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princeton
04-24-2002, 11:54 AM
according to Bowden, Gullett predicted 12-14 wins for Jimmy Haynes this year

to which I replied, if Jimmy Haynes wins 14, Gullett deserves sainthood

Jimmy got win number two yesterday

gonelong
04-24-2002, 12:25 PM
12 Ws would be amazing
14 Ws and Gullett would get my vote for sainthood

I am sure Gullet was taking into account the bullpen Haynes would have behind him. :)

GL

Falls City Beer
04-24-2002, 12:28 PM
I'd wager my firstborn that Jimmy Haynes does not reach 14 wins.

Optimistika
04-24-2002, 02:26 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Falls City Beer:
<strong>I'd wager my firstborn that Jimmy Haynes does not reach 14 wins.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">SOMEBODY WRITE THAT DOWN! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

westofyou
04-24-2002, 02:28 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I'd wager my firstborn that Jimmy Haynes does not reach 14 wins. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well I could use some help in the garden.

Are we talking about a "real live" strong kid?

or just a glint in your eye?

BCubb2003
04-24-2002, 02:32 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Falls City Beer:
<strong>I'd wager my firstborn that Jimmy Haynes does not reach 14 wins.

--------------------
We're off to the land of hot middle-aged women.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">By the way, where is this land and what happens when you get there?

Barbarossa
04-24-2002, 06:41 PM
Gullett deserves "Sainthood"?
Bowden says Rijo's comeback is "Biblical"?
We're seeing the "Resurrection" of several washed up pitchers?

What's going on here? <img border="0" alt="[Beer Me]" title="" src="graemlins/beerme.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Beer Me]" title="" src="graemlins/beerme.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Beer Me]" title="" src="graemlins/beerme.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Beer Me]" title="" src="graemlins/beerme.gif" />

CrackerJack
04-24-2002, 07:54 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">We're off to the land of hot middle-aged women.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think he's referring to Mayberry.

westofyou
04-24-2002, 09:40 PM
Andy likes Mayberry too.

<img src="http://www.deniceduff.com/images/andy1.gif" alt="" />

Falls City Beer
04-24-2002, 09:42 PM
Good stuff, WOY.

No, the line is from a catchy little ditty; it's not my motto. I like it though.

red-in-la
04-24-2002, 10:29 PM
My only concern over Haynes having 14 wins is that he would also have 22 losses.

LaRue Fan
04-24-2002, 10:30 PM
Before you make any wager for Fall City Beer's 1st born, remember.....the apple does not fall far from the tree. <img border="0" alt="[Rollin]" title="" src="graemlins/roll.gif" />

15fan
05-16-2002, 11:32 AM
3 & counting for Jimmy...

guernsey
05-16-2002, 12:11 PM
At the rate of one win every three weeks, Don is doomed to purgatory!

15fan
05-30-2002, 11:58 PM
For those of you keeping score at home, Jimmy now has five (5) wins.

(And it ain't even June yet...)

<small>[ 05-30-2002, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: 15fan ]</small>

red-in-la
05-31-2002, 12:01 AM
And five losses.....count ALL the pertinent info please....FCB's kid is at stake here.

JaxRed
05-31-2002, 12:08 AM
His kid is rooting for 14 wins. :p

Red Hot Reds
05-31-2002, 03:08 AM
What the heck am I going to do with a kid? I want a car or a boat or something.

Old Red Guard
05-31-2002, 03:59 AM
I think this is the funniest thread I've ever read - even funnier than when first posted. Sorry, FC, I have enough kids, and grandkids, and great grandkids. I could use a bottle of Viagra, though. And someone to test it on. <img border="0" alt="[Devil]" title="" src="graemlins/devil.gif" />

SirFelixCat
05-31-2002, 04:04 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> His kid is rooting for 14 wins.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><img border="0" alt="[Laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />

ForLoveOfTheGame
05-31-2002, 06:25 AM
I want in on this little bet. If Jimmy gets 15 wins, I want to know that FCB will not have anymore children :D

Falls City Beer
05-31-2002, 11:27 AM
Man, y'all are cruel. Hey, my wife's an optimist. :p

princeton
06-06-2002, 04:49 PM
looking bad for number one son

looking good for my hero, Don Gullett

Stormy
06-06-2002, 04:53 PM
I think Gully has handled Haynes beautifully, and that Boone and Gully have more often than not pulled the plug on the questionables in the exact perfect spot in the 5+IP range to save them from worse damage. However, I've wondered about this thread from day #1. Haynes is less than 2 years removed from 12 wins with the hapless Brewers, why should an additional win earn anyone Sainthood? He actually had almost the exact same ERA last year that he has coming into today's game. Same hit, walk, K ratios, IPs per start. Almost no change.

What exactly is the difference that merits Sainthood?

<small>[ 06-06-2002, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: Red Storm ]</small>

15fan
06-06-2002, 05:24 PM
Jimmy gets win #6 on 6/6.

Strange and powerful forces are at work here...

princeton
06-06-2002, 05:28 PM
I see what you mean: I'm constantly predicting 14 wins out of guys with career ERAs of 5.44

(divine knowledge?)

BTW, one thing that's interesting about Haynes this year is that in the past, he has had very good stuff. And lost with it, consistently. This year, the stuff is not there. So I'm confused-- if you take good stuff away from a loser, how does he suddenly become a potential 14 game winner?

makes you wonder how he's going to pitch if his stuff returns? Better? or worse?

Jimmy Haynes-- this is one guy that I'd never care to project.

JaxRed
06-06-2002, 05:30 PM
"Jimmy Haynes-- this is one guy that I'd never care to project."

You mean again? :cool:

remdog
06-06-2002, 05:38 PM
Let's hope that we don't have to wait till 7/7 for Jimmy to get win # 7! :p

Rem

gm
06-06-2002, 05:49 PM
But if he were to get win #10 on 10/10, I could live with that :p

Mike de la Hoz
06-06-2002, 05:54 PM
Haynes a Hoz favorite in the winter is doing OK

princeton
06-06-2002, 05:54 PM
after all, what is sainthood? at least 4 miracles?

miracle 1: wins pour out of waiver claim Schourek like water from the rock struck by the (head of the) staff?

miracle 2: Jeff Brantley, once blind to the strike zone, now he could see?

miracle 3: Jeff Shaw, once water, now wine?

miracle 4: Jimmy Haynes' win total miraculously multiplies, like loaves and fish, to feed the hungry masses?

Krusty
06-06-2002, 06:09 PM
Haynes could very well end up with a 14-13 to 16-14 record. He is our version of former Texas pitcher and current Diamondback Rick Helling. Give him the run support and he will be the benficiary of a win.

Hoosier Red
06-06-2002, 10:43 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by princeton:
[QB]after all, what is sainthood? at least 4 miracles?

miracle 3: Jeff Shaw, once water, now wine?

QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well I don't know about the other three but Jeff Shaw certainly was wining a bit this year.
"I won't play for under 3.5 million a year."
"Really, I can pitch, but I'm just going to take my ball and go home"

just kidding, don't everyone get excited.

15fan
06-12-2002, 12:12 AM
Reds up 8-2, going to the 9th.

FCB, looks like you'll soon be on the hook for 1/2 a kid.

Has anyone checked to see if Jimmy's using the same locker that Jack Armstrong used in 1990?

And princeton - how long 'til we start discussing whether Haynes is a "stopper"?

oregonred
06-12-2002, 04:37 AM
This thread is classic and hoping to see it reappear every 5th day after another splendid Haynes outing. <img border="0" alt="[Laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />

Saint Don or Saint Donald ??

gonelong
06-12-2002, 11:18 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by oregonred:
<strong>This thread is classic and hoping to see it reappear every 5th day after another splendid Haynes outing. <img border="0" alt="[Laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />

Saint Don or Saint Donald ??</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I hope to see it often as well.

St. Donald, the patron saint of wayward pitching mechanics.

GL

SirFelixCat
06-27-2002, 05:42 AM
Heheheh...umm fellas, only 6 to go now...and RILA, it's 8 wins and only 6 losses. At this rate, Haynes finishes with 16 or 17 wins. Oh, and I like Saint Don fellas :p

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> His kid is rooting for 14 wins.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">BTW FCB, how old is he? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Still one of the funnier threads on the site.

Man I'd like to see us have to crown Gullet "Saint Don"...is there anyone here who wouldn't???

We win tomorrow and we'll have a FANTASTIC start on the road trip heading into the Redbirds nest.

Go REDS! <img border="0" alt="[Beer Me]" title="" src="graemlins/beerme.gif" />

GAC
06-27-2002, 10:48 AM
I say Jimmy easily gets #9 before the All-Star break <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ! His performance on the mound is not exactly a thing of beauty to watch, but he does get the job done.

Me thinks you're going down FCB!! <img border="0" alt="[Laughing]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />

Chip R
06-27-2002, 11:01 AM
OK, what I want to know is if FCB's kid just goes to one of us or does everyone get a turn with him, like they do with the Stanley Cup? WoY's got grden work for him to do, GAC can have him a couple of days and have him on mole patrol. Creek can have him do stuff around the house for her for a few days. I'm sure most of the Zoners here have some chores for the young man to do. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

cincinnati chili
06-27-2002, 11:36 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by princeton:
<strong>I see what you mean: I'm constantly predicting 14 wins out of guys with career ERAs of 5.44

(divine knowledge?)

BTW, one thing that's interesting about Haynes this year is that in the past, he has had very good stuff. And lost with it, consistently. This year, the stuff is not there. So I'm confused-- if you take good stuff away from a loser, how does he suddenly become a potential 14 game winner?

makes you wonder how he's going to pitch if his stuff returns? Better? or worse?

Jimmy Haynes-- this is one guy that I'd never care to project.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I hate to be the voice of reason in this humorous thread, but I don't think Jimmy is going to make 14 wins. Princeton is onto something here. Haynes has not had particularly good stuff. He's just been a lot more LUCKY than in previous years.

Prior to his start Wednesday, his support neutral record was 4.3 wins and 5.6 losses. His actual record was 7-6.

<a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/current/snwlreport02.html" target="_blank">http://www.baseballprospectus.com/current/snwlreport02.html</a>

He is just about #1 in the league (see the same link above) in the category of "Starters most helped by their relievers (ranked by Bullpen Support)."

In other words, I wouldn't have bet my first born on it... but the safe money says Jimmy won't make it to 14 even if he improves his command slightly.

<small>[ 06-27-2002, 09:37 AM: Message edited by: cincinnati chili ]</small>

red-in-la
06-27-2002, 12:54 PM
SC, we are about to enter July....a very unfriendly month for Jimmy in the past....his career ERA goes up by over half a run next month.

We will see.

princeton
07-01-2002, 10:44 PM
bump

might be needing this one again...

15fan
07-02-2002, 12:19 AM
So, um, who exactly do we contact in the Vatican? Does John Paul II handle this beatification stuff directly, or does he have some staff or a committee that does the initial legwork?

Jimmy Haynes will get a shot at win #10 against the Brewers. Yes, Jimmy Haynes could have 10 wins at the all star break.

In Don We Trust.

Steve4192
07-02-2002, 02:13 AM
Forget about Jimmy pitching, can he play SS/3B on his off days?

3-1-3-2 with a double? Talk about helping your own cause!

Red Hot Reds
07-02-2002, 02:30 AM
If Haynes gets 17 wins, he should BE the Pope.

Old Red Guard
07-02-2002, 10:19 AM
I am planning a grotto to Saint Don in my yard...can I have FCB's kid for a couple days to haul the rocks?

<small>[ 07-02-2002, 08:19 AM: Message edited by: Old Red Guard ]</small>

RFS62
07-02-2002, 10:30 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Old Red Guard:
<strong>I am planning a grotto to Saint Don in my yard...can I have FCB's kid for a couple days to haul the rocks?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You'll have to check with Princeton first, ORG. I believe he's handling the scheduling. I've got him for 4 days next month while we're adding a deck.

RedFanAlways1966
07-06-2002, 11:58 PM
Bump. Win #10 on July 6th. 4 more to go. Rumor has it that the Catholic Church is preparing the paperwork for Gullet's annointment. :cool:

red-in-la
07-07-2002, 12:08 AM
Please leave the Church out of this.

RedFanAlways1966
07-07-2002, 12:21 AM
Sorry, rila! :)

Here's to reality going against all your "Jimmy-predictions" so far. That long skid gets bumped back again! The REDS love to score when he has pitched lately (8, 7 and 6 runs).

I know what you have been saying was a safer bet (and I too felt that way), but Shine On You Crazy Diamond... Jimmy Haynes! Like a diamond in the rough maybe? GO Jimmy and REDS!

15fan
07-07-2002, 12:26 AM
NL pitchers with at least 10 wins in 2002:

Schilling, Johnson, Glavine, Ishii, Perez, Padilla, Morris, Haynes.

D-Man
07-07-2002, 01:15 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 15fan:
<strong>NL pitchers with at least 10 wins in 2002:

Schilling, Johnson, Glavine, Ishii, Perez, Padilla, Morris, Haynes.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Two words--Kent Bottenfield. . .

What are the chances that the Reds could get a Jim Edmonds-like player, much like the Cards did when they traded Bottenfield after his 18-win season?

paintmered
07-07-2002, 01:56 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> So, um, who exactly do we contact in the Vatican? Does John Paul II handle this beatification stuff directly, or does he have some staff or a committee that does the initial legwork? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">There's a rather large committee that looks extensively into the life of the candidate. We would have to wait until he's dead, but once Don is, the process can begin. Then miracles can be determined and authenticated (I think he needs two, maybe four). If he's lucky, he could be canonized before the year 2100. Hey, it took Padre Pio 34 years after he died and he was a shoe-in. :D

And just an observation from my recent trip to the Vatican: John Paul II looks very ill. The cardinals very well could be locking themselves in the Sistine Chapel shortly.

<small>[ 07-07-2002, 12:05 AM: Message edited by: paintmered ]</small>

westofyou
07-07-2002, 02:01 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> (I think he needs two, maybe four) </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">He's probably seen Danny Graves piercings.

Think that might count as one?

westofyou
07-08-2002, 05:35 PM
Jimmy is treading on sacred ground.

Since 1900 only 14 pitchers have started 25 games, won 16 and had an era above 4.44

Currenty Jimmy has 18 starts, 10 wins and an ERA of 4.44

Could he be on this list?

YEAR ERA GS W
1 Jack Powell 1900 4.44 37 17
2 Robin Roberts 1956 4.45 37 19
3 Steve Blass 1969 4.46 32 16
4 Garrett Stephenson 2000 4.49 31 16
5 Lon Warneke 1937 4.52 33 18
6 Erv Brame 1929 4.54 28 16
7 Burleigh Grimes 1922 4.69 34 17
8 Erv Brame 1930 4.73 29 17
9 Phil Collins 1930 4.78 25 16
10 Scott Elarton 2000 4.81 4.81 30 17
11 Kevin Tapani 1998 4.85 4.85 34 19
12 Ray Kremer 1930 5.02 5.02 38 20
13 Pedro Astacio 1999 5.04 5.04 34 17
14 Kevin Ritz 1996 5.28 5.28 35 17

gm
07-08-2002, 06:54 PM
(Leaving all seriousness aside...)

Better to make Don a "saint" rather than a priest or a bishop

(Reason? He couldn't be trusted with the young pitchers)

15fan
07-08-2002, 07:16 PM
Hey woy - didja notice that 5 of those 14 (over 1/3) have turned the trick since 1996? And all 5 of those guys did it in the NL.

(Hello, Coors Field.)

Back to the subject... FCB, how about a few more wagers, please. You could ante up your 2nd born if Junior plays in every game the rest of the year, your 3rd born if Danny Graves doesn't blow any more saves, etc.

westofyou
07-08-2002, 07:40 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Hey woy - didja notice that 5 of those 14 (over 1/3) have turned the trick since 1996? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeppers and the 1900 is a year after contraction. The ones between 1922 and 1937 are in the midst of the first offensive explosion and Steve Blass is pitching the year the mound was dropped (2.33 worse than the prior year, 2 less wins)

Robin Roberts is the one that leaps out at me, his first plus 4.00 era of his career with a team that finishes under .500 and he wins 19 of his teams 71 victories.

15fan
07-18-2002, 05:34 PM
I know everyone is worked up over a potential trade with the Marlins, but thought this should be brought back up to the top.

Tonight (7/11/02), Cincinnati "Ace" Jimmy Haynes takes his second stab at W #11.

Go get 'em Jimmah!

Chip R
07-18-2002, 05:38 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 15fan:
<strong>Tonight (7/11/02), Cincinnati "Ace" Jimmy Haynes takes his second stab at W #11.

Go get 'em Jimmah!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Now why did you go and do that for? Last time I called him "Ace" he got beat. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

TRF
07-18-2002, 05:41 PM
Ace is the wrong term.

Stopper is a better one. And if it weren't for what is proving to be a pitiful offense, he'd have at least 4 more wins right now.

even with a 4.23 era.

15fan
07-18-2002, 05:43 PM
Well, Chip, maybe the problem was not what was said, but instead was who said it. :p

And, um, today would be 7/18/02.

(Good thing I don't work with numbers.) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Chip R
07-18-2002, 05:54 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by 15fan:
<strong>Well, Chip, maybe the problem was not what was said, but instead was who said it. :p
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><img src="http://www.tulsahockey.com/forum/images/smiles/moon.gif" alt="" />

Chip R
07-24-2002, 01:41 AM
bump

Old Red Guard
07-24-2002, 02:13 AM
inre WestofYou's list: If Haynes ends up being as good as Lon Warnecke, Burleigh Grimes, Phil Collins or Robin Roberts, I'd dance a jig nude in Fountain Square for my 75th birthday in 2004.

inre: red-in-la and Hayne's horrible July's: Looks like the historical numbers don't always indicate what a guy will do - so far his July's looking pretty good.

1 more win in July, 3 in August and 3 in September would add up to 18! That's very realistic at this point and if it happens, Jimmy has just priced himself out of Cincinnati ala Burba, Schourek, Wells et al.

15fan
07-24-2002, 09:32 AM
Would Junior & Larkin would defer some more money so that the Reds can ink Don Gullett to a long-term contract?

In Don We Trust.

SirFelixCat
07-25-2002, 04:59 AM
Only 3 more FCB...Creek, you need help around the house right? FCB has just the person for ya <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

creek14
07-25-2002, 09:06 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SC Reds Fans:
<strong>Only 3 more FCB...Creek, you need help around the house right? FCB has just the person for ya <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">But he is potty trained? No, not FCB! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

guernsey
07-26-2002, 11:22 AM
An article from the Columbus Dispatch on Haynes today. Once again it seems like a little tinkering from Gully made a world of difference.

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Castoff Haynes could see big payoff
Friday, July 26, 2002
Jim Massie
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

CINCINNATI -- The Milwaukee Brewers weren't exactly awash in pitching talent last December when they decided to throw Jimmy Haynes overboard.

The Brewers, of course, had more than 2 million reasons to say aloha to Haynes. The lanky right-hander had posted a lackluster 8-17 record in 2001 but still was likely to see his $2.2 million salary swell in an arbitration hearing.

Milwaukee general manager Dean Taylor considered Haynes' inconsistent on-the-field numbers and concluded that offering arbitration to the five-year veteran would not be "financially prudent.'' Directions to the plank followed and Haynes had no choice but to walk it.

He splashed around until bargain-hunting Reds general manager Jim Bowden trolled along in the organizational row boat. Bowden tossed out a life preserver and Haynes happily grabbed ahold.

Four months into the season, the eventual $500,000 acquistion by Bowden has proved to be a godsend for the Reds and Haynes. He will take an 11-6 record into the 1:10 p.m. game Sunday against the New York Mets in Shea Stadium and has revived his career in the process.

"There were a few, maybe six or seven other teams interested in me,'' Haynes said. "But Cincinnati was the logical choice. A lot of the other places were pitching-rich already. So I knew coming here I'd have a better chance to make the team.''

He also had two valuable allies on the inside. Reds manager Bob Boone and pitching coach Don Gullett had seen enough potential from Haynes to lobby Bowden to invite him to spring training.

"Gully and I saw it last year,'' Boone said. "And we saw it in the spring. He didn't really have a great spring, but you could tell that he had experience and knew what he wanted to do. It's like you've had (five) years in the big leagues with 200 innings every year, now it's time to start learning what you're doing.''

Haynes has worked this year to sharpen his breaking ball and make the pitch what it was touted to be as he came up as a hot prospect through the Baltimore and Oakland organizations.

"This year we talked about throwing my curveball a little bit sharper and a little bit harder,'' Haynes said. "I've been doing that so far. I've been trying to get on front with it and get it to bite a little bit more.''

The growing consistency with that pitch is one reason he has won eight of his last nine decisions.

"Early in the year we were getting a good inning followed by a poor inning,'' Boone said. "We'd see his stuff starting to fall off. Now he's making good pitch after pitch and his velocity is lasting longer.''

With 62 games left in the season, Haynes should have at least 12 more starts and an outside shot at 20 wins. The turnaround means that much more lucrative waters probably lie ahead.

"I think he's in line for a pretty big raise,'' Boone said.

That would mean staying or leaving under his own terms this time.

"We'll see,'' Haynes said. "I mean I would like to stay here. We've got great team chemistry. But I've got awhile to think about that. I'm just going to keep doing what I've been doing here. With negotiations going on in the labor stuff, there might not be any talks anyway. Who knows?''
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gm
07-26-2002, 01:26 PM
"If Haynes ends up being as good as Lon Warnecke, Burleigh Grimes, Phil Collins..."

Would that be Phil Collins "former lead singer of Genesis" or the Phil Collins from Groundhog Day?

Red Hot Reds
07-27-2002, 01:48 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Old Red Guard:
<strong>If Haynes ends up being as good as Lon Warnecke, Burleigh Grimes, Phil Collins or Robin Roberts, I'd dance a jig nude in Fountain Square for my 75th birthday in 2004.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Ummm, do you have a teenage granddaughter that could do it for you?

Red Hot Reds
07-27-2002, 02:19 AM
If we want to make this official, we could order the Sainthood Certificate from the Universal Life Church. It costs $10.

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<small>[ 07-27-2002, 12:35 AM: Message edited by: Red Hot Reds ]</small>

GIK
08-04-2002, 01:58 AM
Looks like St. Don was right.

#12

:beerme:

Barbarossa
08-04-2002, 02:35 AM
Maybe someone can rig up a picture of St Don with a halo and looking real pious, blessing his "pupils".:beerme:

fielder's choice
08-04-2002, 01:24 PM
1. C. Schilling ARI 18
2. R. Johnson ARI 15
3. B. Colon MON 14
4. T. Glavine ATL 14
5. J. Haynes CIN 12

Who woulda thunk it? :lol:

Barbarossa
08-04-2002, 01:45 PM
Would't it be interesting to see the salarys of those pitchers along side their records? Bowden, Boone and Gullette all deserve credit in bring in Jimmy.:beerme:

red-in-la
08-08-2002, 08:30 PM
And holding....

Jimmy had the chance to be the STOPPER today...but it didn't work out.

Not blaming him or anything, he still gave it a pretty good go....but Coors has an affect on even the best pitchers.

Anyway, though I would bring this one back to the top just to be consistent.

RedFanAlways1966
08-08-2002, 10:03 PM
Thanks for reminding me red-in-la!


Originally posted by red-in-la: SC, we are about to enter July....a very unfriendly month for Jimmy in the past....his career ERA goes up by over half a run next month.

Jimmy Haynes, July 2002

6 GS
3-0, 3.44 ERA
36.2 IP, 38 H, 16 BB, 20 K, only 2 HR allowed!

Career ERA = 5.34

3.44 - 5.34 = -1.90!!

Wow! :eek:

red-in-la
08-08-2002, 11:41 PM
Yeah, I agree '66, Jimmy is finally throwing his famous curveball for strikes and I think he has turned the corner.

It will be interesting to see if Bowden keeps him beyond this season.

15fan
08-29-2002, 04:01 PM
You know, I think this whole labor mess is FCB's doing. If MLB shuts down for the rest of '02, Jimmy gets stuck at 13 wins and FCB hangs on to his kid.

remdog
08-29-2002, 04:20 PM
Wouldn't it be ironic if a life of indentured servitude were saved by Millionairs going on strike!?! :roll:

Never the less, someone knew what he was talkin' about when he predicted 14 wins. Strike or no strike......

Rem

15fan
09-08-2002, 05:55 PM
It's official:

Jimmy Haynes - 14 wins.

FCB - one less kid.

:roll:

Oh yeah - and from now on, it's Saint Don.

SirFelixCat
09-08-2002, 06:05 PM
Saint Don it is :lol: :lol: :lol:

Red Hot Reds
09-08-2002, 07:05 PM
Let's make FCB's former kid the bat boy next year.

KittyDuran
09-08-2002, 09:40 PM
His last reply to this thread was over 3 months ago (page 1).

Hey FCB - how's the kid taking this momentous occasion?:evilgrin:

TheBurn
09-09-2002, 12:25 PM
--FCB

I'd wager my firstborn that Jimmy Haynes does not reach 14 wins.

There it is...:evilgrin:

oregonred
09-10-2002, 02:13 AM
Simply one of the most entertaining threads in the history of this esteemed forum! :beerme: