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Puffy
01-04-2005, 05:35 PM
Who wins tonights BCS Championship game??

I say USC by 9 points, 33-24.

MWM
01-04-2005, 05:39 PM
USC wins by 10.

Another pet peeve: when all these national college football analysts say with complete definitivenes (is that a word) that these are the two best teams in the country and basically implying that Auburn has nothing to complain about. Seriously, I had to turn the TV off, I couldn't watch the coverage any longer. No one knows THAT MUCH about football that the can offer anything more than an opinon by watching these teams play completely different schedules all year long. No one knows for sure and Auburn deerves a shot at the title.

Red Leader
01-04-2005, 05:42 PM
Notre Dame wins by 28, at least. :p:

WVRed
01-04-2005, 05:42 PM
USC by 3. Oklahoma will keep it close since Reggie Bush will be in one certain position tonight.

WVRed
01-04-2005, 05:43 PM
USC wins by 10.

Another pet peeve: when all these national college football analysts say with complete definitivenes (is that a word) that these are the two best teams in the country and basically implying that Auburn has nothing to complain about. Seriously, I had to turn the TV off, I couldn't watch the coverage any longer. No one knows THAT MUCH about football that the can offer anything more than an opinon by watching these teams play completely different schedules all year long. No one knows for sure and Auburn deerves a shot at the title.

Just like USC last year and Oregon the year before.

Puffy
01-04-2005, 05:45 PM
Just like USC last year and Oregon the year before.

And who were the beneficiaries each time? Oklahoma, Oklahoma and Nebraska. Big 12, Big 12, Big 12.

I hate the Big 12.

jmcclain19
01-04-2005, 05:46 PM
Ditka 345, OU 12

Danny Serafini
01-04-2005, 05:47 PM
I'm cheering for USC, but really only because I'll win $50 in my friend's bowl pool if they win. ;) But even if there was no money on the line I'd pick USC in a rout, I think they're that much better than Oklahoma. I'd have rather seen a USC/Auburn matchup.

RedFanAlways1966
01-04-2005, 05:47 PM
USC big. Too bad the game loses credibility as a "National Championship" w/ me since an SEC team finished 13-0. And I am not an SEC fan.

I do not like USC or Okla.. My distaste for Oklahoma is greater though. Blame it on Barry Switzer, Brian Bosworth and all the other thugs that program used to have. USC... mainly do not like them b/c of the old 70's/80's days when it was Big Ten vs. Pac Ten in the Rose Bowl. But that was longer ago than the Oklahoma thug thing.

WAR EAGLE!! :dflynn:

jmcclain19
01-04-2005, 05:48 PM
And who were the beneficiaries each time? Oklahoma, Oklahoma and Nebraska. Big 12, Big 12, Big 12.

I hate the Big 12.

Not to nitpick Puffster, but the first beneficiary wasn't Oklahoma, it was FSU.

Remember, FSU and Miami both had one loss. OU was undefeated. Miami got hosed because they had beaten FSU, but Miami lost late, so they couldn't get higher than No. 3.

Worked as nice motivation for Miami to come out and run the table the next year.

Same with USC. They got hosed last year, so they came out and stomped everyone this season.

Auburn should take note.

larryboy
01-04-2005, 05:50 PM
Notre Dame wins by 28, at least. :p:


A man after my heart.

Oklahoma romps 42-17, but Auburn is still the best team

Unassisted
01-04-2005, 05:50 PM
I'll go with Oklahoma, which is an against-the-grain pick here in Texas, too. I just think they're due to come up big and the underdog often overachieves in these BCS Finales.

Puffy
01-04-2005, 05:51 PM
Not to nitpick Puffster, but the first beneficiary wasn't Oklahoma, it was FSU.

Remember, FSU and Miami both had one loss. OU was undefeated. Miami got hosed because they had beaten FSU, but Miami lost late, so they couldn't get higher than No. 3.

Worked as nice motivation for Miami to come out and run the table the next year.

Same with USC. They got hosed last year, so they came out and stomped everyone this season.

Auburn should take note.

Yeah, you're right - but WVRed was talking about Oregon (Nebraska got the bid over them), USC (Oklahoma got the bid over them) and Auburn (Oklahoma got the bid over them).

I was just responding to WVRed, but I remember the Miami-Florida St thing.

Roy Tucker
01-04-2005, 05:52 PM
Oklahoma 35-17.

USC is a bunch of West Coast wienies. Look at what happened to Cal and UCLA in their bowls.

Cedric
01-04-2005, 05:55 PM
USC finally sees a team with both a real defense and offense. I'm not sure who wins, but I would be suprised if Peterson doesn't tear them up.

MWM
01-04-2005, 05:57 PM
USC finally sees a team with both a real defense and offense. I'm not sure who wins, but I would be suprised if Peterson doesn't tear them up.

I'm not sure Oklahoma's defense is all that great. Plenty of teams had no problem moving the ball on them and USC has the best offense they'll see. Plus, Norm Chow has been given over a month to prepare.

Stewie
01-04-2005, 05:59 PM
All season long I have been pumping Oklahoma as my National Champion pick, so I can't change now.

Oklahoma - 27
USC - 25

jmcclain19
01-04-2005, 06:00 PM
Yeah, you're right - but WVRed was talking about Oregon (Nebraska got the bid over them), USC (Oklahoma got the bid over them) and Auburn (Oklahoma got the bid over them).

I was just responding to WVRed, but I remember the Miami-Florida St thing.

Missed that part.

Reds Fanatic
01-04-2005, 06:01 PM
Oklahoma 28-21. I just think Oklahoma and Auburn have better teams than USC this year.

Chip R
01-04-2005, 06:07 PM
USC wins by 10.

Another pet peeve: when all these national college football analysts say with complete definitivenes (is that a word) that these are the two best teams in the country and basically implying that Auburn has nothing to complain about.
Consider the source(s). ESPN and ABC TV and radio and web sites are mainly the ones pimping this as the national championship game. Who are carrying the BCS games? ABC and ESPN. Do you think they would even care about any game that took away from their show? It'll be interesting to see what happens if a similar situation happens in the future. Fox will have the rights for the next few years so ABC and ESPN won't have a dog in this fight any more.

jmcclain19
01-04-2005, 06:22 PM
ESPN also owns the rights to the Coaches Poll. Which will be the only poll from now on in the BCS. Well, that and whatever poll they cobble together to replace the AP's poll.

Something to think about.

zombie-a-go-go
01-04-2005, 07:19 PM
USC, baby. By 17.

Spring~Fields
01-04-2005, 07:20 PM
Oklahoma 31 - USC 21

OnBaseMachine
01-04-2005, 07:58 PM
USC 34
Oklahoma 27

RBA
01-04-2005, 09:18 PM
Usc 43 - 24.

fsp382
01-04-2005, 09:25 PM
Oklahoma wins, and it is not even close

OU-35
USC-10

RBA
01-04-2005, 09:28 PM
First series, no points for USC.

RBA
01-04-2005, 09:29 PM
OU backed up at the 8 yard line.

RBA
01-04-2005, 09:31 PM
OU on the move.

RBA
01-04-2005, 09:37 PM
OU touchdown.

Reds Fanatic
01-04-2005, 09:40 PM
Oklahoma off to a fast start with a 92 yard TD drive

RBA
01-04-2005, 09:49 PM
USC finally moving the ball. Looks like OU speed is a sucker for that play action.

RBA
01-04-2005, 09:49 PM
Wow!

RBA
01-04-2005, 09:50 PM
TOUCHDOWN!!!! USC!!! TIED!!! 7-7

GAC
01-04-2005, 09:56 PM
That was one heck of a catch!

7-7 now

RBA
01-04-2005, 09:57 PM
USC almost with the interception. OU has to punt.

RBA
01-04-2005, 10:06 PM
USC recovers fumble. 1st and goals.

RBA
01-04-2005, 10:06 PM
Touchdown! USC scores!!!!

Super_Barry11
01-04-2005, 10:07 PM
Sucks to be the Sooner that fumbled that. Ouch!!!

Reds Fanatic
01-04-2005, 10:08 PM
Horrible decision by that Oklahoma player leads to a USC TD.

CbusRed
01-04-2005, 10:09 PM
dumbest attempted punt return EVER.

RBA
01-04-2005, 10:16 PM
The Pressure is getting to Jason White. What the hell was that.

CbusRed
01-04-2005, 10:20 PM
Congratulations to the Auburn Tigers, named CbusRed's 2005 champions of college football!

Reds Fanatic
01-04-2005, 10:24 PM
USC is on a roll now. 54 Yard TD pass from Leinart to Jarrett

RBA
01-04-2005, 10:24 PM
Touchdown! Usc!!!! Play The Music!

21-7 Bcs National Champs!!

RBA
01-04-2005, 10:32 PM
INTERCEPTION. I hope you all are enjoying this. I am!!!!

Reds Fanatic
01-04-2005, 10:32 PM
Another interception. USC is about to blow this game open.

jmcclain19
01-04-2005, 10:33 PM
USC is about the blow the doors off this thing. Wow

WVRed
01-04-2005, 10:36 PM
Nice to see Matt Leinart is inheriting what Carson Palmer built.:)

MWM
01-04-2005, 10:37 PM
I predicted USC would win by 10, but I suspected it would be more. I was being conservative.

But what I'm watching here tonight is what I was afraid of. What I'm watching is one team that's just MUCH MUCH better than the other. It's not even that close. USC is just a lot better than Oklahoma.

Oklahoma is a team that feasted on bad competition in a bad conference all year and was underwhelming when they played even subpar teams like Oklahoma State. This game should be USC-Auburn. I'm glad because it will make all those guys on ESPN who said with compete certainty that these were the two best teams in the country look silly - especially Lee Corso's obsession with saying this is the most talent ever assembled in one game in college football history.

MWM
01-04-2005, 10:38 PM
This just in - Norm Chow is an offensive genius. I have no idea why he's not a head coach somewhere. Stanford chose Walt Harris over Norm Chow???????

Chip R
01-04-2005, 10:57 PM
Congratulations to the Auburn Tigers, named CbusRed's 2005 champions of college football!
Really can't argue with you. Look at it like this: At the beginning of the season, the ACC was supposed to be the best conference in college football. Va Tech, FSU, Miami, NC St. all were supposed to be very good. Miami was either #1 or close to #1 in a few polls. If the ACC wasn't the #1 conference then it was the SEC. Georgia was supposed to be the class of that conference this year. LSU was the defending national champs and while they weren't the team they were last year, they were still a pretty tough team. Auburn only beat them by 1 on a missed extra point. There was Tennessee who was a fine football team as well. Yet Auburn managed to go through that conference undefeated and win the SEC championship game. So they went undefeated in the SEC and beat the ACC champ. Those are pretty strong credentials if you ask me. Not taking anything away from USC or OU because both had tough games in conference and OU just dominated Texas. Hindsight is always 20/20 but looking at this game tonight, perhaps OU should have gone to the Sugar Bowl and Auburn to the Orange Bowl.

RedFanAlways1966
01-04-2005, 10:59 PM
BAM! 35-10, USC. Great 35-yard TD catch by Smith. Talk about pass interference... the DB was draped all over him just before the ball arrived. Still caught it though.

Oklahoma... another loss int he big one? Unless there is a comeback of historical proportions. WAR EAGLE!

CbusRed
01-04-2005, 11:04 PM
Really can't argue with you.
Well, now im starting to reconsider... I still think Auburn deserved to play in the rose bowl before OU, but man, USC is making plays, OU is playing good defense, but USC just has world class athletes. These plays would score over ANY defense.


I guess I will wait til this game is over to crown my national champion.

CbusRed
01-04-2005, 11:05 PM
Plus, Auburn was penalized in the end for not having a High pre-season ranking.... What a joke. Polls should not come out until after week 8.

WVRed
01-04-2005, 11:19 PM
They just interviewed Tuberville, and he more or less spoke most of Americas mind when he said that Auburn should face the winner of this game to decide a national champion.

RFS62
01-04-2005, 11:25 PM
Wonder how scared Ashlee Simpleton is right now, actually having to sing.

jmcclain19
01-04-2005, 11:26 PM
Frightened to death. Heck, Clarkson's mic didn't work for a while too. Ashlee must be shaking in her faux boots.

MWM
01-04-2005, 11:28 PM
Thes half-time shows are atrocious.

jmcclain19
01-04-2005, 11:30 PM
I love how they mix every type of music together.

a pizza, a hamburger, a milkshake are great foods on their own.

Sorry kids, but you put a pizza, a hamburger, a milkshake together in a blender, you get a blender full of unedible crap.

RFS62
01-04-2005, 11:31 PM
What kind of deal with the Devil did Ashlee make? It has to be something historic.

jmcclain19
01-04-2005, 11:32 PM
Yeah, she's bad. REAL bad. And she looks like she's passing a stone when singing.

RBA
01-04-2005, 11:33 PM
I heard the boos.

Reds Fanatic
01-04-2005, 11:33 PM
I love it the crowd boos after Ashlee Simpson finishes

WVRed
01-04-2005, 11:34 PM
Thes half-time shows are atrocious.

:barf:

Chip R
01-04-2005, 11:36 PM
Plus, Auburn was penalized in the end for not having a High pre-season ranking.... What a joke. Polls should not come out until after week 8.
The BCS standings don't come out till about week 6 or 7 so that's no excuse why Auburn didn't finish 1st or 2nd. You can't stop people from thinking who are the best teams in the country. Somebody is going to put out their Top 10 or 20 whether it be ESPN or Brent Musburger or the NY Times. It's an imperfect system. Always has been, always will be. The long and short of it is that you can only have two teams playing each other for a championship any way you slice it.

jmcclain19
01-04-2005, 11:37 PM
lots of boos. Great stuff. I could have been mistaken, but I swear I heard a little of that as well when they announced her name, but I wasn't listening close.

RFS62
01-04-2005, 11:38 PM
My wife just walked into the room laughing and asked if they were booing.

Made my day.

WVRed
01-04-2005, 11:40 PM
How does Ashlee Simpson even have a career?

Wait, her sister.

Chip R
01-04-2005, 11:40 PM
Yeah, she's bad. REAL bad. And she looks like she's passing a stone when singing.
I can see now why she lip synchs. :eek:

She's very fortunate she's the sister of a very good singer who is very well endowed. If she were an only child the only place she'd be singing would be in the shower and maybe at church.

KYRedsFan
01-04-2005, 11:41 PM
Most boos ever

paintmered
01-04-2005, 11:41 PM
She didn't lip synch. She didn't hit a single note either.

That was painful.

CbusRed
01-04-2005, 11:43 PM
The BCS standings don't come out till about week 6 or 7 so that's no excuse why Auburn didn't finish 1st or 2nd. You can't stop people from thinking who are the best teams in the country. Somebody is going to put out their Top 10 or 20 whether it be ESPN or Brent Musburger or the NY Times. It's an imperfect system. Always has been, always will be. The long and short of it is that you can only have two teams playing each other for a championship any way you slice it.
Yes, but the human polls are included in the BCS formula. I think there is quite a bit of bias in the human polls based on previous weeks polls. plus, look at Ohio State being ranked #8 in the pre-season, and by week 8, it was clear they didnt even belong in the top 25, but the whole time, they were taking up a poll spot from a team that deserved to be there. Auburn clearly played the toughest schedule, but the "experts" didnt think they were good in the beginning of the season, so they didnt get the head start that OU and USC did.

RFS62
01-04-2005, 11:46 PM
OK, we need to stop slamming Ashlee for lip synching. In fact, from now on, we should encourage it.

Oxilon
01-04-2005, 11:54 PM
It's not Ashlee's fault she suffers from strong acid reflux... :rolleyes:

RBA
01-04-2005, 11:54 PM
touchdown. 45-10?????

MWM
01-04-2005, 11:55 PM
I'll ask again, why is Norm Chow not a head coach?

RBA
01-04-2005, 11:56 PM
Ditka 345, OU 12


You look to be the closest. Only if you change Ditka to USC. ;)

Reds Fanatic
01-04-2005, 11:57 PM
I can't believe Norm Chow isn't a head coach either. With all the coaching openings this year you would think someone would look at him. I think maybe he interviewed with Stanford but that is it.

jmcclain19
01-04-2005, 11:59 PM
I can see now why she lip synchs. :eek:

She's very fortunate she's the sister of a very good singer who is very well endowed. If she were an only child the only place she'd be singing would be in the shower and maybe at church.

Come on now Chip, would you really want to do that to some poor unsuspecting Congregation on a Sunday Morning :)

Chip R
01-04-2005, 11:59 PM
I'll ask again, why is Norm Chow not a head coach?
I'd hire him. Of course he may be waiting for just the right job. I don't think he's going to accept just any job. Okie St. is looking for a new coach but if you were Chow, would you want to go there?

jmcclain19
01-05-2005, 12:01 AM
LOL

Checked Google News, the story's already been posted

Ashlee Simpson Booed at FedEx Orange Bowl
by Landon Howell Bio Email
Owner & Editor - juiceenewsdaily.com

They say that an elephant
never forgets. And apparently,
neither does the American
public.

Ashlee Simpson was booed
at the conclusion of her
performance during the
halftime show at the FedEx
Orange Bowl between the
Oklahoma Sooners and the
USC Trojans Tuesday night.
Simpson was the last artist to
appear in what

Ironically, Simpson chose not to use a background track (tipically used by artists in large-scale, live events). However, choosing to sing live didn't work out for Ashlee in the end. A very obvious chorus of boos could be heard throughout the Orange Bowl in Miami as the fireworks erupted, and Simpson's song came to an end Tuesday night.

Simpson's vocals were the talk of the town after her 'Milli-Vanilli' antics were exposed on Saturday Night Live in the Fall of 2004. Simson first blamed the incident on her band, only to later use acid reflux as the culprit.

MWM
01-05-2005, 12:03 AM
I'd hire him. Of course he may be waiting for just the right job. I don't think he's going to accept just any job. Okie St. is looking for a new coach but if you were Chow, would you want to go there?

That's the thing, he hasn't even been considered for many jobs. He was offered the Kentucky job last year, but can you blame him for not taking that one. They've got real problems there.

He was interviewed for the Utah job 2 years ago when they hired Urban Meyer. He wasn't offered the job (and he is a Utah alum with major ties ot local recruiting). He considered for Arizona when Mike Stoops was hired. And now Walt Harris was chosen over him at Stanford. That one baffles me. There was talk at Pitt this year that Harris might bet fired until the team turned itself around this year.

With all the openings, I can't believe he was only considered for Stanford. I've read interviews with him an he seems to want to be a head coach.

jmcclain19
01-05-2005, 12:03 AM
I'd hire him. Of course he may be waiting for just the right job. I don't think he's going to accept just any job. Okie St. is looking for a new coach but if you were Chow, would you want to go there?

He turned down the Kentucky job two years ago, not quite sure why.

He was also in the running at Arizona, but they hired Mike Stoops.

I hear it was very close, however.

I've also heard that he's a horrible interviewer. That was one of the things murmuring around when he was interviewing for the Stanford job. Very underwhelming, which would be quite the opposite of his offenses.

MWM
01-05-2005, 12:04 AM
I've also heard that he's a horrible interviewer.

I've heard he same and also that he's a bad people person. Administrators and boosters don't like the guy.

jmcclain19
01-05-2005, 12:05 AM
That's the thing, he hasn't even been considered for many jobs. He was offered the Kentucky job last year, but can you blame him for not taking that one. They've got real problems there.

He was interviewed for the Utah job 2 years ago when they hired Urban Meyer. He wasn't offered the job (and he is a Utah alum with major ties ot local recruiting). He considered for Arizona when Mike Stoops was hired. And now Walt Harris was chosen over him at Stanford. That one baffles me. There was talk at Pitt this year that Harris might bet fired until the team turned itself around this year.

With all the openings, I can't believe he was only considered for Stanford. I've read interviews with him an he seems to want to be a head coach.

looks like we had some of the same type of thinking MWM, and posted seconds apart.

to defend Harris. They've been threatening to fire him for years. Something about a major tift with the adminstration about interviewing for another job just months after signing a new deal (Hello Bobby Petrino) and they never forgave him for that. He's also a bit aloof, professor type of guy. Pitt's a blue collar town. He never fit in. He'll do well at Stanford.

MWM
01-05-2005, 12:06 AM
Remember when it was 7-0 Oklahoma?

OnBaseMachine
01-05-2005, 12:09 AM
This is the most dominant bowl performance I have ever seen.

Norm Chow is without a doubt the best OC in college football.

MWM
01-05-2005, 12:10 AM
Norm Chow is without a doubt the best OC in college football.

Maybe even the history of college football. He, as much as anyone else, is responsible for passing becoming the mainstream in college these days.

RBA
01-05-2005, 12:10 AM
This is the most dominant bowl performance I have ever seen.

Norm Chow is without a doubt the best OC in college football.


And the USC defense ain't doing that bad either.

jmcclain19
01-05-2005, 12:11 AM
Question: Do the 49ers beat SC? Does Cleveland?

After watching tonight's game, I'm thinking it'll be darn close.

OnBaseMachine
01-05-2005, 12:16 AM
Did you see the graphic they showed a few minutes ago?

Chow has coached I think 6 or 7 quarterbacks drafted in the first round and two heismans.

Carson Palmer
Matt Leinart
Phillip Rivers
Ty Detmer
Steve Young
Jim McMahon

MWM
01-05-2005, 12:20 AM
Did you see the graphic they showed a few minutes ago?

Chow has coached I think 6 or 7 quarterbacks drafted in the first round and two heismans.

Carson Palmer
Matt Leinart
Phillip Rivers
Ty Detmer
Steve Young
Jim McMahon

Bobbie Bosco (i thinkk that was his name) was also a first round draft pick and was the QB for the 1984 BYU team. He was drafted by Green Bay and got a serious shoulder injury that ended his career before it started. Chow even said once that he thought Bosco might have been the best of all of them.

Puffy
01-05-2005, 12:24 AM
As I've said all year (and last year) the Big 12 is so overrated. Oklahoma scores major points for beating teams in the big 12 in all the computer rankings because of this overrating and it ended up screwing Auburn.

And you can bet that next year the Big 12 will be overrated again. I loathe the Big 12.

MWM
01-05-2005, 12:26 AM
I agree completely Puffy. i've been saying the same thing about the Big 12 all year.

Puffy
01-05-2005, 12:28 AM
Oh, and Jason White is a sixth year senior, yet he still wears that big ole wristband with all the plays on it. What the hell has he been doing these past six years?? How can he not know the plays? Stoops has been there for 5 of those years and Chuck long for at least 3, so its not like he has been going thru different system after different system.

Hey Jason, learn the freakin plays!!!!

RFS62
01-05-2005, 12:29 AM
Oh, and Jason White is a sixth year senior, yet he still wears that big ole wristband with all the plays on it. What the hell has he been doing these past six years?? How can he not know the plays? Stoops has been there for 5 of those years and Chuck long for at least, so its not like he has been going thru different system after different system.

Hey Jason, learn the freakin plays!!!!


It's not all the plays, Puffitude. It's the game plan for that game. It changes every week.

OnBaseMachine
01-05-2005, 12:31 AM
The scary thing is USC is supposed to be better next year :eek:

KYRedsFan
01-05-2005, 12:33 AM
Bobby Petrino has put up some pretty nice numbers as OC, and now HC. And Chow should receive bonus points for turning down a football job at UK. I'd hire him just for that in fact. But yeah, I've heard personality isn't exactly his strong suit, and with the way programs are run now, that can be big to university presidents and the like. But he deserves it obviously.

Puffy
01-05-2005, 12:33 AM
It's not all the plays, Puffitude. It's the game plan for that game. It changes every week.

Yeah, but its funnier the other way.

RFS62
01-05-2005, 12:35 AM
Yeah, but its funnier the other way.


Good point.

I stand corrected.

MWM
01-05-2005, 12:35 AM
Bobby Petrino has put up some pretty nice numbers as OC, and now HC. And Chow should receive bonus points for turning down a football job at UK. I'd hire him just for that in fact. But yeah, I've heard personality isn't exactly his strong suit, and with the way programs are run now, that can be big to university presidents and the like. But he deserves it obviously.

I've heard the same thing, but I've got two words for you: Steve Spurrier.

KYRedsFan
01-05-2005, 12:37 AM
I've heard the same thing, but I've got two words for you: Steve Spurrier.

Oh, I agree. Petrino at my alma mater is a clutz in person. So who knows what the holdup is?

OnBaseMachine
01-05-2005, 12:40 AM
Another interception thrown by Jason White.

Puffy
01-05-2005, 12:42 AM
Jason White does not impress me at all. I think he beat up on weak competition and was average or worse versus good competition. But he has a Heisman, and gaudy numbers.

So, where does he get drafted this spring? Its tough to call before the combines and workouts, but I think he is no better than a third rounder, maybe even a second dayer.

Thoughts?

MWM
01-05-2005, 12:42 AM
I somewhat feel bad for Jason White. This is the worst possible ending to a good college career. At the same time, I think it shows what happens when you get out of th Big 12. He was equally as bad last year against LSU.

pedro
01-05-2005, 12:43 AM
looks like OU has just given up.

MWM
01-05-2005, 12:43 AM
USC is inside the 20 about to score again. And all they're doing is running. There's still 12 minutes left in the game and it's about to be 56-10.

jmcclain19
01-05-2005, 12:45 AM
I say white is a 6th or 7th rounder. If that.

John Navarre, who I thought was an OK QB with good tools, went around there. That's about what I think White is.

OnBaseMachine
01-05-2005, 12:48 AM
55-10

Puffy
01-05-2005, 12:49 AM
I say white is a 6th or 7th rounder. If that.

John Navarre, who I thought was an OK QB with good tools, went around there. That's about what I think White is.

Yeah, my gut was telling me 4th or 5th round, but I feel bad for the kid and for trashing him so much, so I threw out third round. It is really tough to tell before the workouts, but I'm really not impressed by him

jmcclain19
01-05-2005, 12:53 AM
I firmly think that SC could beat a few teams in the NFL right now.

OnBaseMachine
01-05-2005, 12:55 AM
I just found this quote on ESPN by an Oklahoma player:

On USC:

"I feel like they're, I'd say, a one-and-a-half man team," Birdine said. "I want to respect them just because I have to play them, but then I watch them on tape and everything, and I realize that they're an average team."

jmcclain19
01-05-2005, 12:55 AM
yeah, and they are only giving them an 'average' beating.

jmcclain19
01-05-2005, 12:56 AM
that's ok though. That quote would look great if the tables were turned right now.

MWM
01-05-2005, 12:56 AM
I just found this quote on ESPN by an Oklahoma player:

On USC:

"I feel like they're, I'd say, a one-and-a-half man team," Birdine said. "I want to respect them just because I have to play them, but then I watch them on tape and everything, and I realize that they're an average team."

I saw that earlier this week. He said a lot more than that, too. If I were his teammate, I'd be really pissed at him right now. It's not like they had much chance anyway, but all that did was piss them off.

Puffy
01-05-2005, 12:59 AM
Reggie Bush reminds me so much of the Rocket its not even funny. Hopefully he has a better Pro career than the Rocket, but man, are they similiar players.

CbusRed
01-05-2005, 01:00 AM
Reggie Bush reminds me so much of the Rocket its not even funny. Hopefully he has a better Pro career than the Rocket, but man, are they similiar players.
He is good, but he is no Ted Ginn Jr. ;)

http://home.insight.rr.com/craigwalkup/images/ginn.JPG

CbusRed
01-05-2005, 01:07 AM
It is amazing how empty that stadium is right now

CbusRed
01-05-2005, 01:10 AM
I would just like to express my gratitude to ABC and the BCS for this "game" between the "Best 2 teams in the nation".

I couldnt think of a better thing to waste 4 hours of my life on... :rolleyes:

jmcclain19
01-05-2005, 01:12 AM
I would just like to express my gratitude to ABC and the BCS for this "game" between the "Best 2 teams in the nation".

I couldnt think of a better thing to waste 4 hours of my life on... :rolleyes:

Your more than welcome to switch over and watch HGTV

MWM
01-05-2005, 01:13 AM
I would just like to express my gratitude to ABC and the BCS for this "game" between the "Best 2 teams in the nation".

So true. it's been making me queezy I've heard that so much.

How must Auburn feel today? I don't think they could have beaten USC, but they could have given them a game. What they accomplished this year in the SEC was impressive. They should have been playing tonight.

CbusRed
01-05-2005, 01:14 AM
Your more than welcome to switch over and watch HGTV

Thats the best idea I've heard all night!

RBA
01-05-2005, 01:15 AM
Damn it. It should of been Utah vs USC.

CbusRed
01-05-2005, 01:16 AM
So true. it's been making me queezy I've heard that so much.

How must Auburn feel today? I don't think they could have beaten USC, but they could have given them a game. What they accomplished this year in the SEC was impressive. They should have been playing tonight.

You know, as much as I would love to say it, I cant say that Auburn would have beaten USC tonight. They played perfect. The plays they made would eat up any defense. But I still think Auburn rightfully deserved a shot rather than OU. Scary to think what they would have done WITH Mike Williams :eek:

Congrats USC, I consider you the true national champions after your performance tonight.

MWM
01-05-2005, 01:24 AM
It's hilarious listening to Craig James and the other two ABC "analysts" right now talking about their comments and predictions before the game. I think they all thought the Sooners were going to win. Before the game, James was talking about how Oklahoma looked like themore confident team and were more fired up and that USC looked lackadaisical. Even a lot of the ESPN guys licked Oklahoma. Goes to show you that these guys aren't any better at predicting what will happen than any of us here.

RBA
01-05-2005, 01:26 AM
Usc 43 - 24.


Damn, I knew I was being too "conservative"

But, it looks like I was the closest. :)

pedro
01-05-2005, 01:36 AM
Thus concludes possible the most boring bowl season I can remember.

jmcclain19
01-05-2005, 01:44 AM
I thought the Iowa and Texas games were great.

KronoRed
01-05-2005, 03:53 AM
Sad, Stoops can't seem to get his team ready to play a big game and Auburn gets the shaft, don't tell me USC got the shaft last year so it's fair, no USC got a share last year Auburn gets jack :angry:

Unassisted
01-05-2005, 10:39 AM
Good thing I don't gamble, since I picked Oklahoma here. USC looked unbeatable last night.

I said at the Alamo Bowl that I would have liked to see how Ohio State would have fared against Oklahoma. I think this showing confirms my belief that Tressel would have out-prepared Stoops.

Stewie
01-05-2005, 11:01 AM
I was surprised to see Oklahoma get demolished the way they did. USC played an incredible game, but Oklahoma just completely fell apart after Bradley's fumble inside the 10 on the punt. Then Jason White threw a lob pass into quadruple coverage. Just a poor game by them overall.

The way USC was rolling, I don't think Auburn would have stood much a chance, but alas, we will never find out now.

I'm guessing Leinert bolts to the NFL, since his stock will never be as high. Which (unless I am forgetting someone-which it feels like I am) means that most of the top Heisman candidates will be either sophomores or juniors; Reggie Bush, Adrian Peterson, Vince Young, Mike Hart, Ted Ginn, and Chris Leak. I can't think of any real impact seniors next year, other than maybe Frank Gore.

NJReds
01-05-2005, 11:18 AM
Thus concludes possible the most boring bowl season I can remember.

Really, I thought a number of the games were very entertaining. However the BCS bowls were a letdown...except for the Rose Bowl.

I would've liked to see Utah play Auburn.

traderumor
01-05-2005, 01:22 PM
Oklahoma certainly made the case to never be invited to a NC game again. Two straight years of screwing someone out of the NC game, two straight years of getting their doors blowed. Maybe they'll fade into the sunset like the Nebraska program after their last NC game debacle.

On a different note, could someone please tell CF band directors that they don't need to play the fight song on a three yard gain, or on a two yard loss? Geez, hearing those cruddy songs played incessantly throughout the game reaches the point of :dflynn:

larryboy
01-05-2005, 01:35 PM
Congrats to USC. Now I know why I don't make a living predicting games.

Puffy
01-05-2005, 01:41 PM
Final AP Poll

1. Southern California (62) 1,622 13-0
2. Auburn (3) 1,559 13-0
3. Oklahoma 1,454 12-1
4. Utah 1,438 12-0
5. Texas 1,391 11-1
6. Louisville 1,261 11-1
7. Georgia 1,204 10-2
8. Iowa 1,111 10-2
9. California 1,060 10-2
10. Virginia Tech 996 10-3
11. Miami, Fla. 917 9-3
12. Boise State 888 11-1
13. Tennessee 868 10-3
14. Michigan 842 9-3
15. Florida State 754 9-3
16. LSU 711 9-3
17. Wisconsin 482 9-3
18. Texas Tech 476 8-4
19. Arizona State 463 9-3
20. Ohio State 423 8-4
21. Boston College 314 9-3
22. Fresno State 203 9-3
23. Virginia 157 8-4
24. Navy 126 10-2
25. Pittsburgh 99 8-4

pedro
01-05-2005, 01:43 PM
I'll agree that the Iowa game and the Rose Bowl were great games (even if Michigan did blow it - again), but none of the rest of it seemed very compelling to me, maybe it's just me.

pedro
01-05-2005, 01:46 PM
Boise State # 12. Wow. I know they score a lot of points but I'm surprised.

traderumor
01-05-2005, 01:49 PM
What did Utah have to do to get #3, renounce all polygamist marriages in the state?

RedFanAlways1966
01-05-2005, 01:53 PM
14. Michigan 842 9-3
20. Ohio State 8-4

Hmmmm. I thought OSU beat Michigan (beat them good) this year? I thought OSU won their bowl game (blew Okla. St. out) and Michigan blew their Bowl game? I gotta quit thinking! I know... 9-3 vs. 8-4.

Virginia Tech & Miami (FL) get way too much respect IMO. WAY TOO MUCH. California does too. And as far as I am concerned... Oklahoma too. Big 12? Big nuthin'. Two teams in the top-25 and the 2nd one is at 18th (at 8-4) only b/c they thumped the overrated California Golden Bears.

Okay... I'm done! :mhcky21:

MWM
01-05-2005, 01:54 PM
What did Utah have to do to get #3, renounce all polygamist marriages in the state?

I don't know if they're really #3 or not, but I wached them a few times this year and that team can flat out play football. I really believe they were a top 5 team. that offense could score on ANYONE and their defense isn't bad. They beat Texas A&M by 20 points and beat UNC in North Carolina the week before they bea Miami. From what I watched, they were one of the best teams I saw this year.

Unassisted
01-05-2005, 01:56 PM
Hmmmm. I thought OSU beat Michigan (beat them good) this year? I thought OSU won their bowl game (blew Okla. St. out) and Michigan blew their Bowl game? I gotta quit thinking! I know... 9-3 vs. 8-4. Good point... I was thinking that the Buckeyes are certainly a better 8-4 team than Texas Tech at #18.

NJReds
01-05-2005, 02:02 PM
I'll agree that the Iowa game and the Rose Bowl were great games (even if Michigan did blow it - again), but none of the rest of it seemed very compelling to me, maybe it's just me.

I'll agree with the "compelling" part. A lot of the matchups didn't make me want to run to the TV, either. I was interested in Cal-Texas Tech, and Louisville-Boise St. But there were a few pretty good games.

I was amazed at Ginn on OSU...how fast he was. Even in a blowout, I stayed tuned in to watch him on offense.

Puffy
01-05-2005, 02:02 PM
ESPN/USA Today Final Poll

1. USC (61) 13-0 1,525
Last game: Def. No. 3 Oklahoma 55-19 (Jan. 4)

2. Auburn 13-0 1,460
Last game: Def. No. 10 Virginia Tech 16-13 (Jan. 3)

3. Oklahoma 12-1 1,366
Last game: Lost to No. 1 USC 55-19 (Jan. 4)

4. Texas 11-1 1,324
Last game: Def. No. 12 Michigan 38-37 (Jan. 1)

5. Utah 12-0 1,300
Last game: Def. Pittsburgh 35-7 (Jan. 1)

6. Georgia 10-2 1,191
Last game: Def. No. 18 Wisconsin 24-21 (Jan. 1)

7. Louisville 11-1 1,166
Last game: Def. No. 13 Boise State 44-40 (Dec. 31)

8. Iowa 10-2 1,022
Last game: Def. No. 16 LSU 30-25 (Jan. 1)

9. California 10-2 937
Last game: Lost to No. 17 Texas Tech 45-31 (Dec. 30)

10. Virginia Tech 10-3 906
Last game: Lost to No. 2 Auburn 16-13 (Jan. 3)

11. Miami 9-3 903
Last game: Def. No. 25 Florida 27-10 (Dec. 31)

12. Michigan 9-3 802
Last game: Lost to No. 4 Texas 38-37 (Jan. 1)

13. Boise State 11-1 792
Last game: Lost to No. 7 Louisville 44-40 (Dec. 31)

14. Florida State 9-3 776
Last game: Def. West Virginia 30-18 (Jan. 1)

15. Tennessee 10-3 771
Last game: Def. Texas A&M 38-7 (Jan. 1)

16. LSU 9-3 693
Last game: Lost to No. 8 Iowa 30-25 (Jan. 1)

17. Texas Tech 8-4 478
Last game: Def. No. 9 California 45-31 (Dec. 30)

18. Wisconsin 9-3 449
Last game: Lost to No. 6 Georgia 24-21 (Jan. 1)

19. Ohio State 8-4 430
Last game: Def. Oklahoma State 33-7 (Dec. 29)

20. Arizona State 9-3 377
Last game: Def. Purdue 27-23 (Dec. 31)

21. Boston College 9-3 245
Last game: Def. North Carolina 37-24 (Dec. 30)

22. Fresno State 9-3 206
Last game: Def. No. 23 Virginia 37-34 (Dec. 27)

23. Virginia 8-4 157
Last game: Lost to No. 22 Fresno State 37-34 (Dec. 27)

24. Navy 10-2 129
Last game: Def. New Mexico 34-19 (Dec. 30)

25. Florida 7-5 101
Last game: Lost to No. 11 Miami 27-10 (Dec. 31

NJReds
01-05-2005, 02:03 PM
I don't know if they're really #3 or not, but I wached them a few times this year and that team can flat out play football. I really believe they were a top 5 team. that offense could score on ANYONE and their defense isn't bad. They beat Texas A&M by 20 points and beat UNC in North Carolina the week before they bea Miami. From what I watched, they were one of the best teams I saw this year.


Would've been nice to see Auburn v. Utah, just to get a sense of how good Utah really is.

MWM
01-05-2005, 02:05 PM
Would've been nice to see Auburn v. Utah, just to get a sense of how good Utah really is.

Actually, I was hoping Utah would play Texas. I don't think they could beat Auburn, but I think they WOULD HAVE beat Texas. Utah is better than Michigan this year.

KronoRed
01-05-2005, 02:53 PM
What did Utah have to do to get #3, renounce all polygamist marriages in the state?

Utah blew everyone they played off the field, I think they could have given Auburn a good game

RBA
01-05-2005, 03:56 PM
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/01/05/final.rankings/t1cover_0110.jpg

Chip R
01-05-2005, 04:14 PM
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/01/05/final.rankings/t1cover_0110.jpg
I don't think that cover will sell very well in Alabama. Well, maybe in Tuscaloosa. ;)

OnBaseMachine
01-05-2005, 04:33 PM
Remember the quotes made earlier in the week by Oklahoma's Larry Birdine? You would have thought he would admit he was wrong. Instead, he decides to make a bigger fool of himself.

Larry Birdine: "I still don't regret what I said. Deep down inside, I still feel we're the better team. We just didn't show up today."

RedFanAlways1966
01-05-2005, 05:02 PM
Remember the quotes made earlier in the week by Oklahoma's Larry Birdine? You would have thought he would admit he wrong. Instead, he decides to make a bigger fool of himself.

Larry Birdine: "I still don't regret what I said. Deep down inside, I still feel we're the better team. We just didn't show up today."

Hard to believe he could be so dumb (before & after the game)! Especially with the strict academic requirements at a major Division I college football program!!!

MWM
01-05-2005, 05:08 PM
If those two teams played 100 games, USC would win 95 of them. That's how much better they are than Oklahoma.

One of the things I keep hearing from the "analysts" is that the loss was all about "the fumble" when Bradley tried to field the punt and fumbled. I'm not buying it. At that point, it was 7-7 and the Oklahoma defense had just stopped the USC offense. The fumble made it a one TD game and it was still the first quarter. It wouldn't have mattered much if that play wouldn't have happened (is Bradley any relation to Chris Weber?). USC was going to win that game no matter what. They were just a superior team with superior coaches.

While I believe Bob Stoops is a very good coach, just how good he is is often exagerated, IMO. Two years running, he had over a month to prepare for a National Title game and both times his teams were out coached and out-played badly. Give Norm Chow a month to prepare for a team and you get 55 points.

Crumbley
01-05-2005, 05:12 PM
Ashlee Simpson put on an awesome half time performance. "You make me wanna UH UH UH UH, You make me wanna AH AH AH AH, You make me wanna ScReAm!" Very talented young lady, not a marketing device at all.

traderumor
01-05-2005, 05:30 PM
Ashlee Simpson put on an awesome half time performance. "You make me wanna UH UH UH UH, You make me wanna AH AH AH AH, You make me wanna ScReAm!" Very talented young lady, not a marketing device at all.
Not to mention how well she was received by the crowd :MandJ: