problem is that's all you talked about in your previous post.

Benihana
04-10-2013, 10:31 AM
So, a little update...I picked up Ichiro off the waiver wire and dropped the much-balleyhooed Cameron Maybin. Now my situation is this:

OF Trout
OF Stanton
OF Fowler
OF Ichiro
DH?

BN Belt
BN Alvarez
BN Bradley Jr.
BN Myers
BN Puig
BN Profar

Alejandro de Aza is out there on the waiver wire. Do I pick him up and drop Ichiro? Bradley? Puig? Belt?

AtomicDumpling
04-10-2013, 12:56 PM
Ya know, I'd expect that isn't the only thing that matters to you. The problem is that's all you talked about in your previous post.

Which was an addendum to a previous post where I discussed many things, yet you chose to mischaracterize my thoughts on Maybin.

So far Maybin has been terrible again this year. There are likely several outfielders on the Free Agent list in every league that are better options than Maybin. He is a bad player on a team that plays in a terrible hitters' park.

EDIT: He replaced Maybin with a superior option in Ichiro, and now hopefully de Aza.

AtomicDumpling
04-10-2013, 01:01 PM
So, a little update...I picked up Ichiro off the waiver wire and dropped the much-balleyhooed Cameron Maybin. Now my situation is this:

OF Trout
OF Stanton
OF Fowler
OF Ichiro
DH?

BN Belt
BN Alvarez
BN Bradley Jr.
BN Myers
BN Puig
BN Profar

Alejandro de Aza is out there on the waiver wire. Do I pick him up and drop Ichiro? Bradley? Puig? Belt?

Alejandro de Aza should definitely be picked up! Quickly! Drop Ichiro.

Good move getting rid of Maybin. de Aza is 10x the player Maybin will ever be, especially if he stays in San Diego.

How many players can you keep each year in your league? Knowing that would help us decide which players should be considered as keepers or guys that could be dropped for players that can help your team now.

Benihana
04-10-2013, 01:20 PM
Alejandro de Aza should definitely be picked up! Quickly! Drop Ichiro.

Good move getting rid of Maybin. de Aza is 10x the player Maybin will ever be, especially if he stays in San Diego.

How many players can you keep each year in your league? Knowing that would help us decide which players should be considered as keepers or guys that could be dropped for players that can help your team now.

Can keep 3. Realistically, that means Stanton (7th rounder next year) and Trout (11th rounder next year) + one more. Rizzo, Myers, Puig, Profar, and Shelby Miller are the most likely candidates for the last spot. I also dropped Bradley today. Thanks!

redsfandan
04-10-2013, 03:03 PM
Which was an addendum to a previous post where I discussed many things, yet you chose to mischaracterize my thoughts on Maybin. ...

Sure, AD, whatever you want to believe.

Tornon
04-10-2013, 10:43 PM
I think the hate for Maybin has gone a little far here. I don't think he's as bad as he's being portrayed

nmculbreth
04-10-2013, 11:54 PM
Adding in this year to the analysis is taking a lot of the wind out of Hamilton's sails. You won't really be able to count on much of Hamilton at all this year, except for maybe a handful of atbats. I fully expect Myers to get 300 at bats this year, and if one of the old people on the Cardinals falls over, Taveras could have the same thing come his way. I don't see any way Hamilton gets close to 300 at bats.

I suppose that is fair.

I guess from my point of view if you're looking for production this year I'm not sure that any of these guys are a great bet, because even if a guy like Myers gets called up by June there is no guarantee he is going to hit enough to be more valuable this year than some of the replacement level talents, like De Aza, currently on the waiver wire.

I simply assumed that if you're looking at the likes of Taveras, Myers and Hamilton that you're making a long play for 2014 and beyond.

Benihana
04-11-2013, 11:28 AM
So I didn't win the claim on De Aza. I'm going to stick with an OF of Trout-Stanton-Fowler-Ichiro, and a DH of Kendrys Morales (who I picked up after losing out on De Aza) Alvarez, Myers, and Puig are on the bench as support.

If Myers or Puig get called up and start swinging the bat, I can bench Ichiro or move him to DH. In addition, if/when Alvarez figures things out he can compete with Morales for the DH role as well. Thanks to everyone for your advice!

(The only decent alternative to the above options that is available is Lorenzo Cain. Would any of you want Cain or Bradley Jr. instead of the guys I mentioned above?)

AtomicDumpling
04-11-2013, 06:53 PM
So I didn't win the claim on De Aza. I'm going to stick with an OF of Trout-Stanton-Fowler-Ichiro, and a DH of Kendrys Morales (who I picked up after losing out on De Aza) Alvarez, Myers, and Puig are on the bench as support.

If Myers or Puig get called up and start swinging the bat, I can bench Ichiro or move him to DH. In addition, if/when Alvarez figures things out he can compete with Morales for the DH role as well. Thanks to everyone for your advice!

(The only decent alternative to the above options that is available is Lorenzo Cain. Would any of you want Cain or Bradley Jr. instead of the guys I mentioned above?)

I would likely pick up Cain and drop Puig. A lot of people like Cain and think he will be good if he can stay healthy for once. Puig is unlikely to get much if any playing time this year. I am not a big fan of using roster spots on minor leaguers in re-draft leagues. Guys like Taveras and Myers are worth it because they are elite prospects and are likely to get a lot of playing time this year. Puig and Bradley not so much. Maybe pick up Cain and keep an eye on the waiver wire for an upgrade.

Benihana
04-23-2013, 09:56 AM
So De Aza is back on the waiver wire, and I'm putting in a claim (dropping Puig). Don't yet have a great sense of who I really want to play between De Aza, Ichiro, and K.Morales (I can play 2 of the 3). I also have W.Myers and C.Hart who should both be back in the lineup by Memorial Day.

Still though, it doesn't look like Puig is going to crack the Dodgers lineup this year (barring injury) and I think de Aza is worth pouncing on. Please tell me if you disagree.

Couple other moves I've made since this thread was last active (in case anyone cares) is trading Shelby Miller straight up for Jered Weaver and picking up Cingrani (dropping Marcum). I figured rookie pitchers are so volatile it's best to cash in on Miller's success now.

Benihana
04-24-2013, 02:56 PM
Would you guys still drop Ichiro for De Aza?

AtomicDumpling
04-25-2013, 01:28 AM
Would you guys still drop Ichiro for De Aza?

Yes, I would.

Nice trade of Miller for Weaver too.

redsfandan
04-28-2013, 02:48 AM
I would likely pick up Cain and drop Puig. A lot of people like Cain and think he will be good if he can stay healthy for once. Puig is unlikely to get much if any playing time this year. I am not a big fan of using roster spots on minor leaguers in re-draft leagues. Guys like Taveras and Myers are worth it because they are elite prospects and are likely to get a lot of playing time this year. Puig and Bradley not so much. Maybe pick up Cain and keep an eye on the waiver wire for an upgrade.

I'm curious, AD, and I want to make sure I understand you correctly. Do you think that those two have similar ceilings? Cuz I think Puig has a much higher ceiling than Bradley and that Puig could be viewed as an elite prospect pretty soon.

AtomicDumpling
04-29-2013, 01:59 AM
I'm curious, AD, and I want to make sure I understand you correctly. Do you think that those two have similar ceilings? Cuz I think Puig has a much higher ceiling than Bradley and that Puig could be viewed as an elite prospect pretty soon.

Puig is a better fantasy prospect than Bradley. Much of Bradley's value lies in his defense, which doesn't matter for fantasy. Puig is a good prospect, but not an elite prospect in my opinion, especially after his arrest yesterday.

Since Benihana said his league only allows three players to be kept as keepers, I don't think either Puig nor Bradley are worth rostering as potential keepers. Myers and Taveras possibly could be if he doesn't have any star players on his team.

redsfandan
04-29-2013, 05:05 AM
Puig is a better fantasy prospect than Bradley. Much of Bradley's value lies in his defense, which doesn't matter for fantasy. Puig is a good prospect, but not an elite prospect in my opinion, especially after his arrest yesterday.

Since Benihana said his league only allows three players to be kept as keepers, I don't think either Puig nor Bradley are worth rostering as potential keepers. Myers and Taveras possibly could be if he doesn't have any star players on his team.

I hope you're kidding.

AtomicDumpling
04-30-2013, 04:59 AM
I hope you're kidding.

Nope, I don't think he is an elite prospect. None of the prospecting gurus had him ranked in their Top 25 prospects. ESPN didn't even have him in the Top 100. Fangraphs had him #99.

The arrest is not the reason why I said that. The arrest should hold him back a bit, but won't affect his long term status too much, other than the fact it shows he is not too bright.

Puig had a great spring training that boosted his stock. He is a good prospect who may end up becoming a star, but there are quite a few prospects I would rather have.

redsfandan
04-30-2013, 07:28 AM
Nope, I don't think he is an elite prospect. None of the prospecting gurus had him ranked in their Top 25 prospects. ESPN didn't even have him in the Top 100. Fangraphs had him #99.

The arrest is not the reason why I said that. The arrest should hold him back a bit, but won't affect his long term status too much, other than the fact it shows he is not too bright.

Puig had a great spring training that boosted his stock. He is a good prospect who may end up becoming a star, but there are quite a few prospects I would rather have.

My post was about how you felt about his arrest. That's why that part was underlined.

I don't think the arrest means much if it's an isolated incident. And I get that you don't think he's an elite prospect. Right now I'd agree. But, I do think that could change in the next few months. We'll see.

AtomicDumpling
05-01-2013, 02:18 AM
My post was about how you felt about his arrest. That's why that part was underlined.

I don't think the arrest means much if it's an isolated incident. And I get that you don't think he's an elite prospect. Right now I'd agree. But, I do think that could change in the next few months. We'll see.

Yes he could definitely become an elite prospect. He is one to keep an eye on for sure.

Benihana
05-04-2013, 12:44 PM
Josh Reddick, Gerardo Parra, Justin Morneau or Kendry Morales?

How would you rank going forward for just this season?

AtomicDumpling
05-04-2013, 09:06 PM
Josh Reddick, Gerardo Parra, Justin Morneau or Kendry Morales?

How would you rank going forward for just this season?

Morneau, Parra, Morales, Reddick.

Morneau is finally healthy and he is a very good hitter when healthy.

I have always liked Parra but his problem has always been playing time. He is playing well, but his playing time could be reduced when the DBacks get all their OFers back on the field.

Morales is pretty good. Reddick has power but he will be a drain on AVG.

redsfandan
06-09-2013, 12:17 AM
Whether a player is available or not in a fantasy baseball league doesn't mean the player will or won't have a good year or that he'll be more 'valuable' than another guy. What it does mean is that a taken player is more likely to be more valuable OR that there's more 'buzz' about him (which can play a big part in how 'owned' a rookie/prospect is or a post-hype guy is). But, if that's the entirety of your thinking (how owned a player is) than it doesn't mean much to me.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Maybin was the most valuable of all of that bunch in fbb for the entire 2013 season. I'm not saying he will be but just that I wouldn't be surprised.

Taveras = Vlad 2.0? Doubt it. Vlad was a 5 tool guy, Taveras is more of a 4 - 4 1/2 tool guy.

Myers = Bruce 2.0? Maybe

Puig? If he's lucky maybe another Soriano.

Bradley? Pagan? Now, THAT'S the kind of guy AD likes.

Lastly, I'd rather have Marte than Brown.

And Dom hits his 19th homer ... before the all-star break (heck, in only 63 games). I can honestly say that I didn't expect this.

Benihana
06-11-2013, 02:34 PM
Uhh, what about Mr. Puig?

LoganBuck
06-11-2013, 05:29 PM
Uhh, what about Mr. Puig?

Interesting move in our keeper league. Guy just traded Puig straight up for Stanton.

redsfandan
06-12-2013, 03:25 AM
Interesting move in our keeper league. Guy just traded Puig straight up for Stanton.

That's interesting. I went in another direction. I accepted a trade proposal of Felix and a 1st round pick next year for Puig. This was right after his 1st game and before he started his homer binge and my starting pitching was a little uncertain after the first 2-3 guys so I felt I had a need there. And the pick could be one of the top 3 picks in a dynasty league. So, I got an elite starting pitcher and (what should be) an elite prospect for Puig. I'll take that. There's no way I could've predicted what he'd do. Who would've. But, now with his last week, a Puig owner could probably name his price. RIGHT NOW is the perfect time to sell high if another team is willing to pay the price.