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reds700
04-15-2013, 09:12 PM
Pitching to Utley with some guy named Ben Revere on deck is grounds for termination.

EMAW
04-15-2013, 09:14 PM
Pitching to Utley with some guy named Ben Revere on deck is grounds for termination.

So you put the tying run on and face the lead run?

reds700
04-15-2013, 09:34 PM
I was being facetious, but Dusty did the only thing that could lose that game. You could walk him and pitch to a guy with no power or bring in Chapman. Arroyo is a pitcher that loses it quick. You have to know that if you are the manager.

cincyredway
04-15-2013, 09:36 PM
With out a doubt, no way can u let utley beat u in that situation...revere has0 career homers and 0 extra base hits this season, u make revere beat u .

EMAW
04-15-2013, 09:39 PM
With out a doubt, no way can u let utley beat u in that situation...revere has0 career homers and 0 extra base hits this season, u make revere beat u .

So you intentionally walk Chase "Bonds" Utley?

reds700
04-15-2013, 09:43 PM
So you intentionally walk Chase "Bonds" Utley?

Why not? The guy on deck has about zero chance to beat you with one swing and if he does manage to hit a single to get within a run you still have a rested Chapman in your back pocket.

cincyredway
04-15-2013, 09:51 PM
I absolutely walk utley in that situation. And chapman should have been ready in case utley came to bat . No way can u let arroyo pitch to utley.

The Operator
04-15-2013, 09:58 PM
Please don't make a habit of starting reactionary threads over one decision or at-bat during a game.

If you want Dusty fired for his overall body of work, feel free to start a thread about that and list the reasons why. But discussion of individual moments during the game are for Game Threads.

Please remember that moving forward.

reds700
04-15-2013, 10:07 PM
Please don't make a habit of starting reactionary threads over one decision or at-bat during a game.

If you want Dusty fired for his overall body of work, feel free to start a thread about that and list the reasons why. But discussion of individual moments during the game are for Game Threads.

Please remember that moving forward.

If I was allowed to post in game threads then I would post in them. Part of my enjoyment of message boards is being allowed to post in game threads but I cannot on this site for some reason.

Just read the new rules and it appears I just need 50 posts. Good deal. The old procedure was frustrating.

xsteve1
04-15-2013, 10:19 PM
Never put the go ahead run at the plate or the tying on base. Pretty much baseball 101. Unless Pujols is coming to the plate.

reds700
04-15-2013, 10:26 PM
Never put the go ahead run at the plate or the tying on base. Pretty much baseball 101. Unless Pujols is coming to the plate.

I would normally agree with you but it was on odd circumstance bc the on deck guy has never homered in his career and apparently had no extra base hits all year. In about every other situation I would agree with you.

Boss-Hog
04-15-2013, 10:30 PM
If I was allowed to post in game threads then I would post in them. Part of my enjoyment of message boards is being allowed to post in game threads but I cannot on this site for some reason.

Just read the new rules and it appears I just need 50 posts. Good deal. The old procedure was frustrating.

You can post in the Sun Deck Game Threads sub-forum. If you must make knee jerk posts like this (and believe me, you don't have to, nor do they generally lead to quality discussion), they're better served there than in a new thread.

R_Webb18
04-15-2013, 10:43 PM
Could we yes. Will we no. Also I don't walk thy tying run.

RedFanAlways1966
04-16-2013, 07:27 AM
I would normally agree with you but it was on odd circumstance bc the on deck guy has never homered in his career and apparently had no extra base hits all year. In about every other situation I would agree with you.

Really? And I am sure you also knew that Utley hits a HR off fo Arroyo every time he faces him. Do share that crystal ball you possess when the next PowerBall drawing is held.

An intentional walk to bring the go ahead run to the plate? Hey, CubsZone just called and they miss you. Feel free to re-join them.

reds700
04-16-2013, 08:10 AM
Really? And I am sure you also knew that Utley hits a HR off fo Arroyo every time he faces him. Do share that crystal ball you possess when the next PowerBall drawing is held.

An intentional walk to bring the go ahead run to the plate? Hey, CubsZone just called and they miss you. Feel free to re-join them.


Yeah, because I have posted that I knew Utley was going to homer. The only bad thing that could have happened in that situation happened. Homer tied the game. When there are 2 outs and you have a guy like Chapman to fall back on I think you can afford to put the tying run on base. Virtually any other pitcher and probably not. There was no threat for the next guy to tie or take the lead as he has never homered in his career and had no extra base hits on the year. At the very worst you are looking at a 2-1 game with 2 outs and men on first and 2nd, possibly 1st and 3rd. Chapman would have been pitching to their weak hittting lefty 2nd baseman. I will take my chances in that situation vs Arroyo throwing to a very good lefty Chase Utley.

swaisuc
04-16-2013, 08:21 AM
No guarantee that Revere even bats there if we walk Utley. Also, even though he can't hit HRs, he can hit doubles which would tie the game after a walk.

If anything, it shows the need for Marshall. I think they would have trusted him with Utley in that spot.

lidspinner
04-16-2013, 08:47 AM
Never put the go ahead run at the plate or the tying on base. Pretty much baseball 101. Unless Pujols is coming to the plate.

you are correct, that is baseball 101.....but just like any unwritten baseball scheme, you always have situations where you go against the grain...for instance walking Barry bonds with the bases loaded when your up 3....and in this case of walking chase or bringing in chapman to face chase, you HAVE to do one or the other......

several here can vouch for me on this....I have complained for about 3 years now that Dusty refuses to use his closers for anything other than the 9th inning....that is pure and complete utter ignorance....your closer is the closer for one reason and one reason only, to close out the game and assure a win when you have the lead.....why in gods creation would Dusty not want to bring your lights out lefty closer in to face a lefty in the 8th inning??? its no different than him pitching to a few extra hitters in the 9th as opposed to him going 1-2-3 in the 9th....yes he has to get warm then sit for bottom half of the inning and he "might" have to bat....but you have the lead, so what if he is forced to bat.

Dusty has to change his theory on this situation, its hurt us in the past and it will hurt us in the future, simple as that......but we won so its all good....but that might not be the case next time...

for the record, I was the biggest dusty hater his first 2 years and I have grown to like him and I have grown to trust that he is the guy that will lead this team to a World Series Title....but he must evolve with the game.

RedTeamGo!
04-16-2013, 09:48 AM
Dusty is going nowhere.

RedFanAlways1966
04-16-2013, 10:09 AM
you are correct, that is baseball 101.....but just like any unwritten baseball scheme, you always have situations where you go against the grain...for instance walking Barry bonds with the bases loaded when your up 3....and in this case of walking chase or bringing in chapman to face chase, you HAVE to do one or the other......

Please do not confuse UTLEY with BONDS lol. Nobody in their right mind purposely puts the go-ahead run to the plate in the 8th inning... unless BONDS (the larger head one) or RUTH are hitting.

A manager wants to switch pitchers last night, then no problem from me. You want to allow the go-ahead run to bat in the 8th inning with an IBB before him, then find a new career.

reds700
04-16-2013, 10:37 AM
Please do not confuse UTLEY with BONDS lol. Nobody in their right mind purposely puts the go-ahead run to the plate in the 8th inning... unless BONDS (the larger head one) or RUTH are hitting.

A manager wants to switch pitchers last night, then no problem from me. You want to allow the go-ahead run to bat in the 8th inning with an IBB before him, then find a new career.

You take Arroyo pitching to Utley with one on. I will take Chapman pitching to Revere with 2 on. I like my chances of succeeding more often than you.

Vottomatic
04-16-2013, 12:06 PM
I bring in Chapman to face Utley.

Dusty watches the wheels fall off. The wheels everyone else in the world already see coming off. :D

RedFanAlways1966
04-16-2013, 12:34 PM
You take Arroyo pitching to Utley with one on. I will take Chapman pitching to Revere with 2 on. I like my chances of succeeding more often than you.

Why walk Utley?!? Bring Chapman in to pitch when they announce Utley as the hitter. Then Manuel probably takes down Utley to bring in a RH hitter to face Chapman. Then you have the tying run at the plate and not the go-ahead run! Sounds simple and less risky; hence, the reason MLB managers do it 99.8% of the time (big-headed BONDS and RUTH get the 0.2% factor lol). Or LH Utley faces LH Chapman and probably looks foolish.

You obviously have zero respect for Revere as a hitter. But what if Manuel PHs for him with two men on? Then you have the same RH pinch-hitter as described above, but as the go-ahead run instead of the tying run.

PTjvs
04-16-2013, 12:44 PM
You can make a legitimate argument to bring in Chapman, but anyone seriously arguing that the manager should have put the tying run on base just looks foolish.

jvs

RedTeamGo!
04-16-2013, 12:52 PM
You can make a legitimate argument to bring in Chapman, but anyone seriously arguing that the manager should have put the tying run on base just looks foolish.

jvs

I agree - you definitely do not walk the tying run. Chapman has to be in the game at the point.

Johnny Fan
04-16-2013, 01:00 PM
Has anyone ever asked Dusty why Chapman can only pitch the 9th? Why not bring him to face Utley and still pitch the ninth.

RedTeamGo!
04-16-2013, 01:33 PM
Has anyone ever asked Dusty why Chapman can only pitch the 9th? Why not bring him to face Utley and still pitch the ninth.

If anyone were to ask Dusty this question his answer would be "he is the closer."

After this answer Redszone would explode.

reds700
04-16-2013, 01:34 PM
Why walk Utley?!? Bring Chapman in to pitch when they announce Utley as the hitter. Then Manuel probably takes down Utley to bring in a RH hitter to face Chapman. Then you have the tying run at the plate and not the go-ahead run! Sounds simple and less risky; hence, the reason MLB managers do it 99.8% of the time (big-headed BONDS and RUTH get the 0.2% factor lol). Or LH Utley faces LH Chapman and probably looks foolish.

You obviously have zero respect for Revere as a hitter. But what if Manuel PHs for him with two men on? Then you have the same RH pinch-hitter as described above, but as the go-ahead run instead of the tying run.


Bringing in Chapman to face Utley would have been my first move, and was the obvious move. For some reason I thought I addressed that earlier.

Edit: I did address this in my 2nd post of this thread.

BigJohn
04-16-2013, 02:25 PM
good time to PLUNK Utley if you ask me.

You don't have to IW him but you certainly don't give him anything up that can be hit. That is on the pitcher and catcher.

RedTeamGo!
04-16-2013, 03:16 PM
good time to PLUNK Utley if you ask me.

You don't have to IW him but you certainly don't give him anything up that can be hit. That is on the pitcher and catcher.

How do you figure this would be a good time hit a batter? He did nothing wrong and all that would do is probably fire up the rest of the team. Maybe even the next inning they hit votto in the eye and end his season. How is hitting a batter in this scenario better than just walking him?:confused:

TDogg
04-16-2013, 07:08 PM
As a Cardinals fan, I hope Dusty retires in Cincy. Don Tony is still in Dusty's head even in the 2nd year of his retirement.

EMAW
04-16-2013, 07:47 PM
As a Cardinals fan, I hope Dusty retires in Cincy. Don Tony is still in Dusty's head even in the 2nd year of his retirement.

Questions for the turd bird fan
1. No St. Louis message boards for you to visit?
2. How did Tony do in the playoffs against Dusty?

nate
04-16-2013, 07:51 PM
good time to PLUNK Utley if you ask me.

No.

Raisor
04-16-2013, 08:16 PM
No.

Gordy would do it.

nate
04-16-2013, 09:08 PM
Gordy would do it.

Only if Utley had bacon.

boiseheidleberg
04-17-2013, 08:34 AM
What are Utley's career numbers against Arroyo?