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Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 04:16 PM
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I was posting in yesterday's thread and wondering where everyone was. Reds baseball - catch the fever!

cumberlandreds
07-09-2016, 04:20 PM
Phillips starting today is horrible. This is decisions like this that really make me wonder if the Reds will ever be relevant again.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 04:22 PM
John Lamb = a reliever forced into a starting role.

He'll be a good MLB reliever though, IMO. Eventually.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 04:23 PM
Eugenio Suarez = a DH masquerading as a third baseman.

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 04:23 PM
Suarez...

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 04:24 PM
LOL! They ruled that a double. Man, Suarez is straight awful defensively.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 04:24 PM
Ruled a double. Should have been an E5.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 04:26 PM
How 'bout a passed ball? Could we interest you in a passed ball?

Bad News Reds in full effect.

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Ruled a double. Should have been an E5.

Little League moms gonna Little League mom.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 04:26 PM
Passed ball scores a run. Obviously miscommunication between Lamb and Cabrera, as Ramon appeared to be looking for something other than what Lamb threw.

WrongVerb
07-09-2016, 04:28 PM
Turned on the game just in time to see the Bad News Reds display. This team is so ill-prepared to play winning baseball it's not even funny. Price needs to go after tomorrow.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 04:29 PM
Lamb Chop gets out of it with only 1 run scoring. Nice work.

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 04:29 PM
Nice job by Lamb against the heart of the order after the ugly beginning.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 04:31 PM
Little League moms gonna Little League mom.

I've kept book for a lot of games (primarily at HS level). I'm not one to say, "Well, he touched it, so it has to be an error." I always consider the difficulty of the play, and whether it should be made under ordinary circumstances. (If anything, I am lenient about things like bad hops and losing the ball in the sun/lights.) Suarez left his feet, but I don't think it was an excessively difficult chance.

E5.

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 04:33 PM
Duvall! :jump:

1-1 game

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 04:34 PM
Chris Welsh also wondering why the hell BP is in the lineup.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 04:34 PM
Chris Welsh with a mini-editorial questioning the logic of playing Phillips over Peraza at 2B today.

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 04:54 PM
5 strikeouts by Lamb so far, his changeup is really fooling guys today.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 04:55 PM
Prado single snaps a streak of eight in a row retired by Lamb.

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 04:57 PM
6 Ks through 3 innings for Lamb.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 04:58 PM
According to the commercial, 100% of Panera's food will be clean by year's end.

Does that mean that they are currently serving dirty food?

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 05:02 PM
Bruce one out double in the 4th

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 05:07 PM
DatDude RBI single, to 2nd on throw to plate!

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 05:07 PM
DatDude drives in Bruce with a single to right, 2-1 Redlegs

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 05:14 PM
8 strikeouts(!) by Lamb through 4 innings

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 05:16 PM
Lamb sets them down in order in the 4th.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 05:19 PM
Leadoff double by Cabrera! Thought about the triple, but pulled the chute at 2nd.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 05:22 PM
Cabrera stranded at 2nd.

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 05:27 PM
Strikeout #9 for Lamb as the second out in the 5th. Ties his career high in a game.

Chris Welsh pointed out he's essentially eliminated the cutter he was throwing a lot earlier this year.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 05:28 PM
Conley with a two-out infield single off Lamb's glove.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 05:33 PM
And there is some horrible D from Jay. Amazingly bad.

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 05:34 PM
Oh Jay...

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Man, all because Conley kept the two out AB alive and Lamb couldn't field that ball.

Puig Your Red
07-09-2016, 05:34 PM
Jay Bruce is a good fielder, guys

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 05:34 PM
Wow. That was bad defense in RF by Bruce.

Jay misplays the fly ball into a two-run double by Prado.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 05:35 PM
Baseball scoring rules are so stupid. That should absolutely be an error on Bruce. What's the rationale for ruling that a hit? Because Jay didn't touch the ball? He wasn't even close, even though a good RF would have caught it with ease.

So, that play was pretty much the definition of an "error." But because MLB is stuck in its old ways it's ruled a double and no one thinks twice about it. Error all the way.

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 05:35 PM
Prado with the luckiest 'double' and 'triple' today

PuffyPig
07-09-2016, 05:37 PM
But because MLB is stuck in its old ways it's ruled a double and no one thinks twice about it.

I believe you just referred to yourself as "no one".

Ironman92
07-09-2016, 05:40 PM
With two outs...the Bruce gaffe was critical. 2 runs on him

BluegrassRedleg
07-09-2016, 05:42 PM
Wow. That was bad defense in RF by Bruce.

Jay misplays the fly ball into a two-run double by Prado.

But his OBP just blows Duvall away. /deadpan

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 05:44 PM
But his OBP just blows Duvall away. /deadpanDuvall has made some uggo plays in the outfield too.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 05:46 PM
Baseball scoring rules are so stupid. That should absolutely be an error on Bruce. What's the rationale for ruling that a hit? Because Jay didn't touch the ball? He wasn't even close, even though a good RF would have caught it with ease.

So, that play was pretty much the definition of an "error." But because MLB is stuck in its old ways it's ruled a double and no one thinks twice about it. Error all the way.

No, unfortunately for Lamb, that is correctly ruled a hit. Sometimes a fielder misplays a ball so badly that there is no opportunity to charge an error. (In other words, he made such a mental miscue that there was no opportunity to make a play.) As you said, "He wasn't even close." Therefore, he couldn't make a chance on the play. In such instances, the only ruling is "hit".

BluegrassRedleg
07-09-2016, 05:50 PM
I thought that pitch was going to land about 550 feet from where it connected to the bat.

BluegrassRedleg
07-09-2016, 05:51 PM
Duvall has made some uggo plays in the outfield too.

Let he without uggo cast the first cutter.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 05:53 PM
According to Chris, THom is set to return shortly after the All-Star Break.

In my mind, he will have a new voice following the surgery...maybe something like Pee Wee Herman's.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 05:57 PM
Ozuna picked off and caught stealing! 1-3-6-3-1-4 CS!

Cozart dropped the ball, but Votto and JUMBO! were alert and able to keep the rundown going until DatDude could catch Ozuna!

Ironman92
07-09-2016, 06:03 PM
It won't be long until Phillips is back in the cleanup spot

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 06:07 PM
It won't be long until Phillips is back in the cleanup spot
He hasn't had an extra base hit since June 25th.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 06:07 PM
My friends, do you ever have a beer or two too many on a Saturday and have to change to a Diet Mountain Dew just to keep yourself awake?

Oh, that's just me?

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 06:08 PM
My friends, do you ever have a beer or two too many on a Saturday and have to change to a Diet Mountain Dew just to keep yourself awake?

Oh, that's just me?

I think that's just you.

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 06:08 PM
My friends, do you ever have a beer or two too many on a Saturday and have to change to a Diet Mountain Dew just to keep yourself awake?

Oh, that's just me?
Happens to the best of us.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 06:09 PM
No, unfortunately for Lamb, that is correctly ruled a hit. Sometimes a fielder misplays a ball so badly that there is no opportunity to charge an error. (In other words, he made such a mental miscue that there was no opportunity to make a play.) As you said, "He wasn't even close." Therefore, he couldn't make a chance on the play. In such instances, the only ruling is "hit".

Right, I get that. My point is that reasoning is absurd. It should be an "error" when a player makes a clear error like Bruce did. The only rationale for ruling that a "hit" is "That's the way we've always done it in MLB."

That's poor reasoning, IMO.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 06:10 PM
Happens to the best of us.

I think I need to Shake It Off.

Ironman92
07-09-2016, 06:11 PM
He hasn't had an extra base hit since June 25th.

214 AB without a HR

He'll be batting cleanup within the next 7 games

Ironman92
07-09-2016, 06:12 PM
Crazy great throw by Osuna to nail Phillips at 3rd. It took a perfect throw and he did just that.

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 06:12 PM
Ivan the Jesus pinch hit double, 2nd and 3rd with two outs for Cozart.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 06:13 PM
I think that's just you.

Whateves Eric Stratton. You of all people should understand.

Ironman92
07-09-2016, 06:14 PM
Phillips 9/26 batting 6th

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 06:15 PM
Cozart bobble head day next Saturday. Traded on Sunday?

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 06:16 PM
#drunj

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 06:17 PM
Bobblehead Cozy grounds out, Reds can't come through.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 06:20 PM
Michael Lorenzen lifts weights. Heavy ones. Dude is ripped.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 06:20 PM
Right, I get that. My point is that reasoning is absurd. It should be an "error" when a player makes a clear error like Bruce did. The only rationale for ruling that a "hit" is "That's the way we've always done it in MLB."

That's poor reasoning, IMO.

I think first we have to define what an error is. An error is when a fielder fails to make a play on a ball on which he had a chance to make one. In this case, Bruce was unable to even put himself in a position where making a play was possible. Therefore, he was unable to "fail" because there was no chance. Admittedly, a possible (and likely most probable) reason that he wasn't in position was because he ran the wrong route. But that's a mental mistake (the mythical "mental error" that so many coaches and managers talk about), and not a physical error.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 06:23 PM
Whateves Eric Stratton. You of all people should understand.

Shake it off, dude. :)

Besides, in how many scenes of the legendary film "Animal House" do you see the Rush Chairman of Delta House intoxicated? :D

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 06:24 PM
I think first we have to define what an error is. An error is when a fielder fails to make a play on a ball on which he had a chance to play. In this case, Bruce was unable to even put himself in a position where making a play was possible. Therefore, he was unable to "fail" because there was no chance. Admittedly, a possible (and likely most probable) reason that he wasn't in position was because he ran the wrong route. But that's a mental mistake (the mythical "mental error" that so many coaches and managers talk about), and not a physical error.

This is where we strongly disagree. Bruce was absolutely able to put himself in position to make the play -- most right fielders would have made the play with ease. Bruce wasn't able to do that for whatever reason and looked ridiculous in the process. It's not like he lost the ball in the sun or lights. That might be different. But that's not what we're talking about here.

It should be an "error" ... the old-school MLB rules just say it's not.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 06:26 PM
Shake it off, dude. :)

Besides, in how many scenes of the legendary film "Animal House" do you see the Rush Chairman of Delta House intoxicated? :D

True. He was in the process of trying to hook up 100 percent of the time. I can respect that angle. He even had a thing for cougars (before they were "cougars").

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 06:31 PM
Just chugged 2 Diet Mtn Dews. I'm back in biz.

Single for Joseph Votto.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 06:34 PM
Nice swinging "bunt" by Jay (not a bunt). Votto on second, two down.

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 06:36 PM
Fudge

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 06:38 PM
This is where we strongly disagree. Bruce was absolutely able to put himself in position to make the play -- most right fielders would have made the play with ease. Bruce wasn't able to do that for whatever reason and looked ridiculous in the process. It's not like he lost the ball in the sun or lights. That might be different. But that's not what we're talking about here.

It should be an "error" ... the old-school MLB rules just say it's not.

The only thing is, we can't judge him on what most rightfielders would do, or even what he himself would do in a different situation. We can only judge him on that play. And on that play he was unable to even put himself in position to make a chance. Therefore, since there was no chance, there is no error. It's unfortunate, because he obviously made a mental mistake.

Keeping a scorebook in an official capacity is obviously subjective, but I like to think that I am fair-minded about it.

(I have also coached at the HS level, and though I understood that mental mistakes were often not ruled as errors, mistakes like those would drive us nuts. You can rest assured that the staff is likely very irate over it. In fact, mental mistakes like those often bother coaches more than actual errors do.)

Ironman92
07-09-2016, 06:44 PM
8th inning pitching SMH

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 06:45 PM
Lorenzen walks the first two batters and then strikes out Yelich on 3 pitches. Go figure.


Stanton's bat shatters but dies a hero with a single up the middle to score another run.

BluegrassRedleg
07-09-2016, 06:46 PM
WWH

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And, once again, HORRIFIC location from a Reds pitcher to a really capable hitter. He's lucky that wasn't a 3-run bomb.

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 06:48 PM
Ichiro is over, brother. He could sell out the Tokyo Dome.

Tom Servo
07-09-2016, 06:50 PM
I see things to really like about Lorenzen as a reliever, think he just needs more experience.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 06:51 PM
An Edgar Renteria sighting? I almost forgot that dude even played for the Reds.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 06:56 PM
Ichiro is over, brother. He could sell out the Tokyo Dome.

The Reds' version of the Four Horsemen (Votto, Bruce, Phillips, and Cozart) would bust a chair over his head.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 07:00 PM
Price with a tactical error here. If he is going to pinch-run for Cabrera with Holt (a correct move IMO), then he should use the switch-hitting Barnhart as the pinch-hitter for Lorenzen, as Tucker would have to enter the game anyway if the Reds tie or take the lead.

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 07:03 PM
On pace for 59-103.

Raisor
07-09-2016, 07:07 PM
The Reds' version of the Four Horsemen (Votto, Bruce, Phillips, and Cozart) would bust a chair over his head.

Votto: Ric Flair (super heel MVP)
Bruce: Barry Windham (Second banana)
Phillips/Cozart: Tull & Arn (Double play combo/Tag Champs)

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 07:13 PM
Votto: Ric Flair (super heel MVP)
Bruce: Barry Windham (Second banana)
Phillips/Cozart: Tull & Arn (Double play combo/Tag Champs)

Exactly! We are on the same wavelength! :thumbup:

Raisor
07-09-2016, 07:15 PM
Exactly! We are on the same wavelength! :thumbup:

And Tom Servo is Paul Roma

Ironman92
07-09-2016, 07:21 PM
Big Klu....wondering if you could start doing a Reds Career Triples update each time Jay Bruce triples?

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 07:32 PM
The only thing is, we can't judge him on what most rightfielders would do, or even what he himself would do in a different situation. We can only judge him on that play. And on that play he was unable to even put himself in position to make a chance. Therefore, since there was no chance, there is no error. It's unfortunate, because he obviously made a mental mistake.

Keeping a scorebook in an official capacity is obviously subjective, but I like to think that I am fair-minded about it.

(I have also coached at the HS level, and though I understood that mental mistakes were often not ruled as errors, mistakes like those would drive us nuts. You can rest assured that the staff is likely very irate over it. In fact, mental mistakes like those often bother coaches more than actual errors do.)

Oh, I know. My HS baseball coach would make us run one lap around the field for every "mental error" committed during practice. Physical errors? Nada. He knew that was part of the game. Mental errors made him crazy.

My contention is that if an outfielder makes that bad of a mental error, it should be ruled as an "error."

Chuckie
07-09-2016, 07:34 PM
On pace for 59-103.

Boom! Need another Nick Senzel type in the first round of the 2017 draft (just hopefully an OF).

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 07:36 PM
Big Klu....wondering if you could start doing a Reds Career Triples update each time Jay Bruce triples?

He's seven away from cracking the Top 50.

Raisor
07-09-2016, 07:40 PM
He's seven away from cracking the Top 50.

so about two weeks?

Big Klu
07-09-2016, 07:42 PM
so about two weeks?

Maybe two and a half. Remember that there is a four-day All-Star Break included in there.