Hanigan to Rays, David Holmberg to Reds, PTBNL to Arizona

[RadfordVA]

via Ken Rosenthal

[Raisor]

And Buster Posey on twitter

[KOBasinger]

And Buster Posey on twitter

olney?

[RadfordVA]

Possible 3 team deal. Should be interesting. Gonna guess double a prospect ranked 10 to 20 on teams respected list comes back to Reds. Complete guess. Anyone else wanna take a stab at it?

[KOBasinger]

I see somebody say we got Kendrick from Angels? 3 team trade?

[Old school 1983]

For who? Good call by WOY earlier today

[reds44]

I see somebody say we got Kendrick from Angels? 3 team trade?

Huh?!

[RadfordVA]

Huh?!

Yeah haven't seen that one at all.

[Raisor]

olney?

Yeah. That makes more sense

[KOBasinger]

Huh?!

not 100% sure. standby

[RadfordVA]

Gotta love when news of a trade starts to break in this day and age. Makes the offseason a lot more interesting than it use to be. Instead of just hearing about the end results all at once in the paper.

[reds44]

Reporting the Reds traded Hanigan when Kendrick is trading places would seem to be burrying the lead lol

[Benihana]

I called for Tim Beckham weeks ago, let's see....

[reds44]

I called for Tim Beckham weeks ago, let's see....
I'd be down.

[cincyinco]

Really interested to see what Hanigan is going to bring back..

[757690]

Prepare to be underwhelmed.

[cincyinco]

Perhaps, but I also think my expectations are realistic.

[kaldaniels]

I predict Hanigan gets eaten up by AL East pitchers. Not a big stretch in that prediction.

[TOBTTReds]

I called for Tim Beckham weeks ago, let's see....

If that happens, it begs other questions:

Is he our starting 2B next year?
Is he our starting SS next year?
Is BP now officially on the move?
Is he more of a project and start in AAA?

This could get fun.

[Tom Servo]

Prepare to be underwhelmed.
That's what I'm thinking.

[M2]

If that happens, it begs other questions:

Is he our starting 2B next year?
Is he our starting SS next year?
Is BP now officially on the move?
Is he more of a project and start in AAA?

No
No
No
Yes

[RedFanAlways1966]

That's what I'm thinking.

Perhaps that is what the Rays fans are thinking too.

[cincyinco]

Lol, on trade rumors someone says this means David pryce is gone?! Wth?

[Caveat Emperor]

I would have guessed Ryan Hanigan to have next to zero trade value.

So, I guess even a bag of baseballs coming back would constitute quality value.

[RadfordVA]

I hope for an arm that is in the top 20 of some teams prospect rankings. A lottery ticket basically.

[M2]

Kids I'd be interested in from the Rays system - Enny Romero, Jesse Hahn and Ryan Brett. Hak-Ju Lee would be interesting dependent on how his knee is recovering from ligament damage. In fact, Lee would be my primary target if his prognosis is promising.

Beckham is the kind of player JimBo used to have a fetish for (hype>>>performance).

[Benihana]

Would be very happy with Blake Snell, Richie Shaffer or Hak-Ju Lee.

Would be moderately happy with Tim Beckham.

Would be disappointed but certainly not shocked if it's someone in their org outside of the top 15 prospects we've never heard of.

[WrongVerb]

Kids I'd be interested in from the Rays system - Enny Romero, Jesse Hahn and Ryan Brett. Hak-Ju Lee would be interesting dependent on how his knee is recovering from ligament damage. In fact, Lee would be my primary target if his prognosis is promising.

Beckham is the kind of player JimBo used to have a fetish for (hype>>>performance).

But his performance still isn't terrible. OBP close to .350 in the minors with a little power. I'd be up for taking a flyer on him at the cost of Hanigan.

[JaxRed]

Could be DeJesus maybe?

[mdccclxix]

I'm hoping the 3 team report leads to someone else coming to Cincinnati other than a Rays player, they wouldn't get rid of a quality affordable player. Beckham sounds nice, but he's not going to change the team next year for the better. Perhaps it's a player the Reds scouted that no one could predict but that they like a lot. I'm thinking a nice bullpen arm with upside would be good. I'd settle for a low A player if it meant better quality return. But that leaves out the 2014 plan.

[RadfordVA]

Kids I'd be interested in from the Rays system - Enny Romero, Jesse Hahn and Ryan Brett. Hak-Ju Lee would be interesting dependent on how his knee is recovering from ligament damage. In fact, Lee would be my primary target if his prognosis is promising.

Beckham is the kind of player JimBo used to have a fetish for (hype>>>performance).

I do not even think there is hype with him anymore. Been a couple seasons since he has been on any top 100 prospect lists. He is a 23 year old with bad k rates in minors. Will be lucky to carve out a career as a utility guy probably.

[lollipopcurve]

My guess, a minor league arm with upside who doesn't need to be put on the 40 man yet.

[Old school 1983]

If it's a three team deal, it's hard to predict who is going where. Hanigan may be a smaller piece in a larger deal.

[AmarilloRed]

nm

[Gallen5862]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Rays To Acquire Ryan Hanigan

By Zach Links [December 3 at 11:38am CST]

The Reds are trading catcher Ryan Hanigan to the Rays, sources tell Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (Twitter link). The swap could be a three-way deal.

It was expected that Cincinnati would move Hanigan since they agreed to a two-year deal with Brayan Pena. The 33-year-old had the worst season of his career in 2013, batting just .198/.306/.261 and tying a career-low with two home runs. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects Hanigan to earn $2.3MM through arbitration this offseason, which won't break the bank for the cost-conscious Rays.

Hanigan will give the Rays three catchers with Jose Lobaton and Jose Molina already in the fold. Molina is staying in Tampa Bay after agreeing to come back on a two-year, $4.5MM deal last month.

Hanigan has long been known as a patient hitter that is tough to strike out, as evidenced by a career 12 percent walk rate and 10.1 percent strikeout rate. He also has a reputation as a solid defensive backstop, having led the league in caught-stealing percentage in 2013 (45 percent) and 2012 (48 percent).

[RadfordVA]

Oakland reportedly the 3rd team. Time to look at their prospects haha

[M2]

But his performance still isn't terrible. OBP close to .350 in the minors with a little power. I'd be up for taking a flyer on him at the cost of Hanigan.

He lacks the power, speed or glove to be truly interesting. He's got a low ceiling. I'd prefer a kid who offered more in the way of potential impact.

[LoganBuck]

Will Carroll just put it out that he is hearing that Oakland is involved in a three way deal.

[mdccclxix]

Oakland reportedly the 3rd team. Time to look at their prospects haha

Coco Crisp maybe? The A's could be looking to shed payroll with their recent Jim Johnson/Scott Kazmir signings.

[cincyinco]

Brett Anderson was available... Or so I read. But that doesn't seem to jive with Ryan Hanigan.

[bellhead]

Will Carroll just put it out that he is hearing that Oakland is involved in a three way deal.

Hearing Josh Reddick...:)

According to my barber...

[RedsManRick]

Buster Olney: Ryan Hanigan will get multi-year deal as part of this trade to the Rays...

[RedTeamGo!]

Oakland and Tampa are two of the smartest/best ran orgs in baseball - anyone else think Uncle Walt is about to be taken behind the woodshed?

[westofyou]

Oakland and Tampa are two of the smartest/best ran orgs in baseball - anyone else think Uncle Walt is about to be taken behind the woodshed?

Wait, just yesterday he was screwed because he couldn't unload him.

[LoganBuck]

Brett Anderson was available... Or so I read. But that doesn't seem to jive with Ryan Hanigan.

Reportedly not in deal

[M2]

Michael Choice could be really interesting if the A's are involved.

[RedTeamGo!]

Wait, just yesterday he was screwed because he couldn't unload him.

haha, touche

sorry - I get dark and pessimistic during the winter

[LoganBuck]

Coco Crisp maybe? The A's could be looking to shed payroll with their recent Jim Johnson/Scott Kazmir signings.

Yep, that is my guess too. Crisp has been linked to the Reds at times since Walt has been GM. Oakland working deal to send Anderson to Rangers for Gentry. Makes sense to move Crisp to free up payroll.

[LoganBuck]

Oakland just traded Michael Choice for Gentry within the last minute. This is getting wild.

[RedTeamGo!]

I would love Coco Crisp

Do it Unkie Walt!

[HotCorner]

Michael Choice could be really interesting if the A's are involved.

Reportedly dealt to Texas today ...

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 1m
Sources: Oakland acquires Craig Gentry, Texas gets Michael Choice. More pieces involved.

[Tom Servo]

ESPN's Buster Olney reports that Ryan Hanigan will get a multi-year deal from the Rays after coming over from the Reds.

[Larkin88]

Reportedly dealt to Texas today ...

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 1m
Sources: Oakland acquires Craig Gentry, Texas gets Michael Choice. More pieces involved.

Interesting. Wonder who is expendable now. Reddick? Crisp?

[cumberlandreds]

Hoping for a Hanigan for David Price but realize it's probably Hanigan for someone I never heard of before and have to rely on RZ to tell me who he is. :)

[HotCorner]

Hmm BP just sent out a cryptic tweet ...

Brandon Phillips ‏@DatDudeBP 57s
#RealTalk: Really HATE waiting on calls!!! #MESSAGE

Could mean nothing but the timing is interesting.

[kbrake]

And now BP tweets about how much he HATES waiting on calls. And Twitter goes insane.

[cumberlandreds]

DatDude likes attention too.

[MilotheMayor]

Are the A's truly comfortable with Sogard at second? This is getting to be too much.

[M2]

Reportedly dealt to Texas today ...

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 1m
Sources: Oakland acquires Craig Gentry, Texas gets Michael Choice. More pieces involved.

Schnikes. Though maybe this is part of a play for Crisp.

[edabbs44]

Wait, just yesterday he was screwed because he couldn't unload him.

And last year the Reds were fools for playing the guy over Mesoraco as he was obviously playing with a fork in his back. When a few years before they were even bigger fools for playing Ramon Hernandez over Ryan.

It's all very confusing.

[Gallen5862]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24322752/reds-trade-ryan-hanigan-to-rays


Marc Topkin ✔ @TBTimes_Rays
Follow
Hearing Hanigan will be #Rays primary catcher, so maybe Lobaton is being dealt. And Hanigan, who was arb eligible, could sign multiyear deal

[jhu1321]

And now BP tweets about how much he HATES waiting on calls. And Twitter goes insane.

Just what DatDude wants...... more attention.

[LoganBuck]

Ken Rosenthal just tweeted that he is hearing the As are not the third team, the Rays Reds deal

[mdccclxix]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m

Source: #Athletics are NOT the third team in the Hanigan trade with #Rays and #Reds.

[chicoruiz]

Rosenthal now tweeting that the A's are NOT the other team involved...

[RedTeamGo!]

What in the hell is going on?!?!

[bucksfan2]

I don't expect much from Hanigan but if Tampa is going to sign him to a multi year deal, maybe the return will be a little sweeter. In watching him over the past few seasons he can't catch a full season, and his power was absolutely zapped last year. He looked broken down, and I just don't see him finding his 2010-2012 form.

[edabbs44]

What in the hell is going on?!?!

I believe the A's are not the third team, but I may have heard that wrong.

[RiverRat13]

ANARCHY!!!!!

[RedTeamGo!]

Possible third team and player - Tigers get David Price - just my guess

Would make the Fister trade make more sense

[M2]

What in the hell is going on?!?!

Madness. We are all now the playthings inside of Ken Rosenthal's snow globe.

[PuffyPig]

I don't expect much from Hanigan but if Tampa is going to sign him to a multi year deal, maybe the return will be a little sweeter. In watching him over the past few seasons he can't catch a full season, and his power was absolutely zapped last year. He looked broken down, and I just don't see him finding his 2010-2012 form.

If the Rays are going to make him their #1 catcher and sign him for 2 or more years, I gotta think the return is something.

[*BaseClogger*]

I predict Hanigan gets eaten up by AL East pitchers. Not a big stretch in that prediction.

Is the pitching in the AL East (outside of Tampa) really that scary?

[Matt700wlw]

It looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

[cumberlandreds]

What in the hell is going on?!?!


Its called rumors. You might as well rename Twitter, Rumors amok.

[Rojo]

Do we know there's a third team?

[Red Swagger]

I would love if Walt could acquire Michael Choice, but looks like its not happening. I hope we get something for Hanigan.The Reds need to EXTEND Bailey, for sure.

[UKFlounder]

Yep - look behind the grassy knoll.... :)


Do we know there's a third team?

[Edskin]

Apparently Hanigan has been traded for a Player NOT to be named later....

[RedTeamGo!]

Watch this isn't a trade and all and the media just likes messing with Reds fans.

[Matt700wlw]

I would love if Walt could acquire Michael Choice, but looks like its not happening. I hope we get something for Hanigan.The Reds need to EXTEND Bailey, for sure.

A's traded him to the Rangers, but they aren't in on the Hanigan trade now.

[edabbs44]

Fay...interesting?


John Fay ‏@johnfayman 23m
St. Pete Times reports Haingan will be starter from the Rays. Hearing A's are other team involved. #reds


John Fay ‏@johnfayman 6m
RT @playerjoe141: @johnfayman athletics aren't other team they already said they weren't//Saw that. They were working on different trade.

[mdccclxix]

In other AL East news, no one gives a squat to report on what the Reds will be getting for their starting catcher.

[lollipopcurve]

If the Rays are going to make him their #1 catcher and sign him for 2 or more years, I gotta think the return is something.

Definitely ratchets up his value. Means they've been working on this one for a while.

[mdccclxix]

Walt on defcon 1, not letting anymore info out until HE IS DARN WELL READY TO, OKAY!!!

[RedTeamGo!]

Beltran Has Three-Year, $48MM Offer
By Steve Adams [December 3 at 12:56pm CST]


Is this about to be a crazy day?

[HeatherC1212]

I really wish Rosenthal and Olney had kept their traps shut until they had more details about this deal because IMO all they did was look stupid for reporting a random deal that they know nothing about right now. This is when social media is a double edged sword. It's great as a Reds fan to know that a deal is coming soon but in their rush to be the 'first person' to report it, there's not really anything to actually report to us right now. *shakes head and sighs* :confused: :eek:

[mdccclxix]

Tampa sets new standard in efficiency for small market teams, gets Reds starting catcher for totally free.

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Beltran Has Three-Year, $48MM Offer
By Steve Adams [December 3 at 12:56pm CST]


Is this about to be a crazy day?

Couple tweets out there about Beltran and KC. Buster Olney just RT'd this:

Ken Davidoff ‏@KenDavidoff
From George King and @WheresKernan: Carlos Beltran is meeting with #Royals officials today in Kansas City.

[mikemo14]

How about Sean Rodriquez to take Izturis role as utility IF back for Hanigan?

[M2]

Couple tweets out there about Beltran and KC. Buster Olney just RT'd this:

Ken Davidoff ‏@KenDavidoff
From George King and @WheresKernan: Carlos Beltran is meeting with #Royals officials today in Kansas City.

Beltran is effectively a LF these days. Alex Gordon technically plays LF in Kansas City at the moment ... just saying.

BTW, every time you post I want to hit the like button for the Danger Mouse thumbnail.

[UKFlounder]

But an occasional "go-crazy" thread/discussion like this is kind of fun in the offseason, at least IMO.


I really wish Rosenthal and Olney had kept their traps shut until they had more details about this deal because IMO all they did was look stupid for reporting a random deal that they know nothing about right now. This is when social media is a double edged sword. It's great as a Reds fan to know that a deal is coming soon but in their rush to be the 'first person' to report it, there's not really anything to actually report to us right now. *shakes head and sighs* :confused: :eek:

[cincyinco]

How about Sean Rodriquez to take Izturis role as utility IF back for Hanigan?

I like Sean okay, but if rays are signing Hanigan to a LTC I'm hopeful we can do slightly better than a utility player.

[WVRedsFan]

I really wish Rosenthal and Olney had kept their traps shut until they had more details about this deal because IMO all they did was look stupid for reporting a random deal that they know nothing about right now. This is when social media is a double edged sword. It's great as a Reds fan to know that a deal is coming soon but in their rush to be the 'first person' to report it, there's not really anything to actually report to us right now. *shakes head and sighs* :confused: :eek:True. The last sports rumor I saw on Twitter had West Virginia University football coach Dana Holgorsen giving up and leaving his job. I ran into Coach Bob Huggins and asked him if it was true. "Hell, no. He's planning on building a new team meeting room," said Huggs. Many times these things are accurate, but often not, if that makes any sense.

[RedTeamGo!]

Brandon Phillips to mystery team, Hanigan to Rays, And apparently God and Walt only know who the Reds get?

[LoganBuck]

Fay: Reds deal is a 3 way with Rays and DBacks

[marcshoe]

Beltran Has Three-Year, $48MM Offer
By Steve Adams [December 3 at 12:56pm CST]


Is this about to be a crazy day?

Man, this Steve Adams must have a lot of money! What does he plan to do with Beltran after he signs him?

[westofyou]

Fay: Reds deal is a 3 way with Rays and DBacks

Make mine a 4way

http://www.bushbeans.com/en_US/images/products/product_images/3940001734_big.png

[757690]

Fay: Reds deal is a 3 way with Rays and DBacks

Didi Gregorious? JK

[Matt700wlw]

D'backs

[Edd Roush]

Fay: Reds deal is a 3 way with Rays and DBacks

I would really like to land Parra.

[M2]

Fay: Reds deal is a 3 way with Rays and DBacks

Let's see if he's forced to correct himself again.

[Rock of Truth]

Fay: Reds deal is a 3 way with Rays and DBacks

Welcome Back DiDi?

[M2]

I would really like to land Parra.

I think that's a widespread itch that folks on this board would like to scratch.

[Doc. Scott]

Looks like the Reds are out for some more scrappiness (assuming the D-Backs are willing to part with some of their scrap-stash)

[marcshoe]

Fay: Reds deal is a 3 way with Rays and DBacks

Toss in Phillips and get Parra and I'm happy.

[RedTeamGo!]

Please be Parra, Please be Parra

[WrongVerb]

I would really like to land Parra.

I would love to see Parra land in the Reds' lap.

[redsmetz]

Brandon Phillips to mystery team, Hanigan to Rays, And apparently God and Walt only know who the Reds get?

I'm not sure Walt will let God in on the details either. Free will and all that.

[AmarilloRed]

Fay: Reds deal is a 3 way with Rays and DBacks

Fay also said the players will be announced shortly. BTW, it'd be good news if we got Didi back.

[redsmetz]

I would really like to land Parra.

You do know there's added cost with that? Those extra jersey letters aren't cheap, I hope you know - not to mention the period after the first initial.

[mdccclxix]

.277 /.330 /.401 /.731

Why does this make Parra the bee's knees?

[757690]

.277 /.330 /.401 /.731

Why does this make Parra the bee's knees?

Great glove.

[RedTeamGo!]

.277 /.330 /.401 /.731

Why does this make Parra the bee's knees?

The fact he is solid on offense and a top 5 defensive outfielder in baseball?

[Doc. Scott]

.277 /.330 /.401 /.731

Why does this make Parra the bee's knees?


he scrappy

[Edd Roush]

.277 /.330 /.401 /.731

Why does this make Parra the bee's knees?

He's one of the best defenders in the game.

[Larkin88]

.277 /.330 /.401 /.731

Why does this make Parra the bee's knees?

Also 2X Gold Glove winner.

[mdccclxix]

Thanks people!

[M2]

Toss in Phillips and get Parra and I'm happy.

1) Brandon Phillips is not a throw-in, let alone a throw-in on a Gerardo Parra deal. 2) Both the Rays and D-Backs have established 2Bs.

[RadfordVA]

I really wish Rosenthal and Olney had kept their traps shut until they had more details about this deal because IMO all they did was look stupid for reporting a random deal that they know nothing about right now. This is when social media is a double edged sword. It's great as a Reds fan to know that a deal is coming soon but in their rush to be the 'first person' to report it, there's not really anything to actually report to us right now. *shakes head and sighs* :confused: :eek:

With all respect could not disagree more. This is what Twitter is for. If you only want the news when the deal is done then just follow those reporters on their articles and official news postings on espn and fox tv. They are letting us know information as they get it. They knew the Rays were getting Hanigan and they let us know. And are piecing it together and letting us know along the way. If you want official news just follow the Reds account. They will let you know when it is done. It is up to the consumer how they want it delivered to them.

[RedTeamGo!]

1) Brandon Phillips is not a throw-in, let alone a throw-in on a Gerardo Parra deal. 2) Both the Rays and D-Backs have established 2Bs.

I was told by Harold Reynolds that Ben Zobrist is not a 2nd basemen ;)

[marcshoe]

1) Brandon Phillips is not a throw-in, let alone a throw-in on a Gerardo Parra deal. 2) Both the Rays and D-Backs have established 2Bs.

The "throw in" was intended as a joke, mostly because I know that Hanigan's not enough to get Parra. Not even close.

[WVRedsFan]

RedsZone just crashed.

[RollyInRaleigh]

RedsZone loading slowly now. You know somethings up. ;)

[Red Swagger]

Parra, Didi Gregorious and Chris Owings would be AWESOME.

[Dom Heffner]

While we're waiting- anyone hear that Gilligan passed away?

[marcshoe]

If this ends up being Hanigan for a minor leaguer (not unlikely) people are going to be so disappointed.

[RadfordVA]

3 years 11 million for Hanigan says Olney

[WVRedsFan]

While we're waiting- anyone hear that Gilligan passed away?

My neighbor? Denver passed away some time ago. Or are we on the same page?

[LoganBuck]

Hanigan gets 3 years $11M

[redsmetz]

NM - others beat me to the punch.

[Matt700wlw]

Hanigan gets 3 years, $11M from the Rays

[marcshoe]

While we're waiting- anyone hear that Gilligan passed away?

I saw it on Facebook yesterday. Morgan Freeman too. Several times.

[Dom Heffner]

My neighbor? Denver passed away some time ago. Or are we on the same page?

This is perfect.

[reds44]

Not heath bell

EDIT: OH MY GOD NOT HEATH BELL

[marcshoe]

My neighbor? Denver passed away some time ago. Or are we on the same page?

See the Entertainment board.

[mdccclxix]

Reports now that the players in the Ryan Hanigan Deal (TM) will be introduced June 7th as a bobblehead promotion.

[Kc61]

If this ends up being Hanigan for a minor leaguer (not unlikely) people are going to be so disappointed.

A good prospect would be welcome. The Reds need them. Presumably the major MLB return will come in a Phillips and/or Bailey trade. The Reds might also sign other free agents (likely medium level). Or conceivably Choo returns.

But in a Hanigan deal, if it's a good prospect, it would be a needed addition since the Reds' farm is still a bit depleted.

[OesterPoster]

No, no, no to Bell

[LoganBuck]

@nickpiecoro: I'm not sure about particulars but apparently Heath Bell might be involved in three-team trade with Rays, Reds

Oh Snap

[Todd Gack]

Heath Bell? I'm ok with that as long as Bryan Price is still with the Reds. :)

[Matt700wlw]

Heath Bell may be involved (D'backs beat writer)

[CySeymour]

Not heath bell

EDIT: OH MY GOD NOT HEATH BELL

I agree...that would be terrible.

[RedTeamGo!]

Wait, you aren't serious right?

[Billy Hamilton's Legs]

Not heath bell

EDIT: OH MY GOD NOT HEATH BELL

Walt is not that dumb. We have no room for another overpaid reliever on a team with other significant holes.

[Mario-Rijo]

My guess is David Price somehow gets to Zona here and we end up with Eaton or Pollack and Skaggs gets to Tampa. Just framework here..

[RadfordVA]

Hanigan got more guaranteed money than 5 of the 7 catching free agents who have signed already. Rays really value framing.

[PuffyPig]

3 years , $11M is a lot of money for someone who many felt was worthless.

[Cedric]

That can't be real... Walt can't be trying to round up the world's largest collection of ex scrub closers that are severely overweight.

[RedTeamGo!]

Walt is not that dumb. We have no room for another overpaid reliever on a team with other significant holes.

If he gets Heath Bell and the Reds don't get a decent prospect in return...my god...i just can't...

[Doc. Scott]

Bell makes more sense in Tampa, especially if Arizona is kicking in cash. He's only $5 million for 2014 and has a team option for 15


2013 35 Arizona Diamondbacks $9,000,000 $4M paid by Miami Marlins
2014 36 Arizona Diamondbacks $9,000,000 $4M paid by Miami Marlins
2015 37 Arizona Diamondbacks *$9,000,000 $9M Team Option 2015 may become guaranteed at $9M based on performance

[Team Clark]

Heath Bell has a simple mechanical flaw. I've watched it progress 2 years in a row. I'm astounded that it hasn't been picked up. If he were to fix it, I think he could be very effective.

[Edd Roush]

I agree...that would be terrible.

Without us knowing the money component of this deal, I do not understand the hate for Heath Bell.

Heath struck out 9.87 guys per 9 innings in 65.2 IP last year which is slightly better than his career mark of 9.20. He also did a good job of limiting walks last year, only walking 2.19 per 9 innings. His ERA and FIP look bad because of a high HR rate (1.64/9 innings), but in the past he had only given up 0.69 HR/9. Granted his career HR rate is probably better than it would have been in Cincy since he played in San Diego, but he has not been HR prone for his career.

I wouldn't love Heath Bell if we had to pay his whole salary and got nothing else back, but Steamer has him for a 3.39 ERA, 3.13 FIP and 3.27 xFIP next year. I will take that at the back end of the pen.

[*BaseClogger*]

It doesn't have to be Parra for me to be happy--Adam Eaton is a good looking young player with southwestern Ohio ties. Like Parra, he too can play all three OF positions and get on base...

[Doc. Scott]

Is it just me or are the Rays wayyyyyyy overdoing a three-year, $10.75MM guaranteed deal for a 33-year-old catcher coming off his worst year?

[Strikes Out Looking]

Bell is owed $9 million in 2014 with the Marlins paying $4 million of that. There is a 9 million team option for 2015 that may become guaranteed based on his 2014 performance.

[AmarilloRed]

There's also a club option for the fourth year in the deal for Hanigan.

[jhu1321]

It doesn't have to be Parra for me to be happy--Adam Eaton is a good looking young player with southwestern Ohio ties. Like Parra, he too can play all three OF positions and get on base...

If it's Parra or Eaton no way Hannigan is the only piece.

[Cedric]

Is it just me or are the Rays wayyyyyyy overdoing a three-year, $10.75MM guaranteed deal for a 33-year-old catcher coming off his worst year?

Look at the options for available catchers and what they are bringing in. Hanigan is valued pretty highly across baseball and the DRays are one of the best organizations in North American sports.

I think Hanigan is under valued here for what all that he brings to the table.

[marcshoe]

An aging catcher whose offense dropped off the edge of the Earth while his defense remained strong for an aging reliever who's general performance did the same while his K rate remained strong seems about right.

[The DARK]

Per DBacks writer: Lefty David Holmberg is also involved in this deal

[RedTeamGo!]

Heath Bell has a simple mechanical flaw. I've watched it progress 2 years in a row. I'm astounded that it hasn't been picked up. If he were to fix it, I think he could be very effective.

I agree, he needs to get the fork out of his hand while he pitches.

[CySeymour]

Without us knowing the money component of this deal, I do not understand the hate for Heath Bell.

Heath struck out 9.87 guys per 9 innings in 65.2 IP last year which is slightly better than his career mark of 9.20. He also did a good job of limiting walks last year, only walking 2.19 per 9 innings. His ERA and FIP look bad because of a high HR rate (1.64/9 innings), but in the past he had only given up 0.69 HR/9. Granted his career HR rate is probably better than it would have been in Cincy since he played in San Diego, but he has not been HR prone for his career.

I wouldn't love Heath Bell if we had to pay his whole salary and got nothing else back, but Steamer has him for a 3.39 ERA, 3.13 FIP and 3.27 xFIP next year. I will take that at the back end of the pen.

You are right, we have to see the other players invovled. However, the problem with Bell is isn't something the Reds have a big need for right now.

[ChaseReds]

PER Ken Rosenthal (twitter) the Reds are getting LHP David Holmberg from #DBacks in three-team Hanigan trade.

[wheels]

If it's Bell, that could have implications for Chapman and Bailey.

If Bell is part of a grander scheme to add more talent or shed salary to get Choo signed, I'd be okay with it.....But Broxton and Bell in the same bullpen? Plus Marshall and his injury concerns? Yow.

[Doc. Scott]

Bell makes more sense in Tampa, especially if Arizona is kicking in cash. He's only $5 million for 2014 and has a team option for 15


2013 35 Arizona Diamondbacks $9,000,000 $4M paid by Miami Marlins
2014 36 Arizona Diamondbacks $9,000,000 $4M paid by Miami Marlins
2015 37 Arizona Diamondbacks *$9,000,000 $9M Team Option 2015 may become guaranteed at $9M based on performance


And especially Tampa with this:

1:41pm: Piecoro adds that in order to shed the remainder of Bell's contract, the Diamondbacks are giving up something of value instead of taking on another bad contract

[reds44]

Reds get LHP David Holmberg

[_Sir_Charles_]

With the rumor of Heath Bell being involved...I'm cringing. I want NO PART of Heath Bell.

[90reds]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m
Sources: #Reds getting LHP David Holmberg from #DBacks in three-team Hanigan trade.

[RadfordVA]

Report on Holmberg from MLB.com 5th ranked in dbacks system. Better than I thought they would get.


Scouting Grades* (present/future): FB: 5/6 | Curve: 4/5 | Slider: 4/6 | Changeup: 5/6 | Control: 4/5 | Overall: 4/6

Tyler Skaggs rightfully gets the buzz in the organization as the top lefty prospect, but Holmberg isn't that far behind him. When the D-backs got him in the Edwin Jackson trade with the White Sox at the 2010 Trade Deadline, he was pitching in the Rookie-level Pioneer League. He reached Double-A in 2012, winning Game 2 in the Southern League championship series, which Mobile won. Holmberg has the chance to have four average or better pitches with good command of all of them. He works quickly and goes right after hitters, working both sides of the strike zone with his solid average sinking fastball. His fading changeup is an above-average offspeed pitch and he throws both a tight biting curve and short, cutting slider. With good mechanics and size, he should be ready for the middle of the rotation soon.

[Doc. Scott]

Reds get LHP David Holmberg

The 22-year-old lefty who has pitched well at Double-A and made his major league debut in 2013? Sturdy innings-eater type. #6 prospect in Arizona system.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=holmbe001dav

[Chip R]

With the rumor of Heath Bell being involved...I'm cringing. I want NO PART of Heath Bell.

Hopefully the limit of his involvement is tweeting about it or telling other players they have been traded.

[CySeymour]

So what are the Rays giving up?

[wolfboy]

PER Ken Rosenthal (twitter) the Reds are getting LHP David Holmberg from #DBacks in three-team Hanigan trade.

This scares me a bit:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/diamondbacks-look-to-strike-with-david-holmberg/


Holmberg traditionally displays above-average control, as well, but it’s worth noting that it’s been a little more inconsistent than in past seasons. In July, the Florida native walked 14 batters in 27.2 innings. He’s also a fly-ball pitcher, who could be prone to the long ball in the Majors unless his command and control continue to consistently work at an above-average level.

[WrongVerb]

If that's the case with Holmberg, that's awesome!

And I'm *puts on sunglasses* relieved it isn't Bell.

[wheels]

Holmberg is a 22 year old with decent AA numbers, but nothing really jumps out about him, except that he seems to throw a lot of strikes.

Probably not a bad return for Hanigan at all.

[chicoruiz]

"That'll do, pig...That'll do..."

[Doc. Scott]

Holmberg was constantly pitching against Reds affiliates like Billings ('10), Bakersfield ('11-12), Pensacola ('12-'13). He always did pretty well.

[reds44]

Bell to the Rays.

Everyone exhale.

[Team Clark]

I agree, he needs to get the fork out of his hand while he pitches.

That would be a Bio-Mechanical flaw not an ergo mechanical flaw. :laugh:

[90reds]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 2m
Heath Bell going to #Rays. Trade with #Reds, #DBacks required approval from commissioner’s office, meaning more than $1M involved.

[_Sir_Charles_]

David Holmberg is being reported coming to us. That's the D'Back's #5 prospect btw.

[RedTeamGo!]

Nice! sounds like Uncle Walt got a good piece for an aging catcher. Never doubted you for a moment, Walt.

[Doc. Scott]

Bell to the Rays.

Everyone exhale.

toldja

[Dom Heffner]

Meh. I'm going back to the Gilligan thread.

[westofyou]

Homberg is a 22 year old with decent AA numbers, but nothing really jumps out about him.

LH
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The Reds have a park that enhances LH power and a poor track record of producing LH starters

[REDREAD]

A little bit of info on Holmberg, story from August..
Full story..http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/diamondbacks-look-to-strike-with-david-holmberg/




[Author says Az has a lot of good young pitching]

Left-hander David Holmberg will make his MLB debut on Tuesday night when he faces off against the San Diego Padres and former Diamondbacks hurler Ian Kennedy.
[snip]

Holmberg, who I ranked as the organization’s seventh best prospect, doesn’t come close to matching Bradley’s and Skaggs’ ceilings, but he’s polished for his age and has above-average command of a four-pitch repertoire that includes a plus changeup. He also has a fringe-average fastball and two solid breaking balls in his curveball and slider. When things are going well, he works quickly and shows an easy, repeatable delivery with a three-quarter arm slot.

Holmberg traditionally displays above-average control, as well, but it’s worth noting that it’s been a little more inconsistent than in past seasons. In July, the Florida native walked 14 batters in 27.2 innings. He’s also a fly-ball pitcher, who could be prone to the long ball in the Majors unless his command and control continue to consistently work at an above-average level.

In his prime, the young pitcher has a chance to fill a third or fourth slot in a big league starting rotation, and his big, strong frame should allow him to provide plenty of innings in that role. In the immediate future, though, I expect he’ll be more of a No. 4/5 starter who might struggle to provide innings due to high pitch counts. He’s managed to get past the fifth inning just twice in his last seven starts at the Double-A level.

As alluded to above, home runs could also be an issue in the early going, especially while pitching in his home ball park. He’ll need to pitch ahead to take full advantage of his changeup, which looks just like his heater before it disappears. Holmberg, 22, doesn’t have the pure stuff to compensate for mistakes and he needs to command both corners of the plate. If he doesn’t, it could get ugly.

[mdccclxix]

A workhorse lefty with a quality curveball, Holmberg was the 71st pick overall in the 2008 draft. He's not an overpowering pitcher, but he's pretty well-developed, setting up his almost MLB-ready hammer with a 90mph fastball that features tricksy late movement: it cuts in on righthanded hitters in an especially nasty way. He's a year or so away from everyday usefulness at an MLB level, but he should move quickly. He'll break more than his share of bats along the way.

http://www.scoutingbook.com/players/p2646

[wheels]

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The Reds have a park that enhances LH power and a poor track record of producing LH starters

Oh, I agree. He also throws strikes.

Can't think they would get much more for Hanigan.

[RedTeamGo!]

Who did the Rays give up?

[Kc61]

PER Ken Rosenthal (twitter) the Reds are getting LHP David Holmberg from #DBacks in three-team Hanigan trade.

At Mobile AA last year Holmberg was 5-8, 2.75, 26 starts, 157 innings, 138 hits, 12 homers, 50 walks, 116 Ks. MLB.com lists him fifth among DBack prospects. Says he could be mid-rotation starting pitcher.

[90reds]

Jack Magruder ‏@JackMagruder 4m
#Dbacks Heath Bell "I'm heading off to tampa."

[Doc. Scott]

Holmberg= Denny Neagle or Eric Milton upside.

That is not sarcasm.

[westofyou]

Jack Magruder ‏@JackMagruder 4m
#Dbacks Heath Bell "I'm heading off to tampa."

To drip sweat like you've never seen since I was in Miami

[_Sir_Charles_]

WHEW! Bell going to Rays.

[RadfordVA]

In the last day the A's have traded for a 10 million closer and Rays acquired Heath Bell. Can not imagine if Reds or a team like Phillies did that. They would be called dinosaur gms and laughed at.

[Tom Servo]

Well, that was a scary few minutes of Heath Bell hell.

[JKam]

Wonder if Price has some inside knowledge of Holmburg, or has Price been away from Arizona too long to know the kid? Even if Price didn't have first hand knowledge of the prospect, I'm sure the new pitching coach does.

I'm ok with getting a decent pitching prospect as long as Price is around. In Price we trust.

[The DARK]

Seems like a good pickup to me. With Arroyo out of the picture and much of the rotation about to hit free agency as well, it will be very useful to have an innings eater that doesn't break the bank.

[LoganBuck]

I said a month ago, that the Reds needed a shuttle worthy pitcher for the 40 man. Because they didn't have the necessary depth. This move seems to address that. Holmberg looks like a guy that can be parked at Louisville and called on as needed. Acceptable.

[Doc. Scott]

In the last day the A's have traded for a 10 million closer and Rays acquired Heath Bell. Can not imagine if Reds or a team like Phillies did that. They would be called dinosaur gms and laughed at.

Yeah, the A's gave up a young cheap position player to get a widely-considered-overpaid-and-overrated closer, too. While I haven't seen lots of bile from the Internet about it, it hasn't exactly been praised either.

[westofyou]

In the last day the A's have traded for a 10 million closer and Rays acquired Heath Bell. Can not imagine if Reds or a team like Phillies did that. They would be called dinosaur gms and laughed at.

And Beane won executive of the year today too

[marcshoe]

Who did the Rays give up?

Apparently nobody. They're hoping the other teams involved don't notice this until it's too late.

[REDREAD]

Oh, I agree. He also throws strikes.

Can't think they would get much more for Hanigan.

I'm thrilled with the return on this trade. Much better than I thought.
Holmberg can be another "emergency starter" next year and in a year or two, might be a presentable BOR arm.
He might wash out, but this seems like a good risk to take.

[Doc. Scott]

(adds Bell to the list of future $1 fantasy league scrap-heap pickups)

[Billy Hamilton's Legs]

Pretty neutral if that's the deal. Decent piece, but would think he would be a better complement piece for BP or Homer in a bigger deal. Maybe I'm overvaluing Hanigan

[wheels]

I'm thrilled with the return on this trade. Much better than I thought.
Holmberg can be another "emergency starter" next year and in a year or two, might be a presentable BOR arm.
He might wash out, but this seems like a good risk to take.

Agreed.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Wait, the Reds are getting a LH starting pitcher? I didn't think they were allowed to do that.

[RadfordVA]

Love that he has pitched over 150 innings the last 3 seasons. Seems built for innings so just need to hope they are quality innings.

[Edd Roush]

Fangraphs recently did a top 10 prospects for Arizona and Holmberg came in 7th.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2014-top-10-prospects-arizona-diamondbacks/

The writer called him a poor man's Mark Buehrle.

[marcshoe]

Justin Choate and a ptbnl to Arizona.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 6m
#DBacks get RHP Justin Choate, player to be named, per source. Bell, Hanigan, $$$ to #Rays, Holmberg to #Reds, Choate and PTBN to #DBacks.

[Norm Chortleton]

Who did the Rays give up?

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m
#DBacks get RHP Justin Choate, player to be named, per source. Bell, Hanigan, $$$ to #Rays, Holmberg to #Reds, Choate and PTBN to #DBacks.

[Tom Servo]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/003/020/593/hi-res-162658965_display_image.jpg?1362471412
http://www.milb.com/assets/images/3/1/2/58618312/cuts/Holmberg_plain_media_6agpk617_s04s8pky.jpg


The hefty lefty.

[cumberlandreds]

^ another big pitcher to go along with the others on the Reds staff.

[Doc. Scott]

Listed at 6'3"/225#. I'm thinking that's a couple of dimes low.

[RedsfaninMT]

Whew. Glad to notice he is 6 3". Feared they had added some short guy to the staff, which is clearly not acceptable.

[Norm Chortleton]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/003/020/593/hi-res-162658965_display_image.jpg?1362471412
http://www.milb.com/assets/images/3/1/2/58618312/cuts/Holmberg_plain_media_6agpk617_s04s8pky.jpg


The hefty lefty.

I thought he was 22, not 32 or 42?

[757690]

Sounds like Travis Wood 2.0

[JKam]

Sounds like Travis Wood 2.0

Would gladly take Travis Wood. That would be a good haul for Hannigan.

[Tom Servo]

I thought he was 22, not 32 or 42?
A more flattering picture from his major league debut.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/David+Holmberg+San+Diego+Padres+v+Arizona+siaQJjXM Zmux.jpg

[Kc61]

Kind of an odd trade.

Dbacks get Justin Choate and give up Holmberg and Bell.

Have to think the DBacks wanted to avoid paying Bell for next season and that's a big part of it.

Presumably the Reds preferred Holmberg to Choate. Otherwise could have done deal directly with Rays.

[Benihana]

Well done Walt :clap:

Shouldn't have doubted you on this one.

[RadfordVA]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/003/020/593/hi-res-162658965_display_image.jpg?1362471412
http://www.milb.com/assets/images/3/1/2/58618312/cuts/Holmberg_plain_media_6agpk617_s04s8pky.jpg


The hefty lefty.

I bet plenty of old scouts said he does not have the "good face." Good thing we are not trying to sell jeans.

[RollyInRaleigh]

I agree, he needs to get the fork out of his hand while he pitches.

Looks like he may have given his fork to Holmberg.

[Doc. Scott]

Kind of an odd trade.

Dbacks get Justin Choate and give up Holmberg and Bell.

Have to think the DBacks wanted to avoid paying Bell for next season and that's a big part of it.

Presumably the Reds preferred Holmberg to Choate. Otherwise could have done deal directly with Rays.


Choate is a throw-in. Pitched in short-season ball at 22 last year.

[Chip R]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/003/020/593/hi-res-162658965_display_image.jpg?1362471412
http://www.milb.com/assets/images/3/1/2/58618312/cuts/Holmberg_plain_media_6agpk617_s04s8pky.jpg


The hefty lefty.

He's got a little ways to go to catch up to Senor Sweat or El Guapo.

[klw]

MLB ‏@MLB now

.@SteveGilbertMLB confirms: RHP Heath Bell & cash to #Rays. LHP David Holmberg to @Reds. RHP Justin Choate & PTBN or cash to @Dbacks.

[Matt700wlw]

A top 10 prospect for Ryan Hanigan.


What's not to like?

[RedsManRick]

The Reds didn't exactly have depth in terms of starters who could step in to the rotation in the event of an injury. Glad to see they turned 1 year of Hanigan in to a legitimate asset.

[bucksfan2]

I'm thrilled with the return on this trade. Much better than I thought.
Holmberg can be another "emergency starter" next year and in a year or two, might be a presentable BOR arm.
He might wash out, but this seems like a good risk to take.

I am actually underwhelmed a little with this trade. When you consider the Rays had long coveted Hanigan and signed him to a 3 year extension it appeared as if they REALLY wanted him. Getting a potential BOR arm really doesn't excite me.

[malcontent]

If he pans out to anything noteworthy, I'll always remember him as "Modest Ceiling" Holmberg.

[Doc. Scott]

A top 10 prospect for Ryan Hanigan.

What's not to like?


We're all undervaluing Hanigan a bit because he's coming off his worst year, but I also think the Rays are overvaluing him quite a lot with that three years guaranteed.

[M2]

Fangraphs recently did a top 10 prospects for Arizona and Holmberg came in 7th.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2014-top-10-prospects-arizona-diamondbacks/

The writer called him a poor man's Mark Buehrle.

It's a fairly good comparison. I've always really liked Holmberg. He's got a big frame and a career 3.19 K/BB in the minors. He's also done very well pitching against consistently older competition. He's a good bet to have a major league career.

[Gallen5862]

http://arizonasports.com/42/1682214/Report-Arizona-Diamondbacks-trade-Heath-Bell-and-David-Holmberg-as-part-of-threeteam-deal

Report: Arizona Diamondbacks trade Heath Bell and David Holmberg as part of three-team deal
1

The Arizona Diamondbacks have reportedly made a trade with the Cincinnati Reds and Tampa Bay Rays, parting with pitchers Heath Bell and David Holmberg while receiving minor league pitcher Justin Choate and a player to be named later.
Along with the players Arizona is receiving, the D-backs will also get financial relief from the rest of Bell's contract

[Red Swagger]

The DBacks # 5 prospect for Ryan Hanigan, yes please. Good job Walt. We needed SP depth and we got it. I think a few more deals are coming.

[mbgrayson]

LHP David Holmberg, age 22, is a starter. In 2013, in AA, he pitched 157 innings, had a 2.75 ERA, a 6.6 K/9, and a 1.195 WHIP.

[_Sir_Charles_]

MLB.com has Holmberg as the 10th best lefty prospect in the minors overall...not just with the d-backs. Color me impressed.

[Doc. Scott]

It's a fairly good comparison. I've always really liked Holmberg. He's got a big frame and a career 3.19 K/BB in the minors. He's also done very well pitching against consistently older competition. He's a good bet to have a major league career.

True. Seems like he's been around forever, but he's a 2009 HS draftee who will be 22 on Opening Day. Made steady progress through the minors.

[lollipopcurve]

A 22 year old lefty who's been durable and profiles as a BOR starter, for Hanigan? Heck yes. As others have noted, the Reds have seen plenty of Holmberg pitching against their affiliates -- so hopefully they've scouted well.

Curious trade from the DBacks point of view.

[RadfordVA]

I am actually underwhelmed a little with this trade. When you consider the Rays had long coveted Hanigan and signed him to a 3 year extension it appeared as if they REALLY wanted him. Getting a potential BOR arm really doesn't excite me.

That is fair but you also have to look at what six years of BOR arm is going for on open market. Much more than Hanigans 3/11 deal. Granted he might not actually make that level but that is what the teams are gambling on for all sides.

[Kc61]

Look, the Reds had to move Hanigan. The team's catcher hitting was abysmal last year. Mesoraco needs to play more. It made great sense to get a more offensively inclined back up for Mes and trade Ryan.

The Reds save a bit of money replacing Hanigan with Pena.

This prospect looks to be in the "solid" range, was a second pick, pretty highly rated in DBacks system. Not TOR stuff, but did anyone expect that for Hanigan coming off a bad year?

This is a decent trade but it's just a warm up for whatever major move the Reds will make. It gives them another decent prospect in the upper minors, which the team pretty clearly needs.

TB is gambling a bit that Ryan will hit better when healthier. Eveyone values his defense. In a DH league, if Ryan doesn't hit, it's less of an issue.

So the deal is fine, as far as it goes.

[mace]

The action photo on post 226 channels Mickey Lolich. Kinda.

[_Sir_Charles_]

A 22 year old lefty who's been durable and profiles as a BOR starter, for Hanigan? Heck yes. As others have noted, the Reds have seen plenty of Holmberg pitching against their affiliates -- so hopefully they've scouted well.

Curious trade from the DBacks point of view.

Either it was all about dumping Bell's contract for the DBacks...or the PTBNL is pretty decent.

[mdccclxix]

So Walt finds the right fish again, a team that this time needs salary relief in the Dbacks.

[WrongVerb]

Stephenson
Holmberg
Corcino
Rogers

That's a nice aaa rotation right there.

[wolfboy]

I'm pretty happy. Holmberg's fly ball tendencies concern me a bit, but I didn't expect an all world prospect in exchange for Hanigan. Besides, we need the starting depth in the high-minors.

[mdccclxix]

Stephenson
Holmberg
Corcino
Rogers

That's a nice aaa rotation right there.

Corcino though?

[Doc. Scott]

Holmberg profiled as a #3 starter when he was traded from the White Sox to Arizona in the Daniel Hudson/Edwin Jackson deal a couple years ago. I think the only thing that's knocked him down a peg to a #4 profile is that his BB/K ratios are starting to come back down to earth a little.

[Gallen5862]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2014-top-10-prospects-arizona-diamondbacks/

The Year in Review: Holmberg, 22, pitched more than 154 innings for the third straight season, which is an almost unheard of accomplishment for a pitching prospect in this day and age of coddling young hurlers. The lefty made 26 starts at the Double-A level before receiving one big league appearance where he got bounced around when his command get left behind in the minors.

The Scouting Report: Arizona has a number of flashy pitching prospects coming up through the ranks but Holmberg is not one of them. That’s not to say he isn’t talented but the southpaw is the type of pitching prospect that tends to fly under the radar. He doesn’t have a big-time fastball or wipeout breaking ball but he’s durable, and has above-average command/control of his four-pitch repertoire that includes a fastball with fringe-average velocity, two average breaking balls in a curveball and slider, as well as a plus changeup.

The Year Ahead: There are a lot of talented young arms in the Diamondbacks system that should pitch at either the Double-A, Triple-A or Major League level in 2014 so Holmberg will be matched up against a collection of impressive arms all vying for a big league opportunity. He still has two option years remaining so he has plenty of time to establish himself as a big-league-caliber pitcher.

The Career Outlook: Holmberg has a modest ceiling and will likely settle in as an innings-eating No. 4 starter. His history of high innings totals in the minors suggest that he could eventually be counted on for 200-230 innings a season as a poor man’s Mark Buehrle.

[M2]

Holmberg profiled as a #3 starter when he was traded from the White Sox to Arizona in the Daniel Hudson/Edwin Jackson deal a couple years ago. I think the only thing that's knocked him down a peg to a #4 profile is that his BB/K ratios are starting to come back down to earth a little.

I think he's still got a #3 profile (200+ IP, 100+ ERA+). AA is a tough circuit for a 21/22 year-old. I expect his K rate will climb again this season and his BB rate to drop.