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LewGra
12-21-2013, 01:15 PM
Choo signs a 7 year deal with the Rangers.

The pessimist in me think this is going to really hurt the reds. If we hold on to BP, it will be very hard for him to repeat the RBIs he put up with only half of the on-base machine in front of him.

ac084c
12-21-2013, 03:07 PM
Choo signs a 7 year deal with the Rangers.

The pessimist in me think this is going to really hurt the reds. If we hold on to BP, it will be very hard for him to repeat the RBIs he put up with only half of the on-base machine in front of him.

This can't possibly hurt the Reds more than Beltran leaving hurts the Cardinals, right?

Dwarftree
12-21-2013, 03:22 PM
Thank you Mr.Choo for the one year with our beloved Reds and all the best for your time in Arlington.

It was a pretty sure thing Choo would not re-sign in Cincy especially after rejecting the offer from the Yankees.. We just do not have the money.

Scotly
12-21-2013, 03:23 PM
The way I see it is this: We lost in the first round of the playoffs without him and we lost in the first round with him. Obviously he is not the answer either way.

ac084c
12-21-2013, 03:36 PM
The way I see it is this: We lost in the first round of the playoffs without him and we lost in the first round with him. Obviously he is not the answer either way.

Wouldn't have gotten to the first round of the playoffs in 2013 without him. And he did drive in 1 of the only 2 runs in the play-in game.

LewGra
12-21-2013, 04:29 PM
This can't possibly hurt the Reds more than Beltran leaving hurts the Cardinals, right?

It hurts the reds but in a different way. Beltran wasn't the OBP machine that Choo is. Reds still have one of the best pitching staffs in baseball and a healthy Cueto probably makes it THE best.

ac084c
12-21-2013, 04:37 PM
It hurts the reds but in a different way. Beltran wasn't the OBP machine that Choo is. Reds still have one of the best pitching staffs in baseball and a healthy Cueto probably makes it THE best.

I wonder if the Reds could trade Cueto for Cabrera and Scherzer.

Lewdog
12-21-2013, 06:32 PM
I wonder if the Reds could trade Cueto for Cabrera and Scherzer.

What??? Why would the Tigers give up a league MVP and Cy Young pitcher for an often hurt pitcher? The Reds couldn't afford that deal even if the Tigers did it.

A 7 year deal for Choo? He won't play it out, it was a dumb deal. Anything over 5 years was dumb.

RedlegJake
12-21-2013, 06:49 PM
What??? Why would the Tigers give up a league MVP and Cy Young pitcher for an often hurt pitcher?

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic

LewGra
12-21-2013, 08:39 PM
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic

In his defense, with the "Bailey for Profar" proposals it's hard to tell who's being serious.

RedlegJake
12-21-2013, 09:30 PM
In his defense, with the "Bailey for Profar" proposals it's hard to tell who's being serious.

That's true. That's an odd kind of deal, though - the Bailey and Winker for Profar type of deal. If I'm a Reds fan it's too much to give up and if I'm a Rangers fan I'd think it wasn't enough for Profar. 1 year of Bailey straight up is a pipe dream.

Ladeda
12-22-2013, 02:58 AM
That's true. That's an odd kind of deal, though - the Bailey and Winker for Profar type of deal. If I'm a Reds fan it's too much to give up and if I'm a Rangers fan I'd think it wasn't enough for Profar. 1 year of Bailey straight up is a pipe dream.


Profar is now a pipe dream because of the Kinsler trade. Still, laughable to give up a good young pitcher and a B/B+ prospect for Profar who didn't exactly light it up last year.

Anyway, back OT. The Rangers aren't going to like that Choo contract in 4 years. He is an .OBP monster though-- but his similarity scores through the age of 30 would kind of scare me--- especially @ ~$20mm a year for 7 years.

GL in Texas though Choo.

Bernard Gilkey (967)
Ivan Calderon (956)
Milton Bradley (955)
Troy O'Leary (954)
Aaron Rowand (954)
Shea Hillenbrand (952)
Felipe Alou (949)
Rusty Greer (938)
Michael Cuddyer (938)
Rondell White (937)

Halfway between
12-22-2013, 08:01 PM
This can't possibly hurt the Reds more than Beltran leaving hurts the Cardinals, right?

Yep. Like the loss of Pujols really knee capped 'em.

Mike Honcho
12-23-2013, 06:55 AM
Still, laughable to give up a good young pitcher and a B/B+ prospect for Profar who didn't exactly light it up last year

Seriously? SMH

ac084c
12-23-2013, 08:11 AM
I'm shocked that so many of the Reds faithful want to trade Bailey.

He's averaging more than 2-wins/year over the last 3, and that's climbing. He's only 27.

His FIP/xFIP are in the top 20 in the league over that time period as well. Higher K/9 and lower BB/9 than the fan-favorite Cueto.

He's prone to the long ball and is a .500 pitcher - surely that's not enough for the fanbase to ride him out on the rail.

Reminds me of the BFIBs love/hate relationship with Lance Lynn.

LewGra
12-23-2013, 05:28 PM
Still, laughable to give up a good young pitcher and a B/B+ prospect for Profar who didn't exactly light it up last year

Seriously? SMH

I wouldn't say "laughable", but it's definitely a pipe dream.