Official 2013 Day 1 Draft Thread

[Gallen5862]

This is the Official 2013 Day 1 Draft thread.

[Benihana]

Killing me Gallen! Anyway, here is my wishlist for today:

PICK 27 (no particular order, guys I want at this spot):

Ian Clarkin LHP HS
Austin Wilson OF Stanford
Jon Denney C HS
Tim Anderson SS/2B JuCo
Billy McKinney OF HS
Sean Manaea LHP Indiana St.

PICK 38 (In my mind, this is the best spot to take a pitcher):

Rob Kaminsky LHP HS
Hunter Dozier INF Stephen F. Austin
Marco Gonzales LHP Gonzaga (I've come around a bit, but still don't want him at 27)
Phil Ervin OF Samford
Matt Krook LHP HS
Hunter Green LHP HS

PICK 67

Andrew Thurman RHP UC-Irvine
Riley Unroe SS HS
JaCoby Jones 2B LSU
Justin Williams OF HS
Cord Sandberg OF HS
Blake Taylor LHP HS

[RedTeamGo!]

Marco Gonzales is the pick!

(I am saying this so I can reference this post in about 9 hours when I am proven right!)

[Benihana]

Final BA Mock has Reds taking Ervin.

Other names mentioned are Harvey, T.Anderson, C.Anderson, Ciuffo, Jagielo, Denney, Green, and McKinney.

Ervin is interesting because he has a lot of "all-around skills." The pessimist in me worries about Ryan LaMarre and other polished CF types without a standout skill. Another comp for him could be an OF version of Rickie Weeks (great bat speed and athleticism).

[RedlegJake]

Given prior years it will be a guy mentioned mostly in passing and will first be panned and then reconsidered as more info is obtained. Gonzales seems a big reach at 27 or not reach but "play it safe" but I'd love him at 38. I'd rather grab the highest upside player still on the board in their opinion, hitter or pitcher, at 27. Manea will need labrum surgery more than likely from what I read on different sites. Plus he is represented by the evil Zurg. Ervin and then Gonzales would be great but it will almost certainly be 2 entirely different players. After about 10 picks there are a couple rounds worth of guys that I just feel are so close its impossible for outsiders to differentiate.

[Benihana]

Given prior years it will be a guy mentioned mostly in passing and will first be panned and then reconsidered as more info is obtained. Gonzales seems a big reach at 27 or not reach but "play it safe" but I'd love him at 38. I'd rather grab the highest upside player still on the board in their opinion, hitter or pitcher, at 27. Manea will need labrum surgery more than likely from what I read on different sites. Plus he is represented by the evil Zurg. Ervin and then Gonzales would be great but it will almost certainly be 2 entirely different players. After about 10 picks there are a couple rounds worth of guys that I just feel are so close its impossible for outsiders to differentiate.

Agree with all of this. If Manaea really needs labrum surgery, CROSS HIM OFF THEN. (Rachel Phelps voice)

[Tom Servo]

2012
Nick Travieso
RHP
Archbishop McCarthy High School, Fort Lauderdale

2011
Robert Stephenson
RHP
Alhambra High School

2010
Yasmani Grandal
C
Miami

2009
Mike Leake
RHP
Arizona State

2008
Yonder Alonso
1B
Univ. of Miami (Fla.)

In Walt and Chris Buckley I trust.

[bubbachunk]

What time does it start?

[RedlegJake]

That's a solid run of top picks with only Nick still an unknown quantity but still with very high hopes. They've nailed it 5 years running....that is pretty amazing given the flop rate even for #1s.

[RedlegJake]

What time does it start?

7 cst 6 prepick show on mlb network

[fearofpopvol1]

Killing me Gallen! Anyway, here is my wishlist for today:

PICK 27 (no particular order, guys I want at this spot):

Ian Clarkin LHP HS
Austin Wilson OF Stanford
Jon Denney C HS
Tim Anderson SS/2B JuCo
Billy McKinney OF HS
Sean Manaea LHP Indiana St.

PICK 38 (In my mind, this is the best spot to take a pitcher):

Rob Kaminsky LHP HS
Hunter Dozier INF Stephen F. Austin
Marco Gonzales LHP Gonzaga (I've come around a bit, but still don't want him at 27)
Phil Ervin OF Samford
Matt Krook LHP HS
Hunter Green LHP HS

PICK 67

Andrew Thurman RHP UC-Irvine
Riley Unroe SS HS
JaCoby Jones 2B LSU
Justin Williams OF HS
Cord Sandberg OF HS
Blake Taylor LHP HS

Kaminsky is not likely to last until 38. There's a chance he'll last till 27. Law has him going at 24. BA has him going at 32.

[Benihana]

That's a solid run of top picks with only Nick still an unknown quantity but still with very high hopes. They've nailed it 5 years running....that is pretty amazing given the flop rate even for #1s.

I'm going to be a bit nit picky:

While I agree Buckley and Walt have an EXCELLENT track record, I think it's a bit premature if not misleading to be saying that they "nailed" the Alonso pick. A 1B with a career OPS below .756 is not all that great for a Top 10 pick.

(Cue the "if they make the majors it's a success" chatter)

Ironically Stephenson, one of the two guys on the list that hasn't yet pitched above A ball, was their best draft pick IMO, especially when factoring where he was taken.

[Benihana]

Kaminsky is not likely to last until 38. There's a chance he'll last till 27. Law has him going at 24. BA has him going at 32.

Fair point, but some of these guys always leak out of the top 20, sometimes top 40, even when they are "consensus" guys. Look at where Rahier was mocked to last year.

Almost guaranteed there will be 1-2 "surefire first rounders" available when the Reds pick at 38.

That said, I wouldn't be mad if we took Kaminsky at 27.

[lollipopcurve]

Almost guaranteed there will be 1-2 "surefire first rounders" available when the Reds pick at 38.

Also guaranteed there is a reason other than negligence on the part of every team in MLB.

[medford]

2012
Nick Travieso
RHP
Archbishop McCarthy High School, Fort Lauderdale

2011
Robert Stephenson
RHP
Alhambra High School

2010
Yasmani Grandal
C
Miami

2009
Mike Leake
RHP
Arizona State

2008
Yonder Alonso
1B
Univ. of Miami (Fla.)

In Walt and Chris Buckley I trust.

Extend it back a little further, though I'm not sure if Buckley was in the organization at this point:

2007 they got Mes, plus Frasier & Lotzkar in the sandwhich round
2006 brought Drew Stubbs
2005 gave them Jay Bruce
2004 provided David Homer Bailey
2003 flashed Ryan Wagner

That's a pretty solid track record for the top of the draft. Throw in some other low round picks like Votto and it gets even better.

Of course the 14 years prior the Reds #1 picks looked like this:

Scott Bryant, Dan Wilson, Pokey Reese, Chad Mottola, Pat Watkins, CJ Nitkowski (no pick in 95 1st round), John Oliver, Matt Mclendon, Brandon Larson, Austin Kearns, Ty Howington, David Espinosa, Dustin Mosely, the punting of Jeremy Sowers, Chris Gruler and Mark Schramek. That's a big ol' chain with only a few above average ML seasons to show for it.

When Pokey Reese (or would you argue Kearns or Dan wilson) is your most successful 1st round pick over 14 years, you're bound to struggle.

[Benihana]

Extend it back a little further, though I'm not sure if Buckley was in the organization at this point:

2007 they got Mes, plus Frasier & Lotzkar in the sandwhich round
2006 brought Drew Stubbs
2005 gave them Jay Bruce
2004 provided David Homer Bailey
2003 flashed Ryan Wagner

That's a pretty solid track record for the top of the draft. Throw in some other low round picks like Votto and it gets even better.

Of course the 14 years prior the Reds #1 picks looked like this:

Scott Bryant, Dan Wilson, Pokey Reese, Chad Mottola, Pat Watkins, CJ Nitkowski (no pick in 95 1st round), John Oliver, Matt Mclendon, Brandon Larson, Austin Kearns, Ty Howington, David Espinosa, Dustin Mosely, the punting of Jeremy Sowers, Chris Gruler and Mark Schramek. That's a big ol' chain with only a few above average ML seasons to show for it.

When Pokey Reese (or would you argue Kearns or Dan wilson) is your most successful 1st round pick over 14 years, you're bound to struggle.

IIRC Buckley started at the helm in 2006, which was clearly his worst draft (but still not bad considering it produced Stubbs and Heisey, as well as fringe major leaguers Turner, Valaika, and Roenicke.) 2010 may be rivaling it, as the only two looking like major leaguers at this point are Grandal and hopefully Drew Cisco.

But when praising how awesome these guys have been (and they have been awesome drafters), don't forget a few of the better picks after the first round (Cingrani, Winker, Hamilton, Stewart, etc.)

[Tom Servo]

Extend it back a little further, though I'm not sure if Buckley was in the organization at this point:

2007 they got Mes, plus Frasier & Lotzkar in the sandwhich round
2006 brought Drew Stubbs
2005 gave them Jay Bruce
2004 provided David Homer Bailey
2003 flashed Ryan Wagner

That's a pretty solid track record for the top of the draft. Throw in some other low round picks like Votto and it gets even better.

Of course the 14 years prior the Reds #1 picks looked like this:

Scott Bryant, Dan Wilson, Pokey Reese, Chad Mottola, Pat Watkins, CJ Nitkowski (no pick in 95 1st round), John Oliver, Matt Mclendon, Brandon Larson, Austin Kearns, Ty Howington, David Espinosa, Dustin Mosely, the punting of Jeremy Sowers, Chris Gruler and Mark Schramek. That's a big ol' chain with only a few above average ML seasons to show for it.

When Pokey Reese (or would you argue Kearns or Dan wilson) is your most successful 1st round pick over 14 years, you're bound to struggle.
Buckley became the Reds Scouting Director in 06, so Stubbs and Mesoraco are his as well, though it was under the Krivsky administration.

[Benihana]

Law's final mock has Reds taking Denney, with Wilson and T.Anderson off the board but McKinney and Clarkin still available - the latter of which falls all the way to the last pick in the 1st round.

Kaminsky, Dozier, Green and Krook also go first round in Law's Mock.

I'm starting to get some weird feeling the Reds may draft Ciuffo or Jagielo - two names I can't pronounce and don't know a ton about. They'd certainly fit into the same motif as Travieso and Mesoraco.

[mdccclxix]

Manaea dropping due to injury concerns with his hip or something.

[Benihana]

Manaea dropping due to injury concerns with his hip or something.

Yep. Sounds like he's a guy that will need to re-enter the draft next year to get the money he'll want.

[Boro_BG_Red]

I'm really big into watching video and studying NFL Draft prospects but I have to read reports for the MLB Draft. I couldn't find anything on whether Denney will stay at catcher. Does anyone know if he can stay there? If he has to move, his appeal obviously decreases a bit.

[19braves77]

I'm really big into watching video and studying NFL Draft prospects but I have to read reports for the MLB Draft. I couldn't find anything on whether Denney will stay at catcher. Does anyone know if he can stay there? If he has to move, his appeal obviously decreases a bit.

Denney will be moved just like Will Myers was moved to get his bat to the Majors quicker.

[Edd Roush]

Final BA Mock has Reds taking Ervin.

Other names mentioned are Harvey, T.Anderson, C.Anderson, Ciuffo, Jagielo, Denney, Green, and McKinney.

Ervin is interesting because he has a lot of "all-around skills." The pessimist in me worries about Ryan LaMarre and other polished CF types without a standout skill. Another comp for him could be an OF version of Rickie Weeks (great bat speed and athleticism).

After I read this post, I looked at some more scouting reports on Ervin and I definitely thought of LaMarre immediately. Count me in the camp that does not want Ervin especially if Jagielo, Denney, Harvey and McKinney are on the board.

[Edd Roush]

Denney will be moved just like Will Myers was moved to get his bat to the Majors quicker.

If Denney can swing it like Myers, I really want him... at any defensive position.

[Edd Roush]

Law's final mock has Reds taking Denney, with Wilson and T.Anderson off the board but McKinney and Clarkin still available - the latter of which falls all the way to the last pick in the 1st round.

Kaminsky, Dozier, Green and Krook also go first round in Law's Mock.

I'm starting to get some weird feeling the Reds may draft Ciuffo or Jagielo - two names I can't pronounce and don't know a ton about. They'd certainly fit into the same motif as Travieso and Mesoraco.

I like the way Law's mock has it going. Can't go wrong with Denney or McKinney and to a lesser degree, Crowe.

I would not mind Ciuffo or Jagielo. Ciuffo definitely looks like he is going to stick behind the dish and could be an above-average regular.

Jagielo seems to be a pretty polished third baseman prospect. Doesn't seem like there is tons of upside with either Ciuffo or Jagielo, but both could be great picks.

I still prefer Denney or McKinney.

[Boro_BG_Red]

If Denney can swing it like Myers, I really want him... at any defensive position.
If he had a Myers bat, I'd imagine he would go earlier, no? Anyway, Law has had Denney to the Reds in his past three mocks, has to be something there.

[Kc61]

I don't know much about this year's draft.

Based on my reading I hope the Reds take Marco Gonzalez or Tim Anderson. Gonzalez sounds to me like a lefty Mike Leake. He has a good pedigree. The Reds need lefty pitchers coming up. "High ceiling" is generally synonymous with velocity. This guy sounds like a pitcher more than a thrower, but that doesn't mean he can't be very good. If Anderson is available he sounds like a middle infielder or CF with a good bat and a very good athlete. Guys at those positions who hit are important.

Based on recent history, however, I'm expecting the Reds to take a projectable HS pitcher like Hunter Green, Hunter Harvey, Bickford, Clarkin, Kaminsky or Serrano.

I doubt they will go for a high school catcher. The Mesoraco experience shows how tough a grind that is. The college catcher, Ciuffo is a much better likelihood, if he is available. McKinney sounds a bit like Winker to me. I doubt they go for another corner outfielder in the first round.

So I'm hoping for Gonzalez or Anderson, but expecting a high school pitcher. College catcher Ciuffo would be someone else I can see them taking, if available.

If they don't take a HS pitcher in the first round, I'd expect it with their second pick.

[Benihana]

My prediction (not necessarily what I want) is that the Reds will take a college player at 27.

[mdccclxix]

Some outstanding links to Doug's work on this year's draft prospects. They are complete with video and hard to find stats, as well as info on if they've been linked to the Reds...Doug, why didn't you refer us earlier!?!?:

Nick Ciuffo – Catcher – Lexington High School (South Carolina)
Phillip Ervin – Outfield – Samford
Rob Kaminsky – Left Handed Pitcher – St. Joseph High Regional High School (New Jersey)
http://redsminorleagues.com/2013/05/28/2013-draft-scouting-reports-part-one/

Jonathan Denney – Catcher – Yukon High School (Oklahoma)
Hunter Harvey – Right Handed Pitcher – Bandys High Schol (North Carolina)
Phil Bickford – Right Handed Pitcher – Oaks Christian High School (California)
Chris Anderson – Right Handed Pitcher – Jacksonville
Billy McKinney – Outfielder – Plano High School (Texas)
Marco Gonzales – Left Handed Pitcher – Gonzaga
Austin Wilson – Outfielder – Stanford
Aaron Judge – Outfielder – Fresno State
http://redsminorleagues.com/2013/05/30/2013-draft-scouting-reports-part-two/

Hunter Green – Left Handed Pitcher – Warren East High School (Kentucky)
Matt Krook – Left Handed Pitcher – St. Ignatius High School (California)
Connor Jones – Right Handed Pitcher – Great Bridge High School (Virginia)
http://redsminorleagues.com/2013/05/31/2013-draft-scouting-reports-part-three/

Tim Anderson - SS – East Central Junior College
Kyle Serrano – RHP – Farragut High School (Tennessee)
Bobby Wahl – RHP – Mississippi
Ryan Eades – Right Handed Pitcher – LSU
Oscar Mercado – Shortstop – Gaither High School (Florida)
http://redsminorleagues.com/2013/06/03/2013-mlb-draft-scouting-reports-part-four/

Hunter Dozier – Shortstop – Stephen F. Austin State
Cord Sandberg – Outfield – Manatee High School (Florida)
Aaron Blair – Right Handed Pitcher – Marshall
Alex Balog – Right Handed Pitcher – San Francisco
Alex Gonzalez – Right Handed Pitcher – Oral Roberts
http://redsminorleagues.com/2013/06/04/2013-mlb-draft-scouting-reports-part-five/

Devin Williams – Right Handed Pitcher – Hazelwood High School (Missouri)
Andrew Thurman – Right Handed Pitcher – UC Irvine
Tom Windle – Left Handed Pitcher – Minnesota
Corey Knebel – Right Handed Pitcher – Texas
http://redsminorleagues.com/2013/06/05/2013-mlb-draft-scouting-reports-part-six/

[mdccclxix]

I got to say Doug, you are too modest when it comes to pushing your info out there. Thanks a ton for this stuff.

[mdccclxix]

My Doug informed new perspective:

1) McKinney
2) Denny
3) Chris Anderson
4) Judge
5) Ervin
6) Tim Anderson
7) Sandburg

If we get any 2 of these I'll be really happy.

[Edd Roush]

If he had a Myers bat, I'd imagine he would go earlier, no? Anyway, Law has had Denney to the Reds in his past three mocks, has to be something there.

Wil Myers himself was just a third round pick. I really hope there is fire to the Denney smoke.

[mdccclxix]

Wil Myers himself was just a third round pick. I really hope there is fire to the Denney smoke.

Yeah, I really like his swing in the video.

[Edd Roush]

I don't know much about this year's draft.

Based on my reading I hope the Reds take Marco Gonzalez or Tim Anderson. Gonzalez sounds to me like a lefty Mike Leake. He has a good pedigree. The Reds need lefty pitchers coming up. "High ceiling" is generally synonymous with velocity. This guy sounds like a pitcher more than a thrower, but that doesn't mean he can't be very good. If Anderson is available he sounds like a middle infielder or CF with a good bat and a very good athlete. Guys at those positions who hit are important.

Based on recent history, however, I'm expecting the Reds to take a projectable HS pitcher like Hunter Green, Hunter Harvey, Bickford, Clarkin, Kaminsky or Serrano.

I doubt they will go for a high school catcher. The Mesoraco experience shows how tough a grind that is. The college catcher, Ciuffo is a much better likelihood, if he is available. McKinney sounds a bit like Winker to me. I doubt they go for another corner outfielder in the first round.

So I'm hoping for Gonzalez or Anderson, but expecting a high school pitcher. College catcher Ciuffo would be someone else I can see them taking, if available.

If they don't take a HS pitcher in the first round, I'd expect it with their second pick.

Kc61, I just have a few things I would like to say in response to your post. First, Ciuffo is a high school catcher, just like McGuire and Denney. Sure, Mesoraco has taken a while to develop, but I think the Reds are pretty happy with the way that has turned out. Furthermore, Denney may not even see any time behind the dish if the Reds are as down on Denney's glove as 19braves77 is. Either way, if the Reds take either of those three, I would be happy with the Reds "delaying" their bats if they have a legitimate chance to stick behind the dish in the majors.

As for McKinney, I can't imagine the Reds doing anything but cartwheels if another Winker is on the board at #27. I like the scouting reports I have read on McKinney's bat. You can't concern yourself too much with the current make-up of the minor leagues or big league roster because prospect rankings and the big league roster itself is so fluid. Even if McKinney and Winker develop into monster bats and we still have Bruce in a corner outfield spot, I am sure we will find somewhere for all three bats to play and if we can't, it is a problem I am fine with having.

Sure, I wish McKinney played a more "premium" defensive position, but I would rather have a premium bat than a premium glove.

I have already stated my opinion of Gonzales in the other draft pick thread. I have no problem with it, but he seems to be falling out of the first round in the mocks I have seen so he could be there at #38.

I wouldn't mind a high upside high school arm, but I think I may prefer a bat. Either way, I hope the Reds go BPA unless the BPA has ridiculous bonus demands.

[Edd Roush]

Some outstanding links to Doug's work on this year's draft prospects. They are complete with video and hard to find stats, as well as info on if they've been linked to the Reds...Doug, why didn't you refer us earlier!?!?:

Nick Ciuffo – Catcher – Lexington High School (South Carolina)
Phillip Ervin – Outfield – Samford
Rob Kaminsky – Left Handed Pitcher – St. Joseph High Regional High School (New Jersey)
http://redsminorleagues.com/2013/05/28/2013-draft-scouting-reports-part-one/

Jonathan Denney – Catcher – Yukon High School (Oklahoma)
Hunter Harvey – Right Handed Pitcher – Bandys High Schol (North Carolina)
Phil Bickford – Right Handed Pitcher – Oaks Christian High School (California)
Chris Anderson – Right Handed Pitcher – Jacksonville
Billy McKinney – Outfielder – Plano High School (Texas)
Marco Gonzales – Left Handed Pitcher – Gonzaga
Austin Wilson – Outfielder – Stanford
Aaron Judge – Outfielder – Fresno State
http://redsminorleagues.com/2013/05/30/2013-draft-scouting-reports-part-two/

Hunter Green – Left Handed Pitcher – Warren East High School (Kentucky)
Matt Krook – Left Handed Pitcher – St. Ignatius High School (California)
Connor Jones – Right Handed Pitcher – Great Bridge High School (Virginia)
http://redsminorleagues.com/2013/05/31/2013-draft-scouting-reports-part-three/

Tim Anderson - SS – East Central Junior College
Kyle Serrano – RHP – Farragut High School (Tennessee)
Bobby Wahl – RHP – Mississippi
Ryan Eades – Right Handed Pitcher – LSU
Oscar Mercado – Shortstop – Gaither High School (Florida)
http://redsminorleagues.com/2013/06/03/2013-mlb-draft-scouting-reports-part-four/

Hunter Dozier – Shortstop – Stephen F. Austin State
Cord Sandberg – Outfield – Manatee High School (Florida)
Aaron Blair – Right Handed Pitcher – Marshall
Alex Balog – Right Handed Pitcher – San Francisco
Alex Gonzalez – Right Handed Pitcher – Oral Roberts
http://redsminorleagues.com/2013/06/04/2013-mlb-draft-scouting-reports-part-five/

Devin Williams – Right Handed Pitcher – Hazelwood High School (Missouri)
Andrew Thurman – Right Handed Pitcher – UC Irvine
Tom Windle – Left Handed Pitcher – Minnesota
Corey Knebel – Right Handed Pitcher – Texas
http://redsminorleagues.com/2013/06/05/2013-mlb-draft-scouting-reports-part-six/

Just to update what doug has on his website, the Reds have now been linked to Erwin. As Benihana said in post #4, BA has mocked Erwin to the Reds in their final mock. BTW, doug seems much higher on Erwin than Keith Law. I hope what doug has heard from scouts is correct, if we take him.

[redsmetz]

2012
Nick Travieso
RHP
Archbishop McCarthy High School, Fort Lauderdale

I've always thought it ironic that Travieso's school is named after someone who was born in Cincinnati and was first a bishop here before moving on to other diocese.

[dougdirt]

I got to say Doug, you are too modest when it comes to pushing your info out there. Thanks a ton for this stuff.

Some of those guys have since been linked to the Reds, but weren't at the time of writing.

As for me pushing my own stuff out there.... it is against the site rules.

[dougdirt]

Just to update what doug has on his website, the Reds have now been linked to Erwin. As Benihana said in post #4, BA has mocked Erwin to the Reds in their final mock. BTW, doug seems much higher on Erwin than Keith Law. I hope what doug has heard from scouts is correct, if we take him.

I talked to very few scouts about these guys. Hardly any of my contacts are the guys who scout high school/college talents. I simply used freely available video and scouting reports for the data.

[Edd Roush]

I talked to very few scouts about these guys. Hardly any of my contacts are the guys who scout high school/college talents. I simply used freely available video and scouting reports for the data.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, doug. I am making my way through your reports now and if this is in there, please disregard this question, but what is your wish list for pick #27 and/or #38?

[RedTeamGo!]

Doug: Final predictions for the Reds first and second pick tonight?

[mdccclxix]

Some of those guys have since been linked to the Reds, but weren't at the time of writing.

As for me pushing my own stuff out there.... it is against the site rules.

I do understand that, although there has to be a point where the info is available nowhere else and it becomes a service to the site. I mean, we all know you're not a spammer. And guilty me, I didn't check your site sooner, perhaps many others did. I don't know, the collection is so thorough and Reds related, maybe there should be a site promotion sticky so people like me don't miss this good stuff.

[Edd Roush]

Doug, Austin Wilson question for you:

You say: "He has some concerns with his pitch recognition," but to me, it appears he has had a pretty solid walk rate the last couple years. Is that because he has not seen to many tough breaking balls yet, which is why pitch recognition concerns do not appear in his college numbers or what else makes up the concerns with his pitch recognition ability.

I ask, because I am very interested in Austin Wilson at #27.

[dougdirt]

Doug, Austin Wilson question for you:

You say: "He has some concerns with his pitch recognition," but to me, it appears he has had a pretty solid walk rate the last couple years. Is that because he has not seen to many tough breaking balls yet, which is why pitch recognition concerns do not appear in his college numbers or what else makes up the concerns with his pitch recognition ability.

I ask, because I am very interested in Austin Wilson at #27.

I was just passing along what I have heard. I haven't seen him nearly enough to answer that question and as I noted, I don't really have many contacts that are still scouting the high school/college ranks so I can't reach out for information on that either.

[dougdirt]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, doug. I am making my way through your reports now and if this is in there, please disregard this question, but what is your wish list for pick #27 and/or #38?

As always, you don't always know all of the reports on everyone. Last year, I had never even looked at Nick Travieso as a potential Reds pick because of where he was ranked. Then after they drafted him I started seeing the scouting reports and was confused as to how he was ranked so low. So there could always be someone who sneaks in that I didn't see or that our guys saw something that others didn't and I believe our guys are plenty trustable on what they are seeing given their track record of success.

In no order, I am a big fan of these guys: Phil Ervin, Tim Anderson, Billy McKinney, Hunter Green, Hunter Harvey, Kyle Serrano, Chris Anderson and Alex Balog.

Guys I wouldn't mind being picked, but aren't likely the first choice: Austin Wilson, Aaron Blair, Bobby Wahl, Marco Gonazles, Jon Denney and Nick Ciuffo.

Guy I wasn't impressed with at all: Oscar Mercado.

[PuffyPig]

I'm going to be a bit nit picky:

While I agree Buckley and Walt have an EXCELLENT track record, I think it's a bit premature if not misleading to be saying that they "nailed" the Alonso pick. A 1B with a career OPS below .756 is not all that great for a Top 10 pick.

(Cue the "if they make the majors it's a success" chatter)



It's at least arguable that since we were able to trade Alonso and get great value for him (the Pads traded Rizzo once they got Alonso, so you know they valued Alonso highly) in a trade for Matt Latos, that "our book" is closed on Alonso regardless of what he does from here on out and, accordingly, the pick was "nailed".

[Kc61]

Kc61, I just have a few things I would like to say in response to your post. First, Ciuffo is a high school catcher, just like McGuire and Denney. Sure, Mesoraco has taken a while to develop, but I think the Reds are pretty happy with the way that has turned out. Furthermore, Denney may not even see any time behind the dish if the Reds are as down on Denney's glove as 19braves77 is. Either way, if the Reds take either of those three, I would be happy with the Reds "delaying" their bats if they have a legitimate chance to stick behind the dish in the majors.

As for McKinney, I can't imagine the Reds doing anything but cartwheels if another Winker is on the board at #27. I like the scouting reports I have read on McKinney's bat. You can't concern yourself too much with the current make-up of the minor leagues or big league roster because prospect rankings and the big league roster itself is so fluid. Even if McKinney and Winker develop into monster bats and we still have Bruce in a corner outfield spot, I am sure we will find somewhere for all three bats to play and if we can't, it is a problem I am fine with having.

Sure, I wish McKinney played a more "premium" defensive position, but I would rather have a premium bat than a premium glove.

I have already stated my opinion of Gonzales in the other draft pick thread. I have no problem with it, but he seems to be falling out of the first round in the mocks I have seen so he could be there at #38.

I wouldn't mind a high upside high school arm, but I think I may prefer a bat. Either way, I hope the Reds go BPA unless the BPA has ridiculous bonus demands.

Sorry about the mistake about the catcher, as I said I'm not that familiar. I recall when Mes was picked some said HS catchers are a big risk. As for McKinney, Reds might tend toward someone who plays a more premium position.

Tim Anderson and Gonzalez sound good to me, but just on paper. I've been too busy lately watching the Reds relievers give up eighth inning homers, etc.

[LoganBuck]

My list

Want
McKinney
Denney
Harvey
Green

Guys I don't want at all
Austin Wilson don't like his swing
Aaron Judge hate his swing, given frame looks like a K machine
Kaminsky don't like his frame
Marco Gonzales no crafty lefties in first round
Oscar Mercado bat made of balsa

[fearofpopvol1]

Some of those guys have since been linked to the Reds, but weren't at the time of writing.

As for me pushing my own stuff out there.... it is against the site rules.

I thought it was okay if it was in an existing thread about a topic? Do I have that wrong.

I'd find it hard to believe that anyone would have a tough time with you posting about your draft work/findings in an existing draft thread. It's not like your some spammer.

[Edd Roush]

Sorry about the mistake about the catcher, as I said I'm not that familiar. I recall when Mes was picked some said HS catchers are a big risk. As for McKinney, Reds might tend toward someone who plays a more premium position.

Tim Anderson and Gonzalez sound good to me, but just on paper. I've been too busy lately watching the Reds relievers give up eighth inning homers, etc.

I can see the Reds wanting a premium position guy, but I feel like most would be a reach at #27. Tim Anderson and Phil Ervin seem to be the two that would make the most sense, but I still prefer the premium bats of McKinney or Denney over the positional value.

[RedTeamGo!]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9348666/the-mlb-draft-work-quite-possibly-immoral-replace-it

Excellent article about the absurdity of the draft and an alternative that may be better.

[Benihana]

Wait, have the Reds EVER taken someone we all thought they would in the Jocketty era? I dont believe they have.

[19braves77]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9348666/the-mlb-draft-work-quite-possibly-immoral-replace-it

Excellent article about the absurdity of the draft and an alternative that may be better.

Do you think any player under the free agent system would want to play for the Astros, Mariners, or Rays when they were bad ? Ask any HS kid from Alabama and his dream is to play for the Braves or Yankees. You would have teams like Seattle with a bunch of tenth round talent options while the Dodgers get all the 2nd Round talent. The kids would take a discount to play for the Yankees.

[dougdirt]

Wait, have the Reds EVER taken someone we all thought they would in the Jocketty era? I dont believe they have.

Of course Jocketty doesn't really make the pick, so that doesn't matter much. The Reds have been tied pretty strongly to a few guys that they wound up taking since Buckley took over. Stubbs, Alonso, Mesoraco.

[RedlegJake]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9348666/the-mlb-draft-work-quite-possibly-immoral-replace-it

Excellent article about the absurdity of the draft and an alternative that may be better.

Extremely provocative article....but it makes so much sense owners will never go for it....mlb has the dumbest owners of all major sports. They can never create rules that work because they have the least cooperation between owners of all major sports. Then you layer that with the PA and any smart decisions are nearly impossible. Greed and self interest rule instead of fairness or common sense.

[19braves77]

PG reporting Astros will decide between Moran or Stewart. Appel out of picture.

[fearofpopvol1]

Wait, have the Reds EVER taken someone we all thought they would in the Jocketty era? I dont believe they have.

I thought Stephenson was linked heavily 2 years ago to the Reds? Maybe I have that wrong, but I thought he was the pick all along.

[mdccclxix]

PG reporting Astros will decide between Moran or Stewart. Appel out of picture.

Aren't they getting cute, eh?

[OnBaseMachine]

Travis Demeritte is a guy I would love to see the Reds take at 38 if he's still there.

[BearcatShane]

Doug this is random but do you know anything at all about this Connor Heady kid from North Oldham HS in Kentucky? Supposedy he is supposed to go in the first few rounds.

[LoganBuck]

I thought Stephenson was linked heavily 2 years ago to the Reds? Maybe I have that wrong, but I thought he was the pick all along.

Yep, the Reds were al .over Stephenson 2 years ago.

[dougdirt]

Doug this is random but do you know anything at all about this Connor Heady kid from North Oldham HS in Kentucky? Supposedy he is supposed to go in the first few rounds.

Not a lot other than he is expected to head to college.

[Gallen5862]

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mock-draft-4-1-one-more-last-chance/


An hour before the draft was set to begin at 7 p.m. Eastern, here’s our last, best guess as to what will happen in the first round. If the Astros know who they’re taking No. 1 overall, they’re not telling, and they may still be in the process of making the decision.

As a result, I’m standing pat with my projected top five picks from Mock Draft 4.0 this morning, rather than rip it all up based on the various rumors that are flying around. Besides the No. 1 choice, the selection that’s bothering me the most is the Royals at No. 8. They may have cut a deal with California high school righthander Phil Bickford, who does have helium, but I can’t confirm it to the point where I feel comfortable putting him there. So I’m leaving him at No. 23 (Rangers) and may regret that decision.

[dougdirt]

Just a name to remember: Jacoby Jones. Had a scout tell me the Reds really liked him and the scout has local ties to the area. I doubt he winds up in the 1/1s round, but keep an eye on him in the 2nd/3rd.

[19braves77]

Jonathan Gray just said one of the things he wants to do after he signs is put rims on his car.

Today's youth. :confused:

[LoganBuck]

Just a name to remember: Jacoby Jones. Had a scout tell me the Reds really liked him and the scout has local ties to the area. I doubt he winds up in the 1/1s round, but keep an eye on him in the 2nd/3rd.

http://mattsko.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/loose-lips-3500.jpg

[Benihana]

Just a name to remember: Jacoby Jones. Had a scout tell me the Reds really liked him and the scout has local ties to the area. I doubt he winds up in the 1/1s round, but keep an eye on him in the 2nd/3rd.

I've liked Jones for a long time and he is one of my top targets with the 67th pick. I'd love it if we got him there.

[Drugs Delaney]

I will guess Josh Hart in the first.

[Gallen5862]

Mark Appel, rhp, Stanford

[edabbs44]

Just a name to remember: Jacoby Jones. Had a scout tell me the Reds really liked him and the scout has local ties to the area. I doubt he winds up in the 1/1s round, but keep an eye on him in the 2nd/3rd.

He always tempts me in fantasy football drafts, hopefully Walt doesn't fall prey to his potential.

[WVRed]

Mark Appel, rhp, Stanford

Did not see that one coming. Thought it would have been Gray at a discounted price. I thought I read he was written off for the no 1 overall pick.

[M2]

Caught a glimpse of Eric Davis representing the Reds at the draft. Looks like he's still in game shape.

[LoganBuck]

He always tempts me in fantasy football drafts, hopefully Walt doesn't fall prey to his potential.

This is going to be the year. Did you see him in the Super Bowl.....

[M2]

And the Cubs select Kris Bryant, which I guess qualifies as an official mea culpa for the Josh Vitters pick.

[edabbs44]

This is going to be the year. Did you see him in the Super Bowl.....

My wife won't stop talking about him from Dancing with the Stars.

[Gallen5862]

Jonathan Gray, rhp, Oklahoma

[M2]

Jonathan Gray surely just shouted a pile of expletives after the Rockies took him.

[Gallen5862]

Kohl Stewart, rhp, St. Pius X HS, Houston

[19braves77]

Clint Frazier next ?

[dougdirt]

Jonathan Gray surely just shouted a pile of expletives after the Rockies took him.

Live television rules.

[Gallen5862]

Clint Frazier, of, Loganville (Ga.) HS

[19braves77]

I m guessing Meadows to Marlins since my mock draft went to crap.

[M2]

So is Miami trying to trade its pick for two fourth graders?

[Gallen5862]

Colin Moran, 3b, North Carolina

[dougdirt]

This is the first time that the Marlins have selected a college player in the first round in 17 years. That is crazy.

[19braves77]

This is the first time that the Marlins have selected a college player in the first round in 17 years. That is crazy.

Theirl like me. I prefer prep players.

[edabbs44]

This is the first time that the Marlins have selected a college player in the first round in 17 years. That is crazy.

You sure?

[Gallen5862]

Trey Ball, lhp, New Castle (Ind.) HS

[dougdirt]

You sure?

https://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/342788883718742016

Wow, Marlins haven't taken a college bat with their first pick since Mark Kotsay 17 years ago. Never heard them on him.


No, not sure. But it was tweeted by Keith Law.

[edabbs44]

https://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/342788883718742016

Wow, Marlins haven't taken a college bat with their first pick since Mark Kotsay 17 years ago. Never heard them on him.


No, not sure. But it was tweeted by Keith Law.

Oh, bat. Got it. But Coghlan was a supp a few years back.

[texasdave]

Do they get five minutes per pick? If so, I am gonna walk my dog.

[dougdirt]

Oh, bat. Got it. But Coghlan was a supp a few years back.

Supp with that?

I really could use a nap. I should step away from the computer for a little bit. I honestly thought that was going to be funny.

[dougdirt]

Do they get five minutes per pick? If so, I am gonna walk my dog.

Yes.

[texasdave]

Yes.

Thanks.

[edabbs44]

Supp with that?

I really could use a nap. I should step away from the computer for a little bit. I honestly thought that was going to be funny.

Wazzzzz suuuuupppppppppp?

[Gallen5862]

Hunter Dozier, ss, Stephen F. Austin State

[Gallen5862]

Austin Meadows, of, Grayson HS, Loganville, Ga

[Gallen5862]

Phil Bickford, rhp, Oaks Christian HS, Westlake Village, Calif

[Gallen5862]

Dominic Smith, 1b, Serra HS, Gardena, Calif.

[Gallen5862]

D.J. Peterson, 3b/1b, New Mexico

[Gallen5862]

Hunter Renfroe, of, Mississippi State

[Gallen5862]

Reese McGuire, c, Kentwood HS, Covington, Wash

[podgejeff_]

Any particular reason Braden Shipley is still on the board?

[Blitz Dorsey]

MLB.com is "turrible." Their live feed (and even their draft tracker) is all messed up. Thank goodness for RedsZone.

[dougdirt]

MLB.com is "turrible." Their live feed (and even their draft tracker) is all messed up. Thank goodness for RedsZone.

You don't have MLB Network?!

[Red Swagger]

Billy McKinney
Phillip Ervin
Hunter Harvey
Tim Anderson
Eric Jagielo
Tom Windle

Reds absolutely need to take the BPA

[Blitz Dorsey]

Anyone else think the Pirates will regret for years not giving Appel what he wanted last year. Say what you want about money given to draft picks; it's nothing compared to what MLB free agents get. You draft a college pitcher and he's good, you control him for several years at a relatively cheap rate.

Pirates failed on that one. I know they made a nice pick at #9 this year to "make up for" losing Appel, but I bet they will regret not giving Appel what he wanted.

[_Sir_Charles_]

MLB.com is "turrible." Their live feed (and even their draft tracker) is all messed up. Thank goodness for RedsZone.

Well, I don't think they're as TURRIBLE as all that, but I can't get the live feed to load at all.

Btw...my nick isn't related to Barkley at all...but I love the TURRIBLE stuff. Laugh every time I hear him. :O)

[mdccclxix]

A run on bats for sure, any better idea what the Reds will have a choice of?

[Blitz Dorsey]

You don't have MLB Network?!

I'm kind of a loser. Also, I have WOW cable in Columbus and they're an even bigger loser than I am. (Their service NEVER goes out and I love them compared to Time Warner, but I'm pissed they don't have MLB or NFL Network.)

[Gallen5862]

Braden Shipley, rhp, Nevada

[dougdirt]

I'm kind of a loser. Also, I have WOW cable in Columbus and they're an even bigger loser than I am. (Their service NEVER goes out and I love them compared to Time Warner, but I'm pissed they don't have MLB or NFL Network.)

Ouch. I am very sorry to hear that.

[Gallen5862]

J.P. Crawford, ss, Lakewood (Calif.) HS

[_Sir_Charles_]

You don't have MLB Network?!

I used to a couple of years ago. But I didn't get the big package of cable this past year. I miss it. So yeah, I'm with Blitz trying to watch over the net. Horrible connections....so bad I've yet to see ANY video yet.

~edit~ Woohoo! I finally got the page loaded. Hey, at least I got a commercial. :O) Better than that blank page.

[texasdave]

Hunter Dozier, ss, Stephen F. Austin State

Just trying to check off people on the list and I had to go way down to #39 on the Baseball America list to find Dozier. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)

[Benihana]

My guess is Tim Anderson goes here

[Gallen5862]

Tim Anderson, ss, East Central (Miss.) CC

[Benihana]

Sucks that all the SS I like are off the board. I guess we can hope for Riley Unroe or JaCoby Jones at 67. Otherwise, we'll have to wait another year for a top-shelf middle infielder.

[Tom Servo]

Anderson seems like a good kid.

[M2]

My guess is Tim Anderson goes here

Quality call

[Benihana]

With 10 picks to go, my draft board looks like this:

1. Ryne Stanek RHP
2. Ian Clarkin LHP
3. Austin Wilson OF
4. Jon Denney C
5. Billy McKinney OF

If we snag one of those 5, I'll be really happy.

[bubbachunk]

I think I will fall asleep before the Reds pick, I miss the draft starting in the afternoon.

[Gallen5862]

Chris Anderson, rhp, Jacksonville

[Benihana]

Is pick 67 going to happen well after midnight at this pace?

[_Sir_Charles_]

I like the odds of the Cards botching this pick with Ryan Franklin on the phone. :O)

[texasdave]

Is pick 67 going to happen well after midnight at this pace?

Zzzzz. Huh? What? :)

[Benihana]

Cards go Gonzales - lefty version of Wacha. I'm OK with that.

[Gallen5862]

Marco Gonzales, lhp, Gonzaga

[Tom Servo]

Guy I wanted goes to St. Louis. Fantastic.

[Red Swagger]

McKinney
Sean Manena (if he's available)

[Blitz Dorsey]

Ouch. I am very sorry to hear that.

Not to mention the part about me not having MLB Network.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Guy I wanted goes to St. Louis. Fantastic.

Sounds about right. (So frustrating how they do everything almost exactly right. Reminds me of watching the Ravens and Steelers as a Bengal fan. Although, fortunately, the Reds are no Bengals. And yes, I know the Bengals are on the right track, yadda, yadda. Molina.)

[Gallen5862]

Jonathon Crawford, rhp, Florida

[Benihana]

With 10 picks to go, my draft board looks like this:

1. Ryne Stanek RHP
2. Ian Clarkin LHP
3. Austin Wilson OF
4. Jon Denney C
5. Billy McKinney OF

If we snag one of those 5, I'll be really happy.

6 picks to go, looks like at least one of these guys will be available. Probably more. I think SF really likes Krook at 25.

[Blitz Dorsey]

I think MLB.com is "pulling a Dane Cook" here and intentionally making it tough to see the webcast.

(If you don't get the Dane Cook joke, Google his name along with "Boston." Enjoy. Also, I can guarantee my worst joke is better than Dane Cook's best. He's the worst comic ever.)

[dougdirt]

Guy I wanted goes to St. Louis. Fantastic.

I wouldn't have been opposed to him being the Reds pick, but I certainly would have liked to have had quite a few guys well before him.

[texasdave]

Any thoughts on Sean Manaea if he is still on the board?

[Blitz Dorsey]

Cards go Gonzales - lefty version of Wacha. I'm OK with that.

Why would you be OK with that unless you're a Cards fan? The majority of first-round picks flame out (going by every previous draft, on average). So, why would we be OK with the Cards' pick being as good as a guy who made the Majors so quickly and looks like he has a bright future? As a Reds fan, I want every Cards' pick to be a bust. Unfortunately, those guys know what they're doing.

But at least "our guys" do, too.

[Gallen5862]

Nick Ciuffo, c, Lexington (S.C.) HS

[dougdirt]

Any thoughts on Sean Manaea if he is still on the board?

If the Reds take him, then I am just fine with it because that means our doctors saw his reports and gave them a thumbs up. Stuff wise, he has it.

[Benihana]

Who do others want at this point?

[M2]

I think MLB.com is "pulling a Dane Cook" here and intentionally making it tough to see the webcast.

(If you don't get the Dane Cook joke, Google his name along with "Boston." Enjoy. Also, I can guarantee my worst joke is better than Dane Cook's best. He's the worst comic ever.)

But ... but ... he did "Good Luck Chuck"

[Red Swagger]

Sean Manena needs to be a Red if he's still on the board, he's def the BPA, along with Billy McKinney, Austin Wilson and Jon Denney.

[Vander]

I think MLB.com is "pulling a Dane Cook" here and intentionally making it tough to see the webcast.

(If you don't get the Dane Cook joke, Google his name along with "Boston." Enjoy. Also, I can guarantee my worst joke is better than Dane Cook's best. He's the worst comic ever.)

I'm watching it on MLB.com too and it's working great for me. Could it be your computer or connection?

[Blitz Dorsey]

Everyone joking about the MLB Draft on Twitter think they are so funny. Truth is, the MLB Draft continues to pick up steam each and every year and is quite interesting. It will never be the NFL Draft (or even the NBA Draft) but that doesn't mean it's not interesting. If you're a diehard MLB fan and you don't follow the draft, I don't know how you can really consider yourself a "diehard" fan. Even in this age of crazy free agency, teams are built through the draft (and via their international FA signings).

Votto, Bruce, Bailey, Leake, LeCure, Frazier, Cozart, Mesoraco and other key contributors were Reds' draft picks. Cueto, Chapman were international FA signings. I just don't get seemingly "diehard" baseball fans who blow off the draft.

And I don't mean the ones who don't follow it because they don't know the draft-eligible players all that well. Hell, I don't know the draft-eligible players all that well. I'm talking about the MLB fans who say "The draft isn't very important anyway."

Uh, what?

[texasdave]

Manaea or Stanek if either is available. Top-rated pitcher for me.

[Benihana]

Two guys I do NOT want at 27 are Oscar Mercado and Wil Crowe. Those picks would make me angry at this point.

[Gallen5862]

Hunter Harvey, rhp, Bandys HS, Catawba, N.C

[OnBaseMachine]

Hunter Harvey to the Orioles at #22. He was one of the guys I wanted the Reds to grab at 27.

[Blitz Dorsey]

I'm watching it on MLB.com too and it's working great for me. Could it be your computer or connection?

It's working now. Wasn't for a while.

Dude, I have the best computer and highest speed internet ever. Don't come in here talking computer smack with me.

Haha. Kidding.

:beerme:

[mdccclxix]

Who do others want at this point?

leaning Denny

[Tom Servo]

Who do others want at this point?
Stanek.

I'm also still interested in Austin Wilson. Denny too.

[_Sir_Charles_]

It's working now. Wasn't for a while.

Dude, I have the best computer and highest speed internet ever. Don't come in here talking computer smack with me.

Haha. Kidding.

:beerme:

Rockin' a Commodore 64, eh? :O)

[Benihana]

Will be interesting to see if the A's go for Judge at 24. Think the Giants go Krook at 25. Yankees will likely take one of the guys I like (including Kaminsky). That should leave most of my guys on the board at 27.

Hope the Rangers don't nab the local boy McKinney here.

[dougdirt]

Sean Manena needs to be a Red if he's still on the board, he's def the BPA, along with Billy McKinney, Austin Wilson and Jon Denney.

Manena is only the BPA assuming his medical records are good. There are questions all over the place about his health.

[Vander]

It's working now. Wasn't for a while.

Dude, I have the best computer and highest speed internet ever. Don't come in here talking computer smack with me.

Haha. Kidding.

:beerme:

I don't know, I'm running an elite 5 year old linux laptop... Pretty impressive stuff right here...

:cry:

[Gallen5862]

Alex Gonzalez, rhp, Oral Roberts

[M2]

Who do others want at this point?

I've always been a McKinney man. Wouldn't mind Clarkin.

[Benihana]

With 10 picks to go, my draft board looks like this:

1. Ryne Stanek RHP
2. Ian Clarkin LHP
3. Austin Wilson OF
4. Jon Denney C
5. Billy McKinney OF

If we snag one of those 5, I'll be really happy.

3 picks to go, wish list still in tact...

[Gallen5862]

Eric Jagielo, 3b, Notre Dame is also still available. Would he be a good pick as well?

[marcshoe]

Okay, I'm confused; I didn't think teams were allowed to sign or draft anyone else named Alex Gonzalez.

[Tom Servo]

MLB rules stipulate there must be an Alex Gonzalez in baseball at all times.

[Red Swagger]

Worried the Rangers are gonna snatch my guy, Billy McKinney

[The DARK]

Everyone joking about the MLB Draft on Twitter think they are so funny. Truth is, the MLB Draft continues to pick up steam each and every year and is quite interesting. It will never be the NFL Draft (or even the NBA Draft) but that doesn't mean it's not interesting. If you're a diehard MLB fan and you don't follow the draft, I don't know how you can really consider yourself a "diehard" fan. Even in this age of crazy free agency, teams are built through the draft (and via their international FA signings).

Votto, Bruce, Bailey, Leake, LeCure, Frazier, Cozart, Mesoraco and other key contributors were Reds' draft picks. Cueto, Chapman were international FA signings. I just don't get seemingly "diehard" baseball fans who blow off the draft.

And I don't mean the ones who don't follow it because they don't know the draft-eligible players all that well. Hell, I don't know the draft-eligible players all that well. I'm talking about the MLB fans who say "The draft isn't very important anyway."

Uh, what?

It's not important to them because they can't be half as self-righteous about how good or bad a certain draft pick is. Seeing every blogger post some asinine grade based on everybody else's widely available scouting report is easily the most infuriating aspect of the NFL draft.

[marcshoe]

MLB rules stipulate there must be an Alex Gonzalez in baseball at all times.

Thanks for clarifying; I obviously misunderstood the rule.

[edabbs44]

MLB rules stipulate there must be an Alex Gonzalez in baseball at all times.

I thought sea bass were endangered.

[M2]

Fudge, A's jumped on McKinney.

[Red Swagger]

****, McKinney gone

[OnBaseMachine]

Dangit. A's take Billy McKinney, another guy I wanted at 27.

[wheels]

McKinney gone. Dern!

[Gallen5862]

Billy McKinney, of, Plano (Texas) West HS

[corkedbat]

It's not important to them because they can't be half as self-righteous about how good or bad a certain draft pick is. Seeing every blogger post some asinine grade based on everybody else's widely available scouting report is easily the most infuriating aspect of the NFL draft.

Damn! I was not making a prediction because I didn't want to jinx it and see someone take McKinney

[_Sir_Charles_]

I thought sea bass were endangered.

Any chance somebody could explain this one? I've heard this reference for years now...no clue where it came from.

[texasdave]

Reds get Beaned. Billy Beaned.

[edabbs44]

Any chance somebody could explain this one? I've heard this reference for years now...no clue where it came from.

A certain poster continually referred to Alex G as Sea Bass. And it never caught on. Except he never gave up.

[Puffy]

Whoops - I thought fer sure Billy McKinney was black.

[RedLegsToday]

Any chance somebody could explain this one? I've heard this reference for years now...no clue where it came from.

seconded. It's always seemed like a mean, yet hilarious nickname. However, I've got no idea where it came from.

[Tom Servo]

Any chance somebody could explain this one? I've heard this reference for years now...no clue where it came from.
http://redreporter.wikidot.com/sea-bass

reds44 used the nickname regularly for A-Gon, and for some reason it really bugged some people on Redszone.

[texasdave]

Any chance somebody could explain this one? I've heard this reference for years now...no clue where it came from.

http://redreporter.wikidot.com/sea-bass

[Red Swagger]

Stanek at # 27? I really wanted McKinney, god fearing man

[edabbs44]

Whoops - I thought fer sure Billy McKinney was black.

Reggie Cleveland all stars

[_Sir_Charles_]

A certain poster continually referred to Alex G as Sea Bass. And it never caught on. Except he never gave up.

Well, I got that much...I just never got WHY "sea bass"? Makes ZERO sense that I can figure.

[M2]

Reds get Beaned. Billy Beaned.

Makes sense. McKinney is kind of the opposite of Beane, who tries to avoid kids who remind him of himself.

[Boro_BG_Red]

McKinney seems like a great kid. Would have loved to get him.

[wheels]

Sea Bass was annoying as hades....it's just I can't figure out why it bugged me so much every time it was written.

[Benihana]

I think Krook goes here.

[Puffy]

Reggie Cleveland all stars

Someone get Simmons on the line! The Reggie Cleveland All Stars just got their center fielder of the future

[_Sir_Charles_]

http://redreporter.wikidot.com/sea-bass

reds44 used the nickname regularly for A-Gon, and for some reason it really bugged some people on Redszone.

Thanks guys (Dave too). Goofy nickname...but at least now I know where it came from. One of those little things that's bugged me over the years.

[M2]

Well, I got that much...I just never got WHY "sea bass"? Makes ZERO sense that I can figure.

I'm pretty sure it's a Dumb and Dumber reference (specifically the Cam Neely character in the movie), though how it applies to Gonzalez I'm not sure.

[Wonderful Monds]

Did the Giants just punt?

[Puffy]

I am thinking Reds take Denney.

[Tom Servo]

Haha did Will Clark just realize he left the iron on or something?

[Gallen5862]

Christian Arroyo ranked 102 by Baseball America.

[Wonderful Monds]

A certain poster continually referred to Alex G as Sea Bass. And it never caught on. Except he never gave up.

It was his nickname with the Marlins.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Personally, I want the best OF'er on the board. Austin?

[Wonderful Monds]

Haha did Will Clark just realize he left the iron on or something?

lmao

[M2]

On a separate note, it's depressing to hear that the players being drafted listed to such wussified music. How ready are you to rip a baseball after listening to Taylor Swift?

[Red Swagger]

Hopefully the Reds just take the BPA.. No reaches.

Stanek
Manena
Denney
A Wilson
Jagielo

[M2]

I am thinking Reds take Denney.

He's the top guy left on the Matt Garrioch list.

[Tom Servo]

On a separate note, it's depressing to hear that the players being drafted listed to such wussified music. How ready are you to rip a baseball after listening to Taylor Swift?
Oh man, you have no idea what you just started with Doug.

[Wonderful Monds]

I hope they get Austin Wilson because that's one of the few players
I know of


I have no idea how my draft knowledge fell off so hard in recent years.

[wheels]

On a separate note, it's depressing to hear that the players being drafted listed to such wussified music. How ready are you to rip a baseball after listening to Taylor Swift?

Cloying.

[OnBaseMachine]

Phillip Ervin to the Reds according to JJ Cooper

[Blitz Dorsey]

We're on the clock, y'alls.

[Wonderful Monds]

On a separate note, it's depressing to hear that the players being drafted listed to such wussified music. How ready are you to rip a baseball after listening to Taylor Swift?

Yeah, that segment was sad.

Also, what is it with athletes and that Miley Cyrus song? It's not just athletes either, other "macho" young guys are all over it, every friend I know in a frat admits its in heavy rotation at their houses.

[Puffy]

And the Reds are on clock.......

[Gallen5862]

Eric Jagielo, 3b, Notre Dame

[krm1580]

I would like to see Austin Wilson or Robert Kaminsky but I have a bad feeling it will be Tom Windle

[Red Swagger]

OK boys and girls here we go. Denney? Stanek? Manena? Wilson?

[Tom Servo]

Surprised the Yanks didn't go with Kaminsky.

[wheels]

I wonder if the Yankees pick paints his face and drinks Red pop.

[Benihana]

Wish list with Reds on the clock:

1. Stanek RHP
2. Clarkin LHP
3. Wilson OF
4. Denney C
5. Kaminsky LHP

As a prediction, don't rule out HS LHP Matt Krook or Hunter Green. I like those guys, but I'd rather see them at 38. Phil Ervin is the other guy to keep an eye on. Would also rather see him at 38.

[Puffy]

Back to NYY pick - - Go Irish

Just sayin'

[corkedbat]

Until I saw that about Ervin above, I would have guessed Stanek or Denney.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Let's pick as well as last time we had the #27 overall pick and I'm all good!

[Tom Servo]

I'm just a Jagielo...

[M2]

Wait, did the Yankees just draft this guy?

http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/what-is-a-juggalo.2764772.36.jpg

[Blitz Dorsey]

Back to NYY pick - - Go Irish

Just sayin'

"You can't trust those damn Catholics" -- E. Gordon Gee.

[texasdave]

Eric Davis looks like he is in his prime. In which case he should write his own name on the card.

[OnBaseMachine]

He projects as a 20-20 guy with good defense in CF. Projecting him slowing down and adding a few more pounds, he could be a power hitting right fielder with average defense and an average bat with a handful of stolen bases. That's not quite as impressive, especially if there is a steep learning curve to getting to that point since he hasn't faced tough competition.

http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2013/2/22/4006808/2013-mlb-draft-profile-phillip-ervin-of-samford-university

[Redsfansince72]

I am picking Aaron Judge.. just a guess

[Benihana]

Final predictions?

[RedLegsToday]

it's hard to believe Eric Davis is 50.

[Blitz Dorsey]

I hope we take a guy with no connections to the biogenesis lab in Miami.

[Tom Servo]

Who?

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds take Phillip Ervin. Scouting report looks good.

[Wonderful Monds]

Cincinnatuh Reds

[Redsfansince72]

Ervin a good pick?? i dont know him

[Gallen5862]

Phillip Ervin, of, Samford

[RedLegsToday]

mlb top 100 list has him 21st

[Gainesville Red]

Fangraphs chat:

"Al Skorupa: Reds got a great one with Ervin. Love that kid. Cocky little player with tremendous bat speed. Quick hands. Surprising pop and a very good runner. Lit up the Cape early last Summer."

[Wonderful Monds]

So how polished is this guy, how far off is he?

[Blitz Dorsey]

Dude on MLB.com just compared him to Span defensively and McCutchen offensively.

Yes, please.

[Wonderful Monds]

MLB Network calls him McCutchen at the plate, Denard Span in the OF.

[Tom Servo]

Like what I'm hearing about DatDudeErvin.

[Red Swagger]

I love phillip ervin. Great pick.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Welcome to the Redlegs Phillip Ervin!

[lollipopcurve]

I'm a big Ervin fan. Great quick short swing. Can play in the middle of diamond, but has enough bat to move to LF. Also young for a college eligible player. One of my favorites coming in.

[wheels]

I don't dislike this pick much at all. Could be a quality bat.

[Tony Cloninger]

I like Anderson but no way he was coming down.... I like this one just as well. Let's hope he develops/moves quickly.

[Red Swagger]

The damn Cards are going to get Stanek? I am saying Wilson

[M2]

I though Ervin might be more athlete than ballplayer. Not sure if he's got the bat.

[marcshoe]

Twitter handle @Mr_MagicErvin

[Wonderful Monds]

I though Ervin might be more athlete than ballplayer. Not sure if he's got the bat.

Sounds Stubby.

[Drugs Delaney]

I like it. Read a little about him this afternoon as he was the guy who BA had us taking in the mock draft.

Seems like a good defensive OF with some offensive upside.

[krm1580]

With his size and build he reminds me a little bit of Kirby Puckett. Unlike last year, I don't hate the pick.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Like this pick.

[Wonderful Monds]

So this is the first position player the Reds have taken since Alonso right?

Err no, Grandal.

[Puffy]

Twitter handle @Mr_MagicErvin

Ok, now I am officially diggin this kid! That. Is. Awesome.

[Benihana]

Wish list with Reds on the clock:

1. Stanek RHP
2. Clarkin LHP
3. Wilson OF
4. Denney C
5. Kaminsky LHP

As a prediction, don't rule out HS LHP Matt Krook or Hunter Green. I like those guys, but I'd rather see them at 38. Phil Ervin is the other guy to keep an eye on. Would also rather see him at 38.

The prophet!

Now, let's see one of my guys at 38!!

[nate1213]

The more I keep reading about this guy the more I think of Marte out in Pittsburgh. Anyone else think this?