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Puig Your Red
04-21-2014, 02:12 PM
Hamilton
Votto
Phillips
Frazier
Bruce
Ludwick
Mesoraco
Cozart
Leake

757690
04-21-2014, 02:24 PM
So it looks like Baker wasn't the only one in the Reds dugout last year who thinks Phillips is a middle of the lineup hitter.

wheels
04-21-2014, 02:29 PM
What does Rocco have to do to get moved up?

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 03:43 PM
What does Rocco have to do to get moved up?

Evidently, the excuse is that they don't want to put too much pressure on him too early, but I say to hell with that. The man is a professional, so let's see if he can do some damage. He's got the hot bat right now.

malcontent
04-21-2014, 04:01 PM
What does Rocco have to do to get moved up?
I'm for moving him to the 6-hole. Baby steps, I guess. But who gets moved to 7? Frazier?

BTW, it will be very interesting to see the sleet-storm if Phillips ever gets dropped below 4.

SlimJim11
04-21-2014, 04:02 PM
So it looks like Baker wasn't the only one in the Reds dugout last year who thinks Phillips is a middle of the lineup hitter.

Maybe Price will figure it out in time. Or he thinks he'll lose BP if he moves him down to 6 where he belongs.

NeilHamburger
04-21-2014, 04:13 PM
If you move Phillips to 6 he'll go nuts.

757690
04-21-2014, 04:15 PM
If you move Phillips to 6 he'll go nuts.

Phillips has moved all over the lineup and never said anything. Off the field, it's all about DatDudeBP. On the field, he's always been a team player.

SlimJim11
04-21-2014, 04:21 PM
Phillips has moved all over the lineup and never said anything. Off the field, it's all about DatDudeBP. On the field, he's always been a team player.

The last time he hit below 4th was 2006. Saying he's been moved all over isn't really the truth. He's been moved around from 1-4. Hitters aren't typically going to have a problem with hitting 1-4.

CySeymour
04-21-2014, 04:33 PM
The last time he hit below 4th was 2006. Saying he's been moved all over isn't really the truth. He's been moved around from 1-4. Hitters aren't typically going to have a problem with hitting 1-4.

2007: He started 2 games hitting 5th
2010: He started 2 games hitting 6th, 1 game hitting 7th

SlimJim11
04-21-2014, 04:35 PM
2007: He started 2 games hitting 5th
2010: He started 2 games hitting 6th, 1 game hitting 7th

As I said, he hits 1-4. You can nit pick that and say he's played 5 games in 7 years outside of 1-4, but that doesn't really count to me.

Kc61
04-21-2014, 04:36 PM
I'm for moving him to the 6-hole. Baby steps, I guess. But who gets moved to 7? Frazier?

BTW, it will be very interesting to see the sleet-storm if Phillips ever gets dropped below 4.

Yes, Frazier. Against righties.

757690
04-21-2014, 04:38 PM
As I said, he hits 1-4. You can nit pick that and say he's played 5 games in 7 years outside of 1-4, but that doesn't really count to me.

What happened when he hit #5-7? Did he lose it?

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 04:44 PM
If you move Phillips to 6 he'll go nuts.

Yeah, I don't get this. Brandon's been about as flexible as they come when it comes to playing wherever the coaches want him to play. I've seen Brandon hit in every spot in the lineup. Much ado about nothing IMO.

Some people are making it sound like Phillips is demanding he hit in a certain spot or else. It's not up to him where the coaches choose to hit him.

villain612
04-21-2014, 04:57 PM
Hamilton
Votto
Phillips
Frazier
Bruce
Ludwick
Mesoraco
Cozart
Leake


I could make an argument that both Rocco AND Leake should be hitting higher up.

villain612
04-21-2014, 05:07 PM
Considering how bad his AVG is (.220), Jay Bruce's OBP isn't as bad as you'd think (.335). He's tied with Votto for the team lead in walks so far.
Glad to see a more patient approach. When the hits start pouring in, Mr. Bruce could be dangerous.

VR
04-21-2014, 05:55 PM
Bruce is heads and shoulders above last year, and despite the lower batting average......all other stats are significantly ahead of where he was last April. I love the walks!

redsfaninbsg
04-21-2014, 06:00 PM
Wandy Rodriguez was placed on the DL today, any idea on who replaces him in the rotation?

Raisor
04-21-2014, 06:02 PM
Wandy Rodriguez was placed on the DL today, any idea on who replaces him in the rotation?


Sandy Koufax probably :(

Chip R
04-21-2014, 06:05 PM
If it's Pittsburgh then Sean Casey will be crushing the color tonight on FSO.

NebraskaRed
04-21-2014, 06:10 PM
Wandy Rodriguez was placed on the DL today, any idea on who replaces him in the rotation?

Maybe Randy Wodriguez?

jojo
04-21-2014, 06:14 PM
This is a huge series as the Reds have a chance to put some distance between themselves and a major division rival as they potentially climb a rung up the ladder in the standings.

757690
04-21-2014, 06:15 PM
If it's Pittsburgh then Sean Casey will be crushing the color tonight on FSO.

Hello Ballpark sounds on MLB.TV

NebraskaRed
04-21-2014, 06:18 PM
And Aaron Boone will be on ESPN. The 90's are alive in Pittsburgh!

malcontent
04-21-2014, 06:34 PM
If it's Pittsburgh then Sean Casey will be crushing the color tonight on FSO.
OH GOD.

malcontent
04-21-2014, 06:38 PM
Some people are making it sound like Phillips is demanding he hit in a certain spot or else. It's not up to him where the coaches choose to hit him.
Um, no. But my gut instinct tells me someone could take issue with such a move. How's that?

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 06:38 PM
We'll get to see Ike Davis again tonight since the Pirates traded for him a few days ago.

Red Raindog
04-21-2014, 06:40 PM
Wandy Rodriguez was placed on the DL today, any idea on who replaces him in the rotation?

some guy named undecided is listed at ESPN

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If it's Pittsburgh then Sean Casey will be crushing the color tonight on FSO.

mute is your friend

Chuckie
04-21-2014, 06:41 PM
I don't get having Mesoraco seventh in the batting order. He should be fifth on days when Bruce bats cleanup ... and cleanup on the days when Bruce bats fifth.

I suppose it's as simple as Price not wanting to put too much pressure on him, but there's no question Mez is the Reds' best right-handed hitter. He's destined for the No. 5 (or cleanup) spot. Might as well do it soon. Frazier is not good enough to put there, IMO.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 06:46 PM
Sandy Koufax probably :(

Considering that he's 78...I'm fine with that. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 06:49 PM
Hello Ballpark sounds on MLB.TV

I haven't seen that option this year. I also haven't seen the Radio audio overlay either. :(

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Um, no. But my gut instinct tells me someone could take issue with such a move. How's that?

Agree to disagree. I don't think he'd say a peep about it.

CySeymour
04-21-2014, 06:55 PM
As I said, he hits 1-4. You can nit pick that and say he's played 5 games in 7 years outside of 1-4, but that doesn't really count to me.

Well since you're making the rules now...

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 06:57 PM
Well last time we put 3 runs on Liriano. Votto hit a 2 run HR and Bryan Pena went 2-for-4 for the BA.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:06 PM
Well last time we put 3 runs on Liriano. Votto hit a 2 run HR and Bryan Pena went 2-for-4 for the BA.

He hasn't had to face Rocco yet this year though. :O)

2 for 6 last year (2 doubles) with 3 walks against Liriano. But this isn't last year's Rocco either. *grin*

Let's go Redlegs...pound the snot outta Liriano!

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:12 PM
Huh. I've never seen that before. The umps are talking to Hurdle and basically asking him about the ground rules. where a HR is, over the line or over the railing, etc. It was clear that's what they were talking about. You'd think they'd discuss that prior to the lineup card exchange.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 07:13 PM
Great. Can't afford to have Hamilton hurt.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:13 PM
Crap. HBP.

Right on the shin. I guess that's one way to limit the running game. :(

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 07:14 PM
So are the Pirates employing their version of "hack a Billy"?

kbrake
04-21-2014, 07:14 PM
I didn't like getting hit when I played and kids were topping out at 55. Can't imagine how much fun that is.

Larkin Fan
04-21-2014, 07:17 PM
I find all HBPs by the Pirates these days to be suspect.

BluegrassRedleg
04-21-2014, 07:17 PM
Wow. How exciting was that? He is so fun to watch run.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:18 PM
LOL! AWESOME! SB attempt, but Votto hits it back to the pitcher, he goes to third anyway. Damn!

Larkin Fan
04-21-2014, 07:18 PM
Go Billy go.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:19 PM
"That's what happens when you're so fast, sometimes you go flying past the bag" ~ Casey

Seriously Case...how in the world would YOU know. LOL. I run faster than you do. :O)

BluegrassRedleg
04-21-2014, 07:20 PM
Speed = pressure

LOL. Goes first to third on a grounder to the pitcher and scores on a quick-hopper to third.

Ridiculous.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:20 PM
Grounder to third. Hamilton scores. NO CLUE how he scored there.

Ah, he dropped the ball. If he hadn't dropped it, Billy was toast.

kaldaniels
04-21-2014, 07:20 PM
That's 3 Billy Runs this year by my count.

Starting to add up.

WVRedsFan
04-21-2014, 07:22 PM
Great goodness, will some please shut Casey up!!

Larkin Fan
04-21-2014, 07:22 PM
Speed is a wonderful thing.

kbrake
04-21-2014, 07:22 PM
Grounder to third. Hamilton scores. NO CLUE how he scored there.

Ah, he dropped the ball. If he hadn't dropped it, Billy was toast.

I'm pretty sure he beat the tag. Martin got him up pretty high and I think Hamilton was already to the plate.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:23 PM
Frazier draws the walk. 1st & 2nd with 1 down for Bruce

tomnuetten
04-21-2014, 07:23 PM
That's 3 Billy Runs this year by my count.

Starting to add up.

billy run? thatīs a martin canīt hold on to the baseball run...

another bad contact play right there. at some point they should think about it (got lucky this time)

Red Raindog
04-21-2014, 07:23 PM
Great goodness, will some please shut Casey up!!

is that physically possible?

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:24 PM
I'm pretty sure he beat the tag. Martin got him up pretty high and I think Hamilton was already to the plate.

Not so sure. I like the aggressiveness and forcing the defense to make the play. But if he hadn't dropped it...I'm not so sure.

Jay pops out to Alvarez. 2 down.

Raisor
04-21-2014, 07:25 PM
I kinda like Aaron Boone on Espn. At least he's more listenable than, say, Sutcliffe.

faffy42
04-21-2014, 07:25 PM
The HAMSTER!!! Makin it happen...that 1st to 3rd was just wow...great aggressiveness.

Larkin Fan
04-21-2014, 07:26 PM
is that physically possible?

Nope. It's been demonstrated through multiple studies that he can't be silenced.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 07:26 PM
Hence why Meso should be hitting higher in the lineup!

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:27 PM
Ludwick K's on a ball in the dirt. But we put one on the board. 1-0 Reds.

Okay Mike...keep 'em off balance.

redsfaninbsg
04-21-2014, 07:27 PM
Need to get in the Pirates pen, it has to be gassed.

WVRedsFan
04-21-2014, 07:28 PM
Nope. It's been demonstrated through multiple studies that he can't be silenced.

I've already switched to ESPN. Too much.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:28 PM
Need to get in the Pirates poem, it has to be gassed.

Didn't figure you for a poetry fan. :O)

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 07:29 PM
Need to get in the Pirates pen, it has to be gassed.

Very true. According to Marty, Gomez, Grilli, and Watson are not even available for them to use tonight.

Puig Your Red
04-21-2014, 07:29 PM
I wonder how much Boone makes at ESPN? I know he loved Cincinnati and he's better than Brantley for sure.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:31 PM
Yep, spot on Welsh. I love how quickly Leake works. Keeps the defense on their toes too.

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Pop out to Votto in foul ground. Weird angle for him.

RiverRat13
04-21-2014, 07:31 PM
I wonder how much Boone makes at ESPN? I know he loved Cincinnati and he's better than Brantley for sure.

Does he like ice cream?

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:32 PM
1 pitch groundout for Martin to Brandon. Quickly 2 down.

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Does he like ice cream?

Or chicken, or ribs, or steak, or candy, or, or, or, or, or....

Raisor
04-21-2014, 07:33 PM
Hence why Meso should be hitting higher in the lineup!

Rocco

RedsBrick
04-21-2014, 07:33 PM
I love 1 pitch outs when in the field...and equally loathe them when at the plate. It's all in your perspective.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:34 PM
McCutchen works a walk. All 4 balls JUUUUUUST missed.

tomnuetten
04-21-2014, 07:35 PM
phillips defensively with a slow/bad start to the season

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:35 PM
Grounder to Phillips, eats him up. Even lost his mitt. Everybody safe.

malcontent
04-21-2014, 07:36 PM
Walker would be HOF material if he only played against the Reds.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:36 PM
Walker hits a ROPE...right to Bruce. Walker killed us last series. I hope we contain him this time around.

Kc61
04-21-2014, 07:36 PM
phillips defensively with a slow/bad start to the season

BP may have slowed down, but that ball was a smash. One of those plays you put the glove down and hope.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 07:37 PM
Neil Walker still hitting the ball hard.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:39 PM
Weird list. Chris Stynes? hehe.

BluegrassRedleg
04-21-2014, 07:39 PM
Mez keeps on raking.

RedsBrick
04-21-2014, 07:39 PM
He's seeing beach balls up there!

WVRedsFan
04-21-2014, 07:39 PM
Rocco be hot!!

tomnuetten
04-21-2014, 07:39 PM
BP may have slowed down, but that ball was a smash. One of those plays you put the glove down and hope.

that was not an easy play, but he had multiple of those this season and didnīt make any... the way he fielded the ball in past years you expect him to make those plays... looks like his range gets smaller aswell

kbrake
04-21-2014, 07:39 PM
Rocco is just insane.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:40 PM
Rocco with a solid single to left.

Is it time for "Roccomatic" yet? :O)

Raisor
04-21-2014, 07:40 PM
Cozart's ops would make a tremendous OBP

RiverRat13
04-21-2014, 07:40 PM
#Roccoonfire

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:41 PM
#Roccoonfire

I read that as Racoon fire.

Raisor
04-21-2014, 07:41 PM
I follow nibbles the horse on twitter. I have doubts he's really a horse.

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I read that as Racoon fire.

Weirdo

RedsBaron
04-21-2014, 07:42 PM
I guess that Sean Casey doesn't know the story of Willard Hershberger.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:42 PM
Zack K's swinging. 1 down for Leake.

Sac bunt. He gets it down. I would've let him swing away though.

kbrake
04-21-2014, 07:42 PM
Not a fan of sacrificing in that situation.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 07:42 PM
Making Leake sacrifice?

Raisor
04-21-2014, 07:43 PM
Leake might be faster than BHam

faffy42
04-21-2014, 07:43 PM
Dear mike price.... go ahead and move your .500 hitter in front of someone besides cozart and the pitcher. Thank you. A fan.

Larkin Fan
04-21-2014, 07:43 PM
Ugh the bunt... again...

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 07:43 PM
If anything, maybe Cozart should've been bunting to set up Leake #NotsureifI'mkiddingornot

Raisor
04-21-2014, 07:44 PM
Dear mike price.... go ahead and move your .500 hitter in front of someone besides cozart and the pitcher. Thank you. A fan.

Mike Price?

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:44 PM
Dear mike price.... go ahead and move your .500 hitter in front of someone besides cozart and the pitcher. Thank you. A fan.


Bryan. Although he probably answers to Phil Mickelson too.

Hamilton pops up to center. Immediately drops down for 10 pushups.

Raisor
04-21-2014, 07:45 PM
Bryan.

Hamilton pops up to center. Immediately drops down for 10 pushups.

He may run like Hayes, but he hits like his mother.

RedsBrick
04-21-2014, 07:45 PM
I kinda figured Cozart would sac bunt to give Leake the RBI opp

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:46 PM
He may run like Hayes, but he hits like his mother.

I don't have her OPS handy, so I'm not sure if that's an insult or not.

NebraskaRed
04-21-2014, 07:46 PM
Dear mike price.... go ahead and move your .500 hitter in front of someone besides cozart and the pitcher. Thank you. A fan.

http://cache.comcorpusa.com/640/0/crop/ktsm/media/sports/mike%20price.jpg

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:47 PM
Soft single to left for Ike Davis.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:49 PM
*whew* Nice scoop by Votto. 5-4-3 DP

RiverRat13
04-21-2014, 07:49 PM
http://cache.comcorpusa.com/640/0/crop/ktsm/media/sports/mike%20price.jpg

Roll tide!

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:51 PM
Fly out to center to end the inning. 1-0 Reds after 2 full.

kaldaniels
04-21-2014, 07:53 PM
http://cache.comcorpusa.com/640/0/crop/ktsm/media/sports/mike%20price.jpg

Why'd they mislabel Walt?

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:53 PM
Top of 3

Votto, Phillips, Frazier, Bruce, Ludwick, Mesoraco, Cozart, Leake, Hamilton, Votto, Phillips, Frazier, Bruce, Ludwick all due up this inning.

RedsBrick
04-21-2014, 07:54 PM
the ole high and tight to low and away

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:55 PM
Joey k's on a NASTY pitch.

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Brandon with a shot off the wall in center. 2 bagger!

RedlegJake
04-21-2014, 07:56 PM
Toddfather!

kbrake
04-21-2014, 07:56 PM
The Liriano slider to left handed hitters is so unfair. Good to see our right handed bats jumping all over him.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:56 PM
HEY! There we go! 2-0 Reds after a Frazier double!

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 07:56 PM
People were bashing Phillips lately here so he proves us wrong with a double. This board has mystical powers!

wheels
04-21-2014, 07:57 PM
It's been lots of fun watching this team hit recently. I hope they can keep this up.

kaldaniels
04-21-2014, 07:57 PM
I said it last week. I like Bruce but I think I'd sit Bruce vs Liriano and just stack the deck with RHB vs Liriano.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:57 PM
Jay grounds out to first. 2 down. Todd to third.

DocRed
04-21-2014, 07:58 PM
Does this Ump have a huge Strikezone or what?!?

faffy42
04-21-2014, 07:59 PM
Why'd they mislabel Walt?

: ) I live in wa. state... that's actually what might of happened subconciously

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 07:59 PM
Luddy grounds out to short to end the inning. But we add on another one. 2-0 Reds.

wheels
04-21-2014, 07:59 PM
Rocco is going to lead off another inning. They're not maximizing his hotness.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:00 PM
Mets up 1-0 early on the Cards.

BluegrassRedleg
04-21-2014, 08:04 PM
Leake's got everything rolling here lately.

kbrake
04-21-2014, 08:04 PM
Marte singles and is immediately picked on.

Kc61
04-21-2014, 08:05 PM
Leake picks off Marte.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 08:05 PM
Both pitchers working fast tonight.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:09 PM
2-0 Reds with Rocco walking to the plate. Pirates defense quivers in fear.

RedsBrick
04-21-2014, 08:09 PM
Beach balls, I say!

BluegrassRedleg
04-21-2014, 08:09 PM
Mez. Hitting machine.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 08:09 PM
Screw .400. Meso is making a run at .500 this year!

M2
04-21-2014, 08:09 PM
Marte singles and is immediately picked on.

Did Marte's mom use a bowl to cut his hair?

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:10 PM
Single to center btw. :o)

Hillsdale87
04-21-2014, 08:10 PM
Price should challenge that. He beat it

BluegrassRedleg
04-21-2014, 08:10 PM
Safe. Gonna win another challenge.

Raisor
04-21-2014, 08:10 PM
He was safe

kbrake
04-21-2014, 08:10 PM
You think Rocco will get two plaques upon arrival in Cooperstown? And he beat that throw.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:10 PM
Rocco with the SB. OH! called out. Not so sure.

Ump had a bad angle on that. Directly behind the runner.

No challenge. Mistake.

Kc61
04-21-2014, 08:11 PM
Mes was safe, they should have challenged.

kaldaniels
04-21-2014, 08:11 PM
Safe.

Hire a new replay adviser.

BluegrassRedleg
04-21-2014, 08:11 PM
C'mon, bench bros. Gotta challenge that. Clear-cut.

Raisor
04-21-2014, 08:11 PM
I hate the challange system. Just get the call right.

DocRed
04-21-2014, 08:11 PM
God, MLB Umps are just terrible...

Red Raindog
04-21-2014, 08:12 PM
Mes now at .543 -----

kaldaniels
04-21-2014, 08:12 PM
God, MLB Umps are just terrible...

That was extremely close. Not gonna fault them.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:13 PM
Cozart flies out to center. McCutchen showing off his wheels.

Raisor
04-21-2014, 08:13 PM
That was extremely close. Not gonna fault them.

If you love the umps so much you should marry them

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:13 PM
That was extremely close. Not gonna fault them.

Agreed about it being close. I will fault him on his positioning though. He had a poor angle to make that call.

DocRed
04-21-2014, 08:13 PM
That was extremely close. Not gonna fault them.

I will, because they got it wrong, close or not. They get paid to make the right call, not the wrong call on close plays.

kbrake
04-21-2014, 08:14 PM
I think MLB umpires usually do a pretty good job on plays like that but this whole challenge thing is so silly. Took 30 seconds to look at several different angles and see he was safe just correct it right away and move on.

Raisor
04-21-2014, 08:14 PM
Mes now at .543 -----

Rocco

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:14 PM
Leake k's to end the inning. This game is flyin'.

krm1580
04-21-2014, 08:14 PM
Coming into this game Cozart had an OPS of .077 when he is ahead in the count. I am not sure what was more amazing, that he was OPSing .077 or that he has been ahead in the count 12 times all season.

George Anderson
04-21-2014, 08:15 PM
If you love the umps so much you should marry them

Mommas don't let your babies grow up to be umpires.

Chip R
04-21-2014, 08:15 PM
I guess that Sean Casey doesn't know the story of Willard Hershberger.

I'm not sure anyone in the booth does.

M2
04-21-2014, 08:15 PM
God, MLB Umps are just terrible...

They call guys out when it feels like an out.

Kc61
04-21-2014, 08:15 PM
Funny part about the challenge is that the one guy who doesn't see the replay in the manager.

The fans see it on TV. Some replay coach sees it. Some guy in NY sees it.

The manager relies on others, doesn't see the play, then decides.

Raisor
04-21-2014, 08:16 PM
I'm not sure anyone in the booth does.

Hey what games do you want to go to?

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:18 PM
Another soft single off Leake. McCutchen to left this time. Good pitch too.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 08:18 PM
The silliest part about the replay system is that managers go out to "argue" with the umpire and then wait for a signal. I imagine those conversations are like "So...what are you doing for dinner? I'm only out here to wait for a signal about what to do."

BCubb2003
04-21-2014, 08:18 PM
Rocco

Rake-o

Chip R
04-21-2014, 08:19 PM
Hey what games do you want to go to?

Monday & Tuesday sound good to me.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:19 PM
Alvarez with a rocket off the RF wall. Bruce plays it perfectly. Pedro to 2nd, Andrew to 3rd.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 08:19 PM
Well, Leake has really worked himself into a jam here.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:20 PM
Walker plunked in the butt. Bases jacked.

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Alright. Triple play right here. :O)

M2
04-21-2014, 08:20 PM
Rake-o

Mesobatmania

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 08:20 PM
I was afraid of that.......

Red Raindog
04-21-2014, 08:20 PM
Tonight Leake went from good to bad fast

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:21 PM
UGH. 4-2 Pirates. Ike Davis granny.

Red in Chicago
04-21-2014, 08:21 PM
Ouch.

Tom Servo
04-21-2014, 08:21 PM
lol

Raisor
04-21-2014, 08:21 PM
Ugh.

redhawkfish
04-21-2014, 08:21 PM
Ike Davis turning into Bill Hall!:thumbdown:

Kc61
04-21-2014, 08:21 PM
What is with the Reds and Ike Davis?

BluegrassRedleg
04-21-2014, 08:21 PM
Damn, Leake. Get it together, man.

faffy42
04-21-2014, 08:22 PM
The silliest part about the replay system is that managers go out to "argue" with the umpire and then wait for a signal. I imagine those conversations are like "So...what are you doing for dinner? I'm only out here to wait for a signal about what to do."

Yes...does seem a little silly. It was silly before the replay system too...cuz the umps changed their minds 0% of the time after arguuing. But I LOVE the challenge system! Gives the team a chance to get the right call!

Stray
04-21-2014, 08:22 PM
Off the plate inside and he hits it out.

And breaks his bat.

757690
04-21-2014, 08:22 PM
Cue twelve more pages in the Leake thread, lol.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:22 PM
Out #1. A bit late.

BCubb2003
04-21-2014, 08:22 PM
Broken-bat grand slam.

Red in Chicago
04-21-2014, 08:23 PM
Tonight Leake went from good to bad fast

That will add another 20 pages to the Leake threads.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 08:23 PM
Cue twelve more pages in the Leake thread, lol.

See, people were praising Leake around these parts a few days ago. Opposite happens!

Raisor
04-21-2014, 08:23 PM
Yes...does seem a little silly. It was silly before the replay system too...cuz the umps changed their minds 0% of the time after arguuing. But I LOVE the challenge system! Gives the team a chance to get the right call!

What I don't like is there being a limit on challenges.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:24 PM
2 down after Barmes K's.
Liriano grounds out to Votto to end the inning. But the damage is done. 4-2 Pirates. :(

Alright boys...take it back!

Tom Servo
04-21-2014, 08:25 PM
Inning over, damage sufficiently done.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 08:25 PM
Leake must've had a brain cloud for the first part of that inning.

Kc61
04-21-2014, 08:26 PM
There shouldn't be challenges. There should be a replay official assigned to each game. He should decide when replay is invoked and should review the play himself.

All the official needs to do is signal the umpires to hold play for a few minutes.

It would be faster, more efficient, and not subject to these challenge rules.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:27 PM
Leake must've had a brain cloud for the first part of that inning.

2 bad pitches up in the heart of the zone. Shame because he's throwing the ball well.

Red in Chicago
04-21-2014, 08:27 PM
Sick of the bad bunting.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:28 PM
Billy out on the bunt attempt back to Liriano

kbrake
04-21-2014, 08:28 PM
Even on a bad bunt right back to the pitcher it was a close play.

Larry Schuler
04-21-2014, 08:29 PM
This is when Liriano suddenly becomes impossible to hit for the next 3 innings, right?

Kc61
04-21-2014, 08:29 PM
2 bad pitches up in the heart of the zone. Shame because he's throwing the ball well.

Leake simply gives up too many homers for a ground ball type pitcher. This has been his nemesis and he needs to fix it.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 08:29 PM
Second game of the Cubs series aside, the top part of our lineup has been struggling lately.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:31 PM
Joey flies out to AC in left center. 2 down for Phillips.

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Reds go 1-2-3 after BP pops up to 2nd.

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Mets still up 1-0 on the Cards. Now in the 6th.
No score in the 2nd of the Brewers/Friars game.

faffy42
04-21-2014, 08:31 PM
What I don't like is there being a limit on challenges.

I like the limit in regards to game time...the game will really slow down if a team can challenge anytime with no penalty. You would see a ton of plays challenged. But as it is now..you have to limit use of your one challenge whenever your most certain, and its a crucial play...and you do also get another one if your right.

powersackers
04-21-2014, 08:31 PM
We'll get to see Ike Davis again tonight since the Pirates traded for him a few days ago.

Yeah we see him. Ouch.

WVRedsFan
04-21-2014, 08:32 PM
Speaking as a fan, Billy Hamilton is not ready to lead off 150 games a season. Fast is fine, but when you can't hit well enough to swing away and resort to the bunt, he needs more seasoning. Yes, everyone loves the speed, but the Reds need a real lead off hitter.

faffy42
04-21-2014, 08:32 PM
there shouldn't be challenges. There should be a replay official assigned to each game. He should decide when replay is invoked and should review the play himself.

All the official needs to do is signal the umpires to hold play for a few minutes.

It would be faster, more efficient, and not subject to these challenge rules.
i like this idea the best : )

Kc61
04-21-2014, 08:33 PM
I like the limit in regards to game time...the game will really slow down if a team can challenge anytime with no penalty. You would see a ton of plays challenged. But as it is now..you have to limit use of your one challenge whenever your most certain, and its a crucial play...and you do also get another one if your right.

As I said, why have challenges at all. By nature they are time consuming. Manager has to go out, argue, wait for the team's replay coach to review. Takes forever.

Simply have an official look at all plays he considers close. Take it away from the managers. Will be much faster.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:33 PM
Marte flies out to Bruce. 1 pitch out.
Martin grounds out to short. 2 down.

Kc61
04-21-2014, 08:33 PM
faffy 42 our posts crossed in the mail.

C'mon Leake.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:36 PM
This just in. McCutchen is pretty darned good. Single.

Another pitch left up again by Leake. I've only seen that about 4 times today...they've punished all 4 of them.

kbrake
04-21-2014, 08:36 PM
Speaking as a fan, Billy Hamilton is not ready to lead off 150 games a season. Fast is fine, but when you can't hit well enough to swing away and resort to the bunt, he needs more seasoning. Yes, everyone loves the speed, but the Reds need a real lead off hitter.

It would be absurd for the bunt to not be a part of his game. Like everything else he needs to get better at it but he has to have that as part of his game.

kaldaniels
04-21-2014, 08:37 PM
i like this idea the best : )

Like college football.

You don't hear much complaint about how they do it.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:37 PM
Line out to center. Hamilton almost overran it. But Alvarez is gone. 4-2 Pirates it stays.

WVRedsFan
04-21-2014, 08:38 PM
It would be absurd for the bunt to not be a part of his game. Like everything else he needs to get better at it but he has to have that as part of his game.
Agree, but it appears that's all he has with the bat now. I like the kid, but the same thing over and over won't work.

Billy Hamilton's Legs
04-21-2014, 08:39 PM
The challenge thing is silly. Managers walking out of the dugout at a snail pace to give their replay guys time is just obnoxious.

Kc61
04-21-2014, 08:40 PM
Brandon Webb had a short career but was an outstanding ground ball starting pitcher. He pitched seven years, over 200 innings in five of them.

His homers allowed each season were 12, 17, 21, 15, 12, 13, 2 (short season obviously).

Leake has allowed 19, 23, 26, 21 in his years through 2013. Never threw 200 innings.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:43 PM
Frazier walks to lead off.

Jay tries to lay down a bunt to burn the shift. Fouled off.

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Brandon Webb had a short career but was an outstanding ground ball starting pitcher. He pitched seven years, over 200 innings in five of them.

His homers allowed each season were 12, 17, 21, 15, 12, 13, 2 (short season obviously).

Leake has allowed 19, 23, 26, 21 in his years through 2013. Never threw 200 innings.

Webb was a yearly Cy Young candidate. That's kinda an unfair comparison don't you think?

Cedric
04-21-2014, 08:43 PM
I'm not huge on caring about batting order but Mes at 7 killed the Reds tonight.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:43 PM
Bruce hits into the DP. 2 down for Ludwick.
Ground out to short.

Kc61
04-21-2014, 08:44 PM
Frazier walks to lead off.

Jay tries to lay down a bunt to burn the shift. Fouled off.

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Webb was a yearly Cy Young candidate. That's kinda an unfair comparison don't you think?

No, it's an attempt to show what is expected from a top ground ball pitcher. I'm not expecting Leake to match Webb across the board. But IMO a ground ball pitcher can't allow over 20 homers per year.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:48 PM
No, it's an attempt to show what is expected from a top ground ball pitcher. I'm not expecting Leake to match Webb across the board. But IMO a ground ball pitcher can't allow over 20 homers per year.

I personally never really considered Mike a ground ball pitcher. I see him as a finesse pitcher who works the zone and his speeds to keep hitters off balance.

~edit~ Webb was nearly twice as much of a GB/FB pitcher than Leake has been.


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Walker singles to left.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:51 PM
Davis K's
Tabata flies out to Jay.

Ground out to short to end the inning. 4-2 Bucs after 6 full.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:55 PM
Rocco on yet again! E on Barmes

WVRedsFan
04-21-2014, 08:58 PM
Cozart-pitcher-Hamilton is a struggle tonight. Rocco gets on and it amounts to nothing.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 08:59 PM
Mets up 2-0 on Cards now (7th)

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Zack battling. Ends up flying out to Tabata. 1 down. Solid ab there.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 08:59 PM
Cozart battled there, but didn't manage to get anything out of it.

WVRedsFan
04-21-2014, 09:00 PM
Leake with a hit

Kc61
04-21-2014, 09:00 PM
Bloop hit for Leake.

Telling you, the right play is bunt Cozart hit Leake.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:00 PM
Leake with a bloop single over 2nd. Rocco goes 1st to third.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:02 PM
Billy! Sac fly to center. 4-3 Pirates.

durl
04-21-2014, 09:02 PM
Still can't wrap my head around Votto batting second...

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:03 PM
2 down, Leake on 1st for Votto. Ground out to 2nd. But we plate 1. 4-3 Buccos

Kc61
04-21-2014, 09:04 PM
Still can't wrap my head around Votto batting second...

Votto hitting second might work, but I don't like it with Hamilton leading off.

I don't want Votto moving over runners or taking pitches so Billy can steal. I want him in a spot to swing away.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:04 PM
Brew crew put a 3 spot on the board. 3-0 in the 3rd over the Fathers.

wheels
04-21-2014, 09:04 PM
How beat up and tired is Pirates pen?

I might like the Reds in this close and late situation.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 09:05 PM
At least we cut into the deficit.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:05 PM
Votto hitting second might work, but I don't like it with Hamilton leading off.

I don't want Votto moving over runners or taking pitches so Billy can steal. I want him in a spot to swing away.

IMO he hasn't been taking pitches at all. I doubt that Votto ever has anything other than a green light.

kbrake
04-21-2014, 09:06 PM
Votto hitting second might work, but I don't like it with Hamilton leading off.

I don't want Votto moving over runners or taking pitches so Billy can steal. I want him in a spot to swing away.

That is why I like it though. I don't think Votto is taking pitches to let anyone run but he always takes pitches so Hamilton most times will have a few pitches to go on.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:06 PM
Soft 2 hopper to Phillips from Liriano. 1 down.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 09:07 PM
Milwaukee beating up San Diego 3-0 in the bottom of the third @ Milwaukee.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:08 PM
Marte grounds out to short. 2 down.
1-2-3 go the Pirates as Martin flies out to Jay

REDSEER
04-21-2014, 09:08 PM
Chris Welsh explaining TOOTBLAN.

:laugh:

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 09:08 PM
Well, if we are going to do some damage this is the part of the order that's supposed to do it. Phillips-Frazier-Bruce due up.

WVRedsFan
04-21-2014, 09:10 PM
Milwaukee beating up San Diego 3-0 in the bottom of the third @ Milwaukee.

If this keeps up, the Brewers will have a 10-game lead soon.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:10 PM
Outside of one bad inning, Leake's been pretty solid. Unfortunately, it was ONE BAD INNING. Parra warming btw.

Kc61
04-21-2014, 09:11 PM
I personally never really considered Mike a ground ball pitcher. I see him as a finesse pitcher who works the zone and his speeds to keep hitters off balance.

~edit~ Webb was nearly twice as much of a GB/FB pitcher than Leake has been.


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Walker singles to left.

Of starting pitchers last year at 120 or more innings, Leake's ground ball percentage was seventeenth best in the NL.

I think he's supposed to be a ground ball pitcher.

Obviously there are others who are better at it.

Still, needs to keep it in the stadium.

BP looks healthier tonight. Base hit.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:11 PM
1st pitch single for Phillips. There we go!

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:12 PM
Of starting pitchers last year at 120 or more innings, Leake's ground ball percentage was seventeenth best in the NL.

I think he's supposed to be a ground ball pitcher.

Obviously there are others who are better at it.

Still, needs to keep it in the stadium.

BP looks healthier tonight. Base hit.

I don't disagree, but he's never really had those traditional ground ball pitcher types of numbers (ratio wise).

Kc61
04-21-2014, 09:13 PM
IMO he hasn't been taking pitches at all. I doubt that Votto ever has anything other than a green light.

Second place hitter must be focused on Hamilton and whether he's going to run. I'd rather have Votto third.

But I still think the move to second was necessary because I don't see another candidate.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:14 PM
Padres working their way back. 3-1 now.
And now 3-2.

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Second place hitter must be focused on Hamilton and whether he's going to run. I'd rather have Votto third.

But I still think the move to second was necessary because I don't see another candidate.

No, second place hitter must be focused on the PITCHER. Period.

Kc61
04-21-2014, 09:15 PM
Now we're in business. Good game for Frazier.

Let's keep it going.

BluegrassRedleg
04-21-2014, 09:16 PM
Rally caps engage.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:16 PM
Frazier! Single up the middle. Brandon 1st to 3rd.

KYExtemper
04-21-2014, 09:16 PM
Time for Bruce to rip us a nice double.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:16 PM
Rally caps engage.

7019

villain612
04-21-2014, 09:17 PM
I'm late to the party. Just in time for a rally.

_Sir_Charles_
04-21-2014, 09:17 PM
Justin Wilson in for Liriano. 1st & 3rd, no outs for BRUUUUUUUUUCE!

WVRedsFan
04-21-2014, 09:17 PM
Another lefty out of the pen. Gotta hope Jay can read this one.

kbrake
04-21-2014, 09:18 PM
Second place hitter must be focused on Hamilton and whether he's going to run. I'd rather have Votto third.

But I still think the move to second was necessary because I don't see another candidate.

What did you think of Votto's comments that Hamilton is the only protection he's ever had in a lineup? That makes a big difference for me.