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redsfan30
04-21-2005, 03:34 PM
While I don't agree with the snide comments regarding Casey right now, I do think a drop in the lineup would benefit him and the team.

Slide him down to 6 and let him get his stroke back, then move him back up so he can do damage.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:34 PM
Didn't realize this ... Hector Carrasco is pitching with the Nationals. JB has quite a collection.

OldXOhio
04-21-2005, 03:34 PM
I don't know if I'd go that far, but he needs to be dropped in the lineup. Putting Griffey, who can't move well, in front of Casey, who can't move, is just not a good recipe for runs

I wasn't serious, but I would rather see Kearns getting more of SC's at bats

ws1990reds
04-21-2005, 03:34 PM
Replace Casey with Kearns and I'm wit ya

But, get Jr. out of the #2 hole. He doesn't belong there. The ONLY positive of putting him there is that gets fear-induced walks.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:35 PM
While I don't agree with the snide comments regarding Casey right now, I do think a drop in the lineup would benefit him and the team.

Slide him down to 6 and let him get his stroke back, then move him back up so he can do damage.6 is where he should be.

Unassisted
04-21-2005, 03:36 PM
I think Dunn and/or Pena connect on Gonzalez.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:36 PM
I think Dunn and/or Pena connect on Gonzalez.I don't

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:38 PM
Remember the trivia question from the 2nd inning? Just got the answer. Bonds led off 20 games with a HR for the Pirates for the team record. Al Martin did it 10 times, didn't say how many Redus did.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:39 PM
Pena Ks, Dunn drills a shot to 2nd but Sanchez was able to make a play, 2 out.

Roy Tucker
04-21-2005, 03:39 PM
Jeez, you think they were pitching WMP up in the strike zone?

Retneprac
04-21-2005, 03:40 PM
Bottom of the 8th

Wily Mo strikes out looking.
Dunn grounds out to second base.
Jimenez strikes out swinging.

blah runs, blah hits, blah left.

Pirates lead 4-2. blah

Kc61
04-21-2005, 03:40 PM
6 is where he should be.

Randa 2, Griffey 3, Pena 4, Dunn 5, Casey 6.

Unassisted
04-21-2005, 03:42 PM
Mercker in for the 9th.

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 03:42 PM
Randa 2, Griffey 3, Pena 4, Dunn 5, Casey 6.

Why does our best hitter have to hit 5th?

Dunn needs to bat anywhere from 2nd to 4th.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:42 PM
Cards finished off the Cubs 4-0.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:43 PM
Randa 2, Griffey 3, Pena 4, Dunn 5, Casey 6.DUnn should be 3rd and for the time being Pena in the cleanup spot.

KronoRed
04-21-2005, 03:43 PM
Randa is going to win this in the 9th...you heard it here first

Caveat Emperor
04-21-2005, 03:43 PM
Jimenez is slumping something fierce...I was never too high on him to begin with, but this unbelievable.

I think Freel should move into 2nd for the forseeable future.

Edited to Add:
You know, lost in all this is ANOTHER solid outing for Ben Weber. Maybe he's turned the corner?

Unassisted
04-21-2005, 03:44 PM
Mercker walks Daryle Ward. :p

Kc61
04-21-2005, 03:44 PM
Why does our best hitter have to hit 5th?

Dunn needs to bat anywhere from 2nd to 4th.

It can be Randa 2, Griffey 3, Dunn 4, Pena 5, Casey 6. Concept is to surround two power guys with Griffey and Casey. Make it harder to pitch around Dunn and Pena. Or Pena and Dunn.

Unassisted
04-21-2005, 03:45 PM
Wilson sac bunts, Mercker throws to first and hits Wilson. Runners at 2nd and 3rd.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:45 PM
Keystone Kops moment, Mercker fields a bunt and hits the runner throwing to first. Runners go to second and third, no outs.

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 03:45 PM
Mercker walks Daryle Ward.Watch out Graves, he's angling for your job...

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 03:46 PM
Keystone Kops moment, Mercker fields a bunt and hits the runner throwing to first. Runners go to second and third, no outs.Somewhere, Rob Dibble is smiling :beerme:

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:46 PM
Make it harder to pitch around Dunn and Pena. Or Pena and Dunn. Nothing will do that. What you want is someone that is a good hitter who might actually knock them in(Not DJ, Larue, Aurilia, etc)

Unassisted
04-21-2005, 03:47 PM
Lawton with a checked swing bloop. Mercker throws to 1st for the out. Runners hold at 2nd and 3rd.

RedsBaron
04-21-2005, 03:47 PM
It can be Randa 2, Griffey 3, Dunn 4, Pena 5, Casey 6. Concept is to surround two power guys with Griffey and Casey. Make it harder to pitch around Dunn and Pena. Or Pena and Dunn.
Right now I'd bat Dunn third, Pena fourth and Griffey fifth.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 03:47 PM
Jack Wilson and Casey are textbook examples of how contact hitters who live and die with bat on the ball play can suffer horrendous slumps that just seem to go on and on and on, since they rarely walk or come up with extra base hits to lift your hopes during said slump.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:47 PM
Lawton grounds to Mercker, who doesn't throw it away this time. Runners have to hold. Jason Bay getting an IBB, Bobby Hill now PH for Gonzalez.

Unassisted
04-21-2005, 03:48 PM
Intentional BB of Jason Bay to load the bases.

Bobby Hill on to pinch hit.

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 03:48 PM
The 'ole unintentional, intentional?...oops, never mind. Drop the "unintentional" part.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:49 PM
I don't really understand Miley's fascination with matching Mercker up with LH hitters. He is more effective against RH hitters.

Unassisted
04-21-2005, 03:49 PM
Mercker rings up Hill with the K.

M2
04-21-2005, 03:49 PM
Didn't realize this ... Hector Carrasco is pitching with the Nationals. JB has quite a collection.

I think he's got Mel Nieves in AA.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:50 PM
Jack Wilson and Casey are textbook examples of how contact hitters who live and die with bat on the ball play can suffer horrendous slumps that just seem to go on and on and on, since they rarely walk or come up with extra base hits to lift your hopes during said slump.And hitter whose value is driven almost solely by batting average is a potential candidate.

CTA513
04-21-2005, 03:50 PM
Redman grounds out. 3 outs.

KronoRed
04-21-2005, 03:50 PM
Nice recovery :clap:

Retneprac
04-21-2005, 03:51 PM
Top of the 9th

Mercker pitching

Ward walks.
J Wilson safe at first on an error by Mercker - runners advance a base each.
Lawton grounds out to Mercker (who doesn't throw it away this time)
Bay is intentionally walked - bases loaded.
Hill (batting for Gonzales) strikes out on a breaking ball.
Redman grounds out to Mercker.

0 runs, 0 hits, 3 left. big sigh of relief

Still 4-2 bad guys.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:51 PM
JB must be happy ... Guzman threw the game ending chance away and gave the Braves a lead.

traderumor
04-21-2005, 03:51 PM
Mercker just pulled a Graves--get yourself in trouble then take credit for getting yourself out of your own mess.

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 03:51 PM
Nice job of getting out of his own jam.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:51 PM
Mercker kept himself busy, 3 grounders to the pitcher that inning.

Oxilon
04-21-2005, 03:51 PM
Who's due up in the 9th?

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:52 PM
We have Larue, PH and PH to look forward to.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:52 PM
Who's due up in the 9th?

LaRue
Lopez
PH for Mercker

M2
04-21-2005, 03:52 PM
Jack Wilson and Casey are textbook examples of how contact hitters who live and die with bat on the ball play can suffer horrendous slumps that just seem to go on and on and on, since they rarely walk or come up with extra base hits to lift your hopes during said slump.

Yep, Wilson moreso because Casey has actual BA talent. I'd have so been shopping Wilson for an impact bat this offseason.

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 03:52 PM
Who's due up in the 9th?

LaRue-Lopez-PH(Randa?)

doesn't look good for us.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:53 PM
Lopez will be PH for.

GoReds
04-21-2005, 03:53 PM
Couple of sickening stats today.

Reds Pitching - 5 BBs, 4Ks.
Reds Hitting, positions 6-8 (Jiminez, Larue, Lopez) - 1 for 10, 6Ks

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 03:53 PM
Nice job today by the bully: 4 IP with only 1 Hit

Roy Tucker
04-21-2005, 03:53 PM
I think he's got Mel Nieves in AA.
Where is Jackson Melian? And Ed Yarnall?

redsfan30
04-21-2005, 03:53 PM
Momma said there'll be days like this.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 03:53 PM
Yep, Wilson moreso because Casey has actual BA talent. I'd have so been shopping Wilson for an impact bat this offseason.

I would have targeted the Cardinals and got a 3rd team in the mix for the bat.

BTW I figured that out WITHOUT a computer or a spreadsheet.

KronoRed
04-21-2005, 03:54 PM
Where is Jackson Melian? And Ed Yarnall?
Japan? :beerme:

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:55 PM
Where's Cruz?

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:56 PM
LaRue strikes out, 9Ks for Pitt today. Jacob Cruz will hit for Mercker.

bomarl1969
04-21-2005, 03:57 PM
Gawd LaRue and Casey suck.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:57 PM
So the game will end and Miley won't have used Randa.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:57 PM
Lopez flies out to right, down to the last out.

CTA513
04-21-2005, 03:58 PM
Cruz doubles.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:58 PM
should have hit for Lopez ... dummy.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:58 PM
Cruz keeps hope alive with a double to right.

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 03:59 PM
So the game will end and Miley won't have used Randa.The game will not contain many clips for the Dave Miley highlight reel... :runaway:

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:59 PM
take a BB Ryan.

redsfan30
04-21-2005, 03:59 PM
Walkoff for Junior???


:pray:

MasonBuzz3
04-21-2005, 04:00 PM
come on freel just get on

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 04:00 PM
Wagner is warming up just in case.

bomarl1969
04-21-2005, 04:00 PM
Why do the Reds even play these weekday games? Its a given that whomever the manager may be they will put in a crap lineup and the Reds always lose.

Code Red
04-21-2005, 04:00 PM
How hard is Mesa throwing?

westofyou
04-21-2005, 04:00 PM
So the game will end and Miley won't have used Randa.

2-24 in his last 6 games. The mean is a strict master

CTA513
04-21-2005, 04:00 PM
Freel walks.

redsfan30
04-21-2005, 04:01 PM
Come on Junior!!

OldCat
04-21-2005, 04:01 PM
2-24 in his last 6 games. The mean is a strict master

Then HE'S DUE!!!!!!

flyer85
04-21-2005, 04:01 PM
I sure hope Marty was right.

WMR
04-21-2005, 04:01 PM
C'mon Griff

westofyou
04-21-2005, 04:01 PM
Why do the Reds even play these weekday games? Its a given that whomever the manager may be they will put in a crap lineup and the Reds always lose.

Sparky would play Crowley and Flynn on a day like this.

IowaRed
04-21-2005, 04:01 PM
Let's hope Marty turns out to be correct with his prediction of Jr. getting his 1st today

ws1990reds
04-21-2005, 04:02 PM
Can Junior get'er done?

M2
04-21-2005, 04:02 PM
I would have targeted the Cardinals and got a 3rd team in the mix for the bat.

BTW I figured that out WITHOUT a computer or a spreadsheet.

Surely you jest. My spreadsheet indicates I'm thirsty.

guttle11
04-21-2005, 04:02 PM
reds lose

redsfan30
04-21-2005, 04:02 PM
Crap.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 04:02 PM
game over

CTA513
04-21-2005, 04:02 PM
Pirates Win.

ws1990reds
04-21-2005, 04:02 PM
Nope, Junior is cooked.

Retneprac
04-21-2005, 04:02 PM
Bottom of the 9th

Mesa pitching for the Pirates.

LaRue strikes out...for the third straight time.
Lopez flies out to right.
Cruz (batting for Mercker) doubles to right.
Freel walks on 5 pitches.
Griffey grounds out to second on the first pitch.

Game over. Blah.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 04:02 PM
Surely you jest. My spreadsheet indicates I'm thirsty.

Mine indicates I'm sneaking out for a ride.

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 04:03 PM
Good thing Dunn isn't batting 2nd. :rolleyes:

Unassisted
04-21-2005, 04:03 PM
reds loseWelcome to RedsZone. Nice first post. ;)

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 04:03 PM
reds loseThat's quite a first post there, Guttle ;)

Matt700wlw
04-21-2005, 04:03 PM
Clutch Junior strikes again...

Roy Tucker
04-21-2005, 04:03 PM
Bah.

CTA513
04-21-2005, 04:04 PM
Good thing Dunn isn't batting 2nd. :rolleyes:

Or that Casey hit into 923423432 double plays.


:devil:

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 04:04 PM
Well at least I got to listen to 9 innings of ball and never hear about the cow-hatin' people of Hamburg. That's an improvement over last year.

KronoRed
04-21-2005, 04:04 PM
Well they didn't quit

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 04:05 PM
Welcome to RedsZone. Nice first post. ;)Wierd-o-rama...(see posts #588-589) Great minds think alike... :beerme:

guttle11
04-21-2005, 04:05 PM
i didnt want to come out too strong, i am a newbie

WMR
04-21-2005, 04:06 PM
Hmmm... that was certainly anti-climatic

RedsBaron
04-21-2005, 04:06 PM
Good thing Dunn isn't batting 2nd. :rolleyes:
It's really a simple concept-have your most effective hitters bat as often as possible. I'd have Dunn bat 2nd or 3rd and Pena bat 3rd or 4th right now.

Matt700wlw
04-21-2005, 04:07 PM
Regardless of today's outcome...good homestand

....unfortunately, the Cardinals won too

Redmachine2003
04-21-2005, 04:09 PM
jr is done i just hope he retires instead of playing out his contract. way to go miley you sit kearns aurillia and randa for this. so much for playing the hot hand.

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 04:09 PM
It's really a simple concept-have your most effective hitters bat as often as possible. I'd have Dunn bat 2nd or 3rd and Pena bat 3rd or 4th right now.

Yep. I don't know why Miley continues to bat Dunn 5th. His high OBP is perfect for the 2-spot.

Redmachine2003
04-21-2005, 04:14 PM
Man writing on a pock pc is tough. But it is a new play toy. The Transcriber is Nice though

guttle11
04-21-2005, 04:16 PM
why was junior swinging at the first pitch??????

SYCMiniBus
04-21-2005, 04:18 PM
why was junior swinging at the first pitch??????

I am just guessing but he probably thought it was a good pitch to hit. You do not tell the guy to take the pitch for the sake of taking it. He is Ken Griffey Jr. he doesn't get the take sign with runners on.

oneupper
04-21-2005, 04:19 PM
Man...wasn't that just the sloppiest game.. yuck... :thumbdown

guttle11
04-21-2005, 04:22 PM
I am just guessing but he probably thought it was a good pitch to hit. You do not tell the guy to take the pitch for the sake of taking it. He is Ken Griffey Jr. he doesn't get the take sign with runners on.




thats a good point, but with cruz doubling and freel walking in 5, Mesa didnt seem to have it, take a strike, and maybe Mesa would have walked JR. I just think that Griffy should have took a strike. Wasn't that the mandate from O'Brien anyway?

M2
04-21-2005, 04:26 PM
FWIW,the Cardinals have a 3.31 ERA. Houston started the day at 2.85, Milwaukee at 3.59 and the Cubs at 3.88.

Mutaman
04-21-2005, 04:29 PM
jr is done i just hope he retires instead of playing out his contract. way to go miley you sit kearns aurillia and randa for this. so much for playing the hot hand.

I thought we didn't like Aurillia and were bashing Miley for not playing the other guy. This gets confusing.

M2
04-21-2005, 04:35 PM
way to go miley you sit kearns aurillia and randa for this. so much for playing the hot hand.

You've got to be kidding me. Randa's not hot. Aurilia had one good game. Same goes for Kearns. Freel and Jr. did their part at the top of the lineup. FeLo had an 0-fer, c'est la vie. Overall the offense generated 13 baserunners (for a .342 team OB on the day) and forced the Pirates to throw 170 pitches. The lineup Miley used to day consistently threatened the Pirates. It just didn't get the big fly, which seems to be the essential ingredient for these Reds.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 04:41 PM
You've got to be kidding me. Randa's not hot. Aurilia had one good game. Same goes for Kearns. Freel and Jr. did their part at the top of the lineup. FeLo had an 0-fer, c'est la vie. Overall the offense generated 13 baserunners (for a .342 team OB on the day) and forced the Pirates to throw 170 pitches. The lineup Miley used to day consistently threatened the Pirates. It just didn't get the big fly, which seems to be the essential ingredient for these Reds.The construction of the lineup was the problem, not the composition.

oneupper
04-21-2005, 04:42 PM
You've got to be kidding me. Randa's not hot. Aurilia had one good game. Same goes for Kearns. Freel and Jr. did their part at the top of the lineup. FeLo had an 0-fer, c'est la vie. Overall the offense generated 13 baserunners (for a .342 team OB on the day) and forced the Pirates to throw 170 pitches. The lineup Miley used to day consistently threatened the Pirates. It just didn't get the big fly, which seems to be the essential ingredient for these Reds.

Wells was pitching around our big guys. He had nothing IMO, but picked his targets well.
We NEED a guy with "some" power behind AD. Randa did that job earlier on. WMP also. D'Lo is a "set the table" guy.

M2
04-21-2005, 04:45 PM
Wells was pitching around our big guys. He had nothing IMO, but picked his targets well.
We NEED a guy with "some" power behind AD. Randa did that job earlier on. WMP also. D'Lo is a "set the table" guy.

I completely agree (Dunn should be higher, Pena shouldn't be far behind him), but the problem had nothing to do with the absence of Kearns, Randa and Aurilia.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 04:46 PM
It just didn't get the big fly, which seems to be the essential ingredient for these Reds.
Let's hope that changes, DJ is quickly turning into the missing 8th Dwarf - "Boring"

BTW in the 12 wins the Reds had last April they had a HR in only 5 of them, this year they have a HR in every win but one

traderumor
04-21-2005, 04:46 PM
I thought we didn't like Aurillia and were bashing Miley for not playing the other guy. This gets confusing.Who is "we?"

traderumor
04-21-2005, 04:48 PM
Let's hope that changes, DJ is quickly turning into the missing 8th Dwarf - "Boring"

BTW in the 12 wins the Reds had last April they had a HR in only 5 of them, this year they have a HR in every win but oneJimenez' slumps remind me of Aaron Boone's--deep, depressing, and lots of ugly at bats and runners left on. But he also is worth the wait when he gets hot, just like Boone. I'd wait this one out.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 04:54 PM
Jimenez' slumps remind me of Aaron Boone's--deep, depressing, and lots of ugly at bats and runners left on. But he also is worth the wait when he gets hot, just like Boone. I'd wait this one out.

But with Boone you didn't have a option. I think Freel could spell DJ, Brian Roberst stole 2nd in Baltimore and this is what I would term as Freel greatest opportunity since I'm fairly certain the Reds don't like him FT at 3rd.

SYCMiniBus
04-21-2005, 04:58 PM
thats a good point, but with cruz doubling and freel walking in 5, Mesa didnt seem to have it, take a strike, and maybe Mesa would have walked JR. I just think that Griffy should have took a strike. Wasn't that the mandate from O'Brien anyway?

You can mandate a 20 year old High A ball player to take a strike that makes sense. You can not mandate one of the 50 greatest players of all time to take a strike. It doesnt work that way. He is Ken Griffey Jr you mandate him to take a strike he will laugh at you (as he should).

oneupper
04-21-2005, 04:59 PM
I completely agree (Dunn should be higher, Pena shouldn't be far behind him), but the problem had nothing to do with the absence of Kearns, Randa and Aurilia.

Absolutely...and better defense would have helped.

M2
04-21-2005, 05:08 PM
But with Boone you didn't have a option. I think Freel could spell DJ, Brian Roberst stole 2nd in Baltimore and this is what I would term as Freel greatest opportunity since I'm fairly certain the Reds don't like him FT at 3rd.

Oddly he's hitting lefties better than righties, a lot better.

In general the Reds have three players I'd like to see out there on a consistent basis - Dunn, Pena and LaRue. Separate shortstop out of the equation and that's four positions to split up between Jr., Kearns, Casey, Freel, Randa and Jiminez. Figure six games a week and that'd give each one four starts a week (I'd probably throw a weekly SS start Jiminez's way too).

Options are a good thing and Miley needs to start thinking in terms of establishing a rotation with some of those options.

Falls City Beer
04-21-2005, 05:08 PM
I completely agree (Dunn should be higher, Pena shouldn't be far behind him), but the problem had nothing to do with the absence of Kearns, Randa and Aurilia.

Perhaps not, but not aided by the presence of Jimenez and Casey. And Casey's taking up some prime real estate in the 3 spot. You can live with mediocre, but to give a bunch of at-bats to Casey in the three spot, you're creating a black hole.

Mutaman
04-21-2005, 05:10 PM
Who is "we?"

Us second guessers who don't realize that Miley is a decent manager and who he sits or bats second on any given day isn't that important. "We" are those of us who don't realize that It all comes down to pitching and that if we get decent pitching we will compete no matter who plays shortstop or how Miley makes out his batting order.

traderumor
04-21-2005, 05:17 PM
Us second guessers who don't realize that Miley is a decent manager and who he sits or bats second on any given day isn't that important. "We" are those of us who don't realize that It all comes down to pitching and that if we get decent pitching we will compete no matter who plays shortstop or how Miley makes out his batting order.

I thought you were trying to say that RZ had made a unified decision and endorse Lopez to play everyday SS over Aurilia. Now, I'm not sure what you meant.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 05:32 PM
we will compete no matter who plays shortstop

When you have to go outside the organization to find a SS then you are not in a good position once you find said player, since as a premium position most quality SS are hoarded and bartered for other useful players before they are allowed to leave for nothing.

Mutaman
04-21-2005, 05:58 PM
I thought you were trying to say that RZ had made a unified decision and endorse Lopez to play everyday SS over Aurilia. Now, I'm not sure what you meant.


To paraphraze Bill Clinton: "Its the pitching , stupid".

traderumor
04-21-2005, 06:29 PM
To paraphraze Bill Clinton: "Its the pitching , stupid".Nice.

ws1990reds
04-21-2005, 06:31 PM
You've got to be kidding me. Randa's not hot. Aurilia had one good game. Same goes for Kearns. Freel and Jr. did their part at the top of the lineup. FeLo had an 0-fer, c'est la vie. Overall the offense generated 13 baserunners (for a .342 team OB on the day) and forced the Pirates to throw 170 pitches. The lineup Miley used to day consistently threatened the Pirates. It just didn't get the big fly, which seems to be the essential ingredient for these Reds.

That's what you get when"slugging" is the focus of your lineup. You need "hitters" to really make anything of an offense. We can talk all season about how the Reds offense "could put up a ton of runs", but without hitters that can consistently drive in runs, it's all a moot point.

ws1990reds
04-21-2005, 06:35 PM
Who is "we?"

What must every thread turn into a personal issue? :rolleyes:

ws1990reds
04-21-2005, 06:40 PM
You can mandate a 20 year old High A ball player to take a strike that makes sense. You can not mandate one of the 50 greatest players of all time to take a strike. It doesnt work that way. He is Ken Griffey Jr you mandate him to take a strike he will laugh at you (as he should).

That's pure baloney. I see you're one of those who think that Junior is going to justify his contract this year. ;) Junior signed a contract. That makes him the employEE of the Reds, not the employER. The Reds can do anything they want with Junior. They can sit him, they can trade him. They can make him bat in the #9 hole. It might not make Junior happy (then again, what ever does?), but the fact is that Junior ain't what he used to be, and if he wishes to stick around much longer in MLB, he may want to listen to the advice of others. His legs aren't going to hold up much longer, and it's fairly obvious to those that watch him, that his bat is slower than it used to be.

Redmachine2003
04-21-2005, 06:41 PM
You've got to be kidding me. Randa's not hot. Aurilia had one good game. Same goes for Kearns. Freel and Jr. did their part at the top of the lineup. FeLo had an 0-fer, c'est la vie. Overall the offense generated 13 baserunners (for a .342 team OB on the day) and forced the Pirates to throw 170 pitches. The lineup Miley used to day consistently threatened the Pirates. It just didn't get the big fly, which seems to be the essential ingredient for these Reds.
Randa has been hitting the ball hard just right at people unlike Casey who is hitting week grounders on the infield. Aurilia just hit two hrs last night and you sit him right now the ball is like seeing a beach ball right now plus if you look at Aurilia's numbers he has been driving in runs lately. Kearns would have been a better upside at the plate than Jr right now. I am not sure if Jr is going to recover for this last injury. He looks slow in the field and on the bases, his power was driven by his legs and right now does not have it.

traderumor
04-21-2005, 06:44 PM
What must every thread turn into a personal issue? :rolleyes:


That's pure baloney. I see you're one of those who think that Junior is going to justify his contract this year.


I was wondering the same thing.

Eric_Davis
04-21-2005, 06:45 PM
Good analysis M2.

Eric_Davis
04-21-2005, 06:50 PM
Two out of three in Florida.

And we'll be right where we want to be.

Go REDS!!!!!!!!!

M2
04-21-2005, 07:01 PM
That's what you get when"slugging" is the focus of your lineup. You need "hitters" to really make anything of an offense. We can talk all season about how the Reds offense "could put up a ton of runs", but without hitters that can consistently drive in runs, it's all a moot point.

Guess what type of hitter drives in runs most consistently. Go ahead.

I won't hold you in suspense. It's guys who slug. By far and going away the highest correlation between RBIs and any other stat is SLG. I agree the Reds could use a more diverse lineup, but the team is what it is at this time, a club that lives and dies with the longball. Sean Casey's too hot and cold and Joe Randa's too Joe Randa to significantly remake the team (I believe they'd be more effective hitting #5 and #6). IMO the guy who most changes the composition of the lineup is Freel because he adds speed. Eddie Encarnacion could add a slash and burn element next year.

M2
04-21-2005, 07:35 PM
Randa has been hitting the ball hard just right at people unlike Casey who is hitting week grounders on the infield. Aurilia just hit two hrs last night and you sit him right now the ball is like seeing a beach ball right now plus if you look at Aurilia's numbers he has been driving in runs lately. Kearns would have been a better upside at the plate than Jr right now. I am not sure if Jr is going to recover for this last injury. He looks slow in the field and on the bases, his power was driven by his legs and right now does not have it.

Aurilia was 3 for his last 18 heading into last night. He's getting RBIs because he's seen a crazy number of runners on base (33 guys on for him in 40 PA). That's opportunity, not skill. Last night was nice, but don't think it indicates a turn of the worm.

I don't think Randa's hitting the ball as hard as you do. Regardless he's in a rather predictable swoon.

Kearns has been hitting .222 all season with a good BB rate and no power. He's yet to get hot by any measure.

Jr.'s got a .409 OB in his last six games, though I agree about his power. Ryan Freel did just fine subbing in for Randa.

You're also overlooking that Kip Wells is a much tougher pitcher on RH hitters than LH hitters. It made a lot of sense to sit those guys today. Wells' main weakness against RH hitters is wildness and Freel's better equipped to take advantage of that than Randa. You could argue Kearns would have been better equipped for it than Wily Mo, but no way is Wily Mo getting benched right now.

RedsBaron
04-21-2005, 07:39 PM
Guess what type of hitter drives in runs most consistently. Go ahead.

I won't hold you in suspense. It's guys who slug. By far and going away the highest correlation between RBIs and any other stat is SLG. I agree the Reds could use a more diverse lineup, but the team is what it is at this time, a club that lives and dies with the longball. Sean Casey's too hot and cold and Joe Randa's too Joe Randa to significantly remake the team (I believe they'd be more effective hitting #5 and #6). IMO the guy who most changes the composition of the lineup is Freel because he adds speed. Eddie Encarnacion could add a slash and burn element next year.
Well said.

Nugget
04-21-2005, 07:41 PM
Oh and it wasn't just the hitters that needed to do their job. The fielding wasn't in it as well. As good a slugger Dunn is he still cost the REDS with a fielding error today.