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Matt700wlw
04-17-2005, 04:23 PM
wow

adampad
04-17-2005, 04:23 PM
Strike 4 your out!!!

FeartheEars
04-17-2005, 04:23 PM
I love Ryan Wagner! Why can't Valentine take lessons from him?

Caveat Emperor
04-17-2005, 04:23 PM
Ryan Wagner is disgusting. He should be promoted to closer immediately.

Period.

wheels
04-17-2005, 04:24 PM
Ryan Scott Wagner.

Falls City Beer
04-17-2005, 04:24 PM
Why do I always get a little itchy when a Reds pitcher performs well? Sword of Damocles?

Brisco
04-17-2005, 04:24 PM
For all the criticism we did of signing little Joe... admit it, every person reading this has the more optimism about his upcoming ab over anyone elses.

ah what a difference a week makes

OSURedLeg
04-17-2005, 04:25 PM
Ryan Wagner is disgusting. He should be promoted to closer immediately.

Period.


I agree, enough with the Danny Graves side show. Everytime he comes into a close game I feel like I'm getting years knocked off the end of my life. My heart just can't handle it anymore.

Larkin411
04-17-2005, 04:25 PM
Skinny Ryan is performing a lot better than pleasantly plump Ryan did last year. Hope it lasts.

SirFelixCat
04-17-2005, 04:25 PM
Ryan Wagner is disgusting. He should be promoted to closer immediately.

Period.

Again, I say this is why I drafted him in my Big $$$ league this year. I couldn't help but see him closing for the Reds, NLT the AS Break. :thumbup:


I'm "watching" the game via gamecast and listening to Marty thanks to the blackout here in Amarillo, and I could see how nasty RW was :thumbup:

Matt700wlw
04-17-2005, 04:25 PM
Ryan Wagner makes Danny Graves look like Jimmy Haynes

pedro
04-17-2005, 04:25 PM
When Wagner thows strikes his stuff reminds me of Mario Rivera. Nasty.

membengal
04-17-2005, 04:25 PM
Been a lloooooooonnnnggg time since the Reds have run an arm out of the bullpen that

A) Made you want to look in excitement rather than fear and

B) Brought that kind of stuff to the mound.

Last one that made me excited like Wagner is right now was Dibble in his heyday .

Sure would be nice to go ahead and get some runs here to get Wagner in line for the "W" since Harang cannot get it.

wheels
04-17-2005, 04:26 PM
I can't help but wonder what turn of events could transpire that would get Coffey up with the big club, but whenever it happens, those two (Todd and Ryan) can bring the electricity level up a notch or two.

They've got the primordial ooze of a bullpen that can be vicious in the coming years.

CincyRedsFan30
04-17-2005, 04:26 PM
Casey K's. 1 out.

sjm
04-17-2005, 04:26 PM
What in the heck has happened to Casey this year?

OSURedLeg
04-17-2005, 04:27 PM
Does it seem to anyone else that Casey is not seeing the ball very well right now? He's swinging at some really poor pitches, and usually he's got a better eye than that. I'm just sick of watching him hit dribblers each AB because he's not swinging at his pitch.

SandyD
04-17-2005, 04:27 PM
Yes, he had a walk off home run back in 2002 against the Dodgers. Eric Gagne was alot ejected for hitting Dunn after serving up a home run to Aaron Boone.

I was at that game. Jr came in as a ph in the bottom of 9th and struck out. Came up again in the 11th, I think, and grounded out. It was the bottom of the 13th when he hit the walk-off. Great moment.

Chip R
04-17-2005, 04:28 PM
We're going to need to find some more options in the bullpen because Wagner cannot pitch every day. It'd be nice if he could but he'll be burnt out by the all star break if he does.

What is D'Lo's OBP this season? I'm just curious to see if he's getting on base enough to fill the leadoff role. I was afraid this was going to happen again since last year he hit poorly in the leadoff spot but he got on base at a decent clip. I'm guessing Miley gives D'Lo all of April and part of May to right the ship or else Freel is going to be in there.

FeartheEars
04-17-2005, 04:28 PM
He not only assumed Larkin's role as leader but slow starter as well perhaps? I remember years when Barry would just flat out struggle for a month or two. Give Case time he will bounce back

OSURedLeg
04-17-2005, 04:28 PM
Randa Rakin' like always

CincyRedsFan30
04-17-2005, 04:28 PM
Randa singles.

Matt700wlw
04-17-2005, 04:28 PM
Joe Randa continues to impress the naysayers :)

LvJ
04-17-2005, 04:28 PM
Another hit for Randa. :KoolAid:

HEY DUNN, hit a HR for my 8K post! :dancingco

SteelSD
04-17-2005, 04:28 PM
"At this moment, Biggio handles the bat really well," Garner said. "He's probably a little better hitting to all fields than Everett is. I think Everett's strength is left-center field and from second base around. I don't want to put Everett in a position where he's taking away from his strength to try to hit behind a runner or try to take pitches."

Translation:

"Adam Everett is fast and he's overmatched on fastballs, sliders, curveballs, and pretty much anything but a changeup. He can hit those when he's guessing right. And fast people hit at the top of my lineup regardless of how many Outs they make. Except Tavarez. Because he's a rookie. And rookies don't hit at the top of my lineup."

paintmered
04-17-2005, 04:29 PM
I was at that game. Jr came in as a ph in the bottom of 9th and struck out. Came up again in the 11th, I think, and grounded out. It was the bottom of the 13th when he hit the walk-off. Great moment.


Yes it was. You and I were two of about 500 people that were still in the ballpark at that point. I also remember getting a vicious sunburn as a result of that game.

OSURedLeg
04-17-2005, 04:29 PM
Dunn needs to break out of the slump right here. The timing couldn't be better.

Puffy
04-17-2005, 04:30 PM
Man, Sean Casey is clueless right now. Not driving the ball at all, not walking, striking out, not getting rbi's. Its tough to score when you're top three hitters are struggling (although Junior isn't technically struggling, he is pretty close to it)

Caveat Emperor
04-17-2005, 04:30 PM
I was at that game. Jr came in as a ph in the bottom of 9th and struck out. Came up again in the 11th, I think, and grounded out. It was the bottom of the 13th when he hit the walk-off. Great moment.

I was at that game as well.

If I remember correctly, Jimmy Haynes almost went yard when he was placed in as a pinch hitter in the 11th or 12th.

SteelSD
04-17-2005, 04:31 PM
Does it seem to anyone else that Casey is not seeing the ball very well right now? He's swinging at some really poor pitches, and usually he's got a better eye than that. I'm just sick of watching him hit dribblers each AB because he's not swinging at his pitch.

That's a good point. I've always felt that Casey can make contact with any pitch he chooses to. His slumps, IMHO, is that he gets into a funk where he chooses to make contact with ANY pitch rather than waiting for the pitch he should be hitting.

Falls City Beer
04-17-2005, 04:31 PM
Look for a pitch in on the hands Adam.

CincyRedsFan30
04-17-2005, 04:31 PM
Dunn flies out. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
04-17-2005, 04:32 PM
Wily Mo!!!!

sjm
04-17-2005, 04:32 PM
Pena!!!!!!

OSURedLeg
04-17-2005, 04:32 PM
Wily Mo Strikes Again!!!

SirFelixCat
04-17-2005, 04:32 PM
Wmp!!!!!

OnBaseMachine
04-17-2005, 04:32 PM
Dunn has looked a little better today. Has worked the count to 3-2 twice, doubled to deep right, and a HBP.

realreds1
04-17-2005, 04:32 PM
Free Wily Mo!

Jaycint
04-17-2005, 04:32 PM
Safe!!! I hope Randa didn't jam an ankle or knee to bad there.

SteelSD
04-17-2005, 04:32 PM
Pena!!

LvJ
04-17-2005, 04:32 PM
Safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Thank You Pena!~!!!!

8k Posts!!!

:owned: :dancingco

CincyRedsFan30
04-17-2005, 04:32 PM
Pena doubles...6-5 Reds!!!!

FeartheEars
04-17-2005, 04:33 PM
Who sits to give Pena more playing time?

Matt700wlw
04-17-2005, 04:33 PM
Get another run because Graves needs a cushion :help:


(or let Wagner close it and not have to worry about it)

Larkin411
04-17-2005, 04:33 PM
Congrats, LvJ!

SirFelixCat
04-17-2005, 04:33 PM
Note to the starting 3 OF's: WMP is coming. You better be hittin' ;)

westofyou
04-17-2005, 04:33 PM
Who sits to give Pena more playing time?

I say they move Bobby Thompson to 3rd Base

paintmered
04-17-2005, 04:34 PM
Danny Graves coming in. Buckle up folks.

CincyRedsFan30
04-17-2005, 04:34 PM
6-5 Reds after 8 as Lopez K's.

SirFelixCat
04-17-2005, 04:34 PM
Raise your hand if you would like to see Wagner finish that game. Yes, I know it will not happen, but who would like to see it???


:raiseshand:

Falls City Beer
04-17-2005, 04:34 PM
Hats off to Wiily. This Qualls kid is no kitty-cat, either. He's an exceedingly underrated pitcher.

FeartheEars
04-17-2005, 04:35 PM
Maybe a time to give Casey a day off soon and put Dunn at first with Wily Mo in the OF.

sjm
04-17-2005, 04:35 PM
When Jiminez, Casey, Griffey, Dunn, Kearns, Aurillia, and Lopez realize that the season is underway and get their heads out of their arses we will score a lot of runs.

redsrule2500
04-17-2005, 04:35 PM
Oh no....Danny Graves :runaway:

Matt700wlw
04-17-2005, 04:35 PM
Who's nervous? :wave:

redsrule2500
04-17-2005, 04:35 PM
Maybe a time to give Casey a day off soon and put Dunn at first with Wily Mo in the OF.

What has Dunn done that Casey hasn't?

FeartheEars
04-17-2005, 04:35 PM
Hit a HR?

membengal
04-17-2005, 04:36 PM
Graves is overdue for an easy save.

As for WilyMo, that double was to RF off of a right-handed pitcher. He went with the pitch away from him and served to to RF with his natural power. Beautiful to see.

sjm
04-17-2005, 04:36 PM
What has Dunn done that Casey hasn't?

Had a day off.

Caveat Emperor
04-17-2005, 04:36 PM
Who's nervous? :wave:

Is it just me, or is anyone else's brain hearing that "clicking" noise that a rollercoaster makes as it's going up one of those giant hills?

Dom Heffner
04-17-2005, 04:36 PM
Who sits to give Pena more playing time?

Kearns should, but because he had a nice two months three years ago, they'll end up trading Pena.

westofyou
04-17-2005, 04:36 PM
What has Dunn done that Casey hasn't?

Slugged over .500

redsrule2500
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
Hit a HR?

But who has a better average?

Falls City Beer
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
What has Dunn done that Casey hasn't?

Well, so far, they've both bit the bologna. But the thing about Dunn is he'll take some walks to help emerge from a slump.

wheels
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
The Sports list?

What???

Where's the game?

Fox???

Helllloooo?

paintmered
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
Lane with a leadoff double.

And here we go again.

LvJ
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
UMMMM, did THE SPORTS LIST just coming on for anyone else? :runawaycr

Wheres the game?!

Larkin411
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
Okay my cable is messing with me. It's playing the Sports List. Anger Mounting...

sjm
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
Graves is terrible!!!!!!

SirFelixCat
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
Raise your hand if you would like to see Wagner finish that game. Yes, I know it will not happen, but who would like to see it???


:raiseshand:

Are there any other closers in MLB w/o a K this season? :runawaycr

Matt700wlw
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
Danny Graves should be cut tomorrow....Ryan Wagner can close

:rant:

gilpdawg
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
Um, what the hell, FSN just switched to "The Sports List." This is not cool.

CincyRedsFan30
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
Lane doubles.

FeartheEars
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
I am not saying bench casey for any length of time, just give him a day off to take advantage of Pena hitting the ball well right now.

fsp382
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
Did anyone else have Fox sports just start playing the Sports List!?

OnBaseMachine
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
Lane doubles. :rolleyes:

and here we go.

SteelSD
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
Ok. WHAT just happened to the game feed?? I'm now watching "The Sports List".

AARRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!

Matt700wlw
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
Okay my cable is messing with me. It's playing the Sports List. Anger Mounting...


FSN is having issues....

Petitt33
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
Sports List is on for me too.

jason
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
Okay someone is going to die my cable company just put on the sports list in the middle of the last commercial. It is the top 10 shortstops so at least i'll get to see some Larkin highlights. OKay good its not just me, oh wait its back now

FeartheEars
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
Yes no more game for me. What is going on? Did they decide to skip the 9th. Updates please!!!

membengal
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
Help!!!!

Need Play By Play From Anyone With A Radio Feed!!!!

PuffyPig
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
That actually looked like a fairly good, low pitch.

Crumbley
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
Sports List just came on for me. I'm not adverse to looking at Summer Sanders but come on.

Larkin411
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
I can't believe both channels are...oh there it's fixed. Nevermind

wheels
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
Okay...This stinks.

Game back on now, but this still stinks.

Petitt33
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
Okay, it's back and there is a runner on second. :(

Marty and Joe
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
Did anyone else have Fox sports just start playing the Sports List!?

Yes - but, back on now.

:rant2:

SirFelixCat
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
Scott bails out Danny with a bad swing. F8


1 out

Crumbley
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
And the game is back. Huzzah.

gilpdawg
04-17-2005, 04:39 PM
Games' back on. Thanks Fox for missing the first two batters.

wheels
04-17-2005, 04:39 PM
One more out please.

sjm
04-17-2005, 04:39 PM
2 fly outs in a row.

redsrule2500
04-17-2005, 04:39 PM
Sports List!!!!!!

edit: nevermind they fixed it !!

flyer85
04-17-2005, 04:39 PM
maybe they don't want us to watch Graves blow the save.

Kc61
04-17-2005, 04:39 PM
Two outs. Graves giving up flies, one for a double, two right at guys.

SteelSD
04-17-2005, 04:39 PM
Ok. It's back. Someone at Dish Network just saved their own hide.

Two down...breathe...breathe...deep breaths...

OnBaseMachine
04-17-2005, 04:39 PM
Many thanks to Scott and Chavez.

wheels
04-17-2005, 04:39 PM
Sinker must not be sinking.

paintmered
04-17-2005, 04:39 PM
Graves is terrible!!!!!!


http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=663770&postcount=223

LvJ
04-17-2005, 04:39 PM
Game back on. :)

1 more Danny. :runaway:

redsrule2500
04-17-2005, 04:39 PM
Ok. It's back. Someone at Dish Network just saved their own hide.

Two down...breathe...breathe...deep breaths...

It wasn't dish network - I have WOW Cable and it switched.

westofyou
04-17-2005, 04:39 PM
I left the directv list and went to the Fox channel to get the game

CincyRedsFan30
04-17-2005, 04:40 PM
1 more out Danny...

realreds1
04-17-2005, 04:40 PM
The Sports list?

What???

Where's the game?

Fox???

Helllloooo?



I blame Heidi! Heidi! ARRGGGHHHH!

SirFelixCat
04-17-2005, 04:40 PM
Please please please......

Dom Heffner
04-17-2005, 04:40 PM
Scott flied out.

Caveat Emperor
04-17-2005, 04:40 PM
I can't blame FSN, I often feel compelled to change the channel when Danny Graves is pitching...

sjm
04-17-2005, 04:40 PM
Wild pitch. Runner to 3rd.

gilpdawg
04-17-2005, 04:41 PM
It wasn't dish network - I have WOW Cable and it switched.
I think it was network wide. Time Warner switched as well.

LvJ
04-17-2005, 04:41 PM
I blame Heidi! Heidi! ARRGGGHHHH! :bowrofl:

redsrule2500
04-17-2005, 04:41 PM
Why must the Reds give Graves the save every time?!?!? Wagner was playing perfectly fine last inning!!!! (3 K's)

This is crazy :(

Matt700wlw
04-17-2005, 04:41 PM
Graves is a boob

SirFelixCat
04-17-2005, 04:41 PM
Why o why must we endure this pain EVERYDAY with Danny pitching. Man o man...

sjm
04-17-2005, 04:41 PM
Does Graves have nide pictures of Miley?

OnBaseMachine
04-17-2005, 04:41 PM
Everett walks.

adampad
04-17-2005, 04:41 PM
Ok the sportslist is better than this crap.

LvJ
04-17-2005, 04:41 PM
Ugh. Everett was your best chance to end the game, Graves. He's basicly a pitcher.

paintmered
04-17-2005, 04:42 PM
Graves is a boob


:nono:

gilpdawg
04-17-2005, 04:42 PM
In accordance with the new rules, I must say:
Danny Graves thouth doesn'th pitcheth very welleth.

flyer85
04-17-2005, 04:42 PM
I guess Miley just loves exceitement

SirFelixCat
04-17-2005, 04:42 PM
Danny looked to be nowhere near the strikezone on that AB

FeartheEars
04-17-2005, 04:42 PM
nice pitch on 0-1

westofyou
04-17-2005, 04:42 PM
But who has a better average?

The guy with the lower slugging % and ob%?

Matt700wlw
04-17-2005, 04:42 PM
:nono:


sorry....a putz

realreds1
04-17-2005, 04:42 PM
Oh Boy!

redsrule2500
04-17-2005, 04:42 PM
Reds Win!!

paintmered
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Reds Win!

FeartheEars
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Reds Win

OSURedLeg
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Thank God

SirFelixCat
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Finally!

OnBaseMachine
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Ballgame.

Reds win!

LvJ
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Whew. :runaway: :dancingco

CincyRedsFan30
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
And this one belongs to the Reds!!!!

gilpdawg
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
NOBODY SCORES ON DANNY GRAVES!!!! (even when he pitches like crap)

FlyingPig
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Graves can't start..

He can't close..

maybe he can be the guy that answers the phone and calls for pizza in the dugout..

jason
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Player of the Game- WMP

sjm
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Reds win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SteelSD
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Whew! Win!

Aronchis
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Whew, I thought WMP was going to trip over himself catching the flyout ;)

flyer85
04-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Has anything ever been more apparent then Wagner being ready to close instead of Graves.

Petitt33
04-17-2005, 04:44 PM
Please make Wagner the closer...NOW!

Caveat Emperor
04-17-2005, 04:44 PM
Danny Graves: The most exciting three outs in baseball.

Reds Win! :thumbup:

Kc61
04-17-2005, 04:44 PM
I would think the result of this game is that Pena and Wagner should be out there quite a bit.

As for Graves, maybe his luck is changing for the good.

realreds1
04-17-2005, 04:45 PM
"...despite some scary moments in the 9th with Danny Graves on the mound..." -- Marty, post-game

Chip R
04-17-2005, 04:46 PM
Must have been the weekend people at FSN who screwed that up. :rolleyes:

Larkin411
04-17-2005, 04:46 PM
I'd like to take this time to thank Carlos for not re-signing with the Astros.

Jaycint
04-17-2005, 04:46 PM
Reds win! And more importantly, I go 1-0 as the Gameday Thread Starter! :dancingco :KoolAid: :beerme:

CincyRedsFan30
04-17-2005, 04:46 PM
I think Graves still closing is all a big publicity stunt by O'Brien and Miley. They want everyone to stay for the whole game, so they make sure everyone understands that he will be coming in. Suffice to say...no one wants to leave once they know that.

paintmered
04-17-2005, 04:47 PM
Reds win! And more importantly, I go 1-0 as the Gameday Thread Starter! :dancingco :KoolAid: :beerme:


"Today.....I....consider myself the luckiest man........."

FlyingPig
04-17-2005, 04:47 PM
Did the Reds really just take 2 of 3 from the Astros?

:owned:

PuffyPig
04-17-2005, 04:48 PM
It's safe to assume that Graves will remain the closer as long as he doesn't blow any saves.

paintmered
04-17-2005, 04:48 PM
Don't look now, but if St. Louis loses today, the reds are in 1st place.

:ughmamoru

flyer85
04-17-2005, 04:50 PM
It's safe to assume that Graves will remain the closer as long as he doesn't blow any saves.thta shouldn't last much longer. Keep getting yourself in trouble and he is bound to lose one in the near future

Falls City Beer
04-17-2005, 04:51 PM
We'd share first with the Brewers---ewww!

CTA513
04-17-2005, 04:51 PM
Must have been the weekend people at FSN who screwed that up. :rolleyes:
:thumbup:

I was like what the :rant2: is going on.

top6
04-17-2005, 04:53 PM
Does it really matter if Graves or Wagner is the closer? In a close game, one of them will always pitch the 8th and one will always pitch the 9th, or so it seems. If Wagner became the closer, wouldn't Graves just blow the game in the 8th anyway?

HitByPitch
04-17-2005, 04:54 PM
Graves=4 saves/4 chances. Luckily in baseball you only have to win by one run. :KoolAid:

Falls City Beer
04-17-2005, 04:55 PM
Does it really matter if Graves or Wagner is the closer? In a close game, one of them will always pitch the 8th and one will always pitch the 9th, or so it seems. If Wagner became the closer, wouldn't Graves just blow the game in the 8th anyway?

I prefer the Wagner to Graves handoff as well. Wagner should always be the first line of defense--getting K's in the tough spots in the seventh or eighth, leaving a clean slate for Graves in the ninth.

realreds1
04-17-2005, 04:55 PM
Must have been the weekend people at FSN who screwed that up. :rolleyes:


FSN blew a save?

Or maybe they knew it was up to Gravey and they couldn't bring themselves to watch either!

***To be fair... I'd rather watch SUMMER SANDERS than Danny Graves, too.

MMMM... Summer Sanders... *drool*

westofyou
04-17-2005, 04:57 PM
I prefer the Wagner to Graves handoff as well. Wagner should always be the first line of defense--getting K's in the tough spots in the seventh or eighth, leaving a clean slate for Graves in the ninth.

If you want to sell the Plymouth Duster you have to wash it and park by the front gate.

realreds1
04-17-2005, 04:58 PM
Don't look now, but if St. Louis loses today, the reds are in 1st place.

:ughmamoru



Huh? But just two days ago we were out of the race and hoping for the wild card! :dunno:

Raisor
04-17-2005, 04:59 PM
http://media.portland.indymedia.org/images/2002/12/237593.jpg


A...ALWAYS
B...Be
C...Closing

ALWAYS BE CLOSING!!!

TeamRanda
04-17-2005, 05:48 PM
Just returned from the game - two thoughts...
1) Wagner needs to be the closer! Graves is giving me fits! :rant2:
2) What to do with Wily Mo? That HR shot was a monster. Of course, it's a good problem to have - 4 outfielders. So who sits tomorrow night against Woods?

Finally, I hope my baby :randa: is OK... he was walking awfully slowing back to the dugout after coming home after the play at the plate. Gotta :luvu: him!

wheels
04-17-2005, 05:55 PM
Just returned from the game - two thoughts...
1) Wagner needs to be the closer! Graves is giving me fits! :rant2:
2) What to do with Wily Mo? That HR shot was a monster. Of course, it's a good problem to have - 4 outfielders. So who sits tomorrow night against Woods?

Finally, I hope my baby :randa: is OK... he was walking awfully slowing back to the dugout after coming home after the play at the plate. Gotta :luvu: him!

Creek?

Is that you?

Are you no longer faithful to Adam?

TeamRanda
04-17-2005, 05:56 PM
Oh, I :luvu: Dunn, too - just not as much as :randa:. AND I'm not Creek...


Creek?

Is that you?

Are you no longer faithful to Adam?

wheels
04-17-2005, 06:01 PM
Oh, I :luvu: Dunn, too - just not as much as :randa:. AND I'm not Creek...

:D I know, I'm just funnin' with ya.

Mutaman
04-17-2005, 06:08 PM
Re: Wagner as closer- How many times have we seen this kind of arguement. Why don't we just leave Wagner alone doing what he's doing. Remember he's just a kid. We have no idea yet if he has a closers mentality, something Graves clearly has. Remember how messed up Wagner got last year. Why rush the kid, particularly if Graves is doing the job. Foryunatly I think Miley has enough experience and patience that he will let this situation play itself out.

wheels
04-17-2005, 06:32 PM
I think if they leave Wagner as is, it's more beneficial because he can be brought into games during the toughest of situations.

Bring in the best pitcher in the toughest of circumstances, let Graves grab some cheap saves, then ship him off at the dealine for a good 'spect or two.

Solid philosophy. I just hope that's what DanO's thinking too.

oregonred
04-17-2005, 06:47 PM
Re: Wagner as closer- How many times have we seen this kind of arguement. Why don't we just leave Wagner alone doing what he's doing. Remember he's just a kid. We have no idea yet if he has a closers mentality, something Graves clearly has. Remember how messed up Wagner got last year. Why rush the kid, particularly if Graves is doing the job. Foryunatly I think Miley has enough experience and patience that he will let this situation play itself out.

Exactly. Wagner is the heir apparent closer as we've all expected, but let's give the guy some run of success in the setup role for more than 6% of the season. Build his confidence. He's helping the team a ton right now bridging the gap in the 7th/8th innings.

Wagner and Pena's great starts are just terrific news for the young season. Nice to see harang with 8 K's (so rare to see any Reds starter average 1K or more per inning that you ahve to doublecheck the box score for a mistake).

Weren't some of these same people demanding Wagenr be closer post haste the same ones insisting that Riedling be made the closer ASAP last May...

traderumor
04-17-2005, 07:02 PM
Was thinking about how to handle the Wagner situation, since his clone over in Washington, Chad Cordero was handled almost exactly like Wagner, but didn't have a sophomore slump last year. Cordero is the closer this year, of course he is succeeding someone even worse than Graves in Rocky Biddle, and has converted 2 of 3 opportunities. But, honestly I think Cordero has a little bit better fastball than Ryan and if given the choice, I'd take Chad.

It seems like the wrong thing to do is hand Ryan the mantle as closer as they did with him as setup last year. Not sure if it freaked him out mentally, but he didn't get the job done, obviously. But, start reversing the roles occasionally, start giving Wagner some closing opportunities, whether it be coming back out to pitch the ninth or by bringing in Graves first and holding back Wagner for the ninth.

Topcat
04-17-2005, 07:10 PM
All i know is a certain poster is on , the no typing list for 2 weeks. Since the reds took 2 of 3 and won the series :runaway: