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Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 01:40 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiwYKOcVAAAmNQd.jpg

I liked Suarez batting 2nd. :thumbdown:

cumberlandreds
05-18-2016, 03:02 PM
What's the over/under on the amount of Indians runs today? 10?

CySeymour
05-18-2016, 03:15 PM
Is Duvall hurt? With the way he's been hitting, why does he need a day off?

redsmetz
05-18-2016, 03:40 PM
NM

Raisor
05-18-2016, 03:50 PM
Is Duvall hurt? With the way he's been hitting, why does he need a day off?

Everyone needs a day off every now and then.

Strikes Out Looking
05-18-2016, 04:18 PM
Is Duvall hurt? With the way he's been hitting, why does he need a day off?

Because the book on baseball Dusty left Bryan says "if a player is playing well, you should sit them so they don't burn out while they are playing well."

TRF
05-18-2016, 04:58 PM
From ESPN

The Reds (15-24) have lost seven of nine while allowing 13 or more runs three times. Opponents have averaged 7.1 runs in that time and are batting .312.

Kinda says it all doesn't it?

klw
05-18-2016, 05:16 PM
From ESPN


Kinda says it all doesn't it?

In case it doesn't:
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 59m59 minutes ago

#Reds hitters have the highest percentage of 1-2-3 innings (39.4%) among hitting teams this season.

Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 2h2 hours ago

#Reds pitchers have just 71 1-2-3 innings (21% of 340 IP) this season, fewest in MLB (next closest is 88). They've had 1 in the last 30 IP.

Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 1h1 hour ago

Lowest team OBP in #Reds history:
1908 - .288
2016 - .294*
2014 - .296
1967 - .297

*Obviously still active


Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 6h6 hours ago

Fewest IP per start
2012 Rockies 4.72
1995 Tigers 5.07
2016 Reds 5.11
2003 Rangers 5.14
1977 Mariners 5.15

Lowest for #Reds is 2001 at 5.40

uɐɯssnS ʇʇɐW ‏@suss2hyphens 8h8 hours ago

Batters vs. 2016 Reds bullpen: .277/.375/.510
Nelson Cruz, 2016: .281/.379/.511

Puffy
05-18-2016, 06:12 PM
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 59m59 minutes ago
#Reds hitters have the highest percentage of 1-2-3 innings (39.4%) among hitting teams this season.
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 2h2 hours ago
#Reds pitchers have just 71 1-2-3 innings (21% of 340 IP) this season, fewest in MLB (next closest is 88). They've had 1 in the last 30 IP.
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 1h1 hour ago
Lowest team OBP in #Reds history:
1908 - .288
2016 - .294*
2014 - .296
1967 - .297

*Obviously still active

Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 6h6 hours ago
Fewest IP per start
2012 Rockies 4.72
1995 Tigers 5.07
2016 Reds 5.11
2003 Rangers 5.14
1977 Mariners 5.15

Lowest for #Reds is 2001 at 5.40

Batters vs. 2016 Reds bullpen: .277/.375/.510
Nelson Cruz, 2016: .281/.379/.511

So, you're sayin there is a chance for the number 1 overall pick???

klw
05-18-2016, 06:40 PM
So, you're sayin there is a chance for the number 1 overall pick???

No I don't think there is. I posted my thoughts in this in last night's game thread. I think the Reds will have Bailey, Iglesias and Desclafani back and Reed up by the All Star Break. Lorenzen, Adelman, Finnegan/Iglesias/ or Straily, and Moscot will join the pen with Simon around as a long man at most. With a Rotation of Bailey, Desclafani, Reed, and two of Straily/ Iglesias/Finnegan and an improved pen, I think the Reds will be a .500 team in the second half. I would be shocked if they finish behind Atlanta and get the first pick. If they do finish with a worse record than Atlanta, it will be on purpose.

Wolves198921
05-18-2016, 07:05 PM
I'm just hoping to make it past the fifth inning tonight before turning it off. They play competitive baseball at home so hopefully they can keep it close and win one of two to avoid a four game sweep.

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 07:06 PM
I'm just hoping to make it past the fifth inning tonight before turning it off. They play competitive baseball at home so hopefully they can keep it close and win one of two to avoid a four game sweep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flv5nWZgII

Red Raindog
05-18-2016, 07:13 PM
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 59m59 minutes ago
#Reds hitters have the highest percentage of 1-2-3 innings (39.4%) among hitting teams this season.
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 2h2 hours ago
#Reds pitchers have just 71 1-2-3 innings (21% of 340 IP) this season, fewest in MLB (next closest is 88). They've had 1 in the last 30 IP.
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 1h1 hour ago
Lowest team OBP in #Reds history:
1908 - .288
2016 - .294*
2014 - .296
1967 - .297

*Obviously still active

Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 6h6 hours ago
Fewest IP per start
2012 Rockies 4.72
1995 Tigers 5.07
2016 Reds 5.11
2003 Rangers 5.14
1977 Mariners 5.15

Lowest for #Reds is 2001 at 5.40

Batters vs. 2016 Reds bullpen: .277/.375/.510
Nelson Cruz, 2016: .281/.379/.511

So, you're sayin there is a chance for the number 1 overall pick???

and here I thought there was a chance to not get humiliated again

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 07:17 PM
Finnegan struggling with the strike zone, not uncharacteristically, but the he's hitting 94 on the gun which is great to see.

A Lindor single but a scoreless first for Finny.

Chuckie
05-18-2016, 07:27 PM
Why the heck didn't Billy try and steal during the first four pitches to Votto?

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Billy finally runs and gets the steal, but Votto Ks on the same pitch.

Joey looks ticked Billy didn't try and go earlier in the count.

OnBaseMachine
05-18-2016, 07:27 PM
Another one of those awful check swings from Votto on a 2-1 count.

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 07:27 PM
Waiting for Ferrari

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 07:30 PM
I wonder when or if Votto is ever going to break out of this. He is now hitting .111 over the last week. .181 over the last 15 games

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Bloop hit right in front of Bruce

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 07:31 PM
ugh

Chuckie
05-18-2016, 07:31 PM
Wow. First Bruce misjudges the ball, then he doesn't make an effort to get it. It barely hit in front of him.

Shake it off Jay.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 07:32 PM
Here we go again. Double to the wall in center.

Chuckie
05-18-2016, 07:32 PM
This just in: Bad defense has ripple effects.

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 07:33 PM
I was told by the Reds announcers that Yan Gomes wasn't the same.

Chuckie
05-18-2016, 07:33 PM
Finnegan throwing 94 (as Servo said) is the bright spot tonight. Really like Finnegan.

OnBaseMachine
05-18-2016, 07:33 PM
Bruce used to be a defensive stud. Instead of one out and pitching out of the wind up, he's forced to the stretch.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 07:34 PM
This just in: Bad defense has ripple effects.

This in awhile ago: Jay Bruce is bad at defense

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I was told by the Reds announcers that Yan Gomes wasn't the same.

Everyone rebounds vs Reds pitching

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 07:35 PM
This is where you'd want to bury Byrd with a breaking pitch in the dirt.

And not doing so is how you get Byrd a sac fly, also poorly played by Bruce.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 07:36 PM
Good lord

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 07:36 PM
Wow. Bruce almost badly misplayed that. He has to end up making a diving catch to save a disaster. Sac fly. 1-0 Indians

Red Raindog
05-18-2016, 07:36 PM
Bruce keeps proving he's DH bound

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 07:36 PM
Well, that's why Jay has the worst dWAR in baseball.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 07:37 PM
Holt had to make a leaping catch on that line drive.

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 07:38 PM
The velocity is good but Finnegan is throwing too many fastballs so far, need to throw the breaking stuff for strikes.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 07:38 PM
Clevinger grounds out to Votto. Inning over.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 07:39 PM
Only 1 scoring in that situation? Not bad at all.

OnBaseMachine
05-18-2016, 07:42 PM
When you watch guys like Marlon Byrd swing at pitches in the dirt with the Reds, then watch the Reds throw him hittable pitches it really makes you question their advanced scouting.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 07:43 PM
When you watch guys like Marlon Byrd swing at pitches in the dirt with the Reds, then watch the Reds throw him hittable pitches it really makes you question their advanced scouting.

Nah. Everybody has the same book on players. It just comes down to execution.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 07:43 PM
Leadoff walk to Bruce

'69
05-18-2016, 07:45 PM
In case it doesn't:
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 59m59 minutes ago


Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 2h2 hours ago





Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 1h1 hour ago


Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 6h6 hours ago


uɐɯssnS ʇʇɐW ‏@suss2hyphens 8h8 hours ago

That just might be most disparaging post I've ever read on this forum.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 07:49 PM
After the leadoff walk the Reds go quickly out. 1-0 Indians after 2

BCubb2003
05-18-2016, 07:52 PM
After the leadoff walk the Reds go quickly out. 1-0 Indians after 2

The walk that didn't haunt.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 07:54 PM
Reds have suddenly turned Rajai Davis into an all star. 2-0 Indians on a leadoff homer

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 07:54 PM
Rajai Davis HR. 2-0 Cleveland.

Finnegan's gotta do something about the longball.

TheBigLebowski
05-18-2016, 07:56 PM
Why can't ANYONE GET RAJAI DAVIS OUT???

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 07:57 PM
Lindor singles and is nailed at 2nd by Hamilton

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He is out as he was tagged when his hand went off the bag

'69
05-18-2016, 07:57 PM
Nice play by Hamilton, runner looks safe

Nope! Out!

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 07:59 PM
I think he's safe, but I just want to get on with it already.


Called out.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 07:59 PM
The Reds have 8 players making over $1 mil this season. Of those 8, 3 are on the DL (Homer, Mes, Iglesias) 2 have been terrible (Votto, Simon) and 3 are producing at at least an above league average rate (Bruce, BP, Cozart) Those 8 guys eat up over 75% of their payroll.

Ron Madden
05-18-2016, 08:00 PM
I think we got a break with that replay

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:01 PM
Is there any reason that the Reds shouldn't be starting Duvall at first and Holt or Schebler in left?

Crumbley
05-18-2016, 08:02 PM
MLB replay is the dirt worst.

'69
05-18-2016, 08:02 PM
Is there any reason that the Reds shouldn't be starting Duvall at first and Holt or Schebler in left?

Wait, Schebler in left? NM

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:04 PM
$$

That's a good point, although Votto's deal is a sunk cost.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 08:05 PM
You can also add Hoover, Griffey, and Arroyo to the 2016 Reds millionaire club. That's a LOT of money Banana Bob is shelling out for very little production.

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 08:06 PM
Wait, Schebler in left? NM
You also generally don't bench a top 5 hitter in all of baseball from the previous year because of a few weeks of substandard performance, regardless of how much money he's making.

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That's a good point, although Votto's deal is a sunk cost.
You're not fooling me by trying to blend in.

westofyou
05-18-2016, 08:08 PM
Is there any reason that the Reds shouldn't be starting Duvall at first and Holt or Schebler in left?

Really?

Really.... It's come to this?

Damn

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 08:09 PM
Really?

Really.... It's come to this?

Damn

No...not really.

However, I think a day off to clear his head wouldn't be amiss.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 08:10 PM
Reds go down 1-2-3 in the 3rd. 2-0 Indians

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:11 PM
.210 hitters typically don't start when there are better options available.

'69
05-18-2016, 08:12 PM
I'm just hoping to make it past the fifth inning tonight before turning it off. They play competitive baseball at home so hopefully they can keep it close and win one of two to avoid a four game sweep.

Go 9 with us, bro.

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 08:12 PM
.210 hitters typically don't start when there are better options available.
Remember when you called him a slap hitter last year and then he put up a 1.000 OPS for the season?

Ron Madden
05-18-2016, 08:13 PM
No...not really.

However, I think a day off to clear his head wouldn't be amiss.

He recently had 3 days in a row off. Play him every day, let him hit his way outta the slump.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:13 PM
Remember when you called him a slap hitter last year and then he put up a 1.000 OPS for the season?

What?

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 08:13 PM
.210 hitters typically don't start when there are better options available.

There isn't a better option

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:14 PM
There isn't a better option

Holt in left, Duvall at first?

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 08:14 PM
What?
Not buying it, junkhead. Registered in the last 30 minutes with a generic name and generic avatar, referenced dWAR in your first post and back to the Votto bashing.

westofyou
05-18-2016, 08:15 PM
.210 hitters typically don't start when there are better options available.

Franchise players in slumps don't emerge from them sitting on their ass

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 08:15 PM
Holt in left, Duvall at first?

Long term? No.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 08:15 PM
3rd K for Finnegan

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:17 PM
Long term? No.

Ideally Winker would be in left after the Super Two deadline passes

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 08:17 PM
A 1-2-3 inning. 4 Ks for Finnegan

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 08:18 PM
Great looking inning from Finnegan, got Byrd swinging in the dirt.

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 08:18 PM
He recently had 3 days in a row off. Play him every day, let him hit his way outta the slump.

? He did? When...and how did I miss that?

If true...then nevermind. :O)

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:19 PM
? He did? When...and how did I miss that?

If true...then nevermind. :O)

Yeah, Price gave him a day after a rained out game and before an off day.

'69
05-18-2016, 08:20 PM
You also generally don't bench a top 5 hitter in all of baseball from the previous year because of a few weeks of substandard performance, regardless of how much money he's making.

You're absolutely right. But it hasn't been a few weeks, it's been 6 weeks. And you still go with him. I would. But say he just has a crap season, he doesn't sit next season either.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:20 PM
Votto's problem this year is pretty obvious. He lets so many good hittable pitches go by, gets in pitchers counts, and is forced to go fishing.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 08:21 PM
Ideally Winker would be in left after the Super Two deadline passes

Perhaps, but Votto could be hitting .110 and he's not gonna be benched for any real length of time. For better or worse, the Reds are stuck with him until retirement do them part. He's gotta start hitting at some point.

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 08:21 PM
You're absolutely right. But it hasn't been a few weeks, it's been 6 weeks. And you still go with him. I would. But say he just has a crap season, he doesn't sit next season either.
Of course not. But what team would?

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:22 PM
When did this pathetic half-swing stuff start for Votto? My God, Joey, it won't kill you to swing at a pitch .5 inches off of the zone.

KYRedsFan
05-18-2016, 08:22 PM
Joey needs an "injury" to sort some things out

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 08:22 PM
Thanks Ron and JH. Appreciate it. Still not sure how I overlooked that. But whatever.

I agree with the general consensus...only way to get out of a slump is to hit your way out. (the mental break can sometimes also help...but moot in this case)

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:24 PM
I don't think benching him for a few days will help...after his 3 day reprieve, he's looked worse than he has at any point this season.

Any benching period for Votto needs to be weeks long, not days.

KYRedsFan
05-18-2016, 08:25 PM
Bruuuuce

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 08:25 PM
BRUUUUUUUUCE! Passes Adam Dunn in GABP history! :jump:

9 for last 17 :O)

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 08:25 PM
Bruce homers to right! 2-1 Indians

Ron Madden
05-18-2016, 08:25 PM
Bruuuce!!!!!

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 08:25 PM
Bruce is as hot as Votto is cold

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 08:25 PM
Bruuuuuuuuce! :jump:

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 08:25 PM
I don't think benching him for a few days will help...after his 3 day reprieve, he's looked worse than he has at any point this season.

Any benching period for Votto needs to be weeks long, not days.

Not gonna happen...no point in even bringing it up.

TheBigLebowski
05-18-2016, 08:26 PM
I've always been one who believed Joey's eventually gonna be Joey.

But I'm really starting to question that.

It may be that he just can't find it within himself to give a crap about this season. I wouldn't blame him.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:26 PM
Nice to see a Red interested in swinging the bat. Good work, Jay!

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 08:26 PM
I don't think benching him for a few days will help...after his 3 day reprieve, he's looked worse than he has at any point this season.

Any benching period for Votto needs to be weeks long, not days.

Won't happen. You're pissing in the wind.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:27 PM
Not gonna happen...no point in even bringing it up.

That's probably true.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 08:29 PM
I've always been one who believed Joey's eventually gonna be Joey.

But I'm really starting to question that.

It may be that he just can't find it within himself to give a crap about this season. I wouldn't blame him.

Oh I'd blame him. I wouldn't want him anywhere near this team if that were the case. But I don't believe that's true.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:30 PM
Votto's problem isn't not caring - you can pretty clearly see that he cares.

He just hasn't been good...

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 08:30 PM
5 Ks for Finnegan

BCubb2003
05-18-2016, 08:31 PM
I think Joey would spend an off day reliving every at-bat from the last week.

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 08:32 PM
Votto's problem isn't not caring - you can pretty clearly see that he cares.

He just hasn't been good...

Every player eventually has to deal with a prolonged slump. I think everyone's taking Joey's so badly because we so rarely see this. I can't recall any slump by Joey going on longer than a week (but admittedly my memory is crap LOL)

'69
05-18-2016, 08:32 PM
Of course not. But what team would?

None, except it means got to move him if there's a snowball's chance. Not because of this slump, because of this team.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 08:33 PM
6 Ks. Another 1-2-3 Inning

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 08:33 PM
Finnegan rolling right now.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:34 PM
Every player eventually has to deal with a prolonged slump. I think everyone's taking Joey's so badly because we so rarely see this. I can't recall any slump by Joey going on longer than a week (but admittedly my memory is crap LOL)

He was pretty bad for a 2-3 week stretch in late April/early May last year. Not this bad, granted, but close.

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 08:34 PM
Every player eventually has to deal with a prolonged slump.
Carlos Gonzalez hit .219/.296/.331 over the first two months of 2015. He still finished the season hitting like Carlos Gonzalez.

I'm worried about Votto, but I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt. There is zero reason not to have him in the lineup.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 08:34 PM
Wait a minute...the other team is allowed to not get a baserunner in an inning? Who knew?

Tadasimha
05-18-2016, 08:37 PM
Finnegan rolling right now.

Just 69 pitches through 5. Very efficient so far.

Time for the offense to give him some run support

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:39 PM
Indians broadcast- "When you're paid 25 million dollars a year, you need to drive in runs."

At least someone gets it..

'69
05-18-2016, 08:42 PM
Indians broadcast- "When you're paid 25 million dollars a year, you need to drive in runs."

At least someone gets it..

Please not this again.

Tadasimha
05-18-2016, 08:43 PM
Indians broadcast- "When you're paid 25 million dollars a year, you need to drive in runs."

At least someone gets it..

Marty?

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 08:43 PM
Indians broadcast- "When you're paid 25 million dollars a year, you need to drive in runs."

At least someone gets it..

And that's the albatross you volunteer to wear when you sign a big money deal. I don't care who you are. I also don't care if it's right or wrong. It's just the reality of the world.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:43 PM
And that's the albatross you volunteer to wear when you sign a big money deal. I don't care who you are. I also don't care if it's right or wrong. It's just the reality of the world.

agree

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 08:43 PM
Indians broadcast- "When you're paid 25 million dollars a year, you need to drive in runs."

At least someone gets it..

Replace 'you need to drive in runs' with "you need to not make outs" and I agree. IMO that statement is just a veiled attempt to say "expand the zone and drive in that run". That garbage was driven into the ground the last few years. Not buying it. He just needs to be himself...right now, he's Paul Janish at the plate.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 08:44 PM
Kipnis doubles to the track in left center. Billy almost ran that down

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He hit the wall hard on that play

Ron Madden
05-18-2016, 08:45 PM
Nice effort Billy

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 08:45 PM
Ground out to 2nd moves the runner to 3rd

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 08:46 PM
I truly think that Votto needs to re-think his plate approach given the change in the way pitchers have approached him this season.

He's being pounded inside (where he hasn't hit effectively in 3 years.) Which means that when he gets a hittable pitch in the middle or outer third, he needs to hammer it. He lets so many good pitches go by, then is forced to hit with 2 strikes.

And, yes, this might mean he walks a little less.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 08:47 PM
Hey baby

Crumbley
05-18-2016, 08:48 PM
My heart

KYRedsFan
05-18-2016, 08:49 PM
Indians broadcast- "When you're paid 25 million dollars a year, you need to drive in runs."

At least someone gets it..

Careful the FIP BABIP WAR armada is gonna unleash

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 08:49 PM
Ball gets right through Suarez for a run.

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 08:49 PM
ugh.

'69
05-18-2016, 08:49 PM
Suarez just Bruced it.

Hey, I got jokes.

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 08:49 PM
*sigh*

E Suarez. That was just lazy defense. No excuse for that.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 08:49 PM
Suarez is still a terrible fielder

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 08:51 PM
Ramirez singles. 1st and 2nd.

Ron Madden
05-18-2016, 08:51 PM
Suarez is still a terrible fielder

He's learning.. That's what this year is all about.

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 08:52 PM
Suarez is still a terrible fielder

Frustrating to say the least. He's DEFINITELY got the tools. It's just a lack of focus on the most basic of plays. In some ways he reminds me of Edwin.

Tadasimha
05-18-2016, 08:52 PM
All right, refocus and get yourself a 6-4-3 and get out of the inning

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 08:54 PM
He's learning.. That's what this year is all about.

I know. Nothing is static, but in his albeit short time here? He hasn't been good with the glove.

'69
05-18-2016, 08:54 PM
Suarez is still a terrible fielder

He's had some nice plays that took the heat off for awhile but...yeah.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2016, 08:54 PM
In some ways he reminds me of Edwin.[/QUOTE]

Agree completely. After the error, it's like he says to himself "Oh well, I missed it"

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 08:56 PM
Alright Finny, get Byrd out and finish 6 strong.


lol nm Byrd single makes it 4-1 and Finnegan is done

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 08:56 PM
Frustrating to say the least. He's DEFINITELY got the tools. It's just a lack of focus on the most basic of plays. In some ways he reminds me of Edwin.

E-5's biggest problem was throwing if I remember right. But you're right in the comparison in that I hold my breath every time it's hit to him.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 08:56 PM
Byrd singled in a run. 4-1 and that is it for Finnegan. The return of Jumbo

westofyou
05-18-2016, 08:57 PM
Indians broadcast- "When you're paid 25 million dollars a year, you need to drive in runs."

At least someone gets it..

Baseball is a team game, got anyone else who displeases you?

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2016, 08:58 PM
I feel the earth shaking.......oh, it's just Jumbo coming in.:eek:

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 08:58 PM
E-5's biggest problem was throwing if I remember right. But you're right in the comparison in that I hold my breath every time it's hit to him.

Yeah, that was Edwin's flaw. But its not like he had a bad arm. He had a rocket. And he could throw accurately...but he'd lose focus and just wing it over to first without focusing on the fundamentals...and WHOOPS...into the stands. Eugenio has the same problem. Focus.

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 08:59 PM
Well, Finnegan deserved better. The lack of walks was good. I don't know who is calling these pitch selections though, if it's from the dugout or Barnhart/Finnegan because either way they need to improve.

westofyou
05-18-2016, 08:59 PM
Suarez is still a terrible fielder

Lets clarify, not watching now, bad hands at 3rd or slow reactions?

Or both?

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 08:59 PM
Jumbo wearing glasses.

10822

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 09:00 PM
I thought Jumbo was wearing glasses warming up in the pen, but I also thought I might have been imagining things.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:00 PM
Lol wouldn't it be crazy if all Diaz needed to be effective was a pair of glasses?

westofyou
05-18-2016, 09:00 PM
Yeah, that was Edwin's flaw. But its not like he had a bad arm. He had a rocket. And he could throw accurately...but he'd lose focus and just wing it over to first without focusing on the fundamentals...and WHOOPS...into the stands. Eugenio has the same problem. Focus.

Footwork

Tom Servo
05-18-2016, 09:00 PM
More of that, Alternate Universe Jumbo.

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:00 PM
Lets clarify, not watching now, bad hands at 3rd or slow reactions?

Or both?

Not moving his feet properly or getting down properly. Ole' more like it. Just a lazy attempt IMO.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2016, 09:01 PM
I think Jumbo has added a few pounds.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:01 PM
Lets clarify, not watching now, bad hands at 3rd or slow reactions?

Or both?

Considering the last ball went through the wickets, I'd say both.

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:02 PM
Footwork

That too. But again, after a poor play...he'd have a spectacular one...and with excellent footwork. He COULD do it...he just needed someone to whisper in his ear..."EDWIN...PAY ATTENTION" Okay, maybe not "whisper". :O)

Ron Madden
05-18-2016, 09:02 PM
Lets clarify, not watching now, bad hands at 3rd or slow reactions?

Or both?

Man on 3rd Infield playing in and a hot smash goes through his legs.. it happens

westofyou
05-18-2016, 09:02 PM
I think Jumbo has added a few pounds.

Jumbo squared

'69
05-18-2016, 09:03 PM
Lets clarify, not watching now, bad hands at 3rd or slow reactions?

Or both?

Slow reactions, misjudged the hop and didn't get his glove down in time.

westofyou
05-18-2016, 09:03 PM
Man on 3rd Infield playing in and a hot smash goes through his legs.. it happens

To everyone but Brooks

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2016, 09:04 PM
Reds coming up in the 6th......I see the offense has been MIA again...2 hits through 5. Reds making another no name look like Cy Young

I knew as soon as I posted this, they would get some hits.

'69
05-18-2016, 09:04 PM
I think Jumbo has added a few pounds.

He can see now so it's's all good.

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:04 PM
Put your body in front of the ball and get down properly...and that doesn't happen. Fundamentals. Just a lazy play.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:04 PM
Billy!

Nice chance here for Joey

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:05 PM
To everyone but Brooks

Or Michael Jack

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:05 PM
To everyone but Brooks

To be fair...we were talking about human beings playing baseball. No point bringing vacuum cleaners into the discussion. :O)

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:06 PM
Shut everyone up and put one over the RF wall

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That'll do

westofyou
05-18-2016, 09:06 PM
Or Michael Jack

Nettles was also great

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:07 PM
VOTTO! A hit!

RUN BILLY RUN! Man he's got some wheels on him. LOL.

'69
05-18-2016, 09:07 PM
Votto!!!

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:07 PM
That's more like it

Ron Madden
05-18-2016, 09:07 PM
To everyone but Brooks

Exactly.. You can always tell when Marty returns to the booth. ;)

Red Raindog
05-18-2016, 09:07 PM
take that slump!

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:07 PM
Nettles was also great

Buddy always impressed me too.

'69
05-18-2016, 09:09 PM
Pete Runnels

KYRedsFan
05-18-2016, 09:09 PM
There we go Joey

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:10 PM
Nettles was also great

I had the Fleer error "Craig" Nettles card when I was 7 or 8. Thought it'd be worth a lot of money someday. I was wrong.

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:10 PM
Pete Runnels

Runnels played third? I seem to remember him as a 2b.

My dad used to really like him.

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:14 PM
JAY! En FUEGO!

Love seeing him go the other way. When he's doing that, he's locked in.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:14 PM
Bruuuuuce!

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:15 PM
Kyle Crockett is in to pitch

Bruce singles to left. 1st and 3rd

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:16 PM
2 doubles in the last 3 games for Votto.

That's a 121 2B pace.

#Positives

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:16 PM
Do you still trade Jay before the break? Or do you pay his option and see what happens next year?

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:16 PM
Regarding the 3b conversation...if he stays healthy, I do believe Mr. Machado will enter into that conversation before it's all done and said.

'69
05-18-2016, 09:17 PM
Runnels played third? I seem to remember him as a 2b.

My dad used to really like him.

Correct, 2B and SS, and he could pick it. I thought he was my usual WIS third baseman, along with Harlond Clift, Bill Elliott, Wade Boggs.

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:17 PM
Do you still trade Jay before the break? Or do you pay his option and see what happens next year?

I'd love to see he and Joey retire as Reds...but if you get a good offer on him...I think the Reds would have to jump on it.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:17 PM
Do you still trade Jay before the break? Or do you pay his option and see what happens next year?

If you get the right deal you trade him. You have to go all in with a rebuild

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:17 PM
Do you still trade Jay before the break? Or do you pay his option and see what happens next year?

Trade him while he's hot or risk his last year repeating itself.

westofyou
05-18-2016, 09:17 PM
Regarding the 3b conversation...if he stays healthy, I do believe Mr. Machado will enter into that conversation before it's all done and said.

He's a stud

In ten years we all will be amazed at the talent we've seen, there some players out there. Guys that go beyond the stats, just pure baseball

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:18 PM
Regarding the 3b conversation...if he stays healthy, I do believe Mr. Machado will enter into that conversation before it's all done and said.

Yeah that guy's good.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:18 PM
double switch as McAllister is in to pitch. Chisenhall in to play right

westofyou
05-18-2016, 09:18 PM
If you get the right deal you trade him. You have to go all in with a rebuild

The extremely RH Blue Jays should have interest

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:18 PM
Suarez!!

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:19 PM
BOOM! Suarez! :jump:

WVRedsFan
05-18-2016, 09:19 PM
HR Suarez!!!

6-4 Reds

'69
05-18-2016, 09:19 PM
Hey You!

Red Raindog
05-18-2016, 09:19 PM
Suarez has some promise

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:19 PM
Suarez homers! 6-4 Reds!

TheBigLebowski
05-18-2016, 09:19 PM
GENE-OHHH

Ron Madden
05-18-2016, 09:19 PM
Regarding the 3b conversation...if he stays healthy, I do believe Mr. Machado will enter into that conversation before it's all done and said.

The guy playing 3rd for the Rockies is pretty good

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:19 PM
Trade him while he's hot or risk his last year repeating itself.

Yeah it's a risk, but $13 mil is pretty cheap for what he's giving them right now.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:19 PM
The extremely RH Blue Jays should have interest

Jays might not be in the buying market in July if their season keeps going the way it is.

TheBigLebowski
05-18-2016, 09:20 PM
So disheartening to consider the pen is just going to blow this.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:20 PM
Yeah it's a risk, but $13 mil is pretty cheap for what he's giving them right now.

But in a rebuild year does it matter?

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:21 PM
Correct, 2B and SS, and he could pick it. I thought he was my usual WIS third baseman, along with Harlond Clift, Bill Elliott, Wade Boggs.

Man, I could watch Wade Boggs at the plate all day long. He and Tony Gwynn...I just looooooved their approach at the dish. It felt like they could do anything they wanted with that stick in their hands.

westofyou
05-18-2016, 09:21 PM
So disheartening to consider the pen is just going to blow this.

Think good thoughts

WVRedsFan
05-18-2016, 09:22 PM
Holt. Not yet ready, as are so many of the Reds' suspects.

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:22 PM
The guy playing 3rd for the Rockies is pretty good

True. But I honestly don't think he has the tools that Manny's got. He's other-worldly. And ironic as heck that he's wearing a Baltimore jersey IMO.

westofyou
05-18-2016, 09:23 PM
Holt. Not yet ready, as are so many of the Reds' suspects.

Guys slotted 22-25 on the roster are always suspect

'69
05-18-2016, 09:23 PM
You do trade Bruce and just hope RF isn't a new hole in the offense.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:23 PM
But in a rebuild year does it matter?

No, but it might next year or the year after. He is still only 29.

I'd trade him too for the right deal, but it's something to think about.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:26 PM
4 eyed Jumbo will save us all

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You do trade Bruce and just hope RF isn't a new hole in the offense.

I think Duvall moves out there if/when Bruce is traded.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:27 PM
No, but it might next year or the year after. He is still only 29.

I'd trade him too for the right deal, but it's something to think about.

Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't give him away or anything.

Probably good news that the Blue Jays three team trade involving Michael Saunders fell through.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:27 PM
4 eyed Jumbo will save us all

Hopefully Jumbo straightened himself out in Louisville. He did pitch 10 scoreless innings there after he was sent down

WVRedsFan
05-18-2016, 09:28 PM
Guys slotted 22-25 on the roster are always suspectYep. No doubt.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:28 PM
Jumbo's peripherals were pretty decent last year. Thought he would emerge as closer this year.

'69
05-18-2016, 09:29 PM
Four eyed? sorry, she's cute.

10823

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:29 PM
How weird is baseball? The Brewers are apparently the Cubs kryptonite

RedlegJake
05-18-2016, 09:29 PM
Man, I could watch Wade Boggs at the plate all day long. He and Tony Gwynn...I just looooooved their approach at the dish. It felt like they could do anything they wanted with that stick in their hands.

Same here....Rod Carew and George Brett were guys I loved to watch on other teams too, not the traditional sluggers but guys who knew how to give a great AB every time up there. Mad Dog Madlock, Pete, Morgan, Al Oliver.....oh to have a couple of those kind of hitters to go with Joey....

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:30 PM
That is not good. Davis who has been on base constantly the last 3 days walks

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:31 PM
Hopefully Jumbo straightened himself out in Louisville. He did pitch 10 scoreless innings there after he was sent down

The gopher was always his problem. I hope so too. He's got the best arm of the current crop of relievers.

Ron Madden
05-18-2016, 09:32 PM
Jumbo can't find the plate

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:32 PM
Not good. Another walk.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:33 PM
In Louisville Jumbo struck out 15 and only walked 2 batters in 10 innings. Here already 2 walks in less than an inning

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:33 PM
Take the glasses off...

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:34 PM
Ugh. Wild pitch moves the runners up

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:34 PM
Welp.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:34 PM
Oh good lord

RedlegJake
05-18-2016, 09:34 PM
These guys go to AAA are aggressive throw strikes and do well. Come to the majors and pitch scared. Disgusted....

Ron Madden
05-18-2016, 09:34 PM
Wild pitch

Red Raindog
05-18-2016, 09:35 PM
fresh arm does not mean better arm

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:36 PM
Slow ground out to 2nd scores a run. 6-5. Runner on 3rd with 2 outs

'69
05-18-2016, 09:36 PM
Walks have ripples...

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:37 PM
Jumbo has the arm to go right after guys, stop this nibbling crap.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:37 PM
Walks have ripples...

So does Jumbo

RedlegJake
05-18-2016, 09:37 PM
Walks have ripples...

With our bullpen walks have tidal waves

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:38 PM
Good call Jake on Brett and Carew. Growing up watching those guys is the reason I'm still fascinated by batting average hitters. I know, I know...BA is a poor stat. Sorry, I like what I like. :O)

WVRedsFan
05-18-2016, 09:39 PM
Jumbo comes in and immediately allows a run and can't find the plate. My my.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:39 PM
Napoli flies out to center. 6-5 Reds mid 7th

RedlegJake
05-18-2016, 09:39 PM
Good call Jake on Brett and Carew. Growing up watching those guys is the reason I'm still fascinated by batting average hitters. I know, I know...BA is a poor stat. Sorry, I like what I like. :O)

Same Charles....I believe BA has gone from being overrated to being underrated today

Mutaman
05-18-2016, 09:40 PM
I'm still trying to get a handle on this: He walked 4 straight with the bases loaded?

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:42 PM
I'm still trying to get a handle on this: He walked 4 straight with the bases loaded?

I remember Chapman doing something like that in 2011.

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:42 PM
Wow. I forgot all about Joba Chamberlain. I didn't even realize he was with the Tribe. Goes to show you how much I pay attention to the AL. LOL.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:42 PM
I'm still trying to get a handle on this: He walked 4 straight with the bases loaded?

Same amount of batters Kershaw has walked this whole season lol

BCubb2003
05-18-2016, 09:43 PM
I'm still trying to get a handle on this: He walked 4 straight with the bases loaded?

He was missing bats.

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:43 PM
I remember Chapman doing something like that in 2011.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?id=310515117

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:44 PM
Ross Ohlentee next inning...We need runs.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:45 PM
I still not sure what Pacheco brings to this team at all. He strikes out looking

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:45 PM
http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?id=310515117

Ha! Thought so.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:46 PM
Cozart doubles off the wall in left center. His 3rd hit tonight

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:46 PM
COZY! 2 bagger off the wall. Man, I'm loving the way he's swinging the bat this year. So bummed he got hurt last year.

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:47 PM
COZY! 2 bagger off the wall. Man, I'm loving the way he's swinging the bat this year. So bummed he got hurt last year.

"His schimmy makes the women in Cleveland puke"

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:48 PM
Hamilton strikes out swinging

Mutaman
05-18-2016, 09:49 PM
Think maybe KoKo wasn't so bad after all?

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2016, 09:49 PM
Intentional walk to Votto

Tadasimha
05-18-2016, 09:49 PM
Another double from Votto would look pretty good right now!

okaaaay

A hit from BP would look pretty good right now!

_Sir_Charles_
05-18-2016, 09:49 PM
"His schimmy makes the women in Cleveland puke"

What is that from? I'm guessing Major League, but I don't remember it.

MinnesotaRed
05-18-2016, 09:50 PM
I still not sure what Pacheco brings to this team at all. He strikes out looking

More than Jake Cave, apparently.

sigh

Tracy Jones
05-18-2016, 09:50 PM
Think maybe KoKo wasn't so bad after all?

He wasn't. The Reds cut bait with him at the perfect time too.