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Benihana
06-07-2013, 01:38 AM
Heading into Day 2 and Round 3, here are my top 10 guys left on the board. If the Reds can snag 1-2 of these guys today, I'll be happy:

1. Jon Denney HS C
2. JaCoby Jones LSU 2B
3. Cord Sandberg HS OF

[big gap]

4. Kyle Serrano HS RHP (maybe unsignable at this point)
5. Connor Jones HS RHP (ditto)
6. Garrett Hampson HS SS
7. Stephen Tarpley JuCo LHP
8. Kent Emanuel LHP UNC
9. Bobby Wahl RHP Mississippi
10. Jan Hernandez HS 3B (Reds don't have a great track record with Puerto Rican prep infielders- Gabe Rosa, Jose Ronda, Neftali Soto, etc.)

Other names to watch

Ryan Boldt HS OF - don't love his "all-around, nothing spectacular" game, but with his injury he could be value with a 3rd or 4th round pick - if he'll sign
Cavan Biggio HS 2B - ditto, but could be good value in 4th or 5th round
Tyler O'Neill HS C - probably the best catcher remaining after Denney. Reds like to draft Canadian players (Votto, Lotzkar, Hildenbrandt etc.)
Jeremy Martinez HS C - the other next best catcher
Mason Smith HS OF - I like him, but what kind of competition was he playing against in Idaho?

19braves77
06-07-2013, 02:13 AM
Faulkner State star Colin Bray.

Hope Braves or Reds grab him.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 10:34 AM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/best-available-after-first-day/



Best Available After First Day Of MLB Draft

25. Jon Denney, c, Yukon (Okla.) HS
34. Connor Jones, rhp, Great Bridge HS, Chesapeake, Va.
35. Kyle Serrano, rhp, Farragut (Tenn.) HS
37. Bobby Wahl, rhp, Mississippi
42. Cord Sandberg, of, Manatee HS, Bradenton, Fla.
48. Rowdy Tellez, 1b, Elk Grove (Calif.) HS
49. Trey Masek RHP 4YR Texas Tech
50. Andrew Mitchell RHP 4YR Texas Christian
58. Ryan Boldt OF HS Red Wing (Minn.) HS
61. Kent Emanuel LHP 4YR North Carolina
63. Tyler O’Neill C HS Garibaldi SS, Maple Ridge, B.C.
65. Dom Nunez C HS Elk Grove (Calif.) HS
66. Garrett Williams LHP HS Calvary Baptist HS, Shreveport, La.
67. Cavan Biggio 2B HS St. Thomas HS, Houston
68. Jared King OF 4YR Kansas State
70. Chandler Eden RHP HS Yuba City (Calif.) HS
72. Chris Okey C HS Eustis, Fla., HS
73. Tyler Skulina RHP/1B 4YR Kent State
75. Jacoby Jones 2B 4YR Louisiana State
78. A.J. Vanegas RHP 4YR Stanford
79. Michael O’Neill OF 4YR Michigan
80. Jake Brentz LHP HS Parkway South HS, Manchester, Mo..
81. Trey Michalczewski 3B HS Jenks (Okla.) HS
84. Garrett Hampson SS HS Reno (Nev.) HS
85. A.J. Puk LHP HS Washington HS, Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Blitz Dorsey
06-07-2013, 11:15 AM
I just can't wait until today begins because it will immediately bring the third round. That's when Chris Buckley and his staff usually knock one outta the park. They're good in the first round, often times really bad in the second round (with one glaring exception being someone named Billy Hamilton) and great in the third round.

Think about some of the guys the Reds have gotten recently in the third round. Cingrani is of course the biggest, but they've also landed Dan Langfield (great year last season at Billings, hurt so far this year), Donnie Joseph (main chip in Broxton trade) and Zach Stewart (main chip in Rolen trade; also a future Cy Young award winner).

So, which college pitcher are we getting this year in the third round that will be a complete steal?

757690
06-07-2013, 11:48 AM
This is the day the reveals how good a team is at the draft.

The first two rounds are rather easy and obvious. But in the later rounds, the really good teams are able to find solid role players to help fill out the MLB roster. Teams need to develop their own middle relievers and bench guys, and these rounds are where to find them.

If a team is successful in these later rounds, they don't need to sign guys like Izturis and Parra to fill out the MLB roster.

Steve4192
06-07-2013, 11:58 AM
I don't follow the scouting sites well enough to have any opinions on specific players, but hopefully the Reds fill up on up-the-middle position players, as the system is pretty much devoid of talent in that area (especially at SS and C).

RedTeamGo!
06-07-2013, 12:24 PM
Why has Denney not been drafted yet? Is there something wrong with him? Is he going to college? Seems strange.

Benihana
06-07-2013, 01:07 PM
This is the day the reveals how good a team is at the draft.

The first two rounds are rather easy and obvious. But in the later rounds, the really good teams are able to find solid role players to help fill out the MLB roster. Teams need to develop their own middle relievers and bench guys, and these rounds are where to find them.

If a team is successful in these later rounds, they don't need to sign guys like Izturis and Parra to fill out the MLB roster.

In football that's true. In baseball, I disagree. Nothing is easy and obvious, especially after the top 3 picks. I believe its above 50% of major league starters who were drafted were drafted in the top 2 rounds, so I would disagree with your thesis. The bust rate is high enough in the top 2 rounds (more comparable to Day 2 of the NFL Draft) that what you say above is just not true.

If a team finds one future starter in the later rounds for an entire draft, its a success. Scouting directors are judged primarily by what happens in the first two rounds.

Signing guys like Izturius and Parra are not what handicaps a big league team. Signing big name guys (frontline starters and All-Stars) because you couldn't draft homegrown talent in the first two rounds is.

RedTeamGo!
06-07-2013, 01:12 PM
Day 2 of the MLB First Year Player Draft begins in 18 minutes at 12:30

lollipopcurve
06-07-2013, 01:25 PM
If a team finds one future starter in the later rounds for an entire draft, its a success. Scouting directors are judged primarily by what happens in the first two rounds.

Signing guys like Izturius and Parra are not what handicaps a big league team. Signing big name guys (frontline starters and All-Stars) because you couldn't draft homegrown talent in the first two rounds is.

Agree 100% with this perspective.

RedTeamGo!
06-07-2013, 01:35 PM
Is there a way to follow the draft without video?

Benihana
06-07-2013, 01:41 PM
If the Reds can land one of the big three of Denney, J.Jones or Sandberg today, this draft instantly goes from a C+ to a B+ IMO. Same for Serrano if they can sign him.

Of course, grading a draft is a ridiculous exercise.

M2
06-07-2013, 01:45 PM
Is there a way to follow the draft without video?

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2013/drafttracker.jsp

M2
06-07-2013, 01:47 PM
If the Reds can land one of the big three of Denney, J.Jones or Sandberg today, this draft instantly goes from a C+ to a B+ IMO. Same for Serrano if they can sign him.

Tarpley is the guy who'd make me do a happy dance.

Sandberg would be kind of exciting too.

Grande Donkey
06-07-2013, 01:53 PM
If the Reds can land one of the big three of Denney, J.Jones or Sandberg today, this draft instantly goes from a C+ to a B+ IMO. Same for Serrano if they can sign him.

Of course, grading a draft is a ridiculous exercise.

Serrano said last night he is definitely going to Tennessee to play for his dad last night after the first round.

mdccclxix
06-07-2013, 01:59 PM
When does round 3 start?

mdccclxix
06-07-2013, 02:00 PM
ok nm 1 pm

PuffyPig
06-07-2013, 02:02 PM
Serrano said last night he is definitely going to Tennessee to play for his dad last night after the first round.

Makes sense, as no one can really overpay him to get him to sign.

marcshoe
06-07-2013, 02:12 PM
Kind of strange for the Astros to pick a German philosopher in the third round.


Oops, check that. That's Emmanuel, Kent, not Emmanuel Kant.

lollipopcurve
06-07-2013, 02:14 PM
I was holding out a smidgeon of hope the Reds would make a run at Serrano.

Here's a guy I for some reason would like to see the Reds draft -- Rowdy Tellez. Big lefty bat -- and the name. I like his swing too. But of course it would probably be better for them to take the best available arms today.

Also like the catcher Dom Nunez.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 02:16 PM
Getting strong winds and rain from tropical storm Andrea. Power was off and on a couple times.

M2
06-07-2013, 02:17 PM
Here's a guy I for some reason would like to see the Reds draft -- Rowdy Tellez. Big lefty bat -- and the name. I like his swing too.

Tellez might be an instant DH. Got a feeling no NL team will touch him.

RichRed
06-07-2013, 02:19 PM
I think there are some letters missing from Dace Kime's name, I'm just not sure which ones.

RichRed
06-07-2013, 02:19 PM
And there goes Denney to the Red Sox.

M2
06-07-2013, 02:21 PM
And there goes Denney to the Red Sox.

Seems pretty clear that the baseball industry wasn't sold on his bat.

fearofpopvol1
06-07-2013, 02:23 PM
Seems pretty clear that the baseball industry wasn't sold on his bat.

I'm not sure it was the bat, I think it was the signability issues, especially when he fell out of the 1st round.

M2
06-07-2013, 02:24 PM
Is there any way to make this a "live" thread so that we don't have to keep hitting the refresh button?

fearofpopvol1
06-07-2013, 02:26 PM
Pittsburgh takes Jacoby Jones. Benihana cries in a corner somewhere.

M2
06-07-2013, 02:30 PM
I'm not sure it was the bat, I think it was the signability issues, especially when he fell out of the 1st round.

That's probably true as well, but I suspect it's the bat that kept him out of the 1st round. And then teams had to ask themselves if they wanted to go above slot for Denney while still not being sold on his bat.

Benihana
06-07-2013, 02:30 PM
Pittsburgh takes Jacoby Jones. Benihana cries in a corner somewhere.

Yes, yes I am.

Guess we're hoping for Sandberg at this point. Or a pitcher.

Benihana
06-07-2013, 02:31 PM
Nope Sandberg to the Phillies. With him and Crawford, they're having a pretty nice draft.

Now we're hoping for...Tarpley?

M2
06-07-2013, 02:32 PM
Will the Phillies now trade Cord Sandberg for Ivan DeJesus Jr.?

Red Swagger
06-07-2013, 02:33 PM
Tarpley please

redsmetz
06-07-2013, 02:33 PM
Yikes, now I know I'm getting old - the Chisox just drafted Lee May's grandson, Jacob May (Lee May Jr.'s son and, they noted, grand nephew of Carlos May).

RichRed
06-07-2013, 02:36 PM
Yikes, now I know I'm getting old - the Chisox just drafted Lee May's grandson, Jacob May (Lee May Jr.'s son and, they noted, grand nephew of Carlos May).


May is a speedy, switch-hitting leadoff type.

Must take after grandma.

RedTeamGo!
06-07-2013, 02:37 PM
I just don't get drafting a player not in the top 100 in the 2nd round. Seeing all these names go off the board is painful.

Tom Servo
06-07-2013, 02:38 PM
Will the Phillies now trade Cord Sandberg for Ivan DeJesus Jr.?
He would also be the 2nd active baseball player behind Cord Phelps for the Indians with the name Cord. Which begs the question: Since when is 'Cord' a name?

Benihana
06-07-2013, 02:38 PM
Tarpley, Hampson, Wahl, Biggio, Boldt, Smith?

Benihana
06-07-2013, 02:40 PM
Actually Jacob Brentz, Garrett Williams or Dustin Driver could be interesting as well...

Also wonder if this is when the Reds tag Crowe, if there's any truth to that...

RichRed
06-07-2013, 02:43 PM
Tarpley to the O's. Stupid bird teams.

Benihana
06-07-2013, 02:43 PM
Now is the time for the Reds to take a guy who fell for signability reasons. No one they've taken so far should come close to breaking the bank...

MikeS21
06-07-2013, 02:44 PM
He would also be the 2nd active baseball player behind Cord Phelps for the Indians with the name Cord. Which begs the question: Since when is 'Cord' a name?
Strikes a chord with you, does it?

Benihana
06-07-2013, 02:44 PM
I'd really like one of those three HS arms I just mentioned here...

M2
06-07-2013, 02:44 PM
Nope Sandberg to the Phillies. With him and Crawford, they're having a pretty nice draft.

I'd say the Phillies are having a very Phillies draft. The keep reaching into the tool shed.

Benihana
06-07-2013, 02:45 PM
Phillies draft continues to impress me. Now with Jan Hernandez.

M2
06-07-2013, 02:48 PM
Are the Giants conducting a comedy draft?

Benihana
06-07-2013, 02:48 PM
Reds on the clock:

1. Driver RHP
2. Brentz LHP
3. Williams LHP
4. Wahl RHP
5. Hampson SS
6. Biggio 2B
7. Boldt OF
8. M.Smith OF
9. J.Martinez C

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 02:49 PM
Reds are on the Clock.

redsmetz
06-07-2013, 02:50 PM
Now the Yankees just took Paul O'Neill's nephew, Mike O'Neill.

RichRed
06-07-2013, 02:50 PM
Yanks just took Paul O'Neill's nephew, Michael.

redsmetz
06-07-2013, 02:50 PM
Reds take RHP Mark Armstrong, Clarence High School, Clarence, NY (Buffalo area)

Benihana
06-07-2013, 02:52 PM
Seems like a decent pick from the scouting reports.

Big physical kid with good pitchability and projectability.

I don't believe he's related to Jack.

M2
06-07-2013, 02:54 PM
Projectable northern arm with clean mechanics and not a lot of wear and tear? I like the Armstrong pick.

malcontent
06-07-2013, 02:55 PM
Maybe the Reds could trade for a fourth lefty in the organization....someday.

Nathan
06-07-2013, 02:55 PM
Yikes, now I know I'm getting old - the Chisox just drafted Lee May's grandson, Jacob May (Lee May Jr.'s son and, they noted, grand nephew of Carlos May).

Didn't the Reds draft him a couple years ago?

klw
06-07-2013, 02:56 PM
Projectible northern arm with clean mechanics and not a lot of wear and tear? I like the Armstrong pick.

Is a northern arm like a southern car?

M2
06-07-2013, 02:57 PM
Is a northern arm like a southern car?

Almost exactly.

dunner13
06-07-2013, 02:57 PM
Seems like the Reds keep taking guys that are kind of off the radar, with high ceilings but are somewhat of a project. Not saying thats a bad thing, just an observation.

RedlegJake
06-07-2013, 03:00 PM
I really like this pick and the signability of picks 38 and 67 should allow them to entice Armstrong away from college.

Tom Servo
06-07-2013, 03:01 PM
6'02" 210lbs DOB: 11/26/94 | Scouting video
Armstrong is a strong, athletic right-hander from just outside Buffalo. While his present stuff is good, it isn't as enticing as his upside of having three at least Major League-average offerings. Armstrong's fastball sits around 90 mph and he mixes in a hard, downer curveball and changeup. Scouts think he has the potential to improve thanks to clean mechanics and his 6-fooot-3, 200-pound frame. Despite playing football and hockey in addition to baseball and not having as much game experience as his Southern counterparts, Armstrong already earns high marks for his pitchability. He is committed to Pittsburgh.

Benihana
06-07-2013, 03:01 PM
I really like this pick and the signability of picks 38 and 67 should allow them to entice Armstrong away from college.

Is Armstrong supposed to be a tough sign? I didn't see that anywhere.

RedlegJake
06-07-2013, 03:03 PM
Is Armstrong supposed to be a tough sign? I didn't see that anywhere.

Committed to Pittsburgh

M2
06-07-2013, 03:03 PM
Two kids on my radar at the moment are Chandler Eden and Jake Brentz.

M2
06-07-2013, 03:04 PM
Committed to Pittsburgh

Every prep player is committed to some college. That doesn't necessarily mean they really want to go.

_Sir_Charles_
06-07-2013, 03:07 PM
Tarpley, Hampson, Wahl, Biggio, Boldt, Smith?

I've seen quite a bit of Biggio...color me impressed with the kid. But the Houston franchise would go bonkers if they got him.

RedlegJake
06-07-2013, 03:09 PM
Buckley plays the dollars game very well....I am betting he is going off chart a bit for upside AND for signing strategy. You can't just blindly pick the next guy on the prospect chart unless you have a strategy to sign them...and the dollar limits play into it...he did it last year too...going for better later picks with savings from rounds 1a thru 5 or 6 but still getting upside ie the Hamilton pick...I liken 67 to that strategy...rough ultra upside but power rather than speed this time.

M2
06-07-2013, 03:10 PM
I've seen quite a bit of Biggio...color me impressed with the kid. But the Houston franchise would go bonkers if they got him.

I don't know. If Houston wanted Biggio, it's had ample opportunity to pick him.

In quasi-related news, the Mets just picked Lee Mazzilli's kid.

RedlegJake
06-07-2013, 03:12 PM
Every prep player is committed to some college. That doesn't necessarily mean they really want to go.

True...usually depends on draft slot and dollars now vs can I improve by going to college...plus is the kid high on academics? 67 strikes me as I want to play ball while 107 seems harder...just my take reading on both

M2
06-07-2013, 03:12 PM
Buckley plays the dollars game very well....I am betting he is going off chart a bit for upside AND for signing strategy.

Probably correct. I suspect he also lined up Armstrong last night or this morning before making that pick.

_Sir_Charles_
06-07-2013, 03:12 PM
I don't know. If Houston wanted Biggio, it's had ample opportunity to pick him.

In quasi-related news, the Mets just picked Lee Mazzilli's kid.

Sorry, I meant the fan-base going bonkers.

marcshoe
06-07-2013, 03:13 PM
Is Stephen Gonsalves, drafted by the Twins, related to the Ghost Hunters guy? Should I be embarrassed that I immediately made this connection?

RedlegJake
06-07-2013, 03:14 PM
Dp

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 03:24 PM
It looks like alot of the names from Round 3 wish list is still available.

cumberlandreds
06-07-2013, 03:32 PM
Yikes, now I know I'm getting old - the Chisox just drafted Lee May's grandson, Jacob May (Lee May Jr.'s son and, they noted, grand nephew of Carlos May).

Dang! I am too. I remember seeing junior play in rookie ball at Kingsport Tennesee. Never made it to the show of course but still.......

edabbs44
06-07-2013, 03:32 PM
Is Stephen Gonsalves, drafted by the Twins, related to the Ghost Hunters guy? Should I be embarrassed that I immediately made this connection?

Unsure. And totally.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 03:32 PM
Reds are on the clock.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 03:35 PM
Ben

Lively | RHP

Central Florida

DOB: 03/05/1992

redsmetz
06-07-2013, 03:35 PM
Reds take RHP Ben Lively out of Central Florida, 6' 4", draft notes say:

Lively has never wowed scouts with his raw stuff, but he has quietly put together a solid college career. He isn't afraid to attack hitters with his four-pitch arsenal even though he doesn't feature a plus pitch. Lively's fastball sits in the low-90s and his slider is his best secondary offering. Listed at 6-foot-4, 211 pounds and out of Central Florida, Lively has ideal size for a right-hander. He commands all four of his pitches well and his delivery creates some deception. Lively has performed well in a few high-profile matchups this season, beating Jacksonville's Chris Anderson and Marshall's Aaron Blair.

And there's loads of gags in the name. Have at it.

M2
06-07-2013, 03:35 PM
I don't have much of an opinion on Ben Lively, but I twitch whenever the Reds pick someone from Central Florida.

RedlegJake
06-07-2013, 03:35 PM
Can you say Mike Leake light?

Benihana
06-07-2013, 03:36 PM
I believe Sickels had him rated as his 50th best pitcher in the draft. I guess that's OK value for pick 135...

I really wish we'd take more guys with upside in rounds 3-10. In this case that would be a guy like Jacob Brentz or Dustin Driver. I don't get what the point is of having solid college players that don't project to anything at the major league level, which seems to be Buckely's specialty- especially after the 3rd round.

Even if they don't sign, at this point who cares? You lose nothing by not trying.

RedlegJake
06-07-2013, 03:37 PM
4pitches...excellent command...poise but no one dminant pitch

JaxRed
06-07-2013, 03:37 PM
I don't have much of an opinion on Ben Lively, but I twitch whenever the Reds pick someone from Central Florida.

Good twitch or bad twitch?

HokieRed
06-07-2013, 03:37 PM
Command of 4 pitches and some deception--and yet he doesn't impress scouts? Seems some disconnect there.

RedlegJake
06-07-2013, 03:38 PM
Yuck. Sounds to me like the pitching equivalent of LaMarre-Lohman-Greene. A college player (in this case pitcher) with nothing projectable but a solid college career. At best probably a middle reliever.

I'M higher but I still see MOR as the upside

RedlegJake
06-07-2013, 03:41 PM
Low 90s fb and 3 other pitches? With good command of all 4? That fb must be stringline straight if he doesn't impress...

Wonderful Monds
06-07-2013, 03:46 PM
4pitches...excellent command...poise but no one dminant pitch

Hello new Sam LeCure.

RichRed
06-07-2013, 03:47 PM
Another legacy pick: Marlins select Chad Wallach, son of Tim.

RedlegJake
06-07-2013, 03:47 PM
So far in 5 picks there are 3 guys who should move quickly...polish and potential with just 1 of them having star type ceiling. 2 HS guys 1 raw the other seemingly pretty developed considering a HS arm. Seems to hedging bets toward safe picks with 1 real wildcard in Franklin.

RedlegJake
06-07-2013, 03:49 PM
Hello new Sam LeCure.

I'd take that

M2
06-07-2013, 04:12 PM
Good twitch or bad twitch?

Chad Mottola twitch

JaxRed
06-07-2013, 04:15 PM
That would be a bad twitch.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 04:15 PM
Bobby Wahl was a 5th Round pick of the A's.

ProfessorTofty
06-07-2013, 04:17 PM
Reds are on the clock again.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 04:17 PM
Reds are on the Clock.

klw
06-07-2013, 04:19 PM
Thompson, Cory Mauldin HS (SC) SS

5'11" 180lbs DOB: 09/23/94 | Scouting video

Thompson, a legitimate two-way prospect, has presented scouts with a challenge this spring. There is still a split opinion about what position he will play as a professional. On the mound, Thompson throws in the low-90s with a good curveball and changeup. But at 5-foot-11, 180 pounds, Thompson is undersized for a right-hander. Thompson is an excellent athlete, which helps him on the mound and as a shortstop. Thompson has good hands at shortstop and a good arm. Offensively, he makes consistent contact and has good speed. Thompson is committed to South Carolina, where he would continue as a two-way player.

ProfessorTofty
06-07-2013, 04:19 PM
Shortstop Cory Thompson from Maudlin, SC is the pick.

RichRed
06-07-2013, 04:19 PM
Chad Mottola twitch

Maybe Lively will be pitching coach for the Blue Jays one day.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 04:19 PM
:

Round 5 : Pick 165

Cory

Thompson | SS

Mauldin HS

DOB: 09/23/1994

Benihana
06-07-2013, 04:19 PM
Bobby Wahl was a 5th Round pick of the A's.

A's also having a strong draft.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 04:20 PM
Corey Thompson is also a pitcher.

ProfessorTofty
06-07-2013, 04:20 PM
Here's his Twitter-- https://twitter.com/C_Thompson12

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 04:22 PM
Who are the top players still remaining?

klw
06-07-2013, 04:23 PM
Article on Thompson
http://www.thestate.com/2013/06/05/2804182/mauldin-high-player-should-hear.html


Thompson has been a dominant starting pitcher for Mauldin. Featuring a fastball that consistently clocks 89-92 mph, he had a 1.70 ERA this season. He struck out 67 batters in 53 innings.

But Thompson is also a standout hitter who led off and played shortstop. He hit .416 with 42 runs, six home runs and 23 RBIs. He stole 16 bases in 17 attempts and struck out six times.

While pro scouts have been split on the position Thompson would play, he believes whatever team drafts him will allow him to hit first.

“Some scouts say if hitting doesn’t work out, I could switch back to pitching, but I couldn’t switch back to hitting after not hitting for a few years,” Thompson said.




Thompson, who has committed to South Carolina, said he will sit down with his family after the draft and determine if he will sign with a pro team or head to Columbia. He said the decision will be based primarily on how highly he’s drafted.

“Whatever path he chooses, I’m confident Cory will succeed,” said Mauldin coach Jim Maciejewski, who added that Thompson’s even-keeled personality helped him perform well under the watchful eye of scouts all season.

Scouts didn’t stop watching after the school year. After taking his final exam May 24, Thompson and his father, Fred, traveled to Phoenix last week for a pre-draft workout with the Arizona Diamondbacks. From there, it was on to Chicago for a workout with the White Sox on Sunday.

“It was nice going to Chicago. I was born there and haven’t been back in 13 years,” said Thompson, who also worked out for the Cardinals (in Florida), Nationals, Padres, Dodgers, Red Sox (in Atlanta) and Reds (in Charlotte) this year.

Benihana
06-07-2013, 04:24 PM
I like the Thompson pick

M2
06-07-2013, 04:25 PM
That would be a bad twitch.

It's practically a grand mal seizure.

malcontent
06-07-2013, 04:37 PM
I like the Thompson pick
So do I.

I just wish Buckley valued LHP more. Cardinals have taken three so far.

Since he's been scouting director, how many good ones has he taken besides Tony Cingrani and Donnie Joseph?

M2
06-07-2013, 04:50 PM
I'm liking the Thompson pick too (BA ranked him #119 overall) ... but I have a well-documented fetish for shortstops.

fearofpopvol1
06-07-2013, 04:51 PM
So do I.

I just wish Buckley valued LHP more. Cardinals have taken three so far.

Since he's been scouting director, how many good ones has he taken besides Tony Cingrani and Donnie Joseph?

Make it 4 LHP now for the Cards.

edabbs44
06-07-2013, 04:51 PM
I like the Thompson pick

I think an undervalued talent in the game is the hitter/pitcher. Can teams find a way to have them do both in the lower levels and let their talent decide which direction to go in? Do these guys truly need to be 100% pitcher or hitter once drafted or can someone like Thompson be 80/20, at least get the bat in his hands a few times per week just in case?

Benihana
06-07-2013, 04:52 PM
So do I.

I just wish Buckley valued LHP more. Cardinals have taken three so far.

Since he's been scouting director, how many good ones has he taken besides Tony Cingrani and Donnie Joseph?

Agreed. Donnie Joseph counts as good?

I actually really like the Thompson pick. I like the athletic middle infielders from South Carolina, Georgia and Mississippi. I wanted Tim Anderson. Hopefully Thompson can realize the same kind of success that Brandon Phillips, Zack Cozart and Billy Hamilton have had in this organization.

Benihana
06-07-2013, 04:56 PM
In keeping with the overall theme of this year's draft, 3 of the Reds top 6 picks are African American. That's a good thing (and I don't believe has happened in my lifetime)

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 05:02 PM
Reds are on the clock.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 05:03 PM
Zack

Weiss | RHP

UCLA

DOB: 06/16/1992

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 05:04 PM
Zach Weiss was a 10th round pick of the Pirates in 2010.

malcontent
06-07-2013, 05:04 PM
Agreed. Donnie Joseph counts as good?
Point taken. Though he obviously did have some trade value.

Buckley's drafts = Death by a 1000 RHP.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 05:09 PM
JJ Cooper @jjcoop36

We're at the point where most of the top names left on our board will likely go in the 11th round and on now where slot money isn't at risk


2:53 PM - 7 Jun 2013

Benihana
06-07-2013, 05:13 PM
JJ Cooper @jjcoop36

We're at the point where most of the top names left on our board will likely go in the 11th round and on now where slot money isn't at risk


2:53 PM - 7 Jun 2013

Would really like to see Reds take a gamble and try to sign one of:

Jake Brentz LHP
Dustin Driver RHP
Garrett Williams LHP
AJ Puk RHP
Chandler Eden RHP
Cavan Biggio 2B
Ryan Boldt OF

Seems like Serrano and Jones are completely unsignable, but these guys seem like there is at least a chance. I wouldn't pay a ton to Biggio or Boldt (not like Biggio needs it) but it would be nice to land one of the pitchers.

Benihana
06-07-2013, 05:14 PM
Point taken. Though he obviously did have some trade value.

Buckley's drafts = Death by a 1000 RHP.

Every year I always pine for the top HS LHP in the draft. 2 years ago it was Norris. Last year it was Fried. This year it was Clarkin or Ball. Every year I end up disappointed.

Cue Mick Jagger

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 05:45 PM
Reds are on the clock.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 05:47 PM
Tyler

Mahle | RHP

Westminster HS

DOB: 09/29/1994

M2
06-07-2013, 05:49 PM
The A's just drafted Stiffler. Now they'll have to negotiate with his mom.

http://images.wikia.com/degrassi/images/e/e0/American_Pie_Stifler.jpg

RadfordVA
06-07-2013, 05:51 PM
What is the reason for wanting a LHP? Just to say you have one? RHP have the platoon advantage more often, so no statistic reason to take one. Usually they are more over valued than rhp so you end up taking the lesser talent just due to handedness.

fearofpopvol1
06-07-2013, 05:53 PM
What is the reason for wanting a LHP? Just to say you have one? RHP have the platoon advantage more often, so no statistic reason to take one. Usually they are more over valued than rhp so you end up taking the lesser talent just due to handedness.

I don't think anyone is suggesting they should draft LHP just to draft them. But it's so rare they take them and the Reds have passed on good ones.

malcontent
06-07-2013, 06:03 PM
From mlb.com. Salt/open wound.

Teams love projectable lefties and Mahle definitely fits this description. Right now his fastball will sit in the high 80s but he should see an uptick in velocity as he fills out. His curveball and changeup need a lot of work at the next level but both have the chance to be average or better. He has very smooth mechanics and a repeatable delivery, leading many to believe that he will have good command in the future. Mahle also has a great feel for pitching and is very aggressive on the mound. He is committed to play at UCSB where his brother Tyler plays.

malcontent
06-07-2013, 06:07 PM
I don't think anyone is suggesting they should draft LHP just to draft them. But it's so rare they take them and the Reds have passed on good ones.
Agreed. Chris Sale might have been nice, for one.

I'm telling you, I think Buckley's ex-wife is a lefty. He's most definitely got somethin' agin' 'em.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 06:32 PM
Reds are on the clock.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 06:37 PM
Scott Brattvet RHP Cal State - Bakersfield (CA

BillDoran
06-07-2013, 06:40 PM
Scott Brattvet RHP Cal State - Bakersfield (CA

Line from his senior year at CSB:


W L W-L% ERA FIP APP GS IP R ER H HR BB K AVG BABIP WHIP HR/9 BB/9 K/9
9 1 0.900 2.55 3.86 15 15 98.7 40 28 95 2 42 70 0.251 0.303 1.39 0.18 3.83 6.39

Benihana
06-07-2013, 06:46 PM
Hard for me to pay much attention after the first 6 or 7 rounds. Would love to see them pop a high-ticket guy like Brentz if he's still out there. Cavan Biggio would be interesting now as well.

Nathan
06-07-2013, 06:51 PM
Line from his senior year at CSB:


W L W-L% ERA FIP APP GS IP R ER H HR BB K AVG BABIP WHIP HR/9 BB/9 K/9
9 1 0.900 2.55 3.86 15 15 98.7 40 28 95 2 42 70 0.251 0.303 1.39 0.18 3.83 6.39

Wonder what his GB/FB rate was.. He did a nice job keeping the ball in the park.

_Sir_Charles_
06-07-2013, 06:52 PM
From mlb.com. Salt/open wound.

Teams love projectable lefties and Mahle definitely fits this description. Right now his fastball will sit in the high 80s but he should see an uptick in velocity as he fills out. His curveball and changeup need a lot of work at the next level but both have the chance to be average or better. He has very smooth mechanics and a repeatable delivery, leading many to believe that he will have good command in the future. Mahle also has a great feel for pitching and is very aggressive on the mound. He is committed to play at UCSB where his brother Tyler plays.

I'm confused. Tyler Mahle has a brother who plays at UCSB named Tyler Mahle? Are we sure this article is correct? Cuz that don't sound right.

edabbs44
06-07-2013, 07:03 PM
I'm confused. Tyler Mahle has a brother who plays at UCSB named Tyler Mahle? Are we sure this article is correct? Cuz that don't sound right.

Especially when you consider that he is a RHP.

malcontent
06-07-2013, 07:11 PM
Especially when you consider that he is a RHP.
Only way Buckley drafts a lefty is by mistaking him for his twin RH brother.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 07:13 PM
Reds are on the clock.

ProfessorTofty
06-07-2013, 07:14 PM
Chad Jones, LHP

Red Swagger
06-07-2013, 07:16 PM
Great story on Jones, drafted as a SS from LSU by the Giants, then got into a car wreck. I welcome him to the Reds, HUGE UPSIDE

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 07:16 PM
Chad Jones, LHP, No School but formerly of LSU but was a 3rd round nfl pick by the New York Giants.

ProfessorTofty
06-07-2013, 07:17 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000168337/article/chad-jones-will-try-baseball-after-failed-nfl-comeback - here's a NFL.com story about Jones and his decision to try baseball.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 07:18 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000168337/article/chad-jones-will-try-baseball-after-failed-nfl-comeback

Former New York Giants third-round draft pick Chad Jones never played a down in the NFL after a devastating 2010 auto accident in which he nearly lost his left leg.

Nearly three years removed from the accident, Jones officially has ended his football comeback, Fletcher Mackel of WDSU-TV in New Orleans reported Thursday.

Once a hybrid safety/linebacker with excellent speed and unique athleticism, Jones simply couldn't recapture his pre-accident form after more than a dozen surgeries on his leg. Cut by the Giants last offseason, Jones worked out for his hometown New Orleans Saints as recently as late January.

Jones now will turn his attention to pro baseball. A left-hander with a 91-mph fastball, Jones was a 13th-round pick by the Houston Astros coming out of high school. After helping LSU win the 2009 College World Series, he was selected by the Milwaukee Brewers in the 50th round of the 2010 MLB Draft. Jones passed up a potential MLB career when he was drafted by the Giants.

M2
06-07-2013, 07:21 PM
Jones has got a pro wrestling vibe about him - southpaw from parts unknown.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 07:22 PM
http://www.wdsu.com/sports/former-lsu-pitcher-safety-chad-jones-pitches-for-mlb-scouts-tuesday/-/9853524/20330094/-/k2wxa2/-/index.html

Once it was clear that I wasn’t going to be able to get on the field, I turned it back over to my second love, which I knew would take off for me,” Jones told reporters Tuesday. “I never felt like it was a rush to get back to baseball, because I knew I still had it in me to throw and even hit if that was the case.”

Jones threw in front of four MLB scouts at Rummel High School Tuesday.

His fastball was clocked in between 88 and 91 mph.

Jones said that he hasn’t begun strength training yet, but he is confident he can increase his velocity to 93 or 94 mph after proper training.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 07:23 PM
The article included a video.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 07:32 PM
The Padres just drafted someone from my alma mata. He was a walkon.

Justin

Livengood | RHP

UNC - Wilmington

DOB: 03/02/1990

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 07:52 PM
The Reds are on the clock.

Gallen5862
06-07-2013, 07:56 PM
Daniel

Wright | RHP

Arkansas State

DOB: 04/03/1991

Tom Servo
06-07-2013, 07:57 PM
The Padres just drafted someone from my alma mata. He was a walkon.

Justin

Livengood | RHP

UNC - Wilmington

DOB: 03/02/1990
Hey, my alma mater too. :beerme:

Benihana
06-07-2013, 07:59 PM
What is interesting is that if you look back on the last six drafts, after the first 100 picks, here are the most interesting names who have logged big league time we have drafted:

Tony Cingrani
Dave Sappelt

That's it. No one else is remotely interesting, unless you count Pedro Villareal. Shows you how little things matter after the 3rd round of the draft (Cingrani was a late 3rd rounder, so he came after the 100th pick).

Going back to Buckley's first two drafts, you could add Neftali Soto, Justin Turner, Josh Roenicke and of course Chris Heisey to the list of people who have "mattered." Still a thoroughly unimpressive list (and that's not a knock on Buckley, but on anyone who gets too worked up after the 3rd round of the draft).

_Sir_Charles_
06-07-2013, 08:05 PM
What is interesting is that if you look back on the last six drafts, after the first 100 picks, here are the most interesting names who have logged big league time we have drafted:

Tony Cingrani
Dave Sappelt

That's it. No one else is remotely interesting, unless you count Pedro Villareal. Shows you how little things matter after the 3rd round of the draft (Cingrani was a late 3rd rounder, so he came after the 100th pick).

Going back to Buckley's first two drafts, you could add Neftali Soto, Justin Turner, Josh Roenicke and of course Chris Heisey to the list of people who have "mattered." Still a thoroughly unimpressive list (and that's not a knock on Buckley, but on anyone who gets too worked up after the 3rd round of the draft).

You should include the words...SO FAR. You never know who'll take off in the next year or so.

Blitz Dorsey
06-07-2013, 08:38 PM
6'02" 210lbs DOB: 11/26/94 | Scouting video
Armstrong is a strong, athletic right-hander from just outside Buffalo. While his present stuff is good, it isn't as enticing as his upside of having three at least Major League-average offerings. Armstrong's fastball sits around 90 mph and he mixes in a hard, downer curveball and changeup. Scouts think he has the potential to improve thanks to clean mechanics and his 6-fooot-3, 200-pound frame. Despite playing football and hockey in addition to baseball and not having as much game experience as his Southern counterparts, Armstrong already earns high marks for his pitchability. He is committed to Pittsburgh.

Pretty impressive he was able to grow an inch and lose 10 pounds all within the same scouting report.

malcontent
06-07-2013, 08:47 PM
Going back to Buckley's first two drafts, you could add Neftali Soto, Justin Turner, Josh Roenicke and of course Chris Heisey to the list of people who have "mattered." Still a thoroughly unimpressive list (and that's not a knock on Buckley, but on anyone who gets too worked up after the 3rd round of the draft).
Very interesting. But I can't see how it isn't a very real knock on his drafts.

Benihana
06-07-2013, 09:03 PM
You should include the words...SO FAR. You never know who'll take off in the next year or so.

There are a couple prospects who are a little bit interesting. Cisco and Romano in Dayton. Rogers and Barnhart in Pensacola. We'll see what happens once Langfield comes back healthy. But it's not as if there are a whole host of top shelf prospects from this bunch that are knocking on the door- they will most likely be backups and fringe players if they do reach the bigs someday.

It's not, as I said, so much of a knock on Buckley & Co. but it's more reflective of how meaningless the draft is for every team after the first couple rounds. It just doesn't really move the needle, and it's rare when it does.

malcontent
06-07-2013, 09:29 PM
What is the reason for wanting a LHP? Just to say you have one? RHP have the platoon advantage more often, so no statistic reason to take one. Usually they are more over valued than rhp so you end up taking the lesser talent just due to handedness.
Aren't about 40% of MLB pitchers LHP?

Tony Cloninger
06-07-2013, 10:20 PM
I believe Sickels had him rated as his 50th best pitcher in the draft. I guess that's OK value for pick 135...

I really wish we'd take more guys with upside in rounds 3-10. In this case that would be a guy like Jacob Brentz or Dustin Driver. I don't get what the point is of having solid college players that don't project to anything at the major league level, which seems to be Buckely's specialty- especially after the 3rd round.

Even if they don't sign, at this point who cares? You lose nothing by not trying.

Agree 100%. I know they want guys who move quickly but it is not working.

dougdirt
06-07-2013, 10:33 PM
Aren't about 40% of MLB pitchers LHP?

About half of that.

fearofpopvol1
06-07-2013, 11:57 PM
There are a couple prospects who are a little bit interesting. Cisco and Romano in Dayton. Rogers and Barnhart in Pensacola. We'll see what happens once Langfield comes back healthy. But it's not as if there are a whole host of top shelf prospects from this bunch that are knocking on the door- they will most likely be backups and fringe players if they do reach the bigs someday.

It's not, as I said, so much of a knock on Buckley & Co. but it's more reflective of how meaningless the draft is for every team after the first couple rounds. It just doesn't really move the needle, and it's rare when it does.

With where Albert Pujols went, as rare as it may be, it always gives you hope.

Benihana
06-08-2013, 12:11 AM
With where Albert Pujols went, as rare as it may be, it always gives you hope.

Yep. Matt Kemp, Mat Latos, Roy Oswalt and Jake Peavy also.


Don't forget our old friend Kevin Youkilis, who Relaxed Larry so wisely proposed we trade a declining Barry Larkin for back in 2001 (yet was mocked for it on this very board.)

Blitz Dorsey
06-08-2013, 12:59 AM
What is interesting is that if you look back on the last six drafts, after the first 100 picks, here are the most interesting names who have logged big league time we have drafted:

Tony Cingrani
Dave Sappelt

That's it. No one else is remotely interesting, unless you count Pedro Villareal. Shows you how little things matter after the 3rd round of the draft (Cingrani was a late 3rd rounder, so he came after the 100th pick).

Going back to Buckley's first two drafts, you could add Neftali Soto, Justin Turner, Josh Roenicke and of course Chris Heisey to the list of people who have "mattered." Still a thoroughly unimpressive list (and that's not a knock on Buckley, but on anyone who gets too worked up after the 3rd round of the draft).

LeCure was a fourth-rounder. I know that was just past your cutoff of "last 6 years" but that was one hell of good pick by Buckley and his staff. (Or was that just before Buckley was hired? Can't remember for sure.)

Benihana
06-08-2013, 01:05 AM
LeCure was a fourth-rounder. I know that was just past your cutoff of "last 6 years" but that was one hell of good pick by Buckley and his staff. (Or was that just before Buckley was hired? Can't remember for sure.)

LeCure was in the 2005 (Jay Bruce) draft. That was pre-Buckley I believe.

Blitz Dorsey
06-08-2013, 02:29 AM
LeCure was in the 2005 (Jay Bruce) draft. That was pre-Buckley I believe.

Gotcha. Thx.

You make good points. The MLB draft in itself is a crapshoot (even the first two rounds). But the odds become even more microscopic after you get past the third round.

malcontent
06-08-2013, 04:28 AM
About half of that.
Let's split the difference, Doug.

30.2% (current MLB rosters)

Reds with an MLB low of two are in great company (Cubs, Brewers and Royals).

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rosters

RedEye
06-08-2013, 11:27 PM
Don't forget our old friend Kevin Youkilis, who Relaxed Larry so wisely proposed we trade a declining Barry Larkin for back in 2001 (yet was mocked for it on this very board.)

Relaxed Larry?