Pete doesn't crack top 10 for unbreakable sports records

[RBA]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1224-unbreakable-sports-records-20131224,0,5784487.story#axzz2oMCdVJgG


Barely missed the cut
Pete Rose's 4,256 career hits




The list

Cal Ripken's consecutive games played streak


UCLA's seven straight NCAA basketball titles


Wayne Gretzky's career points mark


Nolan Ryan's career strikeouts record


Jerry Rice's receiving yards record


Wilt Chamberlain's 100 points in one game


Boston's eight straight NBA titles


Isner-Mahut's marathon Wimbledon match


Richard Petty's 200 NASCAR victories


Barry Bonds' home run records


http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1224-unbreakable-sports-records-20131224,0,5784487.story#ixzz2oMGNdWJj

[reds1869]

Someone will probably break Pete's record someday due to sheer longevity in the game. It will be a very, very long time, though.

[toledodan]

Someone will probably break Pete's record someday due to sheer longevity in the game. It will be a very, very long time, though.

jeter isn't too far behind. the question is health and if he can play another 5 years. sitting at 3316 hits at the age of 39.

[SirFelixCat]

Vandermeer should be #1 IMO.

[SirFelixCat]

Well, 1938 so doesn't count for that list.

[757690]

Pretty much the entire list is coastal. Typical from LATimes.

[RED VAN HOT]

The UCLA streak stands out for me. As the article points out it included 38 straight tournament victories. It also included 88 straight regular season victories. I can't see any of those happening again.

[cincinnati chili]

Pete's record will probably be broken by a leadoff guy who hits well but doesn't walk a whole lot. Conceivably, it could have been Ichiro if an MLB organization would have signed him out of high school.

[Big Klu]

Completely disagree that Jerry Rice's receiving yardage record is unbreakable. As the pro game continues to evolve, more passing and receiving records will fall. In fact, I think that Rice's receiving yardage record will be broken before Emmitt Smith's rushing yardage record.

[westofyou]

Pete's record of hits pales in comparison to his record of PA's, he's 1890 PA's greater than second place, that's the one that will be harder to break than his hits (IMO)

1 hit every 3.72 PA, Ichiro 1 every 3.38, Jeter 3.60




PLATE APPEARANCES PA H
1 Pete Rose 15861 4256 Reds/Phillies/Expos/Reds
2 Carl Yastrzemski 13991 3419 Red Sox
3 Hank Aaron 13940 3771 Braves/Brewers
4 Rickey Henderson 13346 3055 A's/Yankees/A's/Blue Jays/A's/Padres/Angels/A's/Mets/Mariners/Padres/Red Sox/Dodgers
5 Ty Cobb 13073 4189 Tigers/A's
6 Cal Ripken 12883 3184 Orioles
7 Eddie Murray 12817 3255 Orioles/Dodgers/Mets/Indians/Orioles/Angels/Dodgers
8 Stan Musial 12712 3630 Cardinals
9 Barry Bonds 12606 2935 Pirates/Giants
10 Craig Biggio 12503 3060 Astros



He's first in reached base every 2.65 PA., Bonds every 2.25PA



REACHED BASE RB H PA RCAA
1 Pete Rose 5929 4256 15861 492 Reds/Phillies/Expos/Reds
2 Barry Bonds 5599 2935 12606 1591 Pirates/Giants
3 Ty Cobb 5532 4189 13073 1369 Tigers/A's
4 Rickey Henderson 5343 3055 13346 763 A's/Yankees/A's/Blue Jays/A's/Padres/Angels/A's/Mets/Mariners/Padres/Red Sox/Dodgers
5 Carl Yastrzemski 5304 3419 13991 547 Red Sox
6 Stan Musial 5282 3630 12712 1204 Cardinals
7 Hank Aaron 5205 3771 13940 1032 Braves/Brewers
8 Tris Speaker 4998 3514 11989 1053 Red Sox/Indians/Senators/A's
9 Babe Ruth 4977 2873 10616 1795 Red Sox/Yankees/Braves
10 Eddie Collins 4892 3312 12039 747 A's/White Sox/A's

[mth123]

Cy Young 7356 IP. That's around 335 per year for 22 years. Ain't happenin.

[Norm Chortleton]

Wilt should be on that list twice.

[Mike Honcho]

Cy Young's win total didn't make it? Dead ball or not if the record is going to be 503 wins then that is one record that won't come close to being broken.

[klw]

Cy Young's win total didn't make it? Dead ball or not if the record is going to be 503 wins then that is one record that won't come close to being broken.

Article sets out its parameters:


To diversify the field, filters were added to eliminate marks set long ago in sports that have undergone such drastic change that those records will never be approached, let alone broken.
For instance, who could touch Cy Young's 511 career wins and 749 complete games from 1890 to 1911, and Old Hoss Radbourn's 59 wins in 1894?

Those were set when teams used three- and four-man rotations and rarely went to the bullpen; today's pitchers make 36 starts or so in injury-free seasons and are backed by a small army of relief specialists.

We also limited the field to records set from 1940 on. That eliminates Georgia Tech's 222-0 victory over Cumberland University — or was that Cumberland Farms? — in 1916, the most lopsided college football game ever. Would any coach risk losing his job by running up the score on a hapless opponent like that today?

Candidates were chosen from professional sports, the Olympics and major college sports, eliminating obscure marks such as Division III Linfield College's NCAA football record of 58 consecutive winning seasons and the myriad high school records set across the nation.

[cincinnati chili]

Article sets out its parameters:

That premise makes the article all the more lame. Multiple of those records will be broken in my lifetime. Bet on it.

[bucksfan2]

With the NFL turning into a passing league I can see Rice's record being broken. I don't see Pete's record being broken because of the longevity it takes in order to do so. The other records listed aren't going to be broken because of


To diversify the field, filters were added to eliminate marks set long ago in sports that have undergone such drastic change that those records will never be approached, let alone broken.
For instance, who could touch Cy Young's 511 career wins and 749 complete games from 1890 to 1911, and Old Hoss Radbourn's 59 wins in 1894?

The parameters of all these sports have changed. I would argue that the Bruin's set their record in a different era in college basketball. Ripkin's record won't fall because a team isn't going to be foolish enough to send a player out there day after day after day after day.

[traderumor]

I didn't know Barry Bonds had any home run records? :p

[Kingspoint]

There are a lot of combo records that will never be broken, such as those involving NFL players who played multiple positions.

[Mike Honcho]

Article sets out its parameters:

749 complete games. That is even more ridiculous than his wins. The complete games alone are a minimum of 6741. Greg Maddux in his career threw 5008.1.

[westofyou]

19th century records should be tossed out, here' a bevy of them that will never be broken

Most errors

Herman Long - 1096

Most Passed Balls

Pop Snyder - 647

Batters faced

Will White 1879 2906

Complete games

White again - 79

Highest average

Hugh Duffy - .440


Lowest k/9

Season - Lon Knight 1876 0.38

Most assist records are from the 20's when K's and BB were low.

Game is very different, so different I'd focus on post WW2 as the baseline

[Dom Heffner]

I didn't know Barry Bonds had any home run records? :p

He's a pioneer. Ahem.

[AmarilloRed]

110 career shutouts by Walter Johnson
67 doubles in a season by Earl Webb
36 triples in a season by Chief Wilson

None of those will ever be broken.

[JaxRed]

jeter isn't too far behind. the question is health and if he can play another 5 years. sitting at 3316 hits at the age of 39.

Whatever chance Jeter might have had was killed by him missing 2013. He is now 241 hits behind the age pace of Rose. And Rose had to change teams twice after leaving Reds.

I don't see the Yankees leaving him in the lineup just to chase a record, and I don't see him tainting his legacy by playing a couple years with the Marlins. :)

[George Anderson]

110 career shutouts by Walter Johnson
67 doubles in a season by Earl Webb
36 triples in a season by Chief Wilson

None of those will ever be broken.

I think in regards to the last 2 especially it probally isn't a good idea to say the records will never be broken. Part of the uniqueness of baseball is field dimensions can change over time. Who knows maybe the game will have changed in say 50 or 100 years to where we have left and right field fences say 450' away and centerfield fences say 480' away. If this happens you no doubt will see double, triple and even inside the park home run records fall. It is not likely this will happen but I wouldn't go so far as say it will never happen.

[Degenerate39]

110 career shutouts by Walter Johnson
67 doubles in a season by Earl Webb
36 triples in a season by Chief Wilson

None of those will ever be broken.

Wasn't Votto on pace to break the doubles record before he hurt his knee?

[RedFanAlways1966]

Wasn't Votto on pace to break the doubles record before he hurt his knee?

I'd guess a few others were on pace to break it in the 82 years since Webb did it. Let me repeat... 82 years! There were a lot who were on pace to break Mantle's 61 HRs too, but it NEVER happened (I ignore the cheaters). :)

[dougdirt]

I'd guess a few others were on pace to break it in the 82 years since Webb did it. Let me repeat... 82 years! There were a lot who were on pace to break Mantle's 61 HRs too, but it NEVER happened (I ignore the cheaters). :)

And no one ever will, since Mantle never hit 61 homers. ;)

[westofyou]

110 career shutouts by Walter Johnson
67 doubles in a season by Earl Webb
36 triples in a season by Chief Wilson

None of those will ever be broken.

All three records are a majorly affected by the environment they were created in.

Johnson pitched during the lowest runs scoring ever, shutouts are rare in today's world by comparison

Earl Webb played during the larger outfield era and that gave guys more chances for doubles, if you look at the double leaders most are from the 30's the other two from the 2nd highest offensive year on record.



DOUBLES YEAR 2B
1 Earl Webb 1931 67 Red Sox
T2 George Burns 1926 64 Indians
T2 Joe Medwick 1936 64 Cardinals
4 Hank Greenberg 1934 63 Tigers
5 Paul Waner 1932 62 Pirates
6 Charlie Gehringer 1936 60 Tigers
T7 Tris Speaker 1923 59 Indians
T7 Chuck Klein 1930 59 Phillies
T7 Todd Helton 2000 59 Rockies
T10 Billy Herman 1935 57 Cubs
T10 Billy Herman 1936 57 Cubs
T10 Carlos Delgado 2000 57 Blue Jays


Wilson's triples are just like Webb's doubles, but in an era with no OF seating and Forbes Field was a triples factory and the Pirates routinely led the league as a team in 3b's, the Reds also had a field tailor made for 3b's but Forbes was the place, just look at the leaders by season



TRIPLES YEAR 3B
1 Chief Wilson 1912 36 Pirates
2 Kiki Cuyler 1925 26 Pirates
T3 Larry Doyle 1911 25 Giants
T3 Tom Long 1915 25 Cardinals
5 Adam Comorosky 1930 23 Pirates
T6 Hi Myers 1920 22 Dodgers
T6 Jake Daubert 1922 22 Reds
T6 Sam Crawford 1902 22 Reds
T6 Honus Wagner 1900 22 Pirates
T6 Tommy Leach 1902 22 Pirates
T6 Paul Waner 1926 22 Pirates
T6 Mike Mitchell 1911 22 Reds





MODERN (1900-)

TRIPLES YEAR 3B
1 Pirates 1912 129
2 Pirates 1924 122
3 Reds 1926 120
4 Pirates 1930 119
5 Pirates 1929 116
T6 Pirates 1923 111
T6 Reds 1924 111
T8 Pirates 1922 110
T8 Pirates 1903 110
10 Pirates 1926 106



All will be hard to top

[Mike Honcho]

67 doubles doesn't seem that crazy. the right player in the right park could do it.

[Slyder]

110 career shutouts by Walter Johnson
67 doubles in a season by Earl Webb
36 triples in a season by Chief Wilson

None of those will ever be broken.

I think Hamilton could very easily make a run at least one of those two. He's got such incredible speed that he's going to be able to stretch a lot of stuff. This is assuming his bat catches up to MLB pitching which is a bit of an assumption on my part.

I also agree that Pete's records will stand longer than Jerry Rice's career yards will with how they are changing the NFL into a combination of flag football and the number of rules setup to penalize defenses.

[Yachtzee]

Nolan Ryan's strikeout record will probably be broken before his career no-hitter record. Strikeouts are something a pitcher can control, but no-hitters require help from the defense and a fair amount of luck.

[AmarilloRed]

Nolan Ryan's strikeout record will probably be broken before his career no-hitter record. Strikeouts are something a pitcher can control, but no-hitters require help from the defense and a fair amount of luck.

It's going to be very hard to break the career strikeout record as well. 5714 is almost 1000 more than the second closest pitcher, Randy Johnson. To do that a pitcher would have to average 290 strikeouts for 20 years, 230 for 25, or 190 for 30 years. Nolan also had 6 300 strikeout seasons. It can be done, but it's a big hill to climb.

[Spider Tre]

110 career shutouts by Walter Johnson
67 doubles in a season by Earl Webb
36 triples in a season by Chief Wilson

None of those will ever be broken.

i think Votto was on pace to break the doubles record before his knee injury
missed 50 games and still ended up with 44

[kpresidente]

Completely disagree that Jerry Rice's receiving yardage record is unbreakable. As the pro game continues to evolve, more passing and receiving records will fall. In fact, I think that Rice's receiving yardage record will be broken before Emmitt Smith's rushing yardage record.

I agree that Rice's record will get broken, but not before Smith's. Adrian Peterson is likely to do it, IMO. He already has 10,000 yards and is averaging 10 more yards/game than Smith did at a comparable age.

[kpresidente]

Ty Cobb will never be challenged.

[Roy Tucker]

All of those records were broken during my lifetime. I anticipate at at least 5 will get broken in the next 50 years.

[Big Klu]

I agree that Rice's record will get broken, but not before Smith's. Adrian Peterson is likely to do it, IMO. He already has 10,000 yards and is averaging 10 more yards/game than Smith did at a comparable age.

Perhaps, but I don't think that Peterson will be durable enough to maintain that pace. I see him breaking down short of the mark. Additionally, I think the NFL as a whole is making an offensive philosophical shift toward the passing game, and the running game will continue to be deemphasized. Furthermore, more teams are splitting their carries among two or more RBs--you don't see as many "horses" as you used to..

[kpresidente]

Keep in mind, this is the guy who came back from an ACL and ran for 2,000 yards. The other thing he has going for him is that he's just a better runner than Smith in general...witness the 5.0 career YPC. That means that even as he declines, he'll still be productive over a long period. And then as far as the whole split carries thing....sure, more teams are doing that in general...but not with Peterson specifically.

[Dom Heffner]

Nolan Ryan's strikeout record will probably be broken before his career no-hitter record. Strikeouts are something a pitcher can control, but no-hitters require help from the defense and a fair amount of luck.

I dont think his strikeout record falls as long as there are pitch counts.

[westofyou]

I dont think his strikeout record falls as long as there are pitch counts.

yep, it's not K/9 that wins this contest it's facing guys and piling it up



BATTERS FACED BFP SO/9 IP SO
1 Walter Johnson 23749 5.34 3509 Senators
2 Phil Niekro 22677 5.57 3342 Braves/Yankees/Indians/Blue Jays/Braves
3 Nolan Ryan 22575 9.55 5714 Mets/Angels/Astros/Rangers
4 Gaylord Perry 21953 5.94 3534 Giants/Indians/Rangers/Padres/Rangers/Yankees/Braves/Mariners/Royals
5 Steve Carlton 21683 7.13 4136 Cardinals/Phillies/Giants/White Sox/Indians/Twins
6 Don Sutton 21631 6.09 3574 Dodgers/Astros/Brewers/A's/Angels/Dodgers
7 Warren Spahn 21547 4.43 2583 Braves/Mets/Giants
8 Grover C Alexander 20928 3.81 2198 Phillies/Cubs/Cardinals/Phillies
9 Bert Blyleven 20491 6.70 3701 Twins/Rangers/Pirates/Indians/Twins/Angels
10 Greg Maddux 20421 6.06 3371 Cubs/Braves/Cubs/Dodgers/Padres/Dodgers

[medford]

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The list

Cal Ripken's consecutive games played streak
This one is kind of flukish as no one is going to go and think to themselves, they're starting a consecutive games played streak in baseball, so I consider it more of an achievement than a record, likely not to be broken b/c at some point when a guy is 25 they're going to sit him for a game or two, just to sit him, not because he's injuried or particularly worn out.


UCLA's seven straight NCAA basketball titles

this is something I doubt we see approached any time soon. Heck, just getting to 3 straight would be a feet, but it should be noted that this came at a different time. As I've heard it, the NCAA braket was set much more regionally back then than it is today, so that UCLA was playing mostly western schools until the final 4. With that as the premise, plus that a conference could only send 1 team, meaning there were no other PAC12 teams in the field, I've read that UCLA generally had a cake walk into the final 4. Still an impressive feat, but if they're going to make exceptions for changes to the way games are played, those should be footnotes in that record.


Wayne Gretzky's career points mark


Nolan Ryan's career strikeouts record


Jerry Rice's receiving yards record

That one will go down sooner or later, the game has evolved into so much more passing since Rice's start of his career, in addition the college passing game has evolved meaning guys are coming out of college more familar w/ the complicated schemes run in the pros and better able to adapt. Heck a motivated Moss could have smashed Rice's records, Moss wasn't motivated anywhere near the level that Rice was.


Wilt Chamberlain's 100 points in one game

Somebody will get to 100 again, in some meaningless game near the end of the season while a player is feeling it and the other team just doesn't care or to banged up at season's end to put a stop to it.

Boston's eight straight NBA titles

Not going to happen, too much money, too hard to keep teams together for the long haul the way that Celtics team did.


Isner-Mahut's marathon Wimbledon match


Richard Petty's 200 NASCAR victories


Barry Bonds' home run records


http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1224-unbreakable-sports-records-20131224,0,5784487.story#ixzz2oMGNdWJj

[Yachtzee]

I dont think his strikeout record falls as long as there are pitch counts.

The key for a record like that is longevity. I think with the nutrition and sports medicine advances, we might see a hard thrower in the bigs put in the 20+ years it would take to challenge Ryan's record. Might not happen soon, but I'd say with the advances that can be made in the next 20 years, anything is possible.

[15fan]

No way anyone touches Michael Phelps' Olympic medal haul.

And I don't think Tiger (or anyone else) is going to catch Jack for most PGA majors, either.

[Falcon7]

[QUOTE=Slyder;3019365]I think Hamilton could very easily make a run at least one of those two. He's got such incredible speed that he's going to be able to stretch a lot of stuff. This is assuming his bat catches up to MLB pitching which is a bit of an assumption on my part.

"Very easily". Wow dude that is way out there...

[Chip R]

67 doubles doesn't seem that crazy. the right player in the right park could do it.

I can see that too. The triples record, however, is safe.

[BluegrassRedleg]

That Jerry Rice record may not last beyond 10 years the way the NFL has turned into flag football.

[Yachtzee]

That Jerry Rice record may not last beyond 10 years the way the NFL has turned into flag football.

No kidding. Trends at the high school and college levels indicate that the pass happy days will only get worse. There are already college teams putting up 500-600 yards on offense and losing. Stat lines that used to be seen only when playing Madden on the Xbox are becoming a common sight in real football.

[Raisor]

Wilt Chamberlain's special record.

[redhawkfish]

Wilt Chamberlain's special record.

Yeah! No one will score 100 points in a game again!;)