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savafan
04-18-2005, 05:02 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spflash174222079apr17,0,247452,print.column?coll=n y-sports-print

Jon Heyman
SPORTS COLUMNIST


April 17, 2005

What if President Bush decides after his term's up, he wants to go back into baseball?

It sounds farfetched - even fanciful - but two people who knew him well from his days as Rangers managing partner told Newsday they still envision Bush wanting to become baseball commissioner.

"That's a job he'd want," one of Bush's baseball friends insisted.

"He'd be a great commissioner," former commissioner Fay Vincent said. "But I don't think the owners would ever again hire someone who isn't one of them to be commissioner. A former president becoming commissioner ... I think that would be highly unlikely." Vincent added: "I'd advise him not to do it. It's a very tough job, a losing situation."

White House spokesman Ken Lisaius said: "The president remains focused on a full plate of priorities in his current job. His focus remains on the work that's important to the American people. He certainly has a love for the game of baseball. But we don't get into hypotheticals." Ah, but we do.

We recall how Bush, before running for governor of Texas, looked into becoming commissioner. The story goes that Bush went to Bud Selig, then head of baseball's executive council, for advice. There's divergence of opinion as to what happened next, but Vincent claimed, "Bud led him on." If true, Selig beat Bush at his own game of politics. "Bud definitely led him on," Vincent asserted. "Bud will deny it."

Selig declined comment, but MLB people insist that isn't true and that Selig - whose contract runs through 2009 - is still close to Bush. MLB people say Vincent has an ax to grind and point out that Bush and Selig recently had a long visit in the Oval Office and sat together for five innings at the Nationals' home opener Thursday night. But Vincent said: "I don't think they're particularly friendly. They're together because Bud's the commissioner, and the president has to deal with him."

Bush continues to show interest in baseball issues, particularly steroids. Some may think Bush is undercutting Selig by continually mentioning that problem, but Selig's people say the commissioner welcomes support for the tougher policies Selig seeks.

Bush talks a good game. But what's his record in baseball? Our one complaint with Selig is his understatement of baseball's 1990s steroid problem. But Bush is no better on this score.

Bush's response to Jose Can- seco's charge that Bush had to know about the steroid problem was to deny it and point to denials of use by former Rangers stars Juan Gonzalez, Pudge Rodriguez and Rafael Palmeiro as proof that Canseco was off base. Palmeiro scored with his denial in congress, but Bush's attempt to create an impression there wasn't use among Rangers is folly.

Politics aside, Bush's Rangers record was spotty. Under him, the Rangers traded Sammy Sosa and Wilson Alvarez for aging Harold Baines, Scott Fletcher and Fred Manrique - perhaps the worst trade of the past quarter century.

Bush was the only owner to vote against the wild card, a vote suggesting that Bush was either upset at Selig or out of touch. As owner, the most noteworthy thing Bush did was make money, for himself.

Jpup
04-18-2005, 05:05 AM
sounds good to me. :thumbup:

vic715
04-18-2005, 08:50 AM
If Bud would have only listened.

johngalt
04-18-2005, 08:53 AM
Talk about the death of baseball. First steroids, then Dubya.

smith288
04-18-2005, 08:56 AM
A former president becoming commissioner ... I think that would be highly unlikely." Vincent added: "I'd advise him not to do it. It's a very tough job, a losing situation."

Are you kidding me? Leader of the free world, continually seeing reports of terrorist activity and possible attacks on our homeland, trying to find a way to get rid of incomes taxes, looking into a way for everyone to agree on fixing social security (dont give me that crap that its perfectly fine), listening to wimps like Shroeder and Chirac and Fay thinks being a commish would be a "very tough job, a losing situation"??? WTH is Fay drinking? Fay has not a clue what the pressure a person has as president. Half the country hates him and 75% of the world hates him regardless of political affiliation...

No, being a commissioner would be like a lemonaide stand compared to "presidenting" (Will Ferrell mocking Bush)

smith288
04-18-2005, 08:59 AM
Talk about the death of baseball. First steroids, then Dubya.
Yea...because Bush will mandate the Bible on all the players and force all players pay a fine for having kids out of wedlock? :rolleyes:

savafan
04-18-2005, 09:05 AM
Yea...because Bush will mandate the Bible on all the players and force all players pay a fine for having kids out of wedlock? :rolleyes:

I don't think Pokey Reese would be able to make a living if that happened.

RedFanAlways1966
04-18-2005, 09:07 AM
Are you kidding me?

No, being a commissioner would be like a lemonaide stand compared to "presidenting" (Will Ferrell mocking Bush)

I thought the same thing, smith, when I first read this thread. Evidently someone has been putting narcotics in Fay's Geritol.

I think Fay still has "hurt feelings" about more-or-less being dumped as Commissioner himself back in 1992. I cannot see him saying anything positive about the job. Fay = Grumpy Old Man.

Anyhow... this whole article is Speculation (with a capital "S"). Two people who claim to know the president say the can "envision" him going back to MLB. Reminds me of the Nat'l Enquirer's fav phrase to justify their crap... "inside sources have said".

Johnny Footstool
04-18-2005, 09:20 AM
George could search for WMDs in ballparks all across the country.

johngalt
04-18-2005, 10:56 AM
Yea...because Bush will mandate the Bible on all the players and force all players pay a fine for having kids out of wedlock? :rolleyes:

No, because everything he's managed - from the oil companies to the Rangers to this country - has gone downhill under his leadership.

Reds4Life
04-18-2005, 10:58 AM
Lets stay on topic and not make this into a political thread.

realreds1
04-18-2005, 10:59 AM
George could search for WMDs in ballparks all across the country.


Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi, Gary Sheffield, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa: all evildoers.

smith288
04-18-2005, 11:11 AM
All Bush was at the Rangers was a face for the ownership. To attribute the Rangers constant failure to accompish anything to Bush only shows the futility to your argument (and like anyone knew Sosa was going to turn out the way he was...Pena is similiar to Sosa during Sosa's early days but there are many who want to trade Pena...)

The country "going downhill" is merely political sniping as there are as many on the other side of the fence who would disagree.

Bush's love for baseball is well known and he has shown the concern to keep it as close to its roots as possible with his vote NO for the wildcard is evidence.

We can all agree the wildcard has been positive in keeping the races interesting, Bush's intention was not to avoid that success.

Im sure he would rethink that vote if he knew then what he knows now.

I think Bush might suprise a few if he led the commissioners office. Even those who opposed his political affiliations might like him as a baseball man.

StillFunkyB
04-18-2005, 11:18 AM
I don't want to see another "owner" become commish.

Baseball needs to hire someone outside the "family" if they want to make things right.

cincinnati chili
04-18-2005, 11:27 AM
He probably wouldn't be the worst and wouldn't be the best commish.

In my opinion, the best commissioner would be someone with a strong background in labor relations and/or antitrust, with at least a smidge of marketing sense.

See Stern, David and Tagliabue, Paul.

westofyou
04-18-2005, 11:28 AM
He probably wouldn't be the worst and wouldn't be the best commish.

In my opinion, the best commissioner would be someone with a strong background in labor relations and/or antitrust, with at least a smidge of marketing sense.

See Stern, David and Tagliabue, Paul.

Speaking of Marketing Accumen do you all know that Fay Vincent was the president of the studio that released Isthar?

Magic..

RedFanAlways1966
04-18-2005, 11:29 AM
If this were to happen (just thinking outloud)...

* I'd bet that Halliburton would become the vendor of all food concessions in MLB stadiums.

* I'd bet that cocaine and DUIs will no longer be grounds for suspension in MLB.

* I'd bet that MLB would build an underground bunker for the commissioner's 2nd in charge.

* I'd bet that Dan Rather will run a fictitious story based on information from Fay Vincent on 60 Minutes II... in an attempt to get the new commish out of office.

* I'd bet that Fay Vincent's wife would claim that the new commish's wife has never had a real job (like her of course). Huh? What's a school teacher?

;) ;)

westofyou
04-18-2005, 11:30 AM
I don't want to see another "owner" become commish.

Baseball needs to hire someone outside the "family" if they want to make things right.

Good luck, Fay was ousted for exactly that reason, the rules were then changed shifting the power back to the owners.

registerthis
04-18-2005, 11:40 AM
Lets stay on topic and not make this into a political thread.
That's going to be rather difficult with the topic of the thread being George Bush...

registerthis
04-18-2005, 11:42 AM
Small-market teams everywhere should cringe at the thought of a billionaire oil tycoon and former top politician taking the reins of the sport. BAD idea...

paintmered
04-18-2005, 11:43 AM
That's going to be rather difficult with the topic of the thread being George Bush...


No, it shouldn't be difficult at all and if you find it to be, create a similar topic in the non-bb side and discuss politics there.

smith288
04-18-2005, 11:45 AM
Small-market teams everywhere should cringe at the thought of a billionaire oil tycoon and former top politician taking the reins of the sport. BAD idea...
I dont agree. On the baseball side of things, I believe fairness among all teams is what everyone wants. I consider myself a pureist and would love to see a more socialist type of system set up INSIDE baseball.

Now if I said that about our own economy I would put a .44 to my head. ;)

johngalt
04-18-2005, 12:18 PM
All Bush was at the Rangers was a face for the ownership. To attribute the Rangers constant failure to accompish anything to Bush only shows the futility to your argument (and like anyone knew Sosa was going to turn out the way he was...Pena is similiar to Sosa during Sosa's early days but there are many who want to trade Pena...)

If all he was for the Rangers was a face, then how can you say he would make a good manager of all 30 MLB teams? He wasn't even trusted enough for one, so how is 30 going to be better?


The country "going downhill" is merely political sniping as there are as many on the other side of the fence who would disagree.

There are many people that would disagree, but you can't dispute the fact that the economy has gone downhill, interest rates have gone up, unemployment has gone up, oil prices have gone up (even before 9/11) and Bush has done a horrible job communicating with other nations/countries.

As a baseball commissioner, if revenue was down across the board, attendance was down, costs of attendance/concessions were skyrocketing, a team or two was in danger of going out of business and you were pissing off union leaders and/or fellow owners, I would imagine you'd be considered a poor comissioner.

THAT'S why he would be a poor commissioner, not because I'm a liberal with blind disdain for Bush.

BrooklynRedz
04-18-2005, 12:19 PM
I think you could probably find a much worse candidate for the job than W. I think the league could use a commish who was seen in more of an ombudsman role. W could pull it off. George Mitchell would also be a good call, IMHO. I also wonder if the owners would ever consider a former player.

smith288
04-18-2005, 12:38 PM
THAT'S why he would be a poor commissioner, not because I'm a liberal with blind disdain for Bush.

Your posts are never taken objectively if its about Bush. I dont even know why you bother...your game is so transparent that even something as simple as Bush going into roller derby you would accuse him of alterior motives... geez.

Im a supporter of Bush but i dont have a blind following of him either (illegal aliens being a major sticking point). I think I can view this story (even if untrue) with a slight bit of objectivity.

M2
04-18-2005, 12:39 PM
I don't like his politics one bit, but I think he'd be a fine commissioner. The guy seems to have a genuine love of sports.

I think his optimal post-Presidential job would be head of the USOC.

smith288
04-18-2005, 12:40 PM
Thanks for joining in on the conversation...glad I could find someone who loathes the guy but can see his passion for the game. :D

johngalt
04-18-2005, 01:00 PM
Your posts are never taken objectively if its about Bush. I dont even know why you bother...your game is so transparent that even something as simple as Bush going into roller derby you would accuse him of alterior motives... geez.

Im a supporter of Bush but i dont have a blind following of him either (illegal aliens being a major sticking point). I think I can view this story (even if untrue) with a slight bit of objectivity.

I can't control how people perceive what I post. And frankly, I don't care. I'm putting in my two cents on a conversation which I have an opinion about.

I've made my case with reasons and comparisons. You've made your case with "he loves the game" and "he has a passion for baseball." I don't see those as the primary characteristics that make a good commissioner.

I think leadership skills and marketing/economic skill play a huge role. I don't see those in Bush. It's not about ulterior motives.

paintmered
04-18-2005, 01:01 PM
There are many people that would disagree, but you can't dispute the fact that the economy has gone downhill, interest rates have gone up, unemployment has gone up, oil prices have gone up (even before 9/11) and Bush has done a horrible job communicating with other nations/countries.


Save it for the non-bb side. I already warned everyone in here once.




Your posts are never taken objectively if its about Bush. I dont even know why you bother...your game is so transparent that even something as simple as Bush going into roller derby you would accuse him of alterior motives... geez.


This is also unacceptable.

johngalt
04-18-2005, 01:03 PM
Save it for the non-bb side. I already warned everyone in here once.

I'm debating his merits as a baseball commissioner, not his merits as a President. His previous experience in a management/leadership capacity are relevant.

M2
04-18-2005, 01:13 PM
Thanks for joining in on the conversation...glad I could find someone who loathes the guy but can see his passion for the game. :D

He really impressed me at the Salt Lake City Olympics. He got tossed a question about his favorite Olympian, thought about it for a second and then tossed out Bobby Morrow (a west Texan who won the 100 Meters in 1956). Normally the guy's reciting canned lines when he's in front of a camera. You could tell this was genuine.

I also liked it when he sat with the athletes and wiffle ball on the White House lawn is a fantastic idea. On top of that he may be the best first pitch tosser ever.

Bush loves sport, there's no doubting that.

smith288
04-18-2005, 01:22 PM
I'm debating his merits as a baseball commissioner, not his merits as a President. His previous experience in a management/leadership capacity are relevant.
Bush has made a career out of being underestimated...you'd think his opponents would learn.

Its ok...you dont have a vote in this one. lol

registerthis
04-18-2005, 01:24 PM
I'm debating his merits as a baseball commissioner, not his merits as a President. His previous experience in a management/leadership capacity are relevant.
Exactly.

How can this be discussed without bringing up such things?

perhaps this entire thread should be moved to the other board...

princeton
04-18-2005, 01:28 PM
I can't see him building a consensus between two disparate sides. You know, without having a large military behind it

(now there's an idea).


of course, I can't really see anyone doing it. The ideal candidate seemed to be Peter U., and that went absolutely nowhere.

paintmered
04-18-2005, 01:28 PM
Exactly.

How can this be discussed without bringing up such things?

perhaps this entire thread should be moved to the other board...


It is.

smith288
04-18-2005, 01:28 PM
He really impressed me at the Salt Lake City Olympics. He got tossed a question about his favorite Olympian, thought about it for a second and then tossed out Bobby Morrow (a west Texan who won the 100 Meters in 1956). Normally the guy's reciting canned lines when he's in front of a camera. You could tell this was genuine.

I also liked it when he sat with the athletes and wiffle ball on the White House lawn is a fantastic idea. On top of that he may be the best first pitch tosser ever.

Bush loves sport, there's no doubting that.
I have heard lots of people, both opponents and supporters alike say that the guy is really genuine. Its hard for someone to disagree with a man so strongly as johngalt does but to still leave open the fact that the guy he despises so much can still be a nice gentleman.

I have heard the same type of stuff of Bill Clinton and at one point, Jimmy Carter (before he lost his mind a few years ago...i think building houses was his forte).

I think I could sit in a room with Clinton and pick his political mind without makig it an ideological conversation, if that makes any sense.

smith288
04-18-2005, 01:32 PM
No offense, but this was baseball related and rather light hearted until a certain poster decided to bring his faxed in talking points into the conversation... rediculous.

paintmered
04-18-2005, 01:34 PM
No offense, but this was baseball related and rather light hearted until a certain poster decided to bring his faxed in talking points into the conversation... rediculous.


I agree, but now that politics has been introduced into this, discuss away.

Just remember you are in the non-baseball forum jurisdiction now. The rules are a little tighter over here.

Reds4Life
04-18-2005, 01:34 PM
This is the new Redszone, strict rule enforcement. This is the only option we've got left to clean up the forums.

johngalt
04-18-2005, 01:37 PM
No offense, but this was baseball related and rather light hearted until a certain poster decided to bring his faxed in talking points into the conversation... rediculous.

I brought in Bush's history in a management capacity. How can you say whether he would be fit for another similar job without examining that history?

And both sides have faxed in talking points, bub.

Reds4Life
04-18-2005, 01:38 PM
And both sides have faxed in talking points, bub.

Snide jabbing between members isn't going to be tollerated either.

johngalt
04-18-2005, 01:39 PM
Bush has made a career out of being underestimated...you'd think his opponents would learn.

Its ok...you dont have a vote in this one. lol

He's made a career out of getting people to help him overcome his limitations.

johngalt
04-18-2005, 01:39 PM
Snide jabbing between members isn't going to be tollerated either.

Then enforce away....on both sides.

paintmered
04-18-2005, 01:39 PM
I brought in Bush's history in a management capacity. How can you say whether he would be fit for another similar job without examining that history?

And both sides have faxed in talking points, bub.


He's already been called out because of it. There's no need for you to go back and bring it back up.

RBA
04-18-2005, 01:40 PM
Lets stay on topic and not make this into a political thread.

I think his qualifications and work expereince is very relevant in how he would do the job. Isn't it? Politics is his experience, so how can this not be a political thread?

johngalt
04-18-2005, 01:41 PM
He's already been called out because of it. There's no need for you to go back and bring it back up.

Because he's obviously not getting the point.

smith288
04-18-2005, 01:41 PM
I brought in Bush's history in a management capacity. How can you say whether he would be fit for another similar job without examining that history?

And both sides have faxed in talking points, bub.
Point mine out "bub" and ill give you a cookie.

paintmered
04-18-2005, 01:46 PM
Smith, check your PMs.

johngalt, either bring your comments back on topic, or you are gone for a day.

No more bickering out of either of you.

johngalt
04-18-2005, 01:47 PM
Point mine out "bub" and ill give you a cookie.

Saying what a great leader he's been for this country and how he stands for the "right morals" and the good of the United States.

smith288
04-18-2005, 01:51 PM
Saying what a great leader he's been for this country and how he stands for the "right morals" and the good of the United States.
Never mentioned that in this thread... in any event, in the spirit of positive influence that a member such as myself should always display, I will refrain from further interacting on this, once-interesting topic.

WVRed
04-18-2005, 02:44 PM
Second. Worst. Thread. Ever.

Can we please lock this? :KoolAid:

StillFunkyB
04-18-2005, 03:14 PM
Good luck, Fay was ousted for exactly that reason, the rules were then changed shifting the power back to the owners.

Yep, I just wish that wasn't the way things were.

Sabo Fan
04-18-2005, 03:35 PM
Don't know if anyone remembers, but way back before the 2000 election ESPN.com did a story that talked about both W's and Gore's involvement in sports. It focused on Bush more because of his involvement with the Rangers, and mentioned that at one point he was approached by a small group of owners (think that's right, but not 100%) about possibly becoming a candidate for the commissioners job. In the end he told them no, though I can't remember if it was because he wanted to go into politics or if he just didn't want the job. I think I saved the article somewhere so I'll see if I can dig it up.

registerthis
04-18-2005, 03:45 PM
Bob Costas should be the next baseball commissioner.

Falls City Beer
04-18-2005, 04:45 PM
Bush loves sport, there's no doubting that.


So do I.

RBA
04-18-2005, 07:24 PM
So do I.

Okay, it looks like you destroyed that argument. :)

cincinnati chili
04-18-2005, 08:49 PM
I predict that the legal landscape of baseball is going to become a lot more complex. The antitrust exemption will probably get another challenge in my lifetime. That will lead to a doubling, tripling or more of minor league salaries, and countless other unintended consequences.

Let's assume for a second that George Bush had some good business acumen, since I know it's a debated point. He's not an attorney. Even Bowie Kuhn, who was an attorney, wasn't sharp enough to understand what was going on around him.

Sandy Alderson is my pick.

RBA
04-18-2005, 10:11 PM
I'll take Bill Murray or Tom Hanks.

RedsBaron
04-19-2005, 04:34 PM
I very much doubt the owners will ever select a former President, Democrat or Republican, as Commissioner. The last thing I suspect owners want is a Commissioner with an independent power base.
The owners already are assured that Bud Selig will support their agenda, but if he doesn't, Bud has no power base apart from ownership. If the owners decide that they want to imitate the labor negotiations of the NHL, it is unlikely Bud would stand in their way, nor would there be that much of a public outcry if Selig was removed.
However, if a Commssioner George W. Bush, or a Commissioner Bill Clinton or Commissioner Jimmy Carter for that matter, decided not to follow the owners' party line, he would have enormous public relations power to force his terms upon ownership, and firing a former President as Commissioner would be a PR nightmare for the owners. Appoint a former President as Commissioner and owners could find themselves with the second coming of Kennesaw Mountain Landis if the President then chose to follow his own course. I just can't see the owners taking that chance.

gm
04-19-2005, 04:41 PM
George could search for WMDs in ballparks all across the country.

Starting with the "other" George's backyard?

Rojo
04-19-2005, 07:09 PM
Sandy Alderson is my pick.

Ding! ding! ding!

I wouldn't let Bush near baseball. He's got the Midas touch, in reverse.