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Unassisted
03-31-2005, 09:53 AM
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1111980180248&apage=2

Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007
By KHALED ABU TOAMEH (khaledat@zahav.net.il)


A thorough analysis of the Koran reveals that the US will cease to exist in the year 2007, according to research published by Palestinian scholar Ziad Silwadi.

The study, which has caught the attention of millions of Muslims worldwide, is based on in-depth interpretations of various verses in the Koran. It predicts that the US will be hit by a tsunami larger than that which recently struck southeast Asia.

"The tsunami waves are a minor rehearsal in comparison with what awaits the US in 2007," the researcher concluded in his study. "The Holy Koran warns against the Omnipotent Allah's force. A great sin will cause a huge flood in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans."

Silwadi, who is from the village of Silwad near Ramallah the home of Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal is not a world-renowned scholar. He said he decided to publish the findings of his research "out of a sense of responsibility because what is about to happen is extremely shocking and frightening."

His fear, he said, is that the world economy, which relies heavily on the US dollar, would be deeply affected by the collapse of the US.

"It would be fair to say that the world would be better off with a US that is not a superpower and that does not take advantage of weak nations than a world where this country does not exist at all," he added."The world will certainly lose a lot if and when this disaster occurs because of the great services that American society has rendered to the economy, industry and science."

Silwadi said his study of the Koran showed that the US would perish mainly because of its great sins against mankind, including the Native Americans and blacks.

"As soon as the Europeans started arriving in the new world discovered by Christopher Columbus in 1492, they declared a war on the so-called Red Indians, the legitimate owners of the land," he wrote. "Then they began enslaving and humiliating Africans after kidnapping them from their countries and bringing them to America. Millions of blacks were brought to the US and treated with unprecedented harshness. Those who became ill during the journey were thrown overboard to feed the fish."

Silwadi pointed out that the US continued to commit war crimes and "ethnic cleansing" against humanity by becoming the first country to use nuclear weapons during World War II.

"International law penalizes such crimes," he said. "If these laws were not applied then, they are certainly implemented in heaven. If no one on earth is capable of punishing [the US], Allah was and remains able to do so. All these actions have been documented by Allah in a big archive called the Koran."

Silwadi said he reached the conclusion that several suras (chapters) in the Koran that talk about punishment for those who perpetrate heinous sins actually refer to the US.

As an example, he quotes in his study verse 40 of the Spider Sura, which states: "So each We [God] punished for his sin; of them was he on whom We sent down a violent storm, and of them was he whom the rumbling overtook, and of them was he whom We made to be swallowed up by the earth, and of them he whom We drowned; and it did not beseem Allah that He should be unjust to them, but they were unjust to their own souls."

Drawing parallels between Pharaoh and the US, who share the same "sin" of arrogance and excessive pride, Silwadi noted that the Koran mentions at least 12 times the fact that Pharaoh was punished by drowning for his evil deeds.

The Narrative Sura, he noted, clearly suggests that the US will drown in the sea: "And Firon [Pharaoh] said: O chiefs! I do not know of any god for you besides myself; therefore kindle a fire for me And he was unjustly proud in the land, he and his hosts, and they deemed that they would not be brought back to Us. So We caught hold of him and his hosts, then We cast them into the sea, and see how was the end of the unjust [verses 38-40]."

Explaining his theory about the approaching extinction of the US, the scholar went on to analyze many numbers and letters mentioned in the Koran. He said a careful reading and analysis of words appearing in the Opening and Yusuf suras show that the US will exist for only 231 years. How did he reach that number? Silwadi said that by combing a number of suras hinting at US sins he reached the numbers 1776 (the year the US achieved independence) and 231. He added the two numbers and the result was 2007, the year when the US is expected to disappear.

In his lengthy study, which is being circulated in many Muslim countries, Silwadi noted that the US has often been compared to a tree that grows very quickly and bears fruit, but has no roots.

In an attempt to find a reference to this metaphor in the Koran, Silwadi said he counted 1776 verses from the beginning of the Koran until he reached verse 26 of the Ibrahim Sura, which states: "And the parable of an evil word is as an evil tree pulled up from the earth's surface; it has no stability."

RedsBaron
03-31-2005, 10:01 AM
I'm cancelling all my appointments after 2006.

Steve4192
03-31-2005, 10:03 AM
Sweet! Time to max out the credit cards.

GAC
03-31-2005, 10:07 AM
Sweet! Time to max out the credit cards.

Thinking the same thing. ;)

Let see if these guys are still considered "scholars" in a couple of years.

Johnny Footstool
03-31-2005, 10:19 AM
Silwadi said that by combing a number of suras hinting at US sins he reached the numbers 1776 (the year the US achieved independence) and 231. He added the two numbers and the result was 2007, the year when the US is expected to disappear.

Well, you can't argue with science.

westofyou
03-31-2005, 10:21 AM
Ahh....... the Muslim Donut Theory.

RedFanAlways1966
03-31-2005, 10:29 AM
This "scholar" needs to discuss this matter with time-traveler, John Titor. Good ol' John predicted Civil War here in 2004-2005 (oh-oh!). Then he predicted nuclear war in 2015. I think a celebrity death match between the two would be very enjoyable to most Americans.

Maybe this "scholar" can teach his people how to reach a means through peaceful measures. Not blowing yourself up and indiscriminately killing people around yourself. Not lies that there is a better world for you when you blow yourself up in an attempt to kill others.

I wonder if this "scholar" says these things b/c the Evil U.S. is friendly with the Evil Israel? Then the tsunami thing. Boy, where did he get that idea from...?!? Can he at least be more original? It might help sell his tale. Going to have to be large waves from many sides to cause the U.S. to "cease to exist".

traderumor
03-31-2005, 10:37 AM
The sad thing is that he throws that out there, but when it doesn't come to pass, which even if it did, the Koran would have as much to do with it as the Farmer's Almanac, no one will do a follow up story noting how the prediction didn't prove out. Happens all the time with the false prophets using the Bible to back up their spurious claims.

Also, apparently Christianity has some competition for "scholars" who try to apply vague prophecies to current affairs.

Redsfaithful
03-31-2005, 12:18 PM
Let see if these guys are still considered "scholars" in a couple of years.

The Jehova's Witness cult is doing okay numbers wise, despite the fact that they've unsuccessfully predicted the end of the world countless times.

Chip R
03-31-2005, 12:26 PM
Until I actually clicked on this thread, I thought it read "Korean Scholar". Man, I'm getting as bad as GAC. :eek:

dman
03-31-2005, 12:29 PM
Sounds like the Jerry Fallwell or Rod Parsley of the Muslim religion.

creek14
03-31-2005, 12:30 PM
Oh man, that only gives the Reds a couple seasons to win it all.

RedFanAlways1966
03-31-2005, 12:50 PM
Until I actually clicked on this thread, I thought it read "Korean Scholar". Man, I'm getting as bad as GAC. :eek:

I read it the same way at first! But never, ever, not in my life... did I think I was getting that bad, Chip. :laugh:

pedro
03-31-2005, 01:07 PM
cease to resist, giving my goodbye
drive my car into the ocean
you'll think i'm dead, but i sail away
on a wave of mutilation
a wave
wave

i've kissed mermaids, rode the el nino
walked the sand with the crustaceans
could find my way to mariana
on a wave of mutilation,
wave of mutilation
wave of mutilation
wave

wave of mutilation
wave

StillFunkyB
03-31-2005, 01:18 PM
Sounds like it's time for me to get that BMW 7 series!!!

RBA
03-31-2005, 01:22 PM
Maybe, I'll have that ocean front property in El Paso. El Paso, the new San Diego. ;)

KronoRed
03-31-2005, 01:24 PM
Oh man, that only gives the Reds a couple seasons to win it all.
How do we know Ohio won't take over? :help:

dman
03-31-2005, 01:26 PM
It might be a good time to buy the biggest yacht that one could find and set out to sea on it.

traderumor
03-31-2005, 01:41 PM
If they won't listen to Moses and the prophets (real ones, not this huckster), then they probably won't listen to anyone, even if someone were to come back from the dead.

DoogMinAmo
03-31-2005, 01:47 PM
So if the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans all flood, how does the rest of the world mysteriously escape the wrath of Allah? Does this have something to do with the flat earth dipping in the middle? Or maybe, just maybe, this could be far fetched?

Naaaaaaaaaaah.

Go Reds 2006! The final hoorah for MLB.
(I knew there was a reason Milton wanted that escape clause in 2007)

MWM
03-31-2005, 01:48 PM
Moses supposes his toeses are roses.

Rojo
03-31-2005, 04:39 PM
Anyone see the recent Tsunami special on PBS. Apparently, there's a volcanic island in the Canaries that some think is in danger of collapsing sending a Tsunami that would wipe out the Eastern Seaboard. But there's disagreement about the possibility of this happening. There's little disagreement about the Pacific Northwest where they have them every 500 years -- 300 since the last one.

westofyou
03-31-2005, 04:41 PM
There's little disagreement about the Pacific Northwest where they have them every 500 years -- 300 since the last one.

The volcanos will destroy us first.

CTA513
03-31-2005, 08:08 PM
Time to load up on the guns, ammo and bullet proof vests.

:devil:

GAC
03-31-2005, 08:40 PM
The Jehova's Witness cult is doing okay numbers wise, despite the fact that they've unsuccessfully predicted the end of the world countless times.

I never said they wouldn't continue to have success, or be believed, by their own devoted followers. Especially when their "charismatic" leaders find ways to explain away and justify those prophesies when they come and pass unfulfilled.

Charles Russell, who founded the JW's, and then the following JW "spiritual leaders" who have followed (Judge Rutherford, etc), have done a very good job at doing that just. They continually predicted Jesus' physical return to establish his kingdom via mutiple dates since the 1870's through the 1970's. They then quit setting those dates, because it was proving an embarassment (and their numbers have dwindled because of it), and now say that he did return, in 1917, and his invisible presence is currently establishing the kingdom. So the problem is solved right?

The new "hitch" is that the leaders, as they have had a habit of doing, took a scripture out of it's context where Jesus said "this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place" (Matthew 24:34), and applied it to that prophecy, meaning that that generation born in 1917, during Jesus' invisible return, would not pass away, but would see that physical return to this earth. And I think time is running out again. So we'll see what that leadership does then.

When the blind lead the blind, then they both end up in a ditch.

But it will also be interesting because the Koran commands that false prophets are to be stoned. ;)

Reds/Flyers Fan
03-31-2005, 09:56 PM
A tsunami will wipe out America? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Hey bin Laden.... :mooner:

Unassisted
03-31-2005, 09:56 PM
Time to load up on the guns, ammo and bullet proof vests.

:devil:A boat might be handy for keeping all of that stuff dry during the tsunami.

Reds/Flyers Fan
03-31-2005, 10:15 PM
Actually, any tsunami big enough to wipe out all of the United States would probably erase Canada, Mexico and every Caribbean island nation. And Europe, Africa, Japan and Australia and the south Pacific would probably be destroyed as well. I guess the only region that would survive would be the Middle East.


Yea right.

:usa:

marcshoe
03-31-2005, 10:28 PM
Hey, we won't miss much. I've been hearing for years that the Mayan calendar predicts that the world will end at the end of 2012.

Personally, I think the guy that drew up their calendar just got tired and quit, but what do I know? :confused:

Steve4192
03-31-2005, 10:46 PM
the Koran commands that false prophets are to be stoned.
Thou shalt not bogart.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors sticky icky.
Thou shalt not pack the bowl full of seeds.

Now, call me a false prophet and pass the bong!

CTA513
03-31-2005, 11:21 PM
A boat might be handy for keeping all of that stuff dry during the tsunami.

The guns, ammo & bullet proof vests will help me get a boat of my choice.

:p:

dman
03-31-2005, 11:51 PM
Actually, any tsunami big enough to wipe out all of the United States would probably erase Canada, Mexico and every Caribbean island nation. And Europe, Africa, Japan and Australia and the south Pacific would probably be destroyed as well. I guess the only region that would survive would be the Middle East.


Yea right.

:usa:
As far as I'm concerned, I would rather die in the tsunami than have to live in the Mid East. Being surrounded by desert as far as the eye can see and 115+ degree heat ain't exactly my way of living it up. Of all the places in the world I've been, I loathe the Middle East. I will gladly accept living in Guam, Portugal, or Italy though.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-01-2005, 12:04 AM
Being surrounded by desert as far as the eye can see and 115+ degree heat ain't exactly my way of living it up.

Viva Las Vegas!

dman
04-01-2005, 12:10 AM
Viva Las Vegas!
Gotcha. At least in Vegas you have Lake Tahoe within a reasonable drive time.

GAC
04-01-2005, 08:21 AM
Thou shalt not bogart.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors sticky icky.
Thou shalt not pack the bowl full of seeds.

Now, call me a false prophet and pass the bong!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Still trying to find those passages. It must be a "matter of interpretation" :mooner:

Rojo
04-01-2005, 12:25 PM
At least in Vegas you have Lake Tahoe within a reasonable drive time.

Been out West lately? Things is bigger out here.

RFS62
04-01-2005, 06:10 PM
I KNEW I shouldn't have bought that extended warranty.

RedFanAlways1966
04-01-2005, 08:37 PM
Just saw this on my fav KS (Koran Scholar) site. This site is one of the best KS sites that I have had the opportunity to visit. I used to get my prediction information from The Star and The National Enquirer. But awhile back, after Bob Hope lived another year, I started losing faith in their seers. So I gave KS a try. Here's what I saw...

RedsBaron
04-01-2005, 10:11 PM
Do the Reds still have to pay the last couple of years of Griffey's contract after this happens?

westofyou
04-01-2005, 10:23 PM
Been out West lately? Things is bigger out here.

I got a kick out of that as well. The distance between Tahoe and Vegas is 448.03. Roughly the distance from Atlanta to Dayton.

dman
04-02-2005, 07:42 AM
Been out West lately? Things is bigger out here.
I guess i should have clarified this. Usually, for me, if I can make it there in 8 hours or less, I drive it. Anything more and I'm getting a plane ticket or flying myself there.

camisadelgolf
04-02-2005, 10:39 AM
I'm sure 2007 is the perfect time to punish people for what they did over 60 years ago.