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Rojo
03-29-2005, 05:02 PM
Yahoo.news (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1521&e=2&u=/afp/usattackssaudis)

Documents show FBI helped Saudis depart after 9/11 attacks: New York Times

Sun Mar 27, 2:13 PM ET


WASHINGTON (AFP) - The FBI (news - web sites) played an active role in arranging chartered flights for dozens of well-connected Saudi nationals -- including relatives of Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) -- after the 9/11 terror attacks.

The New York Times reported that the documents show Federal Bureau of Investigation agents gave personal airport escorts to two prominent Saudi families who fled the United States, while several other Saudis were allowed to leave the country without first being interviewed, citing newly-released US government records.

The Saudi families, in Los Angeles and Orlando, had requested the FBI escorts out of concern for their personal safety in the wake of the attacks.

The documents were obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Justice Department (news - web sites) by Judicial Watch, a conservative legal group, which provided copies to the Times.

FBI officials contacted by the daily reacted angrily to the allegation of preferential treatment for the Saudis.

One official, speaking on condition of anonymity, when queried by the Times about the airport escorts said "we'd do that for anybody if they felt they were threatened -- we wouldn't characterize that as special treatment."

The Saudis' chartered flights -- arranged in the days after the September 11, 2001 terror attacks when most aircraft were still grounded -- long have been a topic of allegations related to close family ties and associates of US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) and the Saudi royal family.

The charges received their most prominent airing last year by the filmmaker Michael Moore, in his "Fahrenheit 9/11" documentary.

White House officials have strongly denied any special treatment for the Saudis.

Falls City Beer
03-29-2005, 05:26 PM
"One official, speaking on condition of anonymity, when queried by the Times about the airport escorts said "we'd do that for anybody if they felt they were threatened -- we wouldn't characterize that as special treatment.""

Next time I'm at Reagan International I'm going to say I'm being chased by angry American thugs; see if I can't get a chartered flight to Saudi Arabia. :MandJ:

CbusRed
03-29-2005, 05:33 PM
man, all these FBI agents deserve to get fired.

none of this would have happened if we would have just elected John Kerry as our president.

No way would John Kerry have let this happened. He would have personally been at the airport stopping these terrorists from leaving our country.

Unassisted
03-29-2005, 05:50 PM
I thought escort services were illegal. But now, the FBI is running one? I'm so confused.

pedro
03-29-2005, 05:54 PM
man, all these FBI agents deserve to get fired.

none of this would have happened if we would have just elected John Kerry as our president.

No way would John Kerry have let this happened. He would have personally been at the airport stopping these terrorists from leaving our country.

First it was Bush who deserved to get fired, but america decided not to.

And second, you're missing the point. None of this would have happenned if Al Gore was president because he isn't best buddies with the Saudi Royal family.

And yes, I know he invented the interweb.

CbusRed
03-29-2005, 05:56 PM
First it was Bush who deserved to get fired, but america decided not to.

And second, you're missing the point. None of this would have happenned if Al Gore was president because he isn't best buddies with the Saudi Royal family.

And yes, I know he invented the interweb.


OH!
how could I forget

I love al gore, he is my favorite of all the presidential nominees!

pedro
03-29-2005, 05:59 PM
OH!
how could I forget

I love al gore, he is my favorite of all the presidential nominees!

I have a friend (who is actually very liberal) who didn't vote for Gore b/c he had a dream that Gore caused a nuclear war.

You never know.

pedro
03-29-2005, 06:06 PM
I thought escort services were illegal. But now, the FBI is running one? I'm so confused.

It's not the Escort Service that's illegal. It's the service they supply.

traderumor
03-29-2005, 09:01 PM
First it was Bush who deserved to get fired, but america decided not to.

And second, you're missing the point. None of this would have happenned if Al Gore was president because he isn't best buddies with the Saudi Royal family.

And yes, I know he invented the interweb.

Al Gore would have been huddled in a corner crying "Mommy" at the onset of the 911 events. Puh-lease.

Redsfaithful
03-29-2005, 09:05 PM
Al Gore would have been huddled in a corner crying "Mommy" at the onset of the 911 events. Puh-lease.

As opposed to Bush who flew around in a plane all day or Cheney who went underground? Manly men those two.

For living in glass houses Republicans seem to throw an awful lot of stones.

pedro
03-29-2005, 09:18 PM
Al Gore would have been huddled in a corner crying "Mommy" at the onset of the 911 events. Puh-lease.

It's well documented that there is a wide difference of opinion concerning the quality of "leadership" we recieved both post and pre-911. I don't think anyone is prepared to budge so let's just leave it at that.

traderumor
03-29-2005, 09:19 PM
As opposed to Bush who flew around in a plane all day or Cheney who went underground? Manly men those two.

For living in glass houses Republicans seem to throw an awful lot of stones.

RF,

I know you're smarter than that and understand the national security implications of those things. Gore and his running mate, who at this point I can't even remember, would have been in the same place...except they would have been getting into their batman and robin outfits.

GAC
03-29-2005, 09:22 PM
None of this would have happenned if Al Gore was president because he isn't best buddies with the Saudi Royal family.

So you're saying Gore would be a "cowboy" (or chicken hawk) in that situation? I doubt it. :lol:

Al Gore, like any politician, would have done whatever was politically expedient at the time. He would have done the same thing because he wasn't going to do anything to upset relations with the Saudi government, regardless if he was/wasn't best buddies with them. That is inconsequential IMO.

He would have been the perfect diplomat.

And what grounds did they have to hold them? Because some in that group had the last name of Bin Laden? You don't think their lives might not have been at risk when people found out that relatives of Bin Laden were here? Geez! We got people threatening the lives of our judges over the Schiavo case. There was more then enough justification for them to want to safely get out of the country as soon as possible.

Has it ever been proven that those Saudis who were allowed to leave did anything criminal or were connected with the 9/11 terrorists? No. They had the same family name, yet you do realize that Bin Laden has basically been disowned and is estranged from his Saudi family for many years due to his embracing the radical type of Islam that even wants to bring down the Saudi regime. ;)

As FCB would say.... Red Herring.

Leave it to the NT Times to try and stir something up that just isn't there IMO.

pedro
03-29-2005, 09:29 PM
So you're saying Gore would be a "cowboy" (or chicken hawk) in that situation? I doubt it. :lol:



Not really, I was just trying to make the point that Al Gore was the alternative at that point, not John Kerry.

I don't think the two of them together could beat up Robin Williams but that's probably an issue for another thread.

CbusRed
03-29-2005, 09:42 PM
Not really, I was just trying to make the point that Al Gore was the alternative at that point, not John Kerry.

I don't think the two of them together could beat up Robin Williams but that's probably an issue for another thread.

yes they could

GAC
03-29-2005, 09:42 PM
As opposed to Bush who flew around in a plane all day or Cheney who went underground? Manly men those two.

It had nothing to do with their manhood; but security measures that were pre-planned and set into motion as a contigency. It was a set policy, not some spur of the moment thing. The President and VP had nothing to do with the devising of those plans.

What would you have had them do? Where do you think the Prez should have been? Under the circumstances, and seeing that one plane had already hit the Pentagon, and another was possibly going for the White House, where was he suppose to be? On the roof of the WH shaking a defiant fist? :lol:

The safest place was to be in the air, in no set place; but constantly moving around with jet fighter escorts, while he and his national security team (which was also on board) was communicating and coordinating what was going on.

You may think that is cowardice RF; but If Gore had been elected, guess where he would have been? In that airplane, with Leiberman in a bunker. They would have had no choice.

RFS62
03-29-2005, 09:57 PM
Apparently you guys don't watch "24".

The freakin' president hasn't been off Air Force One all season.

RBA
03-29-2005, 10:03 PM
Al Gore would have been huddled in a corner crying "Mommy" at the onset of the 911 events. Puh-lease.


Al Gore - Went to Vietnam
Dick Cheney - 5 deferments
Bush - Who knows

Now why would you think the Gore would hide under a desk and cry for Mommy? I don't believe he is the type. Plus, he couldn't fit under a desk.

GAC
03-29-2005, 10:04 PM
Apparently you guys don't watch "24".

The freakin' president hasn't been off Air Force One all season.

:laugh: :laugh:

CbusRed
03-29-2005, 10:05 PM
Al Gore - Went to Vietnam
Dick Cheney - 5 deferments
Bush - Who knows

Now why would you think the Gore would hide under a desk and cry for Mommy? I don't believe he is the type. Plus, he couldn't fit under a desk.


Yeah, bush is a little baby!!!!!!!!!11

gO gORE!!!11`

RedsBaron
03-29-2005, 10:05 PM
It's deja vu all over again on this thread. Whatever everyone enjoys I guess....

RBA
03-29-2005, 10:11 PM
Yeah, bush is a little baby!!!!!!!!!11

gO gORE!!!11`

Did I say that?

I replied to a post that implied Gore would of hid under a desk and cry for Mommy. I just can't see how anyone would think Al Gore would do that.

CbusRed
03-29-2005, 10:16 PM
Did I say that?



No, you didnt, I did.... silly boi!

GAC
03-29-2005, 10:21 PM
This thread is not long for this world! :lol:

RedsBaron
03-29-2005, 10:23 PM
This thread is not long for this world! :lol:
Has anyone here, on any side of this issue, posted anything that could not have been predicted? You can see who is posting and know pretty much what will be posted beforte the post is made. Like I say, if that's what people enjoy, okay.........

RBA
03-29-2005, 10:25 PM
Have fun with this thread, this sandbox has too much kitty litter for me.

traderumor
03-29-2005, 10:30 PM
Al Gore - Went to Vietnam
Dick Cheney - 5 deferments
Bush - Who knows

Now why would you think the Gore would hide under a desk and cry for Mommy? I don't believe he is the type. Plus, he couldn't fit under a desk.

It was poking fun of someone I picture choking in the clutch. Do folks have to take this stuff so personally?

Phoenix
03-29-2005, 10:41 PM
People realize that the bin Laden family has nothing to do with Osama and that Saudia Arabia had long ago revoked his citizenship, right?

The fact is the US gov't has long been in bed with Saudia Arabia due our dependence on their oil. These Saudi nationals are living a life of luxury due to our SUV-loving, gas guzzling ways. They are not going to jeapordize it. These were not the people who carried out the 9-11 attacks. So they put them on a plane and sent them home for their own safety. Whoop-de-do. This is just a big juicy story for silly Michael Moore conspiracy theorists.

Rojo
03-30-2005, 01:51 PM
So they put them on a plane and sent them home for their own safety. Whoop-de-do.

Just to get the spin straight: Before it was an outrageous lie, now its no big deal.

Am I close?

dman
03-31-2005, 12:55 AM
I'm starting to feel the way Cbus does. After a while all of these P threads seem like a "my son beat up your honor student" kind of threads. The Terri Schiavo thread is an exception though, because I have strong moral convictions about that situation.

CbusRed
03-31-2005, 01:17 AM
I'm starting to feel the way Cbus does. After a while all of these P threads seem like a "my son beat up your honor student" kind of threads. The Terri Schiavo thread is an exception though, because I have strong moral convictions about that situation.


I invite you to make that opinion known to the mods.

together we can fight senseless P-threads! :MandJ:

GAC
03-31-2005, 09:30 AM
Okay. Fill this old fart in. What's a P-thread? :roll:

919191
03-31-2005, 09:58 AM
Political, silly!

Redsfaithful
03-31-2005, 11:21 AM
The Terri Schiavo thread is an exception though, because I have strong moral convictions about that situation.

I hope this was said in jest. Because if it wasn't then it's rather ironic that threads where you have a strong moral conviction are excepted.

Not reading certain threads is fun, I do it all the time. You guys should try it some time.

westofyou
03-31-2005, 11:25 AM
Agreed RF, the attempt to shout down discerning opinions as inappropriate, tired, slanted etc is just another tired attempt to stifle, ridicule (without debate) and center on anything but the debate at hand.

Johnny Footstool
03-31-2005, 12:37 PM
Hey, if you can't win the argument, burn down the building.

dman
03-31-2005, 12:54 PM
Agreed RF, the attempt to shout down discerning opinions as inappropriate, tired, slanted etc is just another tired attempt to stifle, ridicule (without debate) and center on anything but the debate at hand.
I don't agree with shutting down political threads. There's nobody on either end forcing us to read or post on these threads. I was just stating what these threads normally turn into.

westofyou
03-31-2005, 01:13 PM
I don't agree with shutting down political threads. There's nobody on either end forcing us to read or post on these threads. I was just stating what these threads normally turn into.

I know that, you aren't who I was refering to.

Chip R
03-31-2005, 01:21 PM
We have gone over this before. We have decided to keep political threads on here. Not that it mattered but folks wanted to keep them on here by a clear majority. Boss and GIK decided to keep them on here with strict rules. Now it seems that Cbus feels this is his own board and he is doing his damndest to try to get rid of him despite what has been decided upon. Sorry, pal, it ain't gonna work. If you want to keep derailing these threads to get rid of them, that's just dandy. But remember this: Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines... 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines.

Just sayin.