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Joseph
04-20-2005, 03:47 PM
Looks to be another tough one for the boys in Red tonight. Pittsburgh starter Oliver Perez has was 4-0 against the Reds with a 1.59 ERA and seemingly double digit strikeouts each time he faced them last year. This year he is off to a less than stellar 0-2 start with an ERA in the 9's. His control seems to be off as he only has 16 Ks and 12 BBs thru 15 IPs.

For the Reds, the ever reliable Paul Wilson gets the start. He's 3-1 lifetime against the Bucs with a respectable 3.26 ERA. He's 0-1 with an era of 6.35 this year in 3 starts.

The Reds were 9-10 last season against the Pirates, a team they should own if they want to compete for the division title.


Reds
Ryan Freel, LF
D'Angelo Jimenez, 2B
Joe Randa, 3B
Adam Dunn, 1B
Wily Mo Pena, CF
Austin Kearns, RF
Rich Aurilia, SS
Jason LaRue, C
Paul Wilson, P

Pirates
Matt Lawton, RF
Jack Wilson, SS
Tike Redman, CF
Jason Bay, LF
Daryle Ward, 1B
Bobby Hill, 3B
Rob Mackowiak, 2B
Humberto Cota, C
Oliver Perez, P

traderumor
04-20-2005, 03:50 PM
It's all about tim--time--timing

We catch the Buccos getting beat up on and with their ace pitching after a rough start, both the team and Perez are due for a good game. But he's got to beat Wilson.... :evil:

flyer85
04-20-2005, 03:57 PM
My lineup
Freel - has hit well off of Perez
Randa
Casey - he is 11-22 off of Perez
Kearns
Dunn - .967 OPS against Perez
Pena
Aurilia
larue

Jr has a .000 OPS as he is 0-10 against Perez.

zombie-a-go-go
04-20-2005, 04:04 PM
Perez is going to get smoked tonight.

pedro
04-20-2005, 04:18 PM
Dunn needs to be moved up in the lineup.

Twice Randa got out the third out the other night with men on base and the next inning Dunn led off with HR's. Now I know that they're going to picth dunn different with men on base, but still.

Joseph
04-20-2005, 04:22 PM
Dunn needs to be moved up in the lineup.

Twice Randa got out the third out the other night with men on base and the next inning Dunn led off with HR's. Now I know that they're going to picth dunn different with men on base, but still.

I agree, the Randa hitting 4th experiment is over. Either make it Dunn, or just as well to make it the RFer, be it Kearns or Pena. Either way, Randa back to 6th. Less pressure, more production.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 04:23 PM
Dunn needs to be moved up in the lineup.

Twice Randa got out the third out the other night with men on base and the next inning Dunn led off with HR's. Now I know that they're going to picth dunn different with men on base, but still.

I agree.

I would bat Dunn anywhere from second to fourth. Preferably 2nd to get him more atbats.

Falls City Beer
04-20-2005, 04:24 PM
I hate it when the Reds face struggling teams. That's all I'll say on the matter.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 04:26 PM
Dunn needs to be moved up in the lineup.
Againt RH pitching. Like it or not he still struggles against lefties.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 04:26 PM
I hate it when the Reds face struggling teams. That's all I'll say on the matter.That's because the quality Reds pitching usually gets them out of their slump.

Puffy
04-20-2005, 04:32 PM
This would be my lineup tonight:

Freel 2B
Griffey CF
Dunn 1B
Pena LF
Kearns RF
Randa 3B
Lopez SS
LaRue C

pedro
04-20-2005, 04:34 PM
Againt RH pitching. Like it or not he still struggles against lefties.

I don't know. he's not off to a good start against them this year (0 for 10) but his career splits are pretty damn good.



G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
vs. Left 339 549 74 133 27 0 36 87 88 192 9 6 .242 .359 .488 .847
vs. Right 508 1219 247 307 69 5 86 194 265 387 28 8 .252 .391 .528 .919

Matt700wlw
04-20-2005, 04:35 PM
This would be my lineup tonight:

Freel 2B
Griffey CF
Dunn 1B
Pena LF
Kearns RF
Randa 3B
Lopez SS
LaRue C

Casey is batting .500 in his career against Perez....I say give him the day off tomorrow

Maybe sit Griffey

flyer85
04-20-2005, 04:35 PM
This would be my lineup tonight:

Freel 2B
Griffey CF
Dunn 1B
Pena LF
Kearns RF
Randa 3B
Lopez SS
LaRue C

I would say Jrs 0-10 againt Perez where Casey is 11-22 will move Jr to the bench. Jr needs more days off, the Reds are just asking for trouble by running him out there 5-6 days a week.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 04:39 PM
I don't know. he's not off to a good start against them this year (0 for 10) but his career splits are pretty damn good.
Last year it was 1.015 to .829. An almost 200 point diff in OPS is very significant. In the last year we have seen him really improve against RH pitching. I think it will come in time against LH pitching, we just haven't seen it yet.

KronoRed
04-20-2005, 04:39 PM
I agree with Puffy

If I see Aurilia again... :explode:

Puffy
04-20-2005, 04:40 PM
I know all that - but Casey isn't hitting against anybody right now, so sitting him against a lefty (and a tough lefty) just seems to be the move.

Its obvious that Casey is pressing, and maybe putting him in against a pitcher he has had success against would snap him out of it, cause all it will take is one game with Sean, but in a slump Perez is not the guy you wanna face lefty on lefty.

Just my opinion though, I see the basis for playing him as 22 at bats is a good sample size, but I think he needs to sit and gather himself for a game, thats all.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 04:40 PM
I agree with Puffy

If I see Aurilia again... :explode:I would rather see Lopez but I highly doubt it.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 04:41 PM
but I think he needs to sit and gather himself for a game, thats all.You could say that about a lot of guys.

Puffy
04-20-2005, 04:43 PM
You could say that about a lot of guys.

Good point.

But when Casey struggles he is a double play machine.

Joseph
04-20-2005, 04:50 PM
Good point.

But when Casey struggles he is a double play machine.

And that's just plain scary.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 04:50 PM
Three players have carried the team on offense(Randa, Dunn and Pena).

pedro
04-20-2005, 05:04 PM
Last year it was 1.015 to .829. An almost 200 point diff in OPS is very significant. In the last year we have seen him really improve against RH pitching. I think it will come in time against LH pitching, we just haven't seen it yet.

True, but that's more a testiment to his strength overall, rather than his "weakness" against LH pitchers.

Look at Casey. His lifetime OPS against LH is .762 (although last year it was .891 and I like to think last year was more indicicative of Casey's talent level and previous years were marred by injuries)

Griffey's lifetimne against LH's is .878, last year it was .682. Ouch.

It's time for WMP to get KGJ ab's against LH's.

Joseph
04-20-2005, 05:11 PM
Lance is reporting Kearns is in the lineup and Junior is not. Still don't see an official lineup yet.

RedsIn07
04-20-2005, 05:34 PM
Lance is reporting Kearns is in the lineup and Junior is not. Still don't see an official lineup yet.
Not a big suprise

danforsman
04-20-2005, 05:39 PM
My groundless prediction: Kearns' involuntary 3-day rest will serve him well. Tonight, he erupts.

MartyFan
04-20-2005, 06:18 PM
I hope he does...Love to see the of roster of Kearns, Dunn and Pena...like to see Dunn play first at somepoint to see if it is a realistic fix...of course I guess it probably isn't only based on the fact that the team was trying Kearns at third instead of moving Dunn.

RedsMan3203
04-20-2005, 06:37 PM
Pena will be in CF and Kearns in RF.

Give JR a night off, and I thought I heard we could get some rain tonight. So more incentive just to let JR rest his legs.

Leave Casey and Dunn in.

Joke'n Joe Randa maybe a day off and let Freel play 3rd.

DJ at 2nd.

Thugg Life at SS.

LaRue behind the plate.

CTA513
04-20-2005, 06:58 PM
Reds
Ryan Freel, LF
D'Angelo Jimenez, 2B
Joe Randa, 3B
Adam Dunn, 1B
Wily Mo Pena, CF
Austin Kearns, RF
Rich Aurilia, SS
Jason LaRue, C
Paul Wilson, P

Pirates
Matt Lawton, RF
Jack Wilson, SS
Tike Redman, CF
Jason Bay, LF
Daryle Ward, 1B
Bobby Hill, 3B
Rob Mackowiak, 2B
Humberto Cota, C
Oliver Perez, P

Puffy
04-20-2005, 07:01 PM
Well, I would still rather see Lopez in there against the lefty, but I'm glad Casey got the night off.

CincyRedsFan30
04-20-2005, 07:11 PM
I like the lineup with the exception of Aurilia starting.

KronoRed
04-20-2005, 07:11 PM
Randa hitting 3rd...

I'd rather see Dunn there and Randa cleanup..guess this is some sort of break up the righties thing

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 07:13 PM
I can do some play-by-play tonight if needed.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2005, 07:15 PM
.....I would have given Casey his day off tomorrow

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 07:18 PM
I like the lineup, including Aurilia at short. The only negative to Casey not being on the field is that he can scoop out just about any bad throw. He is a rally-killer at the plate.

pedro
04-20-2005, 07:24 PM
I like the lineup, including Aurilia at short. The only negative to Casey not being on the field is that he can scoop out just about any bad throw. He is a rally-killer at the plate.

Probably best to have Aurilia start with Dunn at 1st for first time this year.

CincyRedsFan30
04-20-2005, 07:24 PM
It looks like we'll get this one in. There could be some storms getting close by around the time the game is ending, but I expect most of the activity to hold off until close to or even slightly after midnight.

(EDIT: Just a heads up for those of you in the Columbus area. You guys are going to probably get slammed by strong storms in about an hour or so)

Redmachine2003
04-20-2005, 07:25 PM
Now if this Line up rocks and puts up some big numbers does Miley have the you know whats to ride it out until it cools off?

SirFelixCat
04-20-2005, 07:26 PM
Probably best to have Aurilia start with Dunn at 1st for first time this year.
Very good point there.

Hopefully the bats wakeup tonight. And solid pbp would be appreciated tonight :beerme:

Trace's Daddy
04-20-2005, 07:53 PM
Need to give the bullpen a rest tonight.

Ringo
04-20-2005, 07:55 PM
I live in Columbus and it doesn't appear as though the game is being televised on Time Warner. The paper says it's on FOX, but our channel guide shows other programming. A lot of times, Reds games get moved to channel 24, but they aren't listed there either. In fact, they should be showing Real Reds right now, but aren't. Anyone seeing this anywhere else?

Larkin411
04-20-2005, 08:09 PM
It looks like it's on now, channel 24 but it wasn't until just now. Also, for some reason MLB. TV isn't blacking it out for me on my computer. Very curious.

Puffy
04-20-2005, 08:11 PM
Probably best to have Aurilia start with Dunn at 1st for first time this year.

Thats a good point. Have you and woy been talking on the phone whereby he mentioned that and now you are passing it off as your own??

:mooner:

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:11 PM
Ready for the first pitch.

Lawton-called strike 1, called strike 2, foul, swing and miss on changeup in the dirt, 1 down.

Puffy
04-20-2005, 08:12 PM
It looks like it's on now on 24

24 rawked Monday! Jack Bauer is the man. But this is the game thread, please keep all comments to the game and not Fox TV shows.

:devil:

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:13 PM
Jack Wilson up

Called strike, swing and miss, foul behind the seats 0-2, ball down and in, foul, strike 3 swinging. 2 down.

Paul is gonna K 27 tonight.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:14 PM
Tike Redman takes a strike, and then lines a single to left. Darn, there goes the perfect game.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:16 PM
Jason Bay, the Reds killer, is now up.

Called strike, ball, pickoff attempt...and another...and another...another, sigh...Paul finally delivers to the plate--foul ball now 1-2, single to right on hit and run. Redman to 3rd.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:17 PM
Big D Ward up.

Ball, high popout to Jimenez. 3 outs.

No score after a half inning.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:18 PM
Does anyone need PBP?

I can keep going if someone needs it, but it appears I'm talking to myself right now. ;)

KronoRed
04-20-2005, 08:19 PM
Keep going..I like to have it :)

Puffy
04-20-2005, 08:20 PM
Keep doing it, if you don't mind - cause I am around.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:21 PM
Alrighty then. :)

Freel steps in:

Strike 1, ball, ball 2, foul, K swinging on a ball up.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:21 PM
Jimenez-Ball away, swing and miss, groundball single through the middle.

sjm
04-20-2005, 08:22 PM
Great job swinging at a ball at your eyes Freel.

sjm
04-20-2005, 08:24 PM
Please trade Jiminez!!

Super_Barry11
04-20-2005, 08:25 PM
Sometimes I wonder about the intelligence of our Mr. Jimenez... :rolleyes:

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:25 PM
Randa takes a strike, ball down and away, ball inside 2-1, called strike on a pitch that looked to be a good 4-6 inches off the plate, ball inside to run the count full, Randa fouls off a low 3-2 pitch. Jimenez was running on that pitch. Jimenez picked off. Bad baserunning.

Randa fouls another to remain 3-2...groundout back to Perez.

Scoreless after 1.

sjm
04-20-2005, 08:26 PM
Larson was better than Jiminez.

Falls City Beer
04-20-2005, 08:26 PM
I imagine Miley's behind the steal.

thorn
04-20-2005, 08:27 PM
Jimenez gets a hit and you dog him?

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:27 PM
Larson was better than Jiminez.

Easy, cowboy.

Larson couldn't hit or field. Jimenez atleast works the count and gets on base at a decent clip.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2005, 08:28 PM
Jiminez.....give him a paycheck and now he stinks

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 08:28 PM
Larson was better than Jiminez.

You sure about that? Larson couldn't hit .200 in a high school league.

Tony Cloninger
04-20-2005, 08:29 PM
He was stinking early last year and it was not until about June that he started
hitting again.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 08:29 PM
Wilson getting rocked. Fits right in with the garbage we have watched the last few days

sjm
04-20-2005, 08:29 PM
Why did this team sign Wilson to a new deal?

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:29 PM
Bobby Hill singles to leadoff the 2nd.

Machowiak behind 0-2...singles off the wall. Kearns play it well and holds RW to a single. Hill to 3rd.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:31 PM
Cota called strike, foul, strike 3 swinging. 1 down.

Need a DP here please.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2005, 08:31 PM
Why did this team sign Wilson to a new deal?


Because he earned it...


....will he play to the caliber of it? I guess we'll find out

Tony Cloninger
04-20-2005, 08:31 PM
WHY? Beacuse people like Casey said it was important that's why.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 08:31 PM
Why did this team sign Wilson to a new deal?

It was cheap, easy and didn't require much thinking outside the box.

paintmered
04-20-2005, 08:32 PM
You sure about that? Larson couldn't hit .200 in a high school league.


He played pretty well at LSU.

ws1990reds
04-20-2005, 08:32 PM
I wish Wilson had more velocity. His pitches seem to float up there, which is probably why he can't get past the third time through a lineup.

sjm
04-20-2005, 08:33 PM
He played pretty well at LSU.

Sure did.

sjm
04-20-2005, 08:34 PM
Another error for Aurillia.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:34 PM
I forgot the pitcher was up next.

Perez lays down a sac bunt on the first pitch. 2nd and 3rd, 2 down.

Lawton 1-1, ball up and in 2-1, ball in the dirt 3-1. Wilson looks bad again...Lawton fouls to run the count full. Aurilia boots a groundball. 1-0 Pirates.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 08:34 PM
He played pretty well at LSU.

He could hit with the tin foil but he never did get the hang of wooden bats. Which is why I wonder why more college players don't use the woodies. Using the aluminums doesn't help with the transition to pro ball.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:35 PM
Nice way to get a single, on a routine GB to short.

sjm
04-20-2005, 08:35 PM
Dunn plays grounders better than Rich.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:35 PM
Wilson groundsout to Dunn. 1-0 Pirates after 1-1/2.

Super_Barry11
04-20-2005, 08:35 PM
Ok, well, now we hit.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 08:36 PM
Pirates with 5 hits already. That's about as many as they had the last two games vs. the Cards. Man our pitching is suspect.

gilpdawg
04-20-2005, 08:36 PM
"Twasn't a routine play. Lawton can motor.

sjm
04-20-2005, 08:37 PM
When is it going to be time to find a new pitching coach? 10+ years of mediocre pitching at best is enough!

paintmered
04-20-2005, 08:37 PM
He could hit with the tin foil but he never did get the hang of wooden bats. Which is why I wonder why more college players don't use the woodies. Using the aluminums doesn't help with the transition to pro ball.


They don't use the woodies because they want to win.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:37 PM
"Twasn't a routine play. Lawton can motor.
If he could move his feet it was

d2pmr11
04-20-2005, 08:38 PM
Another error for Aurillia.

Another? I can't quite recall the others.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:38 PM
Dunn strokes a double to left-center field!

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 08:38 PM
Runner at second no outs...that run MUST score

d2pmr11
04-20-2005, 08:38 PM
Wait, I thought lefties couldn't hit lefties . . .

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:38 PM
When is it going to be time to find a new pitching coach? 10+ years of mediocre pitching at best is enough!I vote for better pitchers

ThatsAStrike
04-20-2005, 08:38 PM
Boy, the Reds' bullpen is one glum looking group, ain't it? Did you see those guys out there?

WVSteveVT
04-20-2005, 08:40 PM
espn finally changed their play by play webpage, was so annoying the way they they were doing it: listing the pitcher every time a new batter came up, instead of just at the start of the inning. Minor thing I know, but was annoying for someone like me who follows online.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:40 PM
Dunn already has 10 extra base hits-5 doubles, 1 triple, and 4 homeruns(should be 5).

Pena ball, strike 1, ball, foul 2-2, ball 3 on a close pitch, Pena groundout to 3rd...Dunn stays at second.

sjm
04-20-2005, 08:40 PM
Get the runner to 3rd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:40 PM
Reds have hit a lof of ropes right at people the last two nights.

paintmered
04-20-2005, 08:41 PM
Get the runner to 3rd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Easy there, killer.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:41 PM
Passed ball gets Dunn to 3rd. 1 out for Kearnsie.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 08:41 PM
Perez does what WMP couldn't - advance the runner

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:41 PM
Dunn already has 10 extra base hits-5 doubles, 1 triple, and 4 homeruns(should be 5).

Pena ball, strike 1, ball, foul 2-2, ball 3 on a close pitch, Pena groundout to 3rd...Dunn stays at second.and only 1 single!!

d2pmr11
04-20-2005, 08:41 PM
Get the runner to 3rd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there you have it.

KronoRed
04-20-2005, 08:41 PM
Come on Ears...say fly time :clap:

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:43 PM
2-1 count on Kearns. Called strike 2 on a slider, foul, slider low 3-2, another foul, ball 4!

TheBurn
04-20-2005, 08:43 PM
Ball 4... here comes Aurilia!

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 08:43 PM
No double plays Rich

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:44 PM
since Casey is out maybe Aurilia can do the DP.

d2pmr11
04-20-2005, 08:44 PM
Clutch Aurilia up with runners on again.

Puffy
04-20-2005, 08:44 PM
So, guy on second and no outs and WMP up and you guys would rather he sacrifice himself up to get the runner over instead of swinging hard, hitting the ball hard, but being unlucky and hitting it at someone??

What if he singled so hard that Dunn had to stop at third, would that be a problem too?

Falls City Beer
04-20-2005, 08:45 PM
Great AB by Kearns. That's a cold shower: facing a flamethrower like Perez after 3 days off.

creek14
04-20-2005, 08:45 PM
Does anyone need PBP?

I can keep going if someone needs it, but it appears I'm talking to myself right now. ;)
I'm at work and appreciating it.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:45 PM
I think Puffy is about out of bubble gum.

Puffy
04-20-2005, 08:46 PM
I'm at work and appreciating it.

Hi Creek!

paintmered
04-20-2005, 08:46 PM
I'm at work and appreciating it.


Creek, you know big brother is watching you on the unclass side.


Oh, and hi :)

sjm
04-20-2005, 08:47 PM
Dangit!!!!!!!!!

KronoRed
04-20-2005, 08:47 PM
Inning over :rant:

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:47 PM
Rich takes a ball down, ball 2 inside. We'll take a walk here, called strike 1, ball 3, swing and miss on a fastball down the pipe, 3-2 pitch...Flyout to shallow left, but Dunn scores on a horrible throw.

What! They call Dunn out for leaving early.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:47 PM
I bet Cota is happy that throw was off-line

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 08:47 PM
Unbelievable. Typical Reds. Can't score with a runner at second and NO OUTS

TheBurn
04-20-2005, 08:47 PM
Dunn Out! :angry:

creek14
04-20-2005, 08:48 PM
Creek, you know big brother is watching you on the unclass side.


Oh, and hi :)
Not to *noise up* the game thread, but I am on hour 14 and I don't give a ratz :mooner: what BB is doing. :p:

And Hi. :)

Hi Puf.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2005, 08:48 PM
These umpires are idiots...

d2pmr11
04-20-2005, 08:49 PM
That's going to hold up GameCenter all night.

sjm
04-20-2005, 08:49 PM
This has to be the dumbest team ever. They mess up so many easy scoring chances it is beyond insane.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:49 PM
That was an extremely shallow FB. I will wait for the replay. The Reds have been getting hosed by the umps early in the season.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:49 PM
That is a terrible call

gilpdawg
04-20-2005, 08:50 PM
Oh that's a horrible call!!! His foot is on the bag!

Sorry about the masked profanity. I was a little miffed.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 08:50 PM
That play was bull. He was still on the bag when the ball was caught. Replays showed it

KronoRed
04-20-2005, 08:50 PM
We got robbed..Tivo says so

oneupper
04-20-2005, 08:50 PM
If Dunn can't get a SF...no one should get one!

Matt700wlw
04-20-2005, 08:50 PM
What a crock....as soon as Bay caught the ball, Dunn ran

That's what he's supposed to do!! :censored:

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:51 PM
Chris is an idiot. Somebody give George a gun.

gilpdawg
04-20-2005, 08:51 PM
Of course Welch and Grande are rambling on about the CIA instead of stating the obvious.

CincyRedsFan30
04-20-2005, 08:51 PM
Nothing goes right for this team.

fsp382
04-20-2005, 08:51 PM
Has Miley gotten in an umps face yet this season? How can he sit back and watch stuff like this night after night

Virginia Beach Reds
04-20-2005, 08:52 PM
Boy, that was WAY too close for the Home Umpire to call. Tough call against the Home Team!

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:52 PM
2 quick outs for Wilson.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2005, 08:52 PM
Has Miley gotten in an umps face yet this season? How can he sit back and watch stuff like this night after night


He argued during the break

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:52 PM
WHen is Miley gonna get tossed with his tean getting screwed on a nightly basis.

Virginia Beach Reds
04-20-2005, 08:53 PM
Has Miley gotten in an umps face yet this season? How can he sit back and watch stuff like this night after night

he did last night on the bogus call at 3rd when Randa tagged out Prior and they called him safe...only time I remember this entire season.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2005, 08:53 PM
Nothing goes right for this team.

winning record....1 game out of first

I'd say that's a good start

CrackerJack
04-20-2005, 08:53 PM
Is Miley asleep??? Doing a McKeon on us?

FlyingPig
04-20-2005, 08:53 PM
I don't have the game on tv..I'm 400 miles away in NC, and even I could see Dunn didn't leave early..

:angry:

lollipopcurve
04-20-2005, 08:53 PM
Aurilia's AB was not good. Tried to jerk a 3-1 fastball down the middle and swung through it. Same on the 3-2 and skies to shallow left.

redbrian
04-20-2005, 08:53 PM
another day another bad call at third

CincyRedsFan30
04-20-2005, 08:53 PM
Actually 1.5 out of 1st. ;)

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 08:54 PM
Terrible. That should be an error.

gilpdawg
04-20-2005, 08:54 PM
What the heck Wily MO! That should have been a routine play for a professional outfielder.

Reds Fanatic
04-20-2005, 08:54 PM
Snould have been an easy fly to center for the last out and Pena lets it drop in front of him.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:54 PM
Pena misjudges a flyball. Inning should be over.

Ward on 1st, 2 down.

Virginia Beach Reds
04-20-2005, 08:54 PM
What a crock....as soon as Bay caught the ball, Dunn ran

That's what he's supposed to do!! :censored:

the problem was Dunn started to move, giving the illusion that he left early.

You almost NEVER see that call made unless blatantly obvious. :bang:

FlyingPig
04-20-2005, 08:54 PM
Oh by the way, I'm 25 miles from Forest City, NC...Go Todd Coffey! Hometown boy!

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:55 PM
Hill singles, Ward to 2nd.

gilpdawg
04-20-2005, 08:55 PM
Bobby Hill is on a tear.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:55 PM
I don't have a problem with the misstep but he should have busted his rear coming in instead of just loping

M2
04-20-2005, 08:55 PM
I was thinking that Bay probably did Cota a favor with that offline throw. Would you want to be blocking the plate with Adam Dunn bearing down on you at full speed?

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:56 PM
3-0 Pirates on a Machowiak 2 run double.

Thanks Pena.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:56 PM
Poor D and the umps are killing the Reds

gilpdawg
04-20-2005, 08:56 PM
This game is over. Reds just don't have any luck or spirit tonight.

RedFanAlways1966
04-20-2005, 08:56 PM
IF only WMP catches that third out...

3-0, Bucs.

sjm
04-20-2005, 08:56 PM
Instead of a 123 inning, Pena screws up the play and now they get 2 more.

redbrian
04-20-2005, 08:56 PM
we playing like a last place team

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 08:57 PM
This is ridiculous. 2 runs score because Griffey isn't playing tonight in CF. And is our pitching so bad that our so-called "ace" can't pick up his defense by retiring the next Pirate?

Oliver Perez doesn't need many more runs to turn this into another Reds loss.

M2
04-20-2005, 08:57 PM
Wilson has nothing on his pitches. That said, Wily Mo needs to make that play.

d2pmr11
04-20-2005, 08:57 PM
I'm done with Wilson. I know it's "early" but how can this guy be the "hardest working" Red?

Matt700wlw
04-20-2005, 08:57 PM
There's the blemish of Pena, which he can improve -- but he still deserves to play everyday

redbrian
04-20-2005, 08:57 PM
freel should be in center

Virginia Beach Reds
04-20-2005, 08:58 PM
This game is over. Reds just don't have any luck or spirit tonight.

giving up already. its the top of the THIRD :confused:

flyer85
04-20-2005, 08:58 PM
I can honestly say I never remember a successful appeal where the ump was wrong. Usually you have to have left at least a step early to get called out.

Chip R
04-20-2005, 08:58 PM
You wanted Wily Mo? You got him. :(

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 08:58 PM
Playing the Reds is like a vacation. Pirates already have more hits off our No. 1 starter through 2+ innings than they had in 2 games vs. St. Louis

sjm
04-20-2005, 08:58 PM
From being tied 1-1 now losing 3-0.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 08:58 PM
Wilson throwing 87 mph fastballs.

Cota popsout to Jimenez. Inning over.

3-0 Pirates.

gilpdawg
04-20-2005, 09:00 PM
giving up already. its the top of the THIRD :confused:
I'm never one to give it up. But it just seems like the Reds are already down. They don't have any spring in their step. Body language. The Dunn call killed them. Maybe they can get it back.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 09:00 PM
Wilson throwing 87 mph fastballs.
nothing unusual about that

LincolnparkRed
04-20-2005, 09:00 PM
Guess the Reds want to practice their comebacks by spotting the other teams runs early every night

Falls City Beer
04-20-2005, 09:00 PM
There's the blemish of Pena, which he can improve -- but he still deserves to play everyday

Like learning to take a walk, right?

Sometimes the young dog never learns the new trick. Junior had all the defensive instinct he needed at 19. There's a way better than average chance that Wily Mo will never learn to field the third toughest position on field. That's just one of the warts you're going to have to tolerate with him, along with his inability to take a walk.

Aronchis
04-20-2005, 09:00 PM
Wilson will be on the DL soon.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 09:00 PM
1 pitch 1 out.

redsfan4445
04-20-2005, 09:01 PM
To me it looks like Wilson is throwing across his body.. his front left foot is like stiff and when he throws he throws across his body... that is a arm injury waiting to happen.. and how can he get any speed on his fastball that way... plus this team looks flat!

sjm
04-20-2005, 09:01 PM
The <edited> 4-10 Pirates.

The Reds are jokes, like every year.

OrlandoBuckeye
04-20-2005, 09:01 PM
wow. Reds have runner on 2nd no outs and get nothing. Pirates have 2 outs nobody on and get 2. Sounds familiar

LincolnparkRed
04-20-2005, 09:02 PM
larue grounds out 1 down

TheBurn
04-20-2005, 09:02 PM
Wilson will be on the DL soon.
Ouch!

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 09:02 PM
LaRue groundout on first pitch.

Wilson ahead 3-1...fouls it off, 3-2 pitch... lines a single to left. :eek:

KronoRed
04-20-2005, 09:02 PM
I thought releasing Wilson from my fantasy team would help his numbers ;)

Hey Creek :wave:

sjm
04-20-2005, 09:02 PM
Wilson hits better than he pitches.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2005, 09:02 PM
The <edited> 4-10 Pirates.

The Reds are jokes, like every year.


Even the Devil Rays can beat the Yankees ;)

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 09:02 PM
Wilson will be on the DL soon.

It's not like this is anything unusual for him. Last year was the fluke. This is the marginal pitcher that wasn't good enough for Tampa Bay.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 09:03 PM
Freel singles, Wilson to 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
04-20-2005, 09:03 PM
Broken bat hit by Freel. We need to get some runs out of this 1st and 2nd with only one out.

M2
04-20-2005, 09:04 PM
You wanted Wily Mo? You got him. :(

Misreading the bloop was a boner for sure. I'm more distressed by not squeezing Mackowiak's screamer. Last year Wily Mo would have reeled that one in.

The Reds need a CF who can glove that ball. Jr. can't and if Wily Mo can't then the search goes on.

Raisor
04-20-2005, 09:04 PM
Freel's been an OBP machine so far this season.

Larkin411
04-20-2005, 09:05 PM
Maybe Wily Mo should stay in right field. He seems to be doing better there, this year anyway. And Austin Kearns fielding ability is pretty hyped maybe he should take over CF duties sometimes. I'm not sure if switching from Right to Center is difficult but if Griffey gets hurt...

Falls City Beer
04-20-2005, 09:05 PM
Freel's been an OBP machine so far this season.

Word them up.

redbrian
04-20-2005, 09:05 PM
Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine
Wilson throwing 87 mph fastballs.
that would be enough if his teammates make plays they should make behind him

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 09:05 PM
Bases loaded with just one out. Let's see...how will the Reds botch this up?

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 09:05 PM
Jimenez-strike, ball, ball 2 inside, strike 2 called on a horrible call. Atleast 6-8 inches outside, ball 3 low, ball 4 high.

Loaded for Randa.

Reds Fanatic
04-20-2005, 09:05 PM
Good time for Randa's 2nd grand slam this season

KronoRed
04-20-2005, 09:05 PM
Misreading the bloop was a boner for sure. I'm more distressed by not squeezing Mackowiak's screamer. Last year Wily Mo would have reeled that one in.

The Reds need a CF who can glove that ball. Jr. can't and if Wily Mo can't then the search goes on.

Kearns in CF is not a bad thing..he looked pretty good there 2 years ago

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 09:06 PM
Randa popsout on a 0-1 pitch. Damn.

Dunn up.

Raisor
04-20-2005, 09:06 PM
Dunn up with the bases loaded, and two outs.

Cool.

Larkin411
04-20-2005, 09:06 PM
Kearns in CF is not a bad thing..he looked pretty good there 2 years ago


we think alike :)

sjm
04-20-2005, 09:07 PM
How many times can one team waste easy scoring chances?

lollipopcurve
04-20-2005, 09:07 PM
Both Randa and Aurilia -- our wily vets -- have had runners on 3rd with less than two outs and failed to get them home.

ws1990reds
04-20-2005, 09:07 PM
Randa weakly pops it up to very shallow RF.

M2
04-20-2005, 09:08 PM
Kearns in CF is not a bad thing..he looked pretty good there 2 years ago

He did, but he's looking awful in RF this season.

Back to the game, hopefully Adam's mad about that call.

Puffy
04-20-2005, 09:08 PM
I loathe the Joe Randa signing

:evil:

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 09:08 PM
Dunn takes a strike, check swing foul on a ball up, HBP!

they say it hits his bat!

gilpdawg
04-20-2005, 09:08 PM
I hate that FSN crowd noise thing that they play when they are hawking tickets. If I'm just listening, and not watching, it makes me turn to the TV real quick.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2005, 09:11 PM
They're playing mind games with each other

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 09:11 PM
Again! Runners in scoring position with less than two outs and NOTHING! :bang: :thumbdown

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 09:11 PM
Dunn works it to 3-2!

foul ball...still 3-2. K's on a bad pitch away. Easily ball 4. Damnit.

gilpdawg
04-20-2005, 09:11 PM
Nas-TY pitch by Perez K's Dunn.

redbrian
04-20-2005, 09:12 PM
was that ball four ?

Carter
04-20-2005, 09:12 PM
Game is fixed..

CrackerJack
04-20-2005, 09:12 PM
Aaargh, Dunn after that great AB you swing at a bad pitch like that? He had his mind made up Perez wasn't going to walk him I guess...and he lost...happens.

ws1990reds
04-20-2005, 09:12 PM
Looks like the Reds will be in tight competition with the Pirates this year. :rolleyes:

Reds Fanatic
04-20-2005, 09:12 PM
It probably was ball four but that was a nasty pitch with a lot of movement

gilpdawg
04-20-2005, 09:12 PM
Good news is, Perez has thrown 63 pitches thru 3.

flyer85
04-20-2005, 09:13 PM
Perez made a good pitch. He had throw a bunch of fastballs in a row. Dunn was looking fastball and got fooled. It was not a strike.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 09:13 PM
was that ball four ?

Easily.

KronoRed
04-20-2005, 09:13 PM
Aaargh, Dunn after that great AB you swing at a bad pitch like that? He had his mind made up Perez wasn't going to walk him I guess...and he lost...happens.

Perhaps he's heard a 100 times lately " Dunn should swing with 2 strikes no matter what"

lollipopcurve
04-20-2005, 09:14 PM
3rd strike on Dunn not close -- slider low and away well off the plate. Dunn looked bad chasing it.

All the warts are showing tonight, so far.

Caveat Emperor
04-20-2005, 09:14 PM
I'd just like to drop by to note my total embarassment at not only trailing to possibly the worst team in baseball (possibly a team that would struggle to compete in the International league) but also the complete lack of basepath sense shown by the Reds.

And this is after showing so much improvement in avoiding mental errors over the start of the season.

The team simply doesn't have the horses to get away with making mistakes like this to teams like this.

Falls City Beer
04-20-2005, 09:14 PM
I pretty much don't get mad at any batter who runs the count to 3-2.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 09:16 PM
Pirates go down in order.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 09:17 PM
Gotta get at least 1 here to get something going.

PuffyPig
04-20-2005, 09:17 PM
I pretty much don't get mad at any batter who runs the count to 3-2.
One of the few things posted here tonight that even resembles a logical statement.

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 09:19 PM
Pena with a long HR!

3-1

Reds Fanatic
04-20-2005, 09:19 PM
Pena with his 2nd upper deck home run this week. 3-1

CrackerJack
04-20-2005, 09:19 PM
One of the few things posted here tonight that even resembles a logical statement.

Nice antagonistic post. Are you always such a jerk?

redbrian
04-20-2005, 09:19 PM
Pittsburgh might be a bad team but that pitcher own us

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 09:19 PM
WMP atones for his fielding error. 3-1 and on the board

jfar23
04-20-2005, 09:19 PM
Willie :cool:

redbrian
04-20-2005, 09:20 PM
umps can't call that run back

TheBurn
04-20-2005, 09:20 PM
WMP! :jump:

LincolnparkRed
04-20-2005, 09:20 PM
He needed another man on to make up for his error

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 09:21 PM
Kearns rips a single

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 09:21 PM
Kearns with a hit. Maybe AK will start to feel the pressure from WMP and swing the bat better. A friendly competition?

Eric_Davis
04-20-2005, 09:21 PM
WHen is Miley gonna get tossed with his tean getting screwed on a nightly basis.


It's quite obvious he hasn't got a pair.

Matt700wlw
04-20-2005, 09:21 PM
RISP? Bah...Just let Pena hit

OnBaseMachine
04-20-2005, 09:21 PM
Aurilia homers!

3-3 game.

Reds Fanatic
04-20-2005, 09:21 PM
Aurilia homers. Tie game 3-3!!!

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-20-2005, 09:21 PM
Rich Aurilia yea! Maybe that will quiet some critics

Larkin411
04-20-2005, 09:21 PM
Loverly!

Puffy
04-20-2005, 09:21 PM
One of the few things posted here tonight that even resembles a logical statement.

While I agree that many uncalled for things have been posted in here was this even close to necessary?

KronoRed
04-20-2005, 09:22 PM
Rich Aurilia is the greatest!!! ;)

jfar23
04-20-2005, 09:22 PM
Wow, whats wrong with Oliver? :beerme:

TheBurn
04-20-2005, 09:22 PM
A friendly competition?
Could be that is just what he needs...