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reds44
04-15-2005, 07:19 PM
Trying to get above .500 lets go Reds!

reds44
04-15-2005, 07:21 PM
Everett ss
Biggio 2b
Bagwell 1b
ensberg 3b
lane rf
scott lf
chavez c
taveras cf
oswalt p

REDS:
jimenez
griffey
casey
randa
dunn
kearns
AURILLA
laRue
wilson

pedro
04-15-2005, 07:22 PM
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
A. Everett ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .129
C. Biggio 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .406
J. Bagwell 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .258
M. Ensberg 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .320
J. Lane rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .303
L. Scott lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .316
R. Chavez c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .333
W. Taveras cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .370
R. Oswalt p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250

Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
D. Jimenez 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .280
K. Griffey cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .280
S. Casey 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .265
J. Randa 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .448
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .179
A. Kearns rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .231
R. Aurilia ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .143
J. LaRue c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .333
P. Wilson p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .200

reds44
04-15-2005, 07:27 PM
Pregame show is about to start, anyone else notice that annoying fake smile the Welsch has at the end of his segments, it annoys the crap outta me!

KronoRed
04-15-2005, 07:29 PM
Aww Jeez

Can't Felo get more then 1 start in a row?

Far East
04-15-2005, 07:31 PM
I'm an Aurilia fan, but Oswalt ( I don't know his splits) looks like one tough cookie for righty hitters: I'd try FeLo against him.

reds44
04-15-2005, 07:31 PM
Aww Jeez

Can't Felo get more then 1 start in a row?

agreed

westofyou
04-15-2005, 07:34 PM
Obviously the start of Aurlia with Wilson starting is Miley's way of saying Rich in the field is "solid".

Reminds me of another "solid" vet the Reds picked up in 1997.


TERRY PENDLETON

CINCINNATI REDS

YEAR TEAM AGE G AB R H 2B 3B HR HR% RBI BB SO SB CS AVG SLG OBA OPS
1997 Reds 36 50 113 11 28 9 0 1 0.88 17 12 14 2 1 .248 .354 .320 .674
TOTALS 50 113 11 28 9 0 1 0.88 17 12 14 2 1 .248 .354 .320 .674
LG AVERAGE 112 16 30 6 1 3 2.95 15 12 21 3 1 .271 .425 .342 .767
POS AVERAGE 112 16 31 6 1 4 3.29 17 13 21 1 1 .275 .440 .351 .791

YEAR TEAM RC RCAA RCAP OWP RC/G TB EBH ISO SEC BPA IBB HBP SAC SF GIDP OUTS PA POS
1997 Reds 13 -4 -5 .372 4.03 40 10 .106 .221 .416 1 0 0 0 1 87 125 3B
TOTALS 13 -4 -5 .372 4.03 40 10 .106 .221 .416 1 0 0 0 1 87 125
LG AVERAGE 17 0 0 .500 5.12 47 10 .154 .271 .472 1 1 1 1 2 87 126
POS AVERAGE 17 1 0 .520 5.41 50 10 .165 .283 .479 1 1 1 1 3 87 128

Raisor
04-15-2005, 07:35 PM
I had blocked Pendalton out of my mind as a Red.

pedro
04-15-2005, 07:42 PM
I had blocked Pendalton out of my mind as a Red.

that was his butt blocking out the light.

SteelSD
04-15-2005, 07:55 PM
Hey look! The Astros have Joe Randa hitting cleanup too!! ;)

SYCMiniBus
04-15-2005, 07:58 PM
Randa hitting cleanup is no problem since he is hitting out of his mind. Career numbers are not in the lineup current hot/cold streaks are. Thats why I see no reason not to have Randa splitting up the lefties. Now I see no reason that Aurillia is starting and I really would like to see Wily Mo get more then 1 start in a row, I mean he is OPSing 1.275 or something like that (VERY limited numbers I know, but still shows productivity).

reds44
04-15-2005, 08:00 PM
R
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REDS REDS REDS

KronoRed
04-15-2005, 08:01 PM
R
is for Reds!

reds44
04-15-2005, 08:02 PM
is for Reds!

Ha ha fixed that

GAC
04-15-2005, 08:02 PM
Go Reds!

Chat is open.

reds44
04-15-2005, 08:09 PM
Here we go!

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 08:09 PM
Those little kids that sang the anthem knew the words better than some of the adults who sing it

GAC
04-15-2005, 08:13 PM
New Chat Incentive Program.

6 beers for the first 6 in chat! :beerme: :beerme:

SandyD
04-15-2005, 08:14 PM
Headed out to the Zephyrs game ... nice evening ... 78 not and too humid.

I expect to see good things in here when I get back.

I'm going to wear Reds garb to one game this year and sit right behind the dugout to terrorize Tim Foli.

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 08:17 PM
Reds 1st error

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 08:19 PM
Ensberg strikes out to end the 1st

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 08:25 PM
Reds go down 1-2-3 in the 1st

flyer85
04-15-2005, 08:25 PM
Jr looked overmatched. Oswalt threw him all fastballs.

Falls City Beer
04-15-2005, 08:27 PM
All of them looked as clueless there as they did in Houston. They just can't figure this guy out.

MWM
04-15-2005, 08:27 PM
When great pitchers are on, they make EVERYONE looked overmatched. And Oswalt looked as sharp as ever in the 1st.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 08:30 PM
Astros go down 1-2-3. 3 strikeouts for Wilson.

jfar23
04-15-2005, 08:30 PM
I read that Oswalt is 12-0 lifetime versus the Reds.

flyer85
04-15-2005, 08:31 PM
When great pitchers are on, they make EVERYONE looked overmatched. And Oswalt looked as sharp as ever in the 1st.

What I meant was he was way late on every swing. Never got the bat head out. Best he could do was to foul one over third.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 08:36 PM
Kearns gets a 2 out hit

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 08:36 PM
I think Kearns may be getting back in the swing of things...

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 08:37 PM
Aurilia grounds out to end the inning. 0-0 after 2.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 08:40 PM
Larue with a good play to throw out Taveras one of the fastest players in the league.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 08:43 PM
Another 1-2-3 inning for Wilson.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 08:50 PM
Another 1-2-3 inning for Oswalt. 0-0 through 3.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2005, 08:52 PM
Our only hope is if Wilson can miraculously shut the 'Stros down and we score a run.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 08:54 PM
Biggio walks to lead off the 4th

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 08:56 PM
Acrobatic Casey

Stormy
04-15-2005, 08:58 PM
For all of the broadcaster's talk of Wilson's early game effectiveness and K totals tonight, the fact is that too often he is leaving his fastball drifting up in the horizontal plane over the plate... which means he is likely about to get jacked (probably to deep to LCF to a guy who can turn on it like Ensberg, or maybe Lane).

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 08:58 PM
Lane with a long home run 2-0 Astros

cincyinco
04-15-2005, 08:58 PM
booooooooo!

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 08:59 PM
...Well, that didn't take long

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2005, 08:59 PM
That could be enough with the way Oswalt is pitching tonight.

cincyinco
04-15-2005, 08:59 PM
WHY do the astros OWN us?

CincyReds2003
04-15-2005, 08:59 PM
For all of the broadcaster's talk of Wilson's early game effectiveness and K totals tonight, the fact is that too often he is leaving his fastball drifting up in the horizontal plane over the plate... which means he is likely about to get jacked (probably to deep to LCF to a guy who can turn on it like Ensberg, or maybe Lane).


You called it! Just see if you can do the same when we came to bat at the bottom of the inning. :D

Stormy
04-15-2005, 09:00 PM
Actually ended up being a hanging curve ball instead of that elevated tailing "fastball".... but the result of working up in the zone too often was the same.

aernisius
04-15-2005, 09:00 PM
That was absolutely prophetic, Stormy.

ws1990reds
04-15-2005, 09:00 PM
For all of the broadcaster's talk of Wilson's early game effectiveness and K totals tonight, the fact is that too often he is leaving his fastball drifting up in the horizontal plane over the plate... which means he is likely about to get jacked (probably to deep to LCF to a guy who can turn on it like Ensberg, or maybe Lane).

You mean he leaves the ball up in the strike zone too much? :p:

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 09:01 PM
The way Oswalt is pitching so far 2 runs looks like a big lead.

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 09:01 PM
Has Reds pitching given up at least 1 HR in every game so far?

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2005, 09:02 PM
For all of the broadcaster's talk of Wilson's early game effectiveness and K totals tonight, the fact is that too often he is leaving his fastball drifting up in the horizontal plane over the plate... which means he is likely about to get jacked (probably to deep to LCF to a guy who can turn on it like Ensberg, or maybe Lane).

Can you tell me tonight's lottery numbers? :D

MWM
04-15-2005, 09:02 PM
For all of the broadcaster's talk of Wilson's early game effectiveness and K totals tonight, the fact is that too often he is leaving his fastball drifting up in the horizontal plane over the plate... which means he is likely about to get jacked (probably to deep to LCF to a guy who can turn on it like Ensberg, or maybe Lane).

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Stormy
04-15-2005, 09:03 PM
You called it! Just see if you can do the same when we came to bat at the bottom of the inning. :D

If Oswalt had a propensity to leave pitches with limited velocity and/or late action up in the zone, I would definitely predict the same. Those 92-94mph heaters, and their nasty offspeed counterparts are harder to project into HRs. ;) Wish I could help, or better yet, that our staff was replete with guys like Oswalt.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 09:04 PM
Randa walks with 2 outs

reds44
04-15-2005, 09:06 PM
Come on Dunn

CincyReds2003
04-15-2005, 09:06 PM
Dunn homer right here! Please!

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 09:07 PM
Dunn strikes out looking to end the inning. 6 strikeouts for Oswalt.

CincyReds2003
04-15-2005, 09:08 PM
Dunn k's..That stinks!

ws1990reds
04-15-2005, 09:08 PM
When will the Reds start swinging with 2 strike counts against quality pitching? :(

BBevinsGK27
04-15-2005, 09:10 PM
Do the Reds realize that you've got absolutely no chance to hit the ball if you don't swing??? These freakin' statue-imitations are getting OLD.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 09:10 PM
Chavez doubles to lead off the inning.

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 09:12 PM
Aurilia briefly bobbles, runner safe at 1st

BBevinsGK27
04-15-2005, 09:13 PM
Hey Aurilia!!! Good thing we've got the guy out there who won't mess up the easy defensive plays!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 09:13 PM
Larue gets an unassisted double play as Everett pops up on the squeeze attempt.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2005, 09:14 PM
I'm so glad that Aurilia starting over Lopez. :rolleyes:

Aronchis
04-15-2005, 09:14 PM
Aurilia is a safer player than Flipper. :bowrofl:

BBevinsGK27
04-15-2005, 09:15 PM
HEY: At least with Aurilia: "YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING"

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 09:17 PM
I've seen Lopez screw up plenty of defensive plays -- but I've also seen him hitting better than Aurila, when he gets a chance to play

ws1990reds
04-15-2005, 09:19 PM
This is pathetic. Why don't the Reds just hang'em up and go on home? If you're not going to swing the damn bat with 2 strikes, ride the pine and let someone that WANTS to play do the swinging. This really highlights one of Miley's weaknesses as manager. Do you think that Larussa or Torre would put up with this? I don't think they would. :eek:

redsrule2500
04-15-2005, 09:19 PM
Why is Oswalt so good against the Reds? :(

CrackerJack
04-15-2005, 09:20 PM
What are the Reds averaging over their last 7-8 games? 2-3 run tops?

Yikes.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 09:20 PM
another 1-2-3 inning for Oswalt

wheels
04-15-2005, 09:20 PM
This is pathetic. Why don't the Reds just hang'em up and go on home? If you're not going to swing the damn bat with 2 strikes, ride the pine and let someone that WANTS to play do the swinging. This really highlights one of Miley's weaknesses as manager. Do you think that Larussa or Torre would put up with this? I don't think they would. :eek:

:runawaycr :rant2:

BBevinsGK27
04-15-2005, 09:23 PM
Aurilia was supposed to be insurance for Lopez,,,,, Aurilia has started 6 out of 9 games! That is RETARDED. Miley is obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer because anybody who puts a guy who is paid to hit RBI's in the two hole is out of his gourd.

cincyinco
04-15-2005, 09:25 PM
Bagwell owns paul wilson..

gawd.. this is terrible. i'm headed home.

redsrule2500
04-15-2005, 09:25 PM
Wow Kearns looked really good on that fly ball. :(

What a great weekend for a fan weekend. </sarcasm>

ws1990reds
04-15-2005, 09:25 PM
Go ahead, Paul. Loft those suckers up there for a bashing. I think you were teasing us with your long five innings of decent work in your last appearance.

BBevinsGK27
04-15-2005, 09:27 PM
Of course these two announcers want Bagwell and Biggio in the Hall of Fame! They give those two ------- every chance they get. Makes me want to turn on the radio! At least Marty'll be more crotchety as the Reds lose instead of sounding like he's having more and more fun as the Astros score and score and score again.

ws1990reds
04-15-2005, 09:27 PM
Aurilia was supposed to be insurance for Lopez,,,,, Aurilia has started 6 out of 9 games! That is RETARDED. Miley is obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer because anybody who puts a guy who is paid to hit RBI's in the two hole is out of his gourd.

I agree 100%. Just wait and see, all those who disagree with this line of thinking will be the ones in the second half of the season suggesting that Griffey should be hitting lower in the lineup. Wait, they're already starting. :bowrofl:

redsrule2500
04-15-2005, 09:27 PM
Reds Suck.




Reds Suck Suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reds Suck!

cincyinco
04-15-2005, 09:27 PM
ARG! I'm def. going home now. BOO paul wilson. BOO!

jfar23
04-15-2005, 09:28 PM
Death by Jason Lane....ouch.

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 09:29 PM
This team isn't going to survive May

pedro
04-15-2005, 09:29 PM
This is pathetic. Why don't the Reds just hang'em up and go on home? If you're not going to swing the damn bat with 2 strikes, ride the pine and let someone that WANTS to play do the swinging. This really highlights one of Miley's weaknesses as manager. Do you think that Larussa or Torre would put up with this? I don't think they would. :eek:

I assume you are talking about Dunn.

Oswalt through a quality curve on a 3-2 count. Lots of good hitters are going to have problems with that pitch, regardless of who the manager is.

ws1990reds
04-15-2005, 09:30 PM
What's everyone else predicting the place the Reds will finish in? I'm predicting 5th place. Great job, DanO, for wasting money in the offseason on these retreads. :thumbup:

MasonBuzz3
04-15-2005, 09:30 PM
i blame this all on aurilia

Aronchis
04-15-2005, 09:31 PM
I don't know what the big deal is, you aren't going to get Paul Wilson 2004, but 2003 as expected. 2 QS, 1 off start. Sounds like a good 5 to me :)

BBevinsGK27
04-15-2005, 09:31 PM
I assume you are talking about Dunn.

Oswalt through a quality curve on a 3-2 count. Lots of good hitters are going to have problems with that pitch, regardless of who the manager is.


Dunn isn't the exception to this: He is the rule. This whole team,,, it's like, hell, at least take your hacks at the darn ball! Okay, you miss and look silly, but how stupid do you look when the bat stay lodged firmly on your shoulder and you get rung up?????

ws1990reds
04-15-2005, 09:31 PM
This team isn't going to survive May

Precisely. Right now it's looking like they'll be sitting 8-10 games by the end of May.

pedro
04-15-2005, 09:34 PM
Dunn isn't the exception to this: He is the rule. This whole team,,, it's like, hell, at least take your hacks at the darn ball! Okay, you miss and look silly, but how stupid do you look when the bat stay lodged firmly on your shoulder and you get rung up?????

most hitters are sitting on a fastball with a 3-2 count. if the pitcher is good enough to buckle your knees with a 3-2 curve there's not much a batter can do.

WVRedsFan
04-15-2005, 09:34 PM
This team isn't going to survive May

I'm really not surprised at the performance. The lineup is a mess. Griffey has only 2 rbi's this year despite hitting fairly well. Why? He's batting second. Joe Randa has a hot few games and all of a sudden he's a cleanup hitter? We need offense (obviously) and we play Aurillia (can't spell it) instead of a kid who can hit for defensive purposes and...well, you get the idea.

And that doesn't even address the fact that Claussen hasn't pitched enough to jeopardize his red shirt. What is the wide, wide world of sports is going on?

wheels
04-15-2005, 09:34 PM
I assume you are talking about Dunn.

Oswalt through a quality curve on a 3-2 count. Lots of good hitters are going to have problems with that pitch, regardless of who the manager is.

It's not even worth arguing about.

KronoRed
04-15-2005, 09:36 PM
i blame this all on aurilia
Same here

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 09:37 PM
Also...if the starters have to be rescued every other day....the bullpen won't survive either

pedro
04-15-2005, 09:37 PM
It's not even worth arguing about.

I know.

RFS62
04-15-2005, 09:40 PM
When you've got pedestrian stuff like Paul Wilson, you have to have command. You can't leave a pitch up and over the plate, or you'll get punished.

He got punished for mistakes tonight, but he also got beat on his best pitch a few times.

BBevinsGK27
04-15-2005, 09:40 PM
Pedro, you know what, you are right. I just wish the guys would at least swing the bat. I mean, Oswalt is throwing some dirty stuff, but, heck, at least get your money's worth.

BadFundamentals
04-15-2005, 09:41 PM
most hitters are sitting on a fastball with a 3-2 count. if the pitcher is good enough to buckle your knees with a 3-2 curve there's not much a batter can do.
yes nasty curve.....

only guys who make adjustment on that are guys like Casey, Randa et al. Guys who either always have a more compact swing and good early recognition of pitches or guys who adjust approach with 2 strikes so they can foul off pitches which they're fooled on. He is neither.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 09:42 PM
Cruz and Jimenez with hits to start the 6th

MWM
04-15-2005, 09:43 PM
but he also got beat on his best pitch a few times.

Good observation, and very true. Not a good sign, because early in the game I was thinking his stuff looked as good as it had in a while (relatively speaking of course).

traderumor
04-15-2005, 09:44 PM
most hitters are sitting on a fastball with a 3-2 count. if the pitcher is good enough to buckle your knees with a 3-2 curve there's not much a batter can do.
Dunn had enough time to take a practice swing on that offspeed pitch. It's one thing to shrug at his strikeout in total. It's entirely another to let that one go by, even if he was fooled. Take a hack, at least try to foul it off, something.

wheels
04-15-2005, 09:44 PM
When you've got pedestrian stuff like Paul Wilson, you have to have command. You can't leave a pitch up and over the plate, or you'll get punished.

He got punished for mistakes tonight, but he also got beat on his best pitch a few times.

He's seemingly had good movement on his fastball tonight, and he's snuck a few of them over for called thirds, but when he hangs 'em....

Yeeeouch.

This staff is on pace (it's funny to talk about pace this early) to give up an unbelievable amount of gophers this year.

Just think about who's pitching tomorrow.

traderumor
04-15-2005, 09:45 PM
He's seemingly had good movement on his fastball tonight, and he's snuck a few of them over for called thirds, but when he hangs 'em....

Yeeeouch.

This staff is on pace (it's funny to talk about pace this early) to give up an unbelievable amount of gophers this year.

Just think about who's pitching tomorrow.I'd recommend not calculating "on pace" in game 9

BadFundamentals
04-15-2005, 09:45 PM
ha ha ....pretty funny wheels ! ! :D :D

:runawaycr

traderumor
04-15-2005, 09:46 PM
we need a sac fly [clap, clap, clap, clap]

traderumor
04-15-2005, 09:47 PM
There it is baby, sac fly, called it :KoolAid:

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 09:47 PM
Casey with a sac fly 6-1

wheels
04-15-2005, 09:48 PM
I'd recommend not calculating "on pace" in game 9

You've been thinking about it too, haven't you? :D

BadFundamentals
04-15-2005, 09:48 PM
There it is baby, sac fly, called it :KoolAid:
5 more of those and it's a new ball game.

wheels
04-15-2005, 09:49 PM
Astrobuddy's in the house!

Bet you're loving this aren't you?

And why is this the first time I've noticed you this year?

MWM
04-15-2005, 09:51 PM
I've seen the best hitters in the game get buckled by a two strike pitch from great pitchers. It happens.

wheels
04-15-2005, 09:52 PM
I've seen the best hitters in the game get buckled by a two strike pitch from great pitchers. It happens.

This just in....Baseball is a HARD game.

traderumor
04-15-2005, 09:53 PM
You've been thinking about it too, haven't you? :D
Nope, i'm more concerned about there being two men on base when they give 'em up, that two straight starts Wilson is gassed and can't get the ball down after five innings, and five pretty good innings at that. That is Wilson, that's his game. And we get two more years of it.

pedro
04-15-2005, 09:54 PM
Dunn had enough time to take a practice swing on that offspeed pitch. It's one thing to shrug at his strikeout in total. It's entirely another to let that one go by, even if he was fooled. Take a hack, at least try to foul it off, something.

maybe he thought it was going to be a ball. it was a great pitch.

westofyou
04-15-2005, 09:54 PM
This just in....Baseball is a HARD game.

Yep, even harder when you spot the other team over 5 a night.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2005, 09:54 PM
Bagwell with a sac fly 7-1 :thumbdown

BadFundamentals
04-15-2005, 09:57 PM
oh boy...getting ugly....they've probaby stopped selling beer too

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 09:57 PM
oh boy...getting ugly....they've probaby stopped selling beer too


mmm....beer

traderumor
04-15-2005, 09:58 PM
I've seen the best hitters in the game get buckled by a two strike pitch from great pitchers. It happens.
However, if Aurilia stands there and looks foolish on an eephus pitch, I'm pretty sure there would be three threads started about how bad he sucks, which he does, just not understanding why folks are making excuses for Dunn in that at bat. I mean, no one will kick anyone out of the "strikeout is just an out" club if they say "man, c'mon Dunn, do something with that pitch"

flyer85
04-15-2005, 09:58 PM
It is really depressing whenever I see Weathers or Weber out there. They have nothing, kinda like Paul WIlson I guess.

pedro
04-15-2005, 09:58 PM
This just in....Baseball is a HARD game.

you think? ;)

BadFundamentals
04-15-2005, 09:58 PM
George is pimping the Real Reds show tomorrow and the Cubs series.

:bash:

traderumor
04-15-2005, 09:59 PM
Weber's not doing anything to make last year look like an anomaly

westofyou
04-15-2005, 10:01 PM
you think? ;)

It is.

I ran the numbers

http://207.21.202.162/chron/hieroglyphics.gif

Aronchis
04-15-2005, 10:01 PM
Weber is a easy ax. Need a roster spot, tell Weber bye bye.

westofyou
04-15-2005, 10:01 PM
It's like putting out fire with gasoline

Virginia Beach Reds
04-15-2005, 10:01 PM
yeah, Weber looks bad.

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 10:02 PM
This won't help....Weathers warming up

westofyou
04-15-2005, 10:02 PM
What's worse?

Gas Prices

Stock Market?


Reds Offensive woes

Paul Wilson #1

KronoRed
04-15-2005, 10:04 PM
I'd get Brandon in..get him some work tonight

MWM
04-15-2005, 10:05 PM
However, if Aurilia stands there and looks foolish on an eephus pitch, I'm pretty sure there would be three threads started about how bad he sucks, which he does, just not understanding why folks are making excuses for Dunn in that at bat. I mean, no one will kick anyone out of the "strikeout is just an out" club if they say "man, c'mon Dunn, do something with that pitch"

You're projecting what you think could happen and making judgements on others because of it. If people comment about Aurilia it's based on three straight years of poor and declining performance and the fact that three teams gave up on him. And it's because of his entire body of work this year. Not because of a single AB.And no, not against someone as nasty as Roy Oswalt would I ever criticize a player for getting buckled up by a pitch like that. That was a flat-out nasty pitch, I don't think you can criticize a hitter for watching it. There's nothing Dunn, or many major league hitters, could have done with that pitch. When great ptichers are on, they shut down even the best lineups in the game. That's what we're seing tonight.

M2
04-15-2005, 10:06 PM
If only there had been some way to take an educated guess that David Weathers and Ben Weber might be a little less than all that and a bag of chips.

schroomytunes
04-15-2005, 10:08 PM
Yeah, this team is not hitting at all.What I dont understand is that Aurillia is still starting, why? Also, if Weber cant reach 90 on his fastball then I say DL him and bring up Coffey,or Stone.We gotta get Wily Mo more AB's, why not go with this lineup 2 morrow against the stros, what do we got to lose?

1)Freel-rf
2)jimenez-2b
3)Casey-1b
4)Dunn-lf
5)Randa-3b
6)Pena-cf
7)Larue-c
8)Lopez-ss

BadFundamentals
04-15-2005, 10:09 PM
Against my better judgment I interject this comment.
The early game single by Kearns will likely have more WPA than this bottom of the 7th leadoff double by Dunn (being that score is 9-1). And rightly so.

westofyou
04-15-2005, 10:10 PM
Kearns and Aurilia both K'd the inning after Dunn did. Kearns looking too.

Nasty....

flyer85
04-15-2005, 10:11 PM
Against my better judgment I interject this comment.
The early game single by Kearns will likely have more WPA than this bottom of the 7th leadoff double by Dunn (being that score is 9-1). And rightly so.thanks sherlock

MWM
04-15-2005, 10:11 PM
The strange thing about Larue's HBP is that none of them are that close to the plate. They all come at him square in the back where he doesn't have much chance at getting out of the way.

westofyou
04-15-2005, 10:11 PM
The WPA built some cool bridges.. thay had some cool posters too.

SteelSD
04-15-2005, 10:12 PM
If only there had been some way to take an educated guess that David Weathers and Ben Weber might be a little less than all that and a bag of chips.

Yeah, I've often wondered about that too.

BadFundamentals
04-15-2005, 10:12 PM
thanks sherlock
your welcome Louie.

point is good example of marginal value of bases/runs and how they change based on score of game. (and inning)

flyer85
04-15-2005, 10:14 PM
I guess Jason Lane is Paul Wilson's daddy.

GoReds
04-15-2005, 10:15 PM
your welcome Louie.

point is good example of marginal value of bases/runs and how they change based on score of game. (and inning)

And, of course, it involved placing Dunn in a negative light.

MWM
04-15-2005, 10:15 PM
If only there had been some way to take an educated guess that David Weathers and Ben Weber might be a little less than all that and a bag of chips.

these guys have been in the game their whole lives. They must know what they're doing.

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 10:16 PM
Weathers

M2
04-15-2005, 10:19 PM
Adam Everett, power hitter.

Mutaman
04-15-2005, 10:19 PM
For the first time this season I'm starting to get upset. The whole time the Astros were in New York everybody talked about how weak their offense is. I had hopes that for once we were going to have a decent pitching staff. This stinks. (And the Red's offense is nothing to write home about either).

flyer85
04-15-2005, 10:19 PM
these guys have been in the game their whole lives. They must know what they're doing.they just don't have the stuff to do it.

SteelSD
04-15-2005, 10:24 PM
For the first time this season I'm starting to get upset. The whole time the Astros were in New York everybody talked about how weak their offense is. I had hopes that for once we were going to have a decent pitching staff. This stinks. (And the Red's offense is nothing to write home about either).

Keep in mind that this pitching staff is fully capable of turning even the most average offense into a Boston Red Sox-like juggernaut.

M2
04-15-2005, 10:24 PM
Kearns misjudged that one.

flyer85
04-15-2005, 10:24 PM
We need Reidling and TVP.

RFS62
04-15-2005, 10:25 PM
Kearns misjudged that one.


Yeah, it was a tough chance, but he fought it all the way.

MWM
04-15-2005, 10:26 PM
Folks, this isn't the last time we're going to see a game like this one. Paul Wilson is not a ood pitcher and the bullpen could be worse than last year's. One thing I heard a lot this offseason that I thoroughly disagreed with is that the bullpen was much improved. I don't buy it. And if Belisle ends up in the rotation for any period of time, that takes out probably the best person outside of Wagner they had there.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2005, 10:26 PM
Weathers throws a scoreless inning. Sign this man long term!

Virginia Beach Reds
04-15-2005, 10:28 PM
Weathers throws a scoreless inning. Sign this man long term!

what inning were you watchin?

:all_cohol

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2005, 10:28 PM
Weathers throws a scoreless inning. Sign this man long term!

Nevermind. I missed the two runs the Astros scored.

Virginia Beach Reds
04-15-2005, 10:29 PM
we look really bad tonight.

tomorrow another day will dawn. they'll be playing ball again and we have a chance to get back to .500.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2005, 10:29 PM
what inning were you watchin?

:all_cohol

I'm following on MLB gamecast. They had it as 9-2 bottom 8th and then changed it to 11-2 after I made that post.

westofyou
04-15-2005, 10:29 PM
2004

NAME G GS W L Sv Hld IP H ER HR BB SO K/9 P/GS WHIP ERA
Reds 22 22 12 10 10 23 191.0 221 105 31 61 130 6.13 82.2 1.48 4.95


2005

NAME G GS W L Sv Hld IP H ER HR BB SO K/9 P/GS WHIP ERA
Reds 8 8 4 4 2 5 68.0 73 33 14 28 43 5.69 84.8 1.49 4.37

schroomytunes
04-15-2005, 10:30 PM
So far this bullpen SUCKS! If weber and weathers dont turn it around this weekend, put them on the DL and bring up Simpson and Coffey. We need fireballers. Also, Wilson's gotta start producing come on, earn the damn contract.

flyer85
04-15-2005, 10:31 PM
Is anybody else worried about Jrs slow bat? On a 2-0 he was late on a 90 mph fastball. That is not a good sign.

Virginia Beach Reds
04-15-2005, 10:31 PM
I'm following on MLB gamecast. They had it as 9-2 bottom 8th and then changed it to 11-2 after I made that post.

that's cool... just getting punchy.

Virginia Beach Reds
04-15-2005, 10:32 PM
Wow! Aaron Heilman (Norf Tides farmhand) just threw a comp game one hitter against the Marlins tonight! Impressive.

Aronchis
04-15-2005, 10:34 PM
I don't know why you people are so worried about the BP. Unlike last year, the Reds have some power arms they can install into the unit. We already have Wagner and Valentine here. The rotation and them going more than 5 innings is the key. If Wilson is going to have a bad year, they can move Belisle and Claussen permanently into the rotation to work their stuff.

M2
04-15-2005, 10:35 PM
WOY, are you saying the pitching's looking awfully similar to last year?

oneupper
04-15-2005, 10:36 PM
Wow! Aaron Heilman (Norf Tides farmhand) just threw a comp game one hitter against the Marlins tonight! Impressive.


Other Games:

Bruce Chen over Carl Pavano
Jeff Suppan over Ben Sheets (so far)
Zambrano knocked around (no decision)

westofyou
04-15-2005, 10:37 PM
WOY, are you saying the pitching's looking awfully similar to last year?


http://iamsparticus.com/images/yellow-duck.gif

M2
04-15-2005, 10:38 PM
We have that exact duck in the house.

Virginia Beach Reds
04-15-2005, 10:39 PM
now thats a pretty little yella ducky!

Matt700wlw
04-15-2005, 10:42 PM
http://iamsparticus.com/images/yellow-duck.gif


http://totallytots.com/shop/img/gund_BathtimeErnie_3x4.jpg

wheels
04-15-2005, 10:43 PM
Folks, this isn't the last time we're going to see a game like this one. Paul Wilson is not a ood pitcher and the bullpen could be worse than last year's. One thing I heard a lot this offseason that I thoroughly disagreed with is that the bullpen was much improved. I don't buy it. And if Belisle ends up in the rotation for any period of time, that takes out probably the best person outside of Wagner they had there.

I want Todd Coffey.

Now.

wheels
04-15-2005, 10:44 PM
Is that a "Chuck n' DUCK"?

MasonBuzz3
04-15-2005, 10:46 PM
I want Todd Coffey.

Now.
ditto

redsfan4445
04-15-2005, 10:47 PM
I think the Reds left their bats in Florida!. well most have.. i think Randa is pressing a litle batting 4th..but he is more our only threat!!.. sad showing if you ask me!!..

1990WorldChamps
04-15-2005, 10:49 PM
Larkin is sitting at home and saying "Aurelia, are you kidding me?"

reds44
04-15-2005, 10:52 PM
That was a beating!

Aronchis
04-15-2005, 10:53 PM
Larkin is sitting at home and saying "Aurelia, are you kidding me?"

and "where is my boy Lopez" fuddy?

flyer85
04-15-2005, 10:59 PM
Larkin is sitting at home and saying "Aurelia, are you kidding me?"I pretty sure his is laughing his you know what off.

reds44
04-15-2005, 11:01 PM
That is what you call being flat!

flyer85
04-15-2005, 11:02 PM
That is what you call being flat!More like rotten pitching.