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Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 11:32 AM
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Chuckie
04-17-2016, 11:43 AM
Why is Moscot pitching instead of Simon? Isn't it Fredo's turn in the rotation?

Furthermore, Moscot didn't pitch well in either of his rehab starts. This could get ugly.

Mesoraco playing 2 days in a row makes me happy. I thought we'd see Barnhart today.

RedTeamGo!
04-17-2016, 11:52 AM
Rehab starts are kind of like spring training. The results mean very little.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 11:54 AM
Rehab starts are kind of like spring training. The results mean very little.

True, as long as his velocity was on point, that's probably all that matters.

Eric from NC
04-17-2016, 11:55 AM
Accoring to Sheldon, Price wanted more offensive pop vs. Wacha so sat BH for Schebler.

757690
04-17-2016, 12:06 PM
Accoring to Sheldon, Price wanted more offensive pop vs. Wacha so sat BH for Schebler.

I have yet to see any evidence that Schebler is a CF. I don't see what the Reds see.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 12:09 PM
I have yet to see any evidence that Schebler is a CF. I don't see what the Reds see.

I don't think they ever believe he can be an everyday CF. But he's OK as a fill-in guy in center once per week or so.

OnBaseMachine
04-17-2016, 12:24 PM
Hamilton has looked decent at the plate lately. Makes sense to sit him two cinsecutive days.

757690
04-17-2016, 12:45 PM
I don't think they ever believe he can be an everyday CF. But he's OK as a fill-in guy in center once per week or so.

Honestly. I don't even see that. He looks even worse than Choo did to my eyes.

Wonderful Monds
04-17-2016, 02:11 PM
Hamilton has looked decent at the plate lately. Makes sense to sit him two Cinsecutive days.

Best typo.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 02:12 PM
I feel bad to laugh, but man was that a stupid play by Moscot last year lol

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 02:17 PM
Cozart doubles and will save us all.

Suarez singles one to CF that was down around his shoes.

Gandalf the Red
04-17-2016, 02:20 PM
Cozart doubles and will save us all.

I feel a little guilty because my first thought is "I wonder what Walt can extract for him at the All-Star break if he keeps this up?"

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 02:21 PM
Eugenio no

picked off.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 02:22 PM
Nice work Joe. 1-0 Reds.

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Eugenio no

picked off.

Eugen-NO!

kaldaniels
04-17-2016, 02:23 PM
I'm not watching the broadcast.

Did that warrant a "get em on get em over get em in"?

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 02:24 PM
I feel a little guilty because my first thought is "I wonder what Walt can extract for him at the All-Star break if he keeps this up?"

Was immediately my first thought. No guilt though.

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I'm not watching the broadcast.

Did that warrant a "get em on get em over get em in"?

No, Grande didn't drop his classic line. But if this continues, the Reds will be on the smiling side of the scoreboard.

Big Klu
04-17-2016, 02:24 PM
I know the Reds (rightfully) chose not to challenge the pickoff, but I don't think that manager should even be allowed to wait for a replay guy to check the video before making a decision. If you want to challenge a call, you do it based on what you or your coaches and players saw from the dugout or field.

JaxRed
04-17-2016, 02:25 PM
I know the Reds (rightfully) chose not to challenge the pickoff, but I don't think that manager should even be allowed to wait for a replay guy to check the video before making a decision. If you want to challenge a call, you do it based on what you or your coaches and players saw from the dugout or field.

I agree.

Powder River
04-17-2016, 02:26 PM
Suarez is making me happy with his plate approach..... Everything else, not so much. I hope he gets it together on the bases and with the glove soon.

Bourgeois Zee
04-17-2016, 02:27 PM
Throw strikes, Moscot.

Is it me, or does the ball carry really well when Moscot pitches?

Powder River
04-17-2016, 02:29 PM
Anyone have thoughts on why they're not giving more playing time to Holt?

DocRed
04-17-2016, 02:29 PM
geezus BP error again..

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 02:29 PM
Damn BP, get it together.

Big Klu
04-17-2016, 02:30 PM
Anyone have thoughts on why they're not giving more playing time to Holt?

I think they are obviously looking for more offense.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 02:31 PM
Nice job Moscot, more of that.

JaxRed
04-17-2016, 02:31 PM
I'm hopeful for Moscot. I think he was well on his way last year before the injury.

Donder
04-17-2016, 02:32 PM
geezus BP error again..

Bobblin' Brandon

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 02:32 PM
Impressive first inning from Moscot.

Donder
04-17-2016, 02:33 PM
Man I want this bunt thing to work for Bruce. I hope he sticks with it.


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BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 02:33 PM
Bruce just barely missed that one.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 02:33 PM
I know the Reds (rightfully) chose not to challenge the pickoff, but I don't think that manager should even be allowed to wait for a replay guy to check the video before making a decision. If you want to challenge a call, you do it based on what you or your coaches and players saw from the dugout or field.

I know, could you imagine if they could do that in football? I mean, Marvin would still get most of his challenges wrong probably, but it sure would change things.

Big Klu
04-17-2016, 02:34 PM
Why is Moscot pitching instead of Simon? Isn't it Fredo's turn in the rotation?

Simon started on Wednesday at Chicago. His next scheduled start would be tomorrow.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 02:35 PM
Duvall double!

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 02:35 PM
Bobblin' Brandon
Sad!

Donder
04-17-2016, 02:36 PM
Is Duvall starting to make anyone else a believer?


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Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 02:37 PM
Is Duvall starting to make anyone else a believer?


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Yup. I think he's a cheap source of power who you could stick in the lineup everyday and give you something like 25 HRs, 30 2Bs. Of course the problem is the OBP will be low and he's hard to hide defensively.

'69
04-17-2016, 02:41 PM
Sad!

Wierd.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 02:41 PM
Jim Day gives a glowing report on Homer Bailey. Coaching staff can't believe how good he looks. (Bailey, not Day.)

Big Klu
04-17-2016, 02:41 PM
I know, could you imagine if they could do that in football? I mean, Marvin would still get most of his challenges wrong probably, but it sure would change things.

The main difference is that football coaching staffs have someone up in the booth anyway, and they are in constant communication with the sideline via the headsets. Also, the flow of the game isn't disrupted in football like it is in baseball.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 02:42 PM
Cheap HR for Jerk-O.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 02:43 PM
Jerko, barely over the fence. Tie game.

I can live with solo HRs though.

TheBigLebowski
04-17-2016, 02:43 PM
Moscot is just not very good.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 02:44 PM
Moscot is just not very good.

Better than Melville. #lowbar

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 02:47 PM
Well, time to start grilling. I'll check back later.

BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 02:48 PM
Too much plate to all of these guys. Make some pitches, young man.

Gandalf the Red
04-17-2016, 02:48 PM
Well, if he doesn't work out as a starter, Moscot should be able to make a seamless transition to the Reds' bullpen.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 02:49 PM
Moscot will be fine.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 02:52 PM
Moscot will be fine.
Agreed, though I'm not a necessarily sold on him adding much besides eating some innings this season. You can't be surprised that a pitch-to-contact guy runs into trouble sometimes.

Chip R
04-17-2016, 02:54 PM
Agreed, though I'm not a necessarily sold on him adding much besides eating some innings this season. You can't be surprised that a pitch-to-contact guy runs into trouble sometimes.

That's exactly what we need.

Ironman92
04-17-2016, 02:55 PM
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BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 02:56 PM
They're all over Wacha today. Unfortunately, about 2-3 balls have been scalded right at someone.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 02:56 PM
Agreed, though I'm not a necessarily sold on him adding much besides eating some innings this season. You can't be surprised that a pitch-to-contact guy runs into trouble sometimes.

I think Moscot will be a very solid BOR starter.

His stuff may be major league average but his control and makeup are very good.

He hasn't pitched in a real game for about ten months, so there may be a break in period.

IMO he's undersold consistently on this site because of K rate and velocity.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 02:57 PM
I think he will be a very solid BOR starter.

His stuff may be major league average but his control and makeup are very good.

He hasn't pitched in a real game for about ten months, so there may be a break in period.

IMO he's undersold consistently on this site because of K rate and velocity.
I agree with all of this, I just think ideally he could use some more time in Louisville. Unfortunately, he and the Reds don't have the luxury.

'69
04-17-2016, 02:57 PM
"Ironman quote"

Maybe he has been. Maybe they watch each other make 1st pitch outs on the regular.

kaldaniels
04-17-2016, 03:01 PM
I think Moscot will be a very solid BOR starter.

His stuff may be major league average but his control and makeup are very good.

He hasn't pitched in a real game for about ten months, so there may be a break in period.

IMO he's undersold consistently on this site because of K rate and velocity.

Not a Moscot fan.

Just wondering, when you say BOR starter...can you give me a comp?

PXShaman
04-17-2016, 03:04 PM
Finally, someone on this pitching staff that isn't afraid to pump in strikes.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 03:06 PM
Not a Moscot fan.

Just wondering, when you say BOR starter...can you give me a comp?
Not that I think he'll reach the same career heights, but I think of a guy like Jon Garland.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 03:09 PM
And we're tied! Little League play from the Cards. I love it.

BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 03:09 PM
Thank you, Wacha. We'll take it.

malcontent
04-17-2016, 03:10 PM
Coaching staff can't believe how good he looks. (Bailey, not Day.)
Day could use a goatee. He also could stop dressing like a funeral director, though there's nothing intrinsically wrong with that.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 03:10 PM
waka waka waka

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 03:10 PM
Bruce's first career hit v Wacha.

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Mes RBI single! 3-2 Redlegs.

Big Klu
04-17-2016, 03:10 PM
Two batters for the Reds, two errors for the Cards.

BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 03:11 PM
Amazing what can happen when you go out and make consistent contact.

Gandalf the Red
04-17-2016, 03:11 PM
Either these teams switched uniforms between innings or I just woke up on the Bizzarro planet.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 03:11 PM
3-2 Redlegs on the Mesoraco single

Ironman92
04-17-2016, 03:11 PM
LEADING [emoji3][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]

BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 03:13 PM
That should be challenged. Tie to the runner at the very worst.

WrongVerb
04-17-2016, 03:13 PM
Did one of the announcers just say that doubles are better than homers?

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 03:13 PM
Did one of the announcers just say that doubles are better than homers?
Basically yes, it was a pretty dumb conversation.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 03:15 PM
That should be challenged. Tie to the runner at the very worst.
That's what I'm thinking, seems worth the challenge.

BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 03:16 PM
LOL. Amazing.

Get. Rid. Of. Replay.

kaldaniels
04-17-2016, 03:16 PM
That should be challenged. Tie to the runner at the very worst.

So close. But remember, technically a tie is an out. The runner must beat the ball.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 03:18 PM
Not that I think he'll reach the same career heights, but I think of a guy like Jon Garland.

Mike Leake has a lifetime 3.91 ERA with a 6.1 K rate and a 2.3 BB rate. And a 4.20 FIP.

I think Moscot can accomplish similar numbers if given the chance.

He would be helped by a good defensive infield, as Leake has been.

BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 03:18 PM
So close. But remember, technically a tie is an out. The runner must beat the ball.

If that's the case, I suppose it can be argued there's not enough to change the call. But he was certainly there a split-second before the ball was "in the back of the glove." (If that's the actual rule. I'm taking George and Chris's word for it.)

Red Raindog
04-17-2016, 03:18 PM
So close. But remember, technically a tie is an out. The runner must beat the ball.

I thought technically there are no ties --

=== looked it up

this from MLB - Tim McClelland (ump)

I am an umpire for Little League. The coach told me that ties go to the runner. I said the batter has to beat the throw to first because there are no such thing as ties. Who is right?
-- L.M.F.

McClelland: That is exactly right. There are no ties and there is no rule that says the tie goes to the runner. But the rule book does say that the runner must beat the ball to first base, and so if he doesn't beat the ball, then he is out. So you have to make the decision. That's why umpires are paid the money they are, to make the decision on if he did or if he didn't. The only thing you can do is go by whether or not he beat the ball. If he did, then he is safe.

Big Klu
04-17-2016, 03:19 PM
waka waka waka

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kaldaniels
04-17-2016, 03:20 PM
I thought technically there are no ties --

A ball can be caught and the runner can touch first at the exact same time.

It may be an old expression that "there are no ties" but it can physically happen. In which case, out.

JaxRed
04-17-2016, 03:20 PM
I thought technically there are no ties --

Then explain this picture

10626

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 03:21 PM
nice grab by Bruce

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 03:21 PM
Moscot is commanding his slurve well. 2 quick outs.

JaxRed
04-17-2016, 03:22 PM
Moscot has lowered his ERA from 13.50 after the double to 4.91 !!

Red Raindog
04-17-2016, 03:23 PM
Then explain this picture

10626

skinny ties --- yummmm

kaldaniels
04-17-2016, 03:23 PM
I thought technically there are no ties --

=== looked it up

this from MLB - Tim McClelland (ump)

I am an umpire for Little League. The coach told me that ties go to the runner. I said the batter has to beat the throw to first because there are no such thing as ties. Who is right?
-- L.M.F.

McClelland: That is exactly right. There are no ties and there is no rule that says the tie goes to the runner. But the rule book does say that the runner must beat the ball to first base, and so if he doesn't beat the ball, then he is out. So you have to make the decision. That's why umpires are paid the money they are, to make the decision on if he did or if he didn't. The only thing you can do is go by whether or not he beat the ball. If he did, then he is safe.

Exactly. "No ties" is an old umpire expression. (Some might say excuse)

The rulebook says nothing of the sort. Only that a runner must beat the ball.

Red Raindog
04-17-2016, 03:24 PM
A ball can be caught and the runner can touch first at the exact same time.

It may be an old expression that "there are no ties" but it can physically happen. In which case, out.

hence the "technically"

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 03:25 PM
George pretty excited about the Cardinals backup catcher having 2 hits.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 03:26 PM
George pretty excited about the Cardinals backup catcher having 2 hits.

Eric Fryer is your NL batting average leader at 1.000. (Oh, 5 ABs isn't enough to qualify?)

BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 03:26 PM
skinny ties --- yummmm

10627

PXShaman
04-17-2016, 03:27 PM
14 pitch 4th for Moscot
He is looking comfortable on that mound. First time all season I don't need to hold my breath for a pitcher.

Wonderful Monds
04-17-2016, 03:27 PM
Then explain this picture

10626


False flag operation courtesy of BIG TIE

kaldaniels
04-17-2016, 03:27 PM
hence the "technically"

You are confusing me dude. If a ball and the runner arrive at the exact same time, for all intents and purposes we can call that a "tie", (just as if two sprinters hit the tape at the exact same instant), the runner is out. That's all I am saying.

Curmudgeon Tim McClelland may say there are no ties, but it can happen.

Red Raindog
04-17-2016, 03:29 PM
You are confusing me dude. If a ball and the runner arrive at the exact same time, for all intents and purposes we can call that a "tie", (just as if two sprinters hit the tape at the exact same instant), the runner is out. That's all I am saying.

Curmudgeon Tim McClelland may say there are no ties, but it can happen.

yes there obviously can be a physical tie but then you are out

Red Raindog
04-17-2016, 03:31 PM
10627

pass on the bow tie

BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 03:31 PM
Cozart keeps on keepin' on.

RedsfaninMT
04-17-2016, 03:32 PM
Cozart keeps on keepin' on.

Gotta love a .500 AVG at this point of the season.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 03:32 PM
Cozart always could make contact, but seemed off balance so often.

His balance seems so much better, the contact solid, although that time a bloop.

Terrific improvement, great to see, hope it lasts.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 03:32 PM
I'm a few beers deep and if you don't believe in the new Cozart Revolution you can get the hell out of my face.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 03:33 PM
Gotta love a .500 AVG at this point of the season.

Not too bad.

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I'm a few beers deep and if you don't believe in the new Cozart Revolution you can get the hell out of my face.

Haha!

:beerme:

kaldaniels
04-17-2016, 03:35 PM
I'm a few beers deep and if you don't believe in the new Cozart Revolution you can get the hell out of my face.

I mean I'm a reasonable guy but the hot take that Cozart should be benched bewilders me.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 03:36 PM
Cozart always could make contact, but seemed off balance so often.

His balance seems so much better, the contact solid, although that time a bloop.

Terrific improvement, great to see, hope it lasts.

Reds are in rebuilding mode as you know as well as anyone. So, give me your opinion on this: Cozart continues to hit well (not .500 well, but well). Do you try and deal him at the deadline? Is he your SS of the future if he's willing to sign for the right price? I say trade him because I think it's a mirage, but this is two years now where Cozart has looked like a different hitter (small sample size though due to his injury last year and the fact we're just in April of this year).

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 03:37 PM
I mean I'm a reasonable guy but the hot take that Cozart should be benched bewilders me.

He didn't say benched though. Just anyone who doesn't believe Cozart is entering Tulo territory can get out of Servo's face. The revolution is real. (Wait, Tulo sucks this year. Nevermind.)

OGB
04-17-2016, 03:38 PM
I don't get where this Cozart offense is coming from, but if he's hitting close to a 275/330/450 slash in early July, think of the return he might bring.
Well, I can dream at least.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 03:39 PM
I mean I'm a reasonable guy but the hot take that Cozart should be benched bewilders me.
Yeah I mean I've been one of his biggest detractors when it comes to his offense but he did hit well last year and he's off to a scorching start this year. There's no reason to take him out the the lineup now.

I'm also coming around to belief that he's made adjustment like fellow former all-glove, no hit SS Brandon Crawford that has turned him into at least a decent hitter, which combined with his defense makes him a very strong well-rounded player.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 03:40 PM
Moscot does a nice job throwing that slurve ... and then coming back with the fastball.

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Welp. Carpenter crushed that one.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 03:41 PM
3-3 game

That looked like a case where Moscot got behind and didn't want to walk Carpenter, so he just threw it over the middle.

JaxRed
04-17-2016, 03:41 PM
Moscot has lowered his ERA from 13.50 after the double to 4.91 !!

Oops.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 03:42 PM
One down. Piss-Scotty grounds out.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 03:43 PM
2-0? Moscot throws the slurve. For a strike. Clearly his go-to pitch. Then comes back with it on 2-1!

Kc61
04-17-2016, 03:44 PM
Reds are in rebuilding mode as you know as well as anyone. So, give me your opinion on this: Cozart continues to hit well (not .500 well, but well). Do you try and deal him at the deadline? Is he your SS of the future if he's willing to sign for the right price? I say trade him because I think it's a mirage, but this is two years now where Cozart has looked like a different hitter (small sample size though due to his injury last year and the fact we're just in April of this year).

Cozart is signed up for this year and next.

I'm a little concerned about trading him. Suarez is shaky defensively and Cozart's glove helps the kid pitchers.

If the Reds truly feel Peraza can handle short then maybe, but I'd go slow on trading Cozart for this reason, defense.

On the other hand, given his contract status, I'd probably try to take advantage of Bruce's good year (so far) and see who he would bring in a trade. I'd trade him if offered a good package.

Chuckie
04-17-2016, 03:47 PM
Cozart is signed up for this year and next.

I'm a little concerned about trading him. Suarez is shaky defensively and Cozart's glove helps the kid pitchers.

If the Reds truly feel Peraza can handle short then maybe, but I'd go slow on trading Cozart for this reason.

On the other hand, given his contract status, I'd probably try to take advantage of Bruce's good year (so far) and see who he would bring in a trade.

You didn't answer my question. Do you try and deal him or not? He's going to be 31 in August and 2017 will be his final year of arbitration. Free agent the offseason before 2018. Now is the time to deal him, IMO.

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Nice work Moscot. Going to the top of the 6th tied at 3.

ukredleg
04-17-2016, 03:47 PM
Cardinals fans doing the Mexican wave. As if I didn't hate them enough already.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 03:47 PM
Would be great if he could go one more, but I'd be fine if this is it for Moscot. He's done well.

JaxRed
04-17-2016, 03:48 PM
I say trade him. And if he stays hot and you get a good offer, trade him earlier. He's not the future.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 03:50 PM
You didn't answer my question. Do you try and deal him or not? He's going to be 31 in August and 2017 will be his final year of arbitration. Free agent the offseason before 2018. Now is the time to deal him, IMO.

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Nice work Moscot. Going to the top of the 6th tied at 3.

I thought I answered. I would be reluctant to trade Cozart, and would not shop him for the reasons I gave.

If a great offer came, I'd trade anybody.

The Reds lead the NL in errors so far. I think the stability Cozart brings defensively at a key position is important in rebuilding. I feel the same way about Hamilton's defense.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 03:52 PM
Bruce jobbed on strike 3 call

Chris pointing out something I've noticed, which is Wacha's decreased velocity.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 03:56 PM
Moscot at 87 pitches through five. Price said 90-100 for him today.

This is his last inning, I wouldn't push him if he gets into trouble.

membengal
04-17-2016, 03:58 PM
Bruce jobbed on strike 3 call

Chris pointing out something I've noticed, which is Wacha's decreased velocity.

From when? I saw a 96 that inning.

BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 04:01 PM
I'm in the Twilight Zone today re: instant replay.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 04:03 PM
From when? I saw a 96 that inning.
In my defense, I did say I was a few beers deep. I saw a lot of low 90s but apparently that was just the cutter.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 04:03 PM
Moscot still throwing well, but I think this should be his last hitter. Wood in the pen.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 04:05 PM
Good work Moscot, that HBP to Garcia was weak.

PXShaman
04-17-2016, 04:05 PM
Welcome back Moscot, great pitched game.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 04:07 PM
This is an exciting part of the game, wonder if the Reds announcers will stop discussing the Cards catcher Fryer and discuss instead the game situation.

malcontent
04-17-2016, 04:08 PM
Reds need a second LH reliever.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 04:09 PM
Line drive to Cozart end the threat. 3-3 after 6.

757690
04-17-2016, 04:10 PM
Someone asked what a #5 starter looks like. We just saw it. 5.2 innings, 3 runs.

Ron Madden
04-17-2016, 04:11 PM
Reds need a second LH reliever.


Lamb???

PXShaman
04-17-2016, 04:12 PM
Someone asked what a #5 starter looks like. We just saw it. 5.2 innings, 3 runs.

I can see him being a consistant 6/7 IP per game pitcher. Those contact pitchers though do get rocked sometimes at GAbP.
I think he will lead IP this year for the Reds.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 04:14 PM
Someone asked what a #5 starter looks like. We just saw it. 5.2 innings, 3 runs.

Not disagreeing, but 5.2 innings is about average for a major league start these days. So that part of the equation is better than fifth starter material.

I agree with the previous post that Moscot could easily pitch longer stints.

He also could get knocked around occasionally.

I see Mike Leake in this guy.

LeDoux
04-17-2016, 04:18 PM
Line on Moscot: 5.2IP 6H 3R 3ER 1BB 2K

Compared to recent pitching performances this seems like Cy Young level.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 04:21 PM
Ohlendorf hasn't pitched much lately. Wonder if he'll get the call.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 04:21 PM
Have to figure the Cardinals will win this battle of the bullpens, but oh well.

Rantly
04-17-2016, 04:21 PM
Has Siegrist ever not got the job done when he comes in...against the Reds?

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 04:24 PM
Ohlendorf hasn't pitched much lately. Wonder if he'll get the call.
Cingrani in. I thought maybe Ohlendorf was being saved for long duty today in case Moscot got bombed, now I'm wondering if he's maybe unavailable. He is probably the de facto longman at the moment with Straily to the rotation seemingly imminent.

malcontent
04-17-2016, 04:25 PM
Lamb???
Could be. Since Finnegan seems to be establishing himself in the rotation, that removes him as a possibility.

I'd actually be surprised if they make Lamb a reliever, he's always been a starter and has a starter's repertoire.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 04:26 PM
Cingrani in. I thought maybe Ohlendorf was being saved for long duty today in case Moscot got bombed, now I'm wondering if he's maybe unavailable. He is probably the de facto longman at the moment with Straily to the rotation seemingly imminent.

Hope he's not hurt. Unusual for Ohlendorf to not pitch for a few days given all the bullpen needs.

Cingrani with a walk, I can't blame him too much, several very close pitches. Has to bear down now.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 04:28 PM
Could be. Since Finnegan seems to be establishing himself in the rotation, that removes him as a possibility.

I'd actually be surprised if they make Lamb a reliever, he's always been a starter and has a starter's repertoire.

I agree that it's unlikely. I'd put Lamb in the bullpen in a heartbeat. I think he could be a good late innings man, but has trouble going deep in games as a starter.

For another discussion on a slow, off day sometime.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 04:30 PM
Nice work Tony C

Ron Madden
04-17-2016, 04:31 PM
Good Job Tony C. !!!

BCubb2003
04-17-2016, 04:31 PM
Breaking: Walk fails to haunt

Ron Madden
04-17-2016, 04:40 PM
I remember when Phillips used to kill LH Pitching.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 04:41 PM
I hate Seacrest.

Raisor
04-17-2016, 04:45 PM
@joeynotto goes too far. Just told me to drown my cat.

Enough is enough

Bourgeois Zee
04-17-2016, 04:49 PM
Ohlendorf becomes set-up man?

Makes sense with that 95 mph heater he suddenly owns.

Nice play by Cozart.

BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 04:51 PM
Whoever worked on Cozart's knee deserves a medal.

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They haunt.

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 04:51 PM
I hate Eric Fryer. And George Grande's love for him.

Cards take the lead on his RBI double.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 04:53 PM
Not that it was catchable, but this Schebler in CF decision is strictly a rebuild trial and error thing.

Would have rather had Billy H chasing down that gapper by the great Eric Fryer.

Kc61
04-17-2016, 04:54 PM
If Reds lose 5 of 6 on this road trip, the big loss was the first game, the Finnegan no-hit bid. That was the one they should have had. Oh well, rebuilding year.

BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 04:54 PM
STL will find a thousand ways to win series against visiting Reds. This time its by making no-name dudes Garcia and Freyer unretirable.

40YrRedsFan
04-17-2016, 04:55 PM
I hate Eric Fryer. And George Grande's love for him.

Cards take the lead on his RBI double. Walks again will doom the Reds. Reds are the only team averaging more than 5 walks per 9 innings.

40YrRedsFan
04-17-2016, 05:01 PM
Reds bullpen does it again.

Powder River
04-17-2016, 05:02 PM
Yeah, I know we're rebuilding.... Not supposed to do much this year - Whatever..... I just get so sick of loosing to the Cardinals sometimes. Can't this Reds team pull it together for two out of three.... Ever?!?!?!?

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 05:03 PM
Reds bullpen does it again.
I mean, hard to fault them too much here. 3-3 bullpen game after 6, I don't think the result was much in doubt.

BenHayes
04-17-2016, 05:05 PM
Today was Ohlendorf's day to blow it. Still a 6 and 6 start but with 4 coming up against Chicago this week .500 might be a short lived luxury!

malcontent
04-17-2016, 05:05 PM
Not that it was catchable, but this Schebler in CF decision is strictly a rebuild trial and error thing.

Would have rather had Billy H chasing down that gapper by the great Eric Fryer.
I'm surprised Price didn't double-switch him in at some point.

LeDoux
04-17-2016, 05:06 PM
I mean, hard to fault them too much here. 3-3 bullpen game after 6, I don't think the result was much in doubt.

No, but I want that doubt to return. I am am not asking for the return of the Nasty Boys. Just make it competitive.

That being said, I actually feel better about the bullpen now than I did before the game. Yeah, they blew the lead. But it wasn't a series of successive meltdowns. Progress!

Tom Servo
04-17-2016, 05:08 PM
No, but I want that doubt to return. I am am not asking for the return of the Nasty Boys. Just make it competitive.

That being said, I actually feel better about the bullpen now than I did before the game. Yeah, they blew the lead. But it wasn't a series of successive meltdowns. Progress!
Didn't Moscot blow the lead?

Red Raindog
04-17-2016, 05:13 PM
Walks again will doom the Reds. Reds are the only team averaging more than 5 walks per 9 innings.

just think how bad those numbers would be if Price hadn't laid down the law about not tolerating walks

LeDoux
04-17-2016, 05:13 PM
Didn't Moscot blow the lead?

Yes, I guess I meant "gave the lead." But please don't mention starter issues in the same post as the bullpen. I lack the emotionally capacity have multiple Reds shortcomings in my mind at once. I can only survive a "rebuild" by a labyrinth of self delusion(s.)

BluegrassRedleg
04-17-2016, 05:14 PM
just think how bad those numbers would be if Price hadn't laid down the law about not tolerating walks

:p

Raisor
04-17-2016, 05:16 PM
I'm starting to think that some of you are unable to emotionally handle a rebuild.

757690
04-17-2016, 06:04 PM
Not that it was catchable, but this Schebler in CF decision is strictly a rebuild trial and error thing.

Would have rather had Billy H chasing down that gapper by the great Eric Fryer.

Not to mention that Hamilton's OPS at the start of the game was higher than Schebler's.

Mutaman
04-17-2016, 06:06 PM
I'm starting to think that some of you are unable to emotionally handle a rebuild.

Done it before and can do it again. Incompetence? Have always had a hard time handling that.

Larry Schuler
04-17-2016, 06:59 PM
I can live with a rebuild. But losing? Unforgivable.

757690
04-17-2016, 07:25 PM
I'm starting to think that some of you are unable to emotionally handle a rebuild.

The problem many are having, understandably, is that this team looks much better than anticipated. Outside of the pen, this team looks like a contender. So, it doesn't feel like a rebuilding year, or like it shouldn't be a rebuilding year.

westofyou
04-17-2016, 07:30 PM
The problem many are having, understandably, is that this team looks much better than anticipated. Outside of the pen, this team looks like a contender. So, it doesn't feel like a rebuilding year, or like it shouldn't be a rebuilding year.

Contender?

They haven't played 1/10th of the season yet.

Small sample size still applies

757690
04-17-2016, 07:46 PM
Contender?

They haven't played 1/10th of the season yet.

Small sample size still applies

It's not about the record or stats. It's about the talent.

westofyou
04-17-2016, 07:54 PM
It's not about the record or stats. It's about the talent.

This is baseball, in the long run stats and the record are what measures talent

Chip R
04-17-2016, 08:25 PM
Done it before and can do it again. Incompetence? Have always had a hard time handling that.

Unfortunately you're going to see a lot of that during this rebuild.

757690
04-17-2016, 09:49 PM
This is baseball, in the long run stats and the record are what measures talent

All good points, I agree. But it looks like the team is better than a rebuilding team. Time will tell what they really are, but for now, it's harder to deal with the losses, because the team looks pretty good. If this were the Braves. Twins or Phillies, it would be easier to accept.

CWRed
04-18-2016, 02:59 AM
It's not about the record or stats. It's about the talent.

Can we stop with the cliche, "It's not about the, it's about the..." Then we might actually talk about what is wrong with the club. The bullpen mostly.

RedsBrick
04-18-2016, 07:38 AM
Can we stop with the cliche, "It's not about the, it's about the..." Then we might actually talk about what is wrong with the club. The bullpen mostly.

Pen has been pretty bad. It would also be helpful if the starters could go deeper than 5 innings.