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Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 02:13 PM
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androosh
04-22-2016, 02:34 PM
For use later since we may need it...

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Big Klu
04-22-2016, 02:38 PM
Probably end up being another no-hitter. :(

RedTeamGo!
04-22-2016, 03:07 PM
Votto needs at least one hit tonight. I bet he is getting all up in his own head right now.

Ron Madden
04-22-2016, 03:57 PM
Probably end up being another no-hitter. :(

Oh Yee Of little Faith

Big Klu
04-22-2016, 04:01 PM
Oh Yee Of little Faith

They broke me last night. :(

malcontent
04-22-2016, 04:10 PM
Votto needs at least one hit tonight. I bet he is getting all up in his own head right now.
I'm afraid pitchers have a new plan of attack with Votto: bust him inside, rinse, repeat.

Why would anyone ever try anything else with him? He's always done most of his damage on anything middle/out.

JMO, and I'm not saying he can't make the adjustment.

NebraskaRed
04-22-2016, 04:44 PM
They will get a hit in the first inning.

"They" can refer to either the Cubs or the Reds.

lollipopcurve
04-22-2016, 05:02 PM
A little cocky after my "how many hits off Arrieta?" over/under yesterday....

Over/Under 5 how many innings does Moscot go?

Taking the over.

REDREAD
04-22-2016, 06:12 PM
I'm afraid pitchers have a new plan of attack with Votto: bust him inside, rinse, repeat.

Why would anyone ever try anything else with him? He's always done most of his damage on anything middle/out.

JMO, and I'm not saying he can't make the adjustment.

I agree. This is not a criticism on Votto, but from my amateur scouting point of view, he seems to take a lot of inside strikes.
If I was a pitcher, that's how I would pitch him (again, not claiming to be a genius or anything)
I'm sure Votto will be fine in the long run, not worried at all.


A little cocky after my "how many hits off Arrieta?" over/under yesterday....

Over/Under 5 how many innings does Moscot go?

Taking the over.

Under, but I hope I'm wrong.

Ron Madden
04-22-2016, 07:33 PM
Hopefully the Reds can get plenty of guys on base tonight and are able to run on Lester.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 07:34 PM
The Cubs are all hitted out from last night, and the Reds bats will "normalize" leading to a victory for the good guys.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

RiverRat13
04-22-2016, 08:19 PM
Moscot not exactly foolin' them thus far.

Red Raindog
04-22-2016, 08:21 PM
A little cocky after my "how many hits off Arrieta?" over/under yesterday....

Over/Under 5 how many innings does Moscot go?

Taking the over.

20+ pitches and still in the first --- under looks good

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 08:22 PM
Moscot with 2 walks in the inning, he only walked one in his first start. Falling behind everyone. Not a good sign.

Big Klu
04-22-2016, 08:22 PM
The Cubs are all hitted out from last night, and the Reds bats will "normalize" leading to a victory for the good guys.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

The Reds are 8-8, but have been outscored by 32 runs through 16 games. If anything normalizes, it will be the win-loss record.

OnBaseMachine
04-22-2016, 08:22 PM
Moscot doesn't have enough stuff to make Cubs hitters chase. This could get ugly again unless Moscot can win the BABIP battle.

_Sir_Charles_
04-22-2016, 08:29 PM
Ferrari drives one to left

Red Raindog
04-22-2016, 08:29 PM
The Schneid has died - Votto gets a hit

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 08:29 PM
Votto breaks the 0-fer with a little check swing single to beat the shift.

BernieCarbo
04-22-2016, 08:33 PM
Just noticed that Cozart has a higher batting average than OBP. I know it's early, but that is hard to do even this far into the season (I think).

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 08:34 PM
The Reds are 8-8, but have been outscored by 32 runs through 16 games. If anything normalizes, it will be the win-loss record.

Lol you're right. But you're still Buzz Killington!

membengal
04-22-2016, 08:35 PM
Moscot not really one for keeping runners close i guess.


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Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 08:38 PM
Walk Ross? Pitch to Lester?

Price says no.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 08:39 PM
Moscot throwing 1st pitch balls to everybody.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 08:40 PM
Nice catch by Jay, no chance to throw out Baez. 1-0 Cubs.

Red Raindog
04-22-2016, 08:41 PM
what sliding school did Baez attend?

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 08:41 PM
lol Baez slid into home like a total jamoke

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 08:43 PM
Is Billy hurt? Because he's crushed Lester.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 08:46 PM
Is Billy hurt? Because he's crushed Lester.
Yeah he hurt his hand robbing that HR against the Cardinals and reaggravated against the Rockies in Iglesias' start. He is supposed to be available to pinch run however.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 08:49 PM
If you could stop talking about the Cubs non-stop tHom? That'd be great.

_Sir_Charles_
04-22-2016, 08:50 PM
If you could stop talking about the Cubs non-stop tHom? That'd be great.

Or just stop talking altogether. Tracy...MUTE is your friend. :O)

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 08:52 PM
Or just stop talking altogether. Tracy...MUTE is your friend. :O)

Lol nah. Doesn't bother to that extent. Just weird how he fellates the Cubs every telecast. You'd think he works for them again.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 08:54 PM
Nice grab by Duvall.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 08:54 PM
Remember when the Reds won 18 or 19 in a row at Wrigley not too long ago?

Seems like a lifetime ago.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 08:56 PM
Nice inning by Moscot

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 08:56 PM
Remember when the Reds won 18 or 19 in a row at Wrigley not too long ago?

Seems like a lifetime ago.
I remember even on days where the Reds looks dull and lifeless the Cubs would start kicking the ball around and allow the Reds the win.

OnBaseMachine
04-22-2016, 08:57 PM
Adam Duvall has been better than advertised defensively in left field so far.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 08:58 PM
I remember even on days where the Reds looks dull and lifeless the Cubs would start kicking the ball around and allow the Reds the win.

Yep. Cubs gonna Cub. Probably gonna have to wait until October to pull that classic back out unfortunately.

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:04 PM
Just steal third. What the hell is Holt waiting for?

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Lester has the yips, but Holt won't steal third?

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Absolutely awful AB from Cozart. And Holt still hasn't moved.

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Adam Duvall has been better than advertised defensively in left field so far.

Much, much better.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:06 PM
Crap

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:06 PM
Suarez hasn't done anything since the first week. My goodness.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 09:07 PM
Suarez hasn't done anything since the first week. My goodness.
It's only been two weeks though lol.

OnBaseMachine
04-22-2016, 09:07 PM
Suarez grounds out on a 3-0 count with Votto on deck.

Reds Fanatic
04-22-2016, 09:09 PM
Rizzo homers to right on the first pitch

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:09 PM
It's only been two weeks though lol.

This is the third week. So, he's been outstanding for one week, bad for two.

I'm a huge Geno fan, BTW. Just pointing out a fact.

2-0 Cubs. This one is over, probably.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:09 PM
Crap x2

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:10 PM
These inbred Cub fans taking over our stadium makes me almost as angry as the product we're putting on the field this year.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:10 PM
If the Reds could just eliminate the walks and homers....

Sorry. I got nothing.

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:11 PM
Thom makes a good point. When is the last time a Reds' pitcher dusted off a Cubs' batter with an inside pitch?

These fools have scored 18 runs to our zero over the last 13 innings ... and our pitchers still are afraid to pitch inside. So weak.

PS: Moscot will never be a good MLB pitcher IMO. Everything about him is average or below-average.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 09:12 PM
Three walks by Moscot so far. That's not good, young man.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:13 PM
Rainout? Please?

membengal
04-22-2016, 09:13 PM
Three walks by Moscot so far. That's not good, young man.

Arrieta walked four last night, maybe he's trying to match that part of his line?

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:14 PM
LOL! Welsh is fascinated that the pitching matchup features two guys named "Jonathan."

Yes, that is such a rare name, Chris!

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:14 PM
Three walks by Moscot so far. That's not good, young man.

Seems like a disease that's infected everyone on the staff....minus Iglesias. So frustrating to watch.

Red Raindog
04-22-2016, 09:15 PM
Three walks by Moscot so far. That's not good, young man.

think how bad it would be if not for the mantra -- "walks will not be tolerated"

membengal
04-22-2016, 09:15 PM
Lamb had a night in Louisville that was kinda catastrophic .


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Tony Cloninger
04-22-2016, 09:16 PM
Thom makes a good point. When is the last time a Reds' pitcher dusted off a Cubs' batter with an inside pitch?

These fools have scored 18 runs to our zero over the last 13 innings ... and our pitchers still are afraid to pitch inside. So weak.

PS: Moscot will never be a good MLB pitcher IMO. Everything about him is average or below-average.


I agree except Moscot can't afford to waste pitches and does not have good enough stuff to make it work.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 09:16 PM
Lamb had a night in Louisville that was kinda catastrophic .


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Roasted Lamb

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:16 PM
Lamb had a night in Louisville that was kinda catastrophic .


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So, they'll probably call him up ASAP. Moscot's lone start for the Bats was also a disaster. No matter. Let's call him up!

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:18 PM
think how bad it would be if not for the mantra -- "walks will not be tolerated"

If that mantra were to be put into practice, they'd have like a 2 man pitching staff.

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:18 PM
Not only is Moscot bad, he takes forever between pitches. Double whammy.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 09:19 PM
Not only is Moscot bad, he takes forever between pitches. Double whammy.
Typically a fast worker, I think it's the weather.

membengal
04-22-2016, 09:21 PM
Bad. Bad. So bad.


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Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:21 PM
Bad News Reds.

We seriously look like a rookie ball team.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 09:21 PM
Reds gonna Red

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:21 PM
Moscot is horrible when the ball is hit to him. He panics. And bad play by Votto too.

PXShaman
04-22-2016, 09:22 PM
Not only is Moscot bad, he takes forever between pitches. Double whammy.

He is doing fine.
Votto caught thinking of his next Ab

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 09:22 PM
Can we just forfeit these games against the Cubs?

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:22 PM
LOL


http://youtu.be/MK6TXMsvgQg

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:22 PM
I think I'm about ready to start rooting for the best draft pick possible for 2017. It worked last season. This team is a disaster.

membengal
04-22-2016, 09:23 PM
Thom is gonna orgasm


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Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 09:24 PM
Cubs are teabagging us.

Red Raindog
04-22-2016, 09:24 PM
reminds me of a cat playing with an exhausted mouse

membengal
04-22-2016, 09:25 PM
Can we just forfeit these games against the Cubs?

We effectively are.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:26 PM
Good lord. Surprised that ball didn't carry Phillips into the RF seats

Tony Cloninger
04-22-2016, 09:27 PM
Someone has to be the Cubs punching bag where nothing goes right. You had to see the 2nd squeeze bunt coming.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:28 PM
I wouldn't get too down about those successful squeezes. They probably did us a favor

Tony Cloninger
04-22-2016, 09:30 PM
I wouldn't get too down about those successful squeezes. They probably did us a favor

They got Thom real excited so that's a positive. BOY...THAT....IS...HOW YOU GET IT DONE. I wish I could take him on my dates.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 09:31 PM
I honesly can't remember the last time Joey hit a line drive to the outfield :/

UPRedsFan
04-22-2016, 09:32 PM
Why is this game blacked out for me in North Dakota??? Is it on WGN or ESPN or something?

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:32 PM
They got Thom real excited so that's a positive. BOY...THAT....IS...HOW YOU GET IT DONE. I wish I could take him on my dates.

I think he actually works for the Cubs again. If you landed here from Mars, tuned into the game and had no idea who tHom Brennaman was, you'd have to draw that conclusion.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:34 PM
I loved the cobra.

PXShaman
04-22-2016, 09:35 PM
Great pitch for first out by Moscot.

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:38 PM
Has Moscot backed anyone off the plate yet? Reds are down 20-0 in this series and we're still not pitching inside? So weak.

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:39 PM
Why is this game blacked out for me in North Dakota??? Is it on WGN or ESPN or something?

That's probably considered Cubs country. Wait, wouldn't it be Twins country if anything?

PXShaman
04-22-2016, 09:39 PM
Has Moscot backed anyone off the plate yet? Reds are down 20-0 in this series and we're still not pitching inside? So weak.

He has gotten 2 fowl balls from pitching inside this inning so far. The week groundout for 2nd out was also an inside pitch.

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 09:41 PM
Rizzo trying to steal, up 4-0? Back-to-back squeeze bunts? 16 runs last night?

Someone needs plunked.

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He has gotten 2 fowl balls from pitching inside this inning so far. The week groundout for 2nd out was also an inside pitch.

No, where a batter needs to dust himself off. Has that happened at all tonight?

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:46 PM
What was that? That thing that Bruce just did?

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 09:47 PM
In the "At least we aren't them" file, I turned on Rockies/Dodgers to see Rox prospect Jon Gray make his 2016 debut. Utley triple, Seager HR. Imagine the Reds pitchers in Coors Field! :eek:

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:54 PM
This is painful

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 09:55 PM
At least Holt doesn't have David Ross speed

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 09:55 PM
Shut up tHom.

The Cubs are good. I get it.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 10:01 PM
A valiant effort by the Fight Doctor, but nothing doing.

Big Klu
04-22-2016, 10:03 PM
J.C. Ramirez making his Reds debut, rocking the #66 made famous by Phil Norton and Logan Ondrusek.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 10:04 PM
Ramirez can't be any worse in his debut than Drew Hayes last night, right?


Right?

757690
04-22-2016, 10:04 PM
J.C. Ramirez making his Reds debut, rocking the #66 made famous by Phil Norton and Logan Ondrusek.

Logged in just to read this post. :thumbup:

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 10:05 PM
Leadoff walk by Ramirez. And the beat goes on.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 10:06 PM
Ramirez can't be any worse in his debut than Drew Hayes last night, right?


Right?

A leadoff walk. He's fitting right in.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 10:08 PM
This guy does have a good arm at least.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 10:11 PM
Looked like Ross swung at ball 4. Not a bad debut by Ramirez, just throw more strikes for the love of god.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 10:12 PM
Hmmm...

Throws hard.

Only one walk.

No homers allowed.

I think we found our new closer!

757690
04-22-2016, 10:12 PM
New Release:

After watching JC Ramirez pitch a scoreless inning in his Reds debut, Walt Jocketty signs him to a 3 year extension and names him closer.

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 10:14 PM
Holy crap. We scored!

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 10:15 PM
Zack Zack the home run hitting maniac

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 10:15 PM
Cozart! :jump:

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 10:15 PM
Again, you can get out of Servo's face if you don't believe in the Cozart Revolution.

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 10:16 PM
Suarez needed that. A bloop single. Let's go!

Tony Cloninger
04-22-2016, 10:17 PM
Finally some life.

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 10:18 PM
Man, Votto doesn't look right at all.

PXShaman
04-22-2016, 10:18 PM
Votto didn't need that.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 10:18 PM
Pinto

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 10:18 PM
ugh

Tony Cloninger
04-22-2016, 10:18 PM
Is Joey trying to get a new scouting report written about him?

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 10:19 PM
Dat Dude Bad AB.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 10:20 PM
I'm almost afraid to keep checking Votto's line, he might not even make it to a .600 OPS for April.

malcontent
04-22-2016, 10:20 PM
Man, Votto doesn't look right at all.
In what way, Chuckie?

It's OK. No one in particular can hear us.

Big Klu
04-22-2016, 10:22 PM
Waldo in the house.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 10:24 PM
If Ramirez can harness that fastball and slider combo, a big 'if', of course, he could be effective.

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 10:24 PM
In what way, Chuckie?

It's OK. No one in particular can hear us.

Just looks like he's pressing. Not the same dude we're used to seeing. Doesn't look confident at all.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 10:29 PM
Mesoraco: not good

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 10:30 PM
Man, I was wrong about Mesoraco. He has flat out sucked so far this year. I thought he would rake.

malcontent
04-22-2016, 10:30 PM
Redlegs better kick it in if they intend to take this series.

I expect we'll learn 3-4 months down the line that Rocco hasn't felt good all season.

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 10:36 PM
J.C. Ramirez ... Su-per-star!

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 10:41 PM
Phil Mickelson look-alike Bryan Price with a good challenge there.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 10:42 PM
JC Ramirez for Reds Opening Day Starter 2017

Chuckie
04-22-2016, 10:45 PM
I've jumped off the Schebler bandwagon. He appears to be not good to me.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 10:48 PM
I've jumped off the Schebler bandwagon. He appears to be not good to me.
You are a cruel mistress Chuckie.

I think he could use regular ABs in Louisville.

Tony Cloninger
04-22-2016, 10:49 PM
Great to see a reliever not only allow 0 runs but barely have to break a sweat.

Big Klu
04-22-2016, 10:50 PM
Hey, it's OK. He can still lower his ERA!

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 10:51 PM
lmao Hoover is SO bad.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 10:51 PM
Those aren't boos. They're saying Hoooov

Tony Cloninger
04-22-2016, 10:53 PM
Hoover's ERA is now what in April? The size of the Greek debt?

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 10:53 PM
Honestly, how do you give up 4 HRs in April as a reliever and keep a job?

membengal
04-22-2016, 10:54 PM
Hoover is just swell


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tomnuetten
04-22-2016, 10:56 PM
just turned the game on... how many runs are on hoover?

edit: ok only one..

malcontent
04-22-2016, 10:56 PM
Price: "He (Hoover) needs to get himself on a roll and start to pitch the way we've seen almost the entire 2015 season. Because I want him to be our closer -- badly."

Why, exactly?

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 10:58 PM
Price: "He (Hoover) needs to get himself on a roll and start to pitch the way we've seen almost the entire 2015 season. Because I want him to be our closer -- badly."

Why, exactly?

Are you familiar with the rest of the roster?

tomnuetten
04-22-2016, 10:58 PM
Price: "He (Hoover) needs to get himself on a roll and start to pitch the way we've seen almost the entire 2015 season. Because I want him to be our closer -- badly."

Why, exactly?

perhaps he should close some games in louisville? :evil:

Red Raindog
04-22-2016, 10:58 PM
Hoover's ERA is now what in April? The size of the Greek debt?

15.00 era

wow

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 10:59 PM
15.00 era

wow

You need to edit that

Red Raindog
04-22-2016, 11:00 PM
just turned the game on... how many runs are on hoover?

edit: ok only one..

eeeeerp -- spoke too soon

Big Klu
04-22-2016, 11:00 PM
You know, when you have a 15.19 ERA entering the game, it's hard to raise your ERA.

But Hoover found a way.

tomnuetten
04-22-2016, 11:01 PM
eeeeerp -- spoke too soon

ok I blame myself for this run... I jinxed him... this run was on me and the next one aswell...

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 11:01 PM
Hoover is done bruh. I warned ye about the FIP and HR/9 rates.

Red Raindog
04-22-2016, 11:01 PM
You need to edit that

16.50

can't keep up

19.50

membengal
04-22-2016, 11:02 PM
Screw you price - and Walt - end this charade.


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Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 11:02 PM
Lol tHom..."enough already"

tomnuetten
04-22-2016, 11:02 PM
ok I get it I jinxed him... if that is even possible

membengal
04-22-2016, 11:03 PM
Few things piss me off more than when this team makes a really bad pitcher a pet project.


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Big Klu
04-22-2016, 11:05 PM
I look for a phantom DL stint for Hoover.

membengal
04-22-2016, 11:06 PM
Seven different Cubs have an RBI tonight.


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GADawg
04-22-2016, 11:06 PM
my favorite line of the night goes to Welsh while speaking on tonights success of Ramirez...."this staff, bullpen is one where you can quickly climb the totem pole".....ya think?!

westofyou
04-22-2016, 11:06 PM
I look for a phantom DL stint for Hoover.

JJ Hoffa

Tony Cloninger
04-22-2016, 11:06 PM
When Thom is scolding Cubs fans for their behavior then you know things are a mess. Hoover needed to back someone off the plate himself. Price from what I have seen since he became the PC......has never been an advocate of pitching inside.

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 11:07 PM
I look for a phantom DL stint for Hoover.

Not sure about that. He may be gone. Like....gone.

Gregg wasn't this bad

CWRed
04-22-2016, 11:07 PM
That was hard to watch. Not even mad at Hoover any more. He looked about to cry. Price should be ashamed of himself for allowing this to continue to go on that long.

Crumbley
04-22-2016, 11:08 PM
This has to be the end of this dude's Reds career. Throw us a bone.

Tony Cloninger
04-22-2016, 11:09 PM
15.00 era

wow


And I was talking for his career too not just this year. It is horrible.

Ron Madden
04-22-2016, 11:09 PM
I've seen enough of Mr. Hoover

malcontent
04-22-2016, 11:09 PM
Given how pedestrian his stuff has always been...that 6.8 career H/9IP is bewildering.

UPRedsFan
04-22-2016, 11:10 PM
I think it's an even year thing. You know, the Giants win the world series and JJ Hoover blows up. Just stick him in Lou until 2017

Red Raindog
04-22-2016, 11:11 PM
Not sure about that. He may be gone. Like....gone.

Gregg wasn't this bad

wow - had not considered that

Red Raindog
04-22-2016, 11:12 PM
ok -- rally caps on!

tomnuetten
04-22-2016, 11:14 PM
I have a feeling that the reds donīt win this one

Tracy Jones
04-22-2016, 11:15 PM
wow - had not considered that

It's true. Hoover has earned the longer leash he's gotten because of past performance, but Servo's right. He looks cooked.

WVRedsFan
04-22-2016, 11:16 PM
To Whom it May Concern:

You will see JJ again. He's one of Price's favorites

androosh
04-22-2016, 11:16 PM
You know it's bad when it's still April and a game thread barely reaches 12 pages.

JMO
04-22-2016, 11:22 PM
Hoover may be done. No point in being mad, the Reds just aren't that good. The bullpen is downright laughable.

Ron Madden
04-22-2016, 11:28 PM
Hoover may be done. No point in being mad, the Reds just aren't that good. The bullpen is downright laughable.

Oh I'm not mad at him,in fact I feel kinda sorry for him. I've just grown tired of watching him get beat like a drum..

WVRedsFan
04-22-2016, 11:31 PM
Hoover may be done. No point in being mad, the Reds just aren't that good. The bullpen is downright laughable.If were really honest, JJ was done two years ago. He pitched last year and it finally caught up with him late in the season. He was horrible in ST and now this. Some say his velocity is down. I say he needs to go. Of course, you could say that about over half the pitching staff, too. It's easy to not really get too upset because the rebuild doesn't seem to have the answers.

RedTeamGo!
04-22-2016, 11:33 PM
If were really honest, JJ was done two years ago. He pitched last year and it finally caught up with him late in the season. He was horrible in ST and now this. Some say his velocity is down. I say he needs to go. Of course, you could say that about over half the pitching staff, too. It's easy to not really get too upset because the rebuild doesn't seem to have the answers.

What do you mean the rebuild doesn't seem to have the answers? You expect the team to already be rebuilt?

paulrichjr
04-22-2016, 11:42 PM
I look for a phantom DL stint for Hoover.

Can he be sent down? I assume yes but I am not sure if he has options.

Price and Walt honestly abused him 2 years ago by sending him out when he clearly didn't have it over and over and now it starts again. I just hope it isn't July when they decide to do something.

Tom Servo
04-22-2016, 11:47 PM
Can he be sent down? I assume yes but I am not sure if he has options.

Zach Buchanan ‏@ZachENQ 6m6 minutes ago
Bryan Price said he's not considering sending Hoover to the minors

androosh
04-22-2016, 11:52 PM
Zach Buchanan ‏@ZachENQ 6m6 minutes ago
Bryan Price said he's not considering sending Hoover to the minorsI wonder if he's considering anything other than still using him.

RedsBrick
04-23-2016, 12:01 AM
The sad part about this season so early is that the run differential is too far out of whack to get back to 500.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2016, 12:01 AM
I wonder if he's considering anything other than still using him.He said that Hoover was too important and that the team would work to get him back to effective and he was sure JJ would work his tail off.

WVRedsFan
04-23-2016, 12:05 AM
What do you mean the rebuild doesn't seem to have the answers? You expect the team to already be rebuilt?No, I do not. What I'm saying is that the bullpen has woefully been neglected and filled with no-talents with some exceptions. With the pen usually pitching 40% of games, that part seemed to be neglected.

Mutaman
04-23-2016, 12:19 AM
Got to give JJ and jumbo lots of credit: two veterans who were handed golden opportunities by default, and neither one of them could get out of their own way. Way to step up guys.

Raisor
04-23-2016, 09:19 AM
No, I do not. What I'm saying is that the bullpen has woefully been neglected and filled with no-talents with some exceptions. With the pen usually pitching 40% of games, that part seemed to be neglected.

The bullpen will follow the rotation rebuild.

BenHayes
04-23-2016, 03:14 PM
In the old days you could just hide Hoover in the pen as a seldom used mop up man but this years pen has no room for that position as there are at least 6 mop up men in the pen. If they just used JJ in that role he'll lead the staff in appearances.:help: