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KronoRed
04-19-2005, 08:15 PM
I'm here.
Hey LF :)

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:15 PM
Dunn up:

Pitch 1: Strike looking
Pitch 2: Ball
Pitch 3: Strike looking
Pitch 4: Strikeout looking. 2 outs.

flyer85
04-19-2005, 08:16 PM
that pitch was about 6 inches low

d2pmr11
04-19-2005, 08:16 PM
GameCenter said Dunn struck out looking and the ball was in the dirt.

RFS62
04-19-2005, 08:16 PM
hey lf

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2005, 08:17 PM
Seems like the umps call anything within 6-8 inches off the plate a strike on Dunn.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:17 PM
Pena up:

Pitch 1: Strike looking
Pitch 2: Ball
Pitch 3: Ball
Pitch 4: Strike looking
Pitch 5: Ball
Pitch 6: Pena doubles.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 08:18 PM
Another bullet by WMP

wheels
04-19-2005, 08:18 PM
Look the Cubs may have 4 runs, but they haven't hit the ball half as hard as the Reds. A few plays pulled out of their rear ends like the Cubs have had, and if the ump makes the correct call the Reds are down 3 - 0. I am actually not disappointed in Claussen tonight. His velocity isn't great, but he is fooling hitters. I think some Reds fans would criticize Brandon regardless of what he's doing out there, just so they can hear themeselves talk.

And for a few of them it's because they traded Boone to get him.

He'd have to be Sandy Koufax to get kudos.

Walkerforpres
04-19-2005, 08:18 PM
hee. Pena looks at 1 pitch the 1st AB, then goes to a full count and then doubles this time. Love it.

d2pmr11
04-19-2005, 08:18 PM
Clutch Aurilia up with 2 out.

The Baumer
04-19-2005, 08:18 PM
GREAT AT BAT BY PENA. Good discipline.

KronoRed
04-19-2005, 08:18 PM
Thanks Nomar :D

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:18 PM
Thanks Nomah...he is so overrated

flynn78
04-19-2005, 08:19 PM
OSU, I get what you are saying. I just thought that Claussen was a world beater when we got him and now I don't know if he'll stick with the club. Just frustration rearing its ugly head.

The Baumer
04-19-2005, 08:19 PM
Aurillia comes through again! :bowrofl:

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:19 PM
Aurilia up:

Pitch 1: Groundball... thrown away at 1B... Pena scores... Aurilia goes to 2B as the ball went into the Reds' dugout.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 08:19 PM
And for a few of them it's because they traded Boone to get him.

He'd have to be Sandy Koufax to get kudos.


Not really. But he's shown me virtually nothing since we've gotten him

Walkerforpres
04-19-2005, 08:20 PM
The .400-batting Valentin is up. :)
There's something you won't hear every day. Or ever again.

Puffy
04-19-2005, 08:20 PM
Aurillia comes through again! :bowrofl:

Ummmmm, reaching on an E counts as coming through?

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:20 PM
That was a weak effort by Valentin but at least we're on the board.

flynn78
04-19-2005, 08:21 PM
Thanks Nomah...he is so overrated
No you are. Zasu
SNL skit

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:21 PM
Valentin up:

Pitch 1: Foul
Pitch 2: Strike swinging
Pitch 3: Foul
Pitch 4: Strikeout swinging. 4-1 Cubs after 4.

The Baumer
04-19-2005, 08:23 PM
Ummmmm, reaching on an E counts as coming through?

Aurillia's contributions are limited to shattered bat singles and defensive errors.

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2005, 08:23 PM
When Casey struggles he pulls everything........he knows this yet does not adjust and go the other way ..which is his best way to hit.

Does he not realize he is doing this or something? It seems liek it would
be pretty easy to realize he is doing that.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:24 PM
Aurillia's contributions are limited to shattered bat singles and defensive errors.

Which puts his production ahead of some others on this team

SteelSD
04-19-2005, 08:24 PM
I'm not concerned at all. We could be paying Aaron Boone $8 million per year to swing for the moon and boot ground balls.

A MLB team cannot survive trading commodities like Aaron Boone (whose market vale was VERY high at the time) for softer tossing versions of Ron Villone.

I've long been a Claussen supporter, contingent on his velocity returning. It hasn't. And there's a reason to be worried about that because Claussen's BB rate has taken a hit post-surgery. You can survive with a projectible 4.00/9 IP BB rate, but not if you're as hittable as Claussen is without his fastball.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:25 PM
Top of the 5th...

Patterson up:

Pitch 1: Ball
Pitch 2: Ball
Pitch 3: Ball
Pitch 4: Strike looking
Pitch 5: Groundout to 1B. 1 out.

Puffy
04-19-2005, 08:25 PM
Aurillia's contributions are limited to shattered bat singles and defensive errors.

Oh, Ok! I was thrown off by the bowing guy and thought you were serious. My bad!

:thumbup:

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:26 PM
Nomar up:

Pitch 1: Strike swinging
Pitch 2: Ball
Pitch 3: Foul
Pitch 4: Ball
Pitch 5: Nomar K's swinging. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 08:28 PM
That was a nice inning!

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:28 PM
Claussen seems to be settling. But this could have been a lot worse if Claussen would have eliminated the obvious mistakes...giving up a 2-strike hit to the pitcher, hitting a batter, failing to back up the throw to third. Even with his early pitching struggles this could easily have been a 2-1 game now.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:28 PM
Ramirez up:

Pitch 1: Strike swinging
Pitch 2: Foul
Pitch 3: Ramirez K's on a foul tip. Inning over. 4-1 Cubs, Mid. 5th.

Walkerforpres
04-19-2005, 08:28 PM
One more inning of this by Claussen (assuming they let him hit in this coming inning) and I'll venture to say that this was a successful outing, considering he hasn't pitched in 3 weeks. He's sure making a nice comeback here.

flyer85
04-19-2005, 08:29 PM
Claussen looked good after he started all of his pitches

PuffyPig
04-19-2005, 08:29 PM
Claussen is one broken bat single (on a good pitch) from being in a 1-1 game right now.

wheels
04-19-2005, 08:30 PM
I'd much rather take my chances with Claussen than Josh Hancock.

Sorry.

flyer85
04-19-2005, 08:30 PM
might we see Coffey

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 08:30 PM
Claussen's night is over.....Weathers was warming up

Walkerforpres
04-19-2005, 08:30 PM
Crud. Why is Miley PH'ing? Boo.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:30 PM
Claussen out of the game... Cruz PH.

Pitch 1: Strike looking
Pitch 2: Strike swinging
Pitch 3: Ball
Pitch 4: Flyout to CF. 1 out.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:30 PM
Does Jacob Cruz ever get a hit?

OSURedLeg
04-19-2005, 08:31 PM
Yeah the only real problem I had with Claussen tonight was not backing up during that broken bat single. However, mental mistakes will happen when you've been sitting the bench for three weeks. I'm pretty happy about his performance, and I think it's encouraging that he got stronger as he went.

wheels
04-19-2005, 08:31 PM
might we see Coffey

Our boys will either have to score some runs first, or fall hopelessly behind.

But...We shall see.

With Weathers coming in next, the latter is very possible.

Aronchis
04-19-2005, 08:31 PM
Just think if he had the 94mph fastball? Would coverup the "growth" process he is going through with developing his pitches. He has the stuff to be a good lefty.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:32 PM
Claussen and Belisle are laughing it up on the bench. Am I missing something?

flynn78
04-19-2005, 08:32 PM
I like Hancock and Hudson better than Claussen myself.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:32 PM
Freel up:

Pitch 1: Ball
Pitch 2: Ball
Pitch 3: Strike looking
Pitch 4: Ball
Pitch 5: Walk

KronoRed
04-19-2005, 08:32 PM
Claussen and Belisle are laughing it up on the bench. Am I missing something?
Good to be in the Majors

rdiersin
04-19-2005, 08:32 PM
I'd much rather take my chances with Claussen than Josh Hancock.

Sorry.


I agree. Lefty's with high 80 velocity are much better than righties with high 80's velocity.

d2pmr11
04-19-2005, 08:33 PM
A MLB team cannot survive trading commodities like Aaron Boone (whose market vale was VERY high at the time) for softer tossing versions of Ron Villone.

I've long been a Claussen supporter, contingent on his velocity returning. It hasn't. And there's a reason to be worried about that because Claussen's BB rate has taken a hit post-surgery. You can survive with a projectible 4.00/9 IP BB rate, but not if you're as hittable as Claussen is without his fastball.

At least there's the chance that Claussen can be a serviceable major league pitcher. Aaron Boone was the most overrated player in baseball when the Reds traded him. Bowden signed him to a lot of money, and Aaron got good press because he's a nice guy to the reporters and teammates (which not coincidentally is how Bob Boone finagled his way into the dugout). Take another look at those "Team MVP" numbers he put up in 2002. Hal McCoy claimed he was a future gold-glove winner . . and he had a .954 fielding percentage at 3rd base!

Sorry. I don't mean to take this out on you because you don't even seem to be taking the other side. But I really think Claussen has some unreasonable expectations because people think he was the certerpiece of the Great Salary Dump. All in all, I think he's pulled it together nicely tonight after a rough start.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 08:33 PM
Claussen and Belisle are laughing it up on the bench. Am I missing something?


Probably, or you may be laughing with them

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:33 PM
I wonder if Jimenez is noticing how Freel actually gets on base one way or the other

Puffy
04-19-2005, 08:35 PM
Come on Junior - I played you in my fantasy league.....

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:35 PM
Griffey up:

Pitch 1: Foul
(Throw to 1B)
Pitch 2: Ball
Pitch 3: Foul
(Throw to 1B)
Pitch 4: Ball
Pitch 5: Foul
Pitch 6: Strikeout swinging. 2 outs.

flynn78
04-19-2005, 08:36 PM
I will not be stubborn and not admit Claussen had a pretty good comeback. He did. I just like Hudson and Hancock better when they are healthy.

Walkerforpres
04-19-2005, 08:37 PM
Any reason why Freel might not try to steal here? Or during Griffey's AB?

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:37 PM
Casey up:

Pitch 1: Strike looking
Pitch 2: Ball
Pitch 3: Foul
Pitch 4: Strikeout looking. 4-1 Cubs after 5.

wheels
04-19-2005, 08:37 PM
A MLB team cannot survive trading commodities like Aaron Boone (whose market vale was VERY high at the time) for softer tossing versions of Ron Villone.

I've long been a Claussen supporter, contingent on his velocity returning. It hasn't. And there's a reason to be worried about that because Claussen's BB rate has taken a hit post-surgery. You can survive with a projectible 4.00/9 IP BB rate, but not if you're as hittable as Claussen is without his fastball.

I think the Ron Villone comparison might be a tad bit unfair, but I agree with the premise that his drop in velocity could present problems in future outings.

With this particular outing, though, I was impressed with his breaking pitches, and the fact that despite being challenged velocity wise, he was still missing bats.

How is that possible?

Is it because Cub hitters tend to jump out of their shoes? Probably.

But is it also possible that this kid might have some nifty breaking stuff that he can use?

What do you think caused Brandon to lose his velocity? I'm not sure TJ is the whole answer because there are numerous stories of pitchers gaining some pop post surgery.

What's your take?

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 08:40 PM
Todd Coffey in!!!

GoReds
04-19-2005, 08:40 PM
Claussen was pretty pumped before this start - perhaps he's overthrowing his fastball?

PuffyPig
04-19-2005, 08:40 PM
Hal McCoy claimed he was a future gold-glove winner . . and he had a .954 fielding percentage at 3rd base!



Fielding percentage is usually an extremely poor barometer of fielding prowess.

Puffy
04-19-2005, 08:41 PM
Sean Casey is OPSing .563 right now.

Caveat Emperor
04-19-2005, 08:41 PM
I just wanna say, I'm pulling for Coffey here...I'd like to see him knock the door down and push one of the morons in the bullpen out of the way.

OldCat
04-19-2005, 08:41 PM
Fielding percentage is usually an extremely poor barometer of fielding prowess.

On the other hand, if its below .500, you officially aren't very good.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:41 PM
Coffey is in!... Top of the 6th...

Lee up:

Pitch 1: Foul
Pitch 2: Strike looking
Pitch 3: Ball
Pitch 4: Ball
Pitch 5: Ball
Pitch 6: Single

d2pmr11
04-19-2005, 08:42 PM
Fielding percentage is usually an extremely poor barometer of fielding prowess.

Okay, perhaps I should have said "my perception" says Aaron was a crappy fielder. Which he was. And the numbers back it up.

Caveat Emperor
04-19-2005, 08:42 PM
How is Coffey's velocity? I'm stuck on MLB Gamecast here in class, and don't have a radar gun to watch.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:44 PM
A run here would really hurt the cause.

d2pmr11
04-19-2005, 08:44 PM
How is Coffey's velocity? I'm stuck on MLB Gamecast here in class, and don't have a radar gun to watch.

GameCenter is saying 92.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:45 PM
Dubois up:

Pitch 1: Foul
Pitch 2: Ball
(Throw to 1B)
Pitch 3: Ball... runner steals 2B...
Pitch 4: Ball
Pitch 5: groundball... runner at 3B with 1 out.

SteelSD
04-19-2005, 08:45 PM
I think the Ron Villone comparison might be a tad bit unfair, but I agree with the premise that his drop in velocity could present problems in future outings.

With this particular outing, though, I was impressed with his breaking pitches, and the fact that despite being challenged velocity wise, he was still missing bats.

How is that possible?

Is it because Cub hitters tend to jump out of their shoes? Probably.

But is it also possible that this kid might have some nifty breaking stuff that he can use?

What do you think caused Brandon to lose his velocity? I'm not sure TJ is the whole answer because there are numerous stories of pitchers gaining some pop post surgery.

What's your take?


Wish I could tell you the cause, Wheels.

And yes, the Cubs hyperactive nature makes them a questionable litmus test.

My primary point is that the Reds need to start actually winning some deals and bringing power arms into the organization when they do it. Claussen was pimped as being that type of pitcher when he was acquired, but he's not right now.

I'm not ready to dump the guy, but I'm a lot more concerned right now than I hoped I'd be.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:46 PM
Perez up:

Pitch 1: Ball
Pitch 2: Ground ball... nice play by Casey... runner scores though... 5-1 Cubs...2 outs.

That hurt a lot.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:46 PM
Imagine that...a manufactured run. Leadoff hit, steal second, sacrificed to third, sacrificed home.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 08:47 PM
4 run game again......check that....5 run game


Welcome to the big leagues, kid

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:47 PM
6-1 on a LONG HR

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:47 PM
Barrett:

Pitch 1: HR...6-1 Cubs.

Cofffey looks awful in his debut here.

d2pmr11
04-19-2005, 08:47 PM
Were the Reds' infielders playing in at least on that play?

d2pmr11
04-19-2005, 08:47 PM
Oh jeez. Welcome to the big leagues Mr. Coffey.

sjm
04-19-2005, 08:47 PM
Someone must want to go right back to the Minors.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:47 PM
Coffee is going to school here. This game is likely finished.

flynn78
04-19-2005, 08:48 PM
Insert bad Coffey joke here. Any will do.

CrackerJack
04-19-2005, 08:49 PM
Coffey got creamed

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:49 PM
Prior:

Pitch 1: Ball
Pitch 2:Strike swinging
Pitch 3: Ball
Pitch 4: Flyout. 6-1 Cubs, Mid. 6th.

Cards are mutilating the Pirates, BTW. I hope we do as well against the Buccos as they have done.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2005, 08:49 PM
Adios, Todd. Fernandez?

KronoRed
04-19-2005, 08:50 PM
One game is a little early to say he's toast

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:50 PM
Insert bad Coffey joke here. Any will do.

1. Cubs enjoy weak Coffee

2. Cubs grind Coffee

3. Coffee creamed

Code Red
04-19-2005, 08:50 PM
Although this game is not over, I still would gladly take 2/3 versus Wood, Prior and Perez if the Reds can win tomorrow.

Redmachine2003
04-19-2005, 08:50 PM
Well Todd you got your cup of Coffey and now that the Butterflies are gone we expect better things out of you from here on out. :D

flynn78
04-19-2005, 08:50 PM
Thanks Everyone. You know you were dying to do it.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 08:51 PM
That must have been decaf....

PuffyPig
04-19-2005, 08:51 PM
Well, when Coffey came into the game, he had us all hot and steaming, but in the end (like all Red pitchers), he left us all cold and bitter.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:51 PM
Haha...someone in the stands has a sign that says "Put in Benedict XVI"

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 08:52 PM
Although this game is not over, I still would gladly take 2/3 versus Wood, Prior and Perez if the Reds can win tomorrow.

I'd have no complaints...we're getting some stellar pitching foes at this point in the season

d2pmr11
04-19-2005, 08:52 PM
Reds need to work Prior hard this and next inning and get to the bullpen where anything is possible.

Caseyfan21
04-19-2005, 08:53 PM
Well, you always hope a rookie will be able to come up and fit in right away. Todd definately has fit in with the rest of the bullpenners.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:53 PM
I'd have no complaints...we're getting some stellar pitching foes at this point in the season

And the Reds face Dontrelle Willis on Saturday and Carlos Zambrano next week in Chicago

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:53 PM
Randa:

Flyout. 1 out.

Prior continues to just roll along through the lineup.

wheels
04-19-2005, 08:53 PM
Wish I could tell you the cause, Wheels.

And yes, the Cubs hyperactive nature makes them a questionable litmus test.

My primary point is that the Reds need to start actually winning some deals and bringing power arms into the organization when they do it. Claussen was pimped as being that type of pitcher when he was acquired, but he's not right now.

I'm not ready to dump the guy, but I'm a lot more concerned right now than I hoped I'd be.

Fair asessment.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:54 PM
Dunn doubles.

OSURedLeg
04-19-2005, 08:54 PM
Nice double the opposite way by Dunn

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 08:54 PM
And the Reds face Dontrelle Willis on Saturday and Carlos Zambrano next week in Chicago


The road does not get any easier....

wheels
04-19-2005, 08:55 PM
Well, you always hope a rookie will be able to come up and fit in right away. Todd definately has fit in with the rest of the bullpenners.

Hilarious.

redsrule2500
04-19-2005, 08:55 PM
Let's go Pena!!

Aronchis
04-19-2005, 08:55 PM
dull Coffey eh? Hopefully we will get sharper Coffey on the next round up.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:55 PM
Pena pops out. 2 outs.

flynn78
04-19-2005, 08:55 PM
The thing is that you never hear other teams say (insert Reds starter here) we were just happy to be invited to the batter's box to face them. I get too much of this from our local press. We can use it as an excuse but when will other teams get to use it for us?

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 08:56 PM
Aurilia grounds out. Inning over... 6-1 Cubs after 6.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 08:57 PM
Cubs are just lucky tonight. Ramirez makes a great diving stop then uncorks a bad throw to first that Lee is able to scoop up. Combine that with the first inning garbage and its not the Reds night.

OldCat
04-19-2005, 08:57 PM
The thing is that you never hear other teams say (insert Reds starter here) we were just happy to be invited to the batter's box to face them. I get too much of this from our local press. We can use it as an excuse but when will other teams get to use it for us?

If I were a negative poster, I would say that many ML players are happy to be invited to face our pitching staff. But I won't.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2005, 08:58 PM
Nice of Rich to work the count.

Good to see Dunn continue to hit well.

flynn78
04-19-2005, 08:59 PM
You got me Old Cat.

oneupper
04-19-2005, 08:59 PM
:thumbdown Win Expectancy at this point (starting the 7th) = 2.9%

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 08:59 PM
Man, that Coffey will just hit you! Wow, it's got a bite!

TC81190
04-19-2005, 08:59 PM
Coffey HBP.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 09:00 PM
Hairston HBP.

Aronchis
04-19-2005, 09:00 PM
The thing is that you never hear other teams say (insert Reds starter here) we were just happy to be invited to the batter's box to face them. I get too much of this from our local press. We can use it as an excuse but when will other teams get to use it for us?

and it will be sometime before you do. At this point, looking at the young talent the Reds have at SP AA upward, I think they are good prospects, in term of talents, but no Perez,Prior,Woods,Willis. That is DanO's challenge. Though, having a "good" staff isn't a bad thing either(compared to what the Reds have had).

REDREAD
04-19-2005, 09:01 PM
O'Brien should be ashamed of his roster management. If the Reds didn't need a 5th starter until today, there's zero reason to have kept as many pitchers on the roster as he has.

Keeping a guy from pitching in a game situation for 19 days is crazy.

I agree that it is dumb to have Claussen be inactive so long.

I'm not sure if they were forced to keep Valentine on the roster or not (is he out of options?) But I'm glad Belise made the team, he deserved it. Unfortunately, Claussen is out of options.

My guess is they also wanted to carry 12 pitchers to sort them out and find the keepers before Hudson/Hancock are forced to be added to the roster or passed through waivers.

But yeah, I would prefer that they cut bait with the tweeners instead of extending the tryouts through the tweeners. To DanO's credit though, he did cut bait with Acevado.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2005, 09:02 PM
Doesn't sound too awful from Claussen 6 Ks, 0 BBs. Defense let him down, as well.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 09:03 PM
Patterson grounds out... runner to 2B with 1 out.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 09:03 PM
Doesn't sound too awful from Claussen 6 Ks, 0 BBs. Defense let him down, as well.


He wasn't awful...but he wasn't anything special -- he was ok

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 09:04 PM
Steve just mentioned Coffey's Bro on the air. ;)

Nomar lines out to Casey. 2 outs.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 09:06 PM
Ramirez grounds out. 6-1 Cubs, Mid. 7th.

flynn78
04-19-2005, 09:06 PM
Coffey's brother is who?

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2005, 09:07 PM
Good inning from Todd. You know he was nervous that first inning.

flynn78
04-19-2005, 09:07 PM
Not Wes Coffey formerly of UD?

SteelSD
04-19-2005, 09:08 PM
Coffey's brother is who?

A male sibling to another male child borne of the same mother or father (or both).

Was I right? What do I win????

;)

Falls City Beer
04-19-2005, 09:08 PM
I can't stand that the pop-gun triplets hit 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in this lineup. Against Prior, that is just anathema.

KronoRed
04-19-2005, 09:09 PM
A male sibling to another male child borne of the same mother or father (or both).

Was I right? What do I win????

;)
Koolaid

:KoolAid:

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 09:09 PM
Valentin grounds out. 1 out.

flynn78
04-19-2005, 09:09 PM
Thanks Steel

SteelSD
04-19-2005, 09:11 PM
Thanks Steel

Hey, I'm hear to help!

His username is Coffeybro. :)

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 09:12 PM
I wonder if they'll let Prior complete this one?

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2005, 09:14 PM
We need someone to come in and pitch mopup duty. You think you can pull out the 'ol knuckleball, Steel? ;)

flynn78
04-19-2005, 09:15 PM
Regroup for tomorrow. Hopefully Perez continues his slide.

CincyRedsFan30
04-19-2005, 09:15 PM
Valentine is now in for the 8th.

Lee hits a HR...7-1 Cubs.

Gainesville Red
04-19-2005, 09:16 PM
Last night I was thinking, "never say die," tonight I wish it would hurry up and get over. What a difference a day makes.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2005, 09:17 PM
Bring back the soft tossers!

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 09:17 PM
I think the Cubs are bringing in their pen next inning...There is still hope!! : :dancingco

SteelSD
04-19-2005, 09:17 PM
We need someone to come in and pitch mopup duty. You think you can pull out the 'ol knuckleball, Steel? ;)

For what these guys are making per game?

Surely. :D

OldCat
04-19-2005, 09:18 PM
Last night I was thinking, "never say die," tonight I wish it would hurry up and get over. What a difference a day makes.

I still won't say the 'D' word.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2005, 09:19 PM
For what these guys are making per game?

Surely. :D


You couldn't do any worse. Hell, I bet you could outpitch Weathers.

REDREAD
04-19-2005, 09:19 PM
I'm not sure Valentine is going to make it through the year. He has occasional flashes of brillance, just enough to tease you, but more often than not, he seems to revert to the HR/BB machine that his career indicates..

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 09:20 PM
I'm not sure Valentine is going to make it through the year. He has occasional flashes of brillance, just enough to tease you, but more often than not, he seems to revert to the HR/BB machine that his career indicates..


Another crappy pitcher obtained in the firesale of 2003...Harang really seems to be the only one panning out (so far)

REDREAD
04-19-2005, 09:21 PM
But I'm still excited about seeing Coffey.. I have high hopes for him. Glad he got his debut out of the way in a game that was already over..

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 09:22 PM
But I'm still excited about seeing Coffey.. I have high hopes for him. Glad he got his debut out of the way in a game that was already over..


It was? It was a 3 run game before he entered -- but with Prior still pitching, it probably still wouldn't have mattered

Kc61
04-19-2005, 09:23 PM
Another crappy pitcher obtained in the firesale of 2003...Harang really seems to be the only one panning out (so far)

Yeah, sure was a good idea to get rid of Acevedo for being overweight. We're so deep in middle relievers, just didn't need him. Doesn't matter that he looked like a good middle reliever last year. All these other young guys are obviously better.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 09:25 PM
Yeah, sure was a good idea to get rid of Acevedo for being overweight. We're so deep in middle relievers, just didn't need him. Doesn't matter that he looked like a good middle reliever last year. All these other young guys are obviously better.


I had no problem getting rid of Acevedo....his attitude was enough for me, plus his work ethic sucked

Aronchis
04-19-2005, 09:26 PM
Yeah, sure was a good idea to get rid of Acevedo for being overweight. We're so deep in middle relievers, just didn't need him. Doesn't matter that he looked like a good middle reliever last year. All these other young guys are obviously better.

It just isn't for this year, but developing arms that can throw heat. Not all will pan out, but if one does, along with one starting pitcher(outside of Harang) then the benefit of getting experience will be nice. Your making Acevedo sound like a sure bet. Wrong,wrong and more wrong.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2005, 09:27 PM
Cliff Bartosh in for Prior.

Griffey walks.

sjm
04-19-2005, 09:27 PM
Man, Casey is playing terrible this year.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 09:28 PM
Casey hits into ANOTHER double play....that's been is M.O. lately

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2005, 09:28 PM
Casey double play.

flyer85
04-19-2005, 09:28 PM
good thing Sean didn't strikeout

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 09:29 PM
When Casey is struggling, which he is obviosly doing now, all he does is beat the ball into the ground to second base. It is a lethal rally-killer and 10X worse than a strike-out.

sjm
04-19-2005, 09:29 PM
They better sit Casey tomorrow and put Dunn at first. Esp. going against Perez.

sjm
04-19-2005, 09:30 PM
That was a ball!!!!!!!

Falls City Beer
04-19-2005, 09:30 PM
Man, Casey is playing terrible this year.


Folks, that may be the kindest thing one could say about Casey's play this season. I'm so glad this team is on the hook with him for 16 million dollars.

sjm
04-19-2005, 09:31 PM
Randa should have been on first.

oneupper
04-19-2005, 09:31 PM
They better sit Casey tomorrow and put Dunn at first. Esp. going against Perez.


I hope not. Casey is hitting like .500 against Perez.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-19-2005, 09:31 PM
They better sit Casey tomorrow and put Dunn at first. Esp. going against Perez.

Won't happen. He's the only one on this team to consistently get a free pass. No matter how bad he is.

Kc61
04-19-2005, 09:33 PM
I had no problem getting rid of Acevedo....his attitude was enough for me

Maybe, but the Reds are in love with a lot of guys who don't have great track records so far.

Belisle had a 5.2 at AAA last year with 192 hits allowed in 162 innings.

Coffey maybe ready someday, but his success was at AA last year, he struggled at AAA.

Claussen had a 4.6 at AAA last year, and only after a strong second half. He did not do well in the majors.

Valentine has great stuff and I think may make it, but doesn't have enough command yet.

The young guys who seemed most ready, Hudson and Hancock, unfortunately are hurt.

Acevedo is yesterday's news, but I just think he was more ready to help than many of these guys. Hopefully, I'll be proven wrong.

sjm
04-19-2005, 09:33 PM
I hope the team trades Griffey and Casey for some pitching and SS. A 2nd baseman wouldn't be bad either.

Make Dunn, Kearns, Pena, and Encarnacion the core of the lineup. Get someone speedy and gets on base at SS and 2nd.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 09:34 PM
Maybe, but the Reds are in love with a lot of guys who don't have great track records so far.

Belisle had a 5.2 at AAA last year with 192 hits allowed in 162 innings.

Coffey maybe ready someday, but his success was at AA last year, he struggled at AAA.

Claussen had a 4.6 at AAA last year, and only after a strong second half. He did not do well in the majors.

Valentine has great stuff and I think may make it, but doesn't have enough command yet.

The young guys who seemed most ready, Hudson and Hancock, unfortunately are hurt.

Acevedo is yesterday's news, but I just think he was more ready to help than many of these guys. Hopefully, I'll be proven wrong.


Could have been a winless situation, but it was time to move on from Acevedo...he was becoming a hassle

oneupper
04-19-2005, 09:36 PM
Casey is actually hitting .500 lifetime vs. Perez (11 for 22).

The Baumer
04-19-2005, 09:37 PM
It's pretty obvious Aurillia can't carry this team on his back by himself. If we want to win we are going to need some other guys to sack up and induce some errors up there.

Redmachine2003
04-19-2005, 09:37 PM
Bergolla isn't a bad prospect for 2nd.

oneupper
04-19-2005, 09:38 PM
It's pretty obvious Aurillia can't carry this team on his back by himself. If we want to win we are going to need some other guys to sack up and induce some errors up there.


There's a nickname for Rich: "The INDUCER" ;)

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 09:41 PM
Cubs about ready to win the World Series.......oh wait, their fans will just act like they just won the World Series...

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 09:43 PM
...regroup, get the Buccos tomorrow

oneupper
04-19-2005, 09:45 PM
It's losses like these that mess up our Pythag!

Gainesville Red
04-19-2005, 09:46 PM
It's pretty obvious Aurillia can't carry this team on his back by himself. If we want to win we are going to need some other guys to sack up and induce some errors up there.

:lol:

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 09:51 PM
The Reds were Prioritized :D

traderumor
04-19-2005, 09:52 PM
Folks, that may be the kindest thing one could say about Casey's play this season. I'm so glad this team is on the hook with him for 16 million dollars.

Yea, Sean's never been in a 13 game slump before. Put a stop payment on his checks.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2005, 09:54 PM
Yea, Sean's never been in a 13 game slump before. Put a stop payment on his checks.


See, Sean being familiar with 13 game slumps is a big part of the problem.

The Baumer
04-19-2005, 09:57 PM
Well tomorrow the Reds finally get a face a team that isn't first/second place caliber. Hopefully they pound on 'em.

oneupper
04-19-2005, 09:58 PM
Maybe we should be heartened by the fact that a good part of the team has not played particularly well, and we are still a game over .500.

Aside from Randa and WMP, our hitters haven't been up to expectations (Griffey, Casey, Dunn, D'Lo, Kearns should ALL do better). Our pitching has been pretty much what we expected.

When a few more of our guns start firing...who knows?

OldCat
04-19-2005, 10:01 PM
See, Sean being familiar with 13 game slumps is a big part of the problem.

When we get done trading Sean and everyone worse than him on the team for pitching we'll have about 2-3 postion players and 30 pitchers.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 10:02 PM
Everybody needs to calm down...this team is 1 game over .500, 1.5 games out of first (Cardinals) facing brutal pitching early, with most of the big bats finding themselves in an early season funk

...they'll come around, the career numbers show that they should

Falls City Beer
04-19-2005, 10:02 PM
When we get done trading Sean and everyone worse than him on the team for pitching we'll have about 2-3 postion players and 30 pitchers.

Trading him's impossible; but would it kill Miley to give him a day (or nine) off? Or, at bare minimum, dropping him to 6th or 7th in the lineup?

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 10:07 PM
Trading him's impossible; but would it kill Miley to give him a day (or nine) off? Or, at bare minimum, dropping him to 6th or 7th in the lineup?

I'll agree...a day off for Casey may not be a bad idea

oneupper
04-19-2005, 10:08 PM
I'll agree...a day off for Casey may not be a bad idea


Just not tomorrow. He's the only RED who has really hit Perez well.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 10:09 PM
Just not tomorrow. He's the only RED who has really hit Perez well.

That's true..forgot about that.....Thursday (day game) would be good for him and Griff to take a break...Dunn can play 1st, WMP can play center, Kearns can play right and get some at bats

Pena needs to play tomorrow...he's good against lefties

traderumor
04-19-2005, 10:19 PM
See, Sean being familiar with 13 game slumps is a big part of the problem.Part of the game for even the best hitters. Too much is made of numbers out of the gate, which I am surprised you are falling for. A guy hits a skid in the middle of the season, it isn't quite as noticeable.

traderumor
04-19-2005, 10:20 PM
When we get done trading Sean and everyone worse than him on the team for pitching we'll have about 2-3 postion players and 30 pitchers.Are the pitchers any good?

REDREAD
04-19-2005, 10:30 PM
It was? It was a 3 run game before he entered -- but with Prior still pitching, it probably still wouldn't have mattered


Well, for me, emotionally it just felt over.. i wasn't trying to slam the team.. My thought was "THis is a good spot for him to debut"..

You're right, logically it was still reasonable to hope for a comeback.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2005, 10:56 PM
Well, for me, emotionally it just felt over.. i wasn't trying to slam the team.. My thought was "THis is a good spot for him to debut"..

You're right, logically it was still reasonable to hope for a comeback.

It probably was...Prior was cruising....had the bullpen been coming in for the Cubs, it probably would have been worse timing because the Cubs bullpen isn't the best

SirFelixCat
04-19-2005, 11:16 PM
FWIW, I think Coffey might have been a tad nervous. He settled down after his first inning. Here's to his and the Reds success in the future!:D

LvJ
04-19-2005, 11:17 PM
How was Claussen tonight? 6 Ks and 0 BBs in the boxscore look good. But how did he actually pitch? Fill me in.

CincyReds2003
04-19-2005, 11:29 PM
When we get done trading Sean and everyone worse than him on the team for pitching we'll have about 2-3 postion players and 30 pitchers.


I don't understand why people are so content on trading this guy. We have sluggers with 40 HR potential, and we don't need another one, and we're not going to get a number one ace if he is traded. The guy has a .303 career batting average, he's a team leader, he was detremental in the acquisition of the free agents that we picked up in the offseason, and he's a great guy. I don't think Peter Gammons, nor the ones calling for his ouster will get their way, as Casey will probably be a lifelong Red.

KronoRed
04-19-2005, 11:30 PM
How was Claussen tonight? 6 Ks and 0 BBs in the boxscore look good. But how did he actually pitch? Fill me in.
His fastball is very slow..top I saw was about 88 :(

Phhhl
04-20-2005, 09:39 AM
I was at the ballgame, and I thought Claussen pitched better than his line. The reports I heard from spring training were that he was topping out at the low to mid 80's. A lefty can be effective at 88-90. He grooved one to Patterson, and Ramirez's broken bat hit with the bases loaded really stung. Jr. had the runner at third on that one if Randa handles it. But, overall, Claussen did a decent job of changing speeds, making his fastball look a little better than the reading on the radar gun. Considering the layoff and his performance this spring, I would have to say it was an encouraging start.