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flyer85
04-21-2005, 01:06 PM
Freel
Jr
Casey
Pena
Dunn
DJ
Larue
Lopez

I was pretty sure Miley didn't have a big enough pair to sit one of the veterans instead of Kearns.

Falls City Beer
04-21-2005, 01:07 PM
The 2/3 black hole. Yippee.

top6
04-21-2005, 01:08 PM
kearns needs to start getting some ABs soon. i like this lineup fine, though.

GoReds
04-21-2005, 01:08 PM
Surprising to see Junior playing on wet turf (if they play at all).

membengal
04-21-2005, 01:10 PM
Surprising to see Junior playing on wet turf (if they play at all).

Yeah, me too. I thought another day of rest for Jr. might be in order given the field, with Kearns playing.

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 01:10 PM
Miley has Griffey(.705 OPS) and Casey(.542 OPS) batting ahead of Dunn(1.100 OPS). Unreal. I don't get the guy at all.

:thumbdown :angry:

westofyou
04-21-2005, 01:13 PM
Reds vs Wells

Dunn 24 ab's .375/.464 /.708/1.173
JR 11 ab's .273/.500 /.636/1.136
Kearns 15 ab's .400/.471 /.667/1.137
Casey 16 ab's .250/.250 /.375/.625
Pena 7 ab's .143/.143 /.143/.246

membengal
04-21-2005, 01:13 PM
We need to pick one game thread. Mods? A merge?

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 01:15 PM
Reds vs Wells

Dunn 24 ab's .375/.464 /.708/1.173
JR 11 ab's .273/.500 /.636/1.136
Kearns 15 ab's .400/.471 /.667/1.137
Casey 16 ab's .250/.250 /.375/.625
Pena 7 ab's .143/.143 /.143/.246

It's obvious Miley doesn't look at stats.

membengal
04-21-2005, 01:17 PM
It's obvious Miley doesn't look at stats.

Well, in the above cases, that is a rather limited sample size...

westofyou
04-21-2005, 01:18 PM
Well, in the above cases, that is a rather limited sample size...

Yeah... but he still doesn't look at stats.

Someone let him know about Earl Weavers 3x5's

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 01:19 PM
Well, in the above cases, that is a rather limited sample size...

It's still obvious.

I would have sit Casey again. He can't hit a ball off a tee right now.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 01:20 PM
Yeah... but he still doesn't look at stats.

Someone let him know about Earl Weavers 3x5'sOnly when it suits what he already wants to do. He sat Dunn last Saturday he said because he had struggled against Pettitte.

traderumor
04-21-2005, 01:20 PM
It's still obvious.

I would have sit Casey again. He can't hit a ball off a tee right now.

Hopefully, you just guaranteed today he would break out of the slump.

PuffyPig
04-21-2005, 01:21 PM
It's still obvious.

I would have sit Casey again. He can't hit a ball off a tee right now.

And he probably won't start hitting without getting AB's. Don't be surprised if todays the day he busts out.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 01:22 PM
And he probably won't start hitting without getting AB's. Don't be surprised if todays the day he busts out.

Don't be surprised if the coin I flip comes up tails. ;)

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 01:23 PM
Hopefully, you just guaranteed today he would break out of the slump.

I hope you're right. We need him to start hitting.

shredda2000
04-21-2005, 01:26 PM
I know you cannot judge the Reds season by the first 14 games but...the Reds are on pace for a 93-69 record.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 01:26 PM
What really is expected from Casey.

In 6 seasons he has 3 good season (900+ OPS)
1 decent season (827)
2 poor seasons(696, 758)

Is a 900+ OPS a realisitic expectation for 2005?

traderumor
04-21-2005, 01:28 PM
I know you cannot judge the Reds season by the first 14 games but...the Reds are on pace for a 93-69 record.
And if they lose two in a row they'll be on for pace for 81-81 ;)

GoReds
04-21-2005, 01:28 PM
Based on your stats given, it's a coin-flip. Call it in the air...

princeton
04-21-2005, 01:29 PM
Only when it suits what he already wants to do. He sat Dunn last Saturday he said because he had struggled against Pettitte.

I'm going to guess that he actually watches the at-bats. Hard outs are good, whereas those who bail will likely fail.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 01:30 PM
Marty says a slight rain delay. Maybe only 10 minutes or so.

membengal
04-21-2005, 01:32 PM
Radar is clear, surprised there is any delay. Guess it is foggy up Cincy way...

Joseph
04-21-2005, 01:34 PM
Milton is 0-2 with a 6.04 ERA in four career starts against the Pirates.

Wells is 1-5 with a 3.55 ERA in 12 career appearances against the Reds, including 0-2 with a 4.08 ERA in three starts last year.

Should be a slugfest....or something.

redsfaninbsg
04-21-2005, 01:34 PM
I'm watching the game on MLB TV, it looks like they are showing what is shown on the JumboTron at the stadium. I've never watched a game like this before.

CincyRedsFan30
04-21-2005, 01:34 PM
A ten minute delay? :rolleyes:

Another poor job by those running things at a stadium.

Allegro
04-21-2005, 01:35 PM
Anybody know if CBS Sportsline or ESPN has pitch-by-pitch? Links? I can't seem to find it.

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 01:37 PM
Anybody know if CBS Sportsline or ESPN has pitch-by-pitch? Links? I can't seem to find it.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/gd2005.html?2005_04_21_pitmlb_cinmlb_1

membengal
04-21-2005, 01:38 PM
Anybody know if CBS Sportsline or ESPN has pitch-by-pitch? Links? I can't seem to find it.

For pitch by pitch I use Gameday at mlb.com myself...

KronoRed
04-21-2005, 01:39 PM
A ten minute delay? :rolleyes:

Another poor job by those running things at a stadium.

I blame the Bengals for using up all the stadium money so the Reds couldn't build a retractable roof


;)

PuffyPig
04-21-2005, 01:40 PM
And if they lose two in a row they'll be on for pace for 81-81 ;)

And if they win 2 in arow they're on pace for 101 wins.

CincyRedsFan30
04-21-2005, 01:41 PM
Yeah, really, lol.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 01:41 PM
A ten minute delay? :rolleyes:

Another poor job by those running things at a stadium.

get a rope.

CincyRedsFan30
04-21-2005, 01:43 PM
get a rope.

Who are we going to punish? ;)

BrooklynRedz
04-21-2005, 01:43 PM
A rainout would be most beneficial to one Lloyd McClendon if what I'm hearing is correct.

shredda2000
04-21-2005, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by PuffyPig
And if they win 2 in arow they're on pace for 101 wins.

And don't forget...they can still go 156-6!!! lol

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 01:45 PM
Anybody know if CBS Sportsline or ESPN has pitch-by-pitch? Links? I can't seem to find it.
Here is the Cbs sportsline link:

http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/live/MLB_20050421_PIT@CIN

CincyRedsFan30
04-21-2005, 01:45 PM
A rainout would be most beneficial to one Lloyd McClendon if what I'm hearing is correct.


Are you telling us Lloyd will be fired with the next Pirates loss? ;)

BrooklynRedz
04-21-2005, 01:48 PM
Are you telling us Lloyd will be fired with the next Pirates loss? ;)

Since I was told there is a successor in line, I can't imagine Littlefield will wait much long to pull this trigger. Then again, he's the guy who gave Lloyd that crazy extension.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 01:48 PM
Milton throws a strike to Jack Wilson, game underway!

CincyRedsFan30
04-21-2005, 01:49 PM
Wilson flies out. 1 out.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 01:49 PM
Since I was told there is a successor in line, I can't imagine Littlefield will wait much long to pull this trigger. Then again, he's the guy who gave Lloyd that crazy extension.

tease me... who is in line?

Could it be the man Dan O was after?

KronoRed
04-21-2005, 01:49 PM
Are you telling us Lloyd will be fired with the next Pirates loss? ;)
I'm surprised any manager survives a sweep by the Reds ;)

CincyRedsFan30
04-21-2005, 01:49 PM
Fly out by Lawton. 2 outs.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 01:50 PM
J. Wilson fly out to center

Lawton fly out to left

Bay singles to left

westofyou
04-21-2005, 01:50 PM
OF's make odd managers most of the time.

Not a long list of successful managers who played OF exclusivly

CincyRedsFan30
04-21-2005, 01:50 PM
Bay singles.

adampad
04-21-2005, 01:53 PM
Any FREE interenet radio links available?

M2
04-21-2005, 01:53 PM
Wells should be good medicine for Casey. He's yet another guy who's a lot more vulnerable against LH hitters. Could be a tough day for Wily Mo if he's on.

The Pirates lineup also should be good medicine for Milton. Wilson discovered last night they'll get themselves out if you start working outside the strikezone.

CincyRedsFan30
04-21-2005, 01:54 PM
Craig Wilson walks. 1st and 2nd, 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 01:54 PM
Any FREE interenet radio links available?
usually you can go to athensi.com and click on WATH but i can't get it to work today.

Retneprac
04-21-2005, 01:55 PM
Top of the 1st

Jack Wilson flies out to Griffey on an 0-1 count.
Matt Lawton flies out to Dunn on a 1-1 count.
Jason Bay singles to left...there goes the no hitter.
Craig Wilson walks on a full count.
Tyke Redman flies out to Dunn on a 2-0 count.

0 runs, 1 hit, 2 left

TC81190
04-21-2005, 01:55 PM
I turn on the radio, and what do I hear?

"Do you ever go to a sporting event with your shirt off?"

adampad
04-21-2005, 01:55 PM
I couldn't either. Or the last time I tried.

CincyRedsFan30
04-21-2005, 01:55 PM
Milton has to throw strikes to this lineup. Come on, Eric. He needs to do a better job of that during the 2nd.

KronoRed
04-21-2005, 01:56 PM
Any FREE interenet radio links available?
Wkki.com

Retneprac
04-21-2005, 01:56 PM
Did Marty say "smart ass?"

BrooklynRedz
04-21-2005, 01:57 PM
tease me... who is in line?

Could it be the man Dan O was after?

I honestly don't know anything more than whomever it is, considering the lack of appeal the job has, it is someone with ties to the Bucs. I'd assume it is a former player currently on staff elsewhere.

PickOff
04-21-2005, 01:58 PM
Did Marty say "smart ass?"

He was describing himself.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 01:59 PM
I'd assume it is a former player currently on staff elsewhere

Bill Virdon? :p:

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 01:59 PM
Wells has walked 13 in 18.1 innings. Be patient at the plate, and we'll hammer this guy.

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 02:01 PM
I honestly don't know anything more than whomever it is, considering the lack of appeal the job has, it is someone with ties to the Bucs. I'd assume it is a former player currently on staff elsewhere.

My guess is Brian Graham. He's the guy DanO wanted.

MartyFan
04-21-2005, 02:01 PM
Marty says today is the day for Junior to go long

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:02 PM
Wells is throwing a batch of pitches. Freel lined out on a full count, Griffey flies out to left center on a full count.

KronoRed
04-21-2005, 02:03 PM
Marty says today is the day for Junior to go long
Thus he won't

Thanks Marty :p:

Joseph
04-21-2005, 02:03 PM
Chat does not like me here at work.....guess I'll share my witty comments from this side.

MartyFan
04-21-2005, 02:04 PM
Strange lineup today...why would you sit Randa and Aurillia today?

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:04 PM
Another full count, Casey walks.

MartyFan
04-21-2005, 02:05 PM
I like the fact that Wells is pitching a lot of pitches to each of the three batters he has faced..has as many in three batters as Milton did to 5...

westofyou
04-21-2005, 02:05 PM
Strange lineup today...why would you sit Randa and Aurillia today?

Beacuse Randa has played every game and RA can't hit RH pitching any better than Lopez

MartyFan
04-21-2005, 02:06 PM
On ESPN why don't they have WMP in a Reds Uniform?

MartyFan
04-21-2005, 02:07 PM
Beacuse Randa has played every game and RA can't hit RH pitching any better than Lopez

Thanks...just thought it was strange

flyer85
04-21-2005, 02:07 PM
might Wily get a BB?

CTA513
04-21-2005, 02:09 PM
Pena doubles, 1 run scores.

1-0 Reds

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:09 PM
Marty says he talked to Miley, Machado is close to coming back.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 02:09 PM
Sean scored from first? I'm stunned.

MartyFan
04-21-2005, 02:09 PM
Long double...wilyMo WilyMo WilyMo....dd you ever think any Reds broadcaster would say that WMP had a "great at bat"

cumberlandreds
04-21-2005, 02:09 PM
Pena!Pena!Pena! What a hitter!

flyer85
04-21-2005, 02:09 PM
intentional BB to Dunn

Joseph
04-21-2005, 02:09 PM
Sean scored from first? I'm stunned.

Deceptive speed. ;)

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:10 PM
Wells has now gone full count to all four batters. He won't get the chance now, Dunn is getting the IBB.

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 02:10 PM
Even Pena works it full, and doubles in Casey!

Caveat Emperor
04-21-2005, 02:10 PM
Wily Mo Pena....Working the Count!? :eek:

creek14
04-21-2005, 02:10 PM
Stuck at work without outside communication - any PBP will be greatly appreciated (especially if it involves Dunn ;) )

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 02:11 PM
Pena is now hitting .371

RedsFan75
04-21-2005, 02:11 PM
So far 32 pitches for Wells and not out of the first yet

oneupper
04-21-2005, 02:11 PM
Miley's lineup construction takes the bat out of Dunn's hands. :thumbdown

(intentional walk)

Retneprac
04-21-2005, 02:12 PM
Bottom of the 1st

Freel lines out to second on a full count.
Griffey lines out to Bay on another full count.
Casey walks on yet another full count.
Wily Mo doubles on a full count and drives in Casey. 1-0 Reds!
Dunn intentionally walked.
Jimenez strikes out looking.

1 run, 1 hit, two left on

RedsFan75
04-21-2005, 02:12 PM
I'm with ya Creek, I do have CBS Sportsline...

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 02:12 PM
Don't be surprised if the coin I flip comes up tails. ;)Well said, my friend...

SirFelixCat
04-21-2005, 02:12 PM
36 pitches for Wells here in the first.

DJ k's

thru 1, 1-0 Good guys

membengal
04-21-2005, 02:12 PM
Even Pena works it full, and doubles in Casey!

You know, that sounded like a real outstanding at-bat for Pena. Worked the count, fouled off a bunch of pitches, and finally got one he could handle and drove it.

That is a great sequence.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:12 PM
Jimenez Ks to end the inning. 1-0 Reds after 1. Wells threw 36 pitches that inning.

MartyFan
04-21-2005, 02:13 PM
What is up with D-Lo?

Thought...if Machado (spelling?) does come back do you suppose we see D-Lo traded as part of a packge with Casey or Junior for a quality arm and a prospect?

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 02:13 PM
CBS sportsline is running really slow. MLB gameday seems to be running better to keep up with the game.

Roy Tucker
04-21-2005, 02:14 PM
Makes you wonder if an editorial comment is being made when GameDay shows a called 3rd strike about 6 inches inside.

CTA513
04-21-2005, 02:14 PM
What is up with D-Lo?

Thought...if Machado (spelling?) does come back do you suppose we see D-Lo traded as part of a packge with Casey or Junior for a quality arm and a prospect?

I dont know if Machado plays second, he was supposed to take over SS till that knee injury.

creek14
04-21-2005, 02:15 PM
Bottom of the 2nd

Freel lines out to second on a full count.
Griffey lines out to Bay on another full count.
Casey walks on yet another full count.
Wily Mo doubles on a full count and drives in Casey. 1-0 Reds!
Dunn intentionally walked.
Jimenez strikes out looking.

1 run, 1 hit, two left on
Ahh, this rawks (not the 2 left on) but the nice little summary!! Thanks! :thumbup:

MartyFan
04-21-2005, 02:16 PM
I dont know if Machado plays second, he was supposed to take over SS till that knee injury.

Right...put him in at SS and run Aurillia over to 2b....or Lopez at 2b

GoReds
04-21-2005, 02:16 PM
Wells with four first-pitch strikes out of six batters. Milton with one out of five.

SirFelixCat
04-21-2005, 02:16 PM
Wigginton flies out to WMP. 1 out

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:17 PM
Sounds like Wily Mo made it a bit of an adventure but he catches Wigginton's fly to start the 2nd.

SirFelixCat
04-21-2005, 02:17 PM
Milton walks Freddie "Dirty" Sanchez. 1 on, 1 out

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 02:17 PM
Freddy Sanchez walks on a 3-2 count.

seven and chang
04-21-2005, 02:19 PM
a hypothetical....say wily mo's double came in the ninth with two down and casey's run brought the reds within one of tying the game. wily mo upon seeing the ball is not gonna leave the ballpark stops or even retreats to first instead of cruising into second. more than likely this leaves the bat in dunn's hands. would forfeiting a base in this situation be considered smart baseball or stupid baseball?

PuffyPig
04-21-2005, 02:19 PM
Wells with four first-pitch strikes out of six batters. Milton with one out of five.
Obviously, first pitch strikes aren't always the answer. You need to follow them up with something.

MartyFan
04-21-2005, 02:21 PM
Could the Cubs be looking to pick up D-Lo and/or maybe Aurillia?

GoReds
04-21-2005, 02:21 PM
Obviously, first pitch strikes aren't always the answer. You need to follow them up with something.

The Pirates have 3 starters with averages under .180 and only one starter over .300. Milton should be challenging these guys.

RedsFan75
04-21-2005, 02:21 PM
Unfortunately we can't get MLB's Gameday through our proxy here at work.

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 02:21 PM
Milton isn't looking much better. 35 pitches-18 strikes, 17 balls.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:21 PM
Milton is turning into Wells this inning with his pitch count. Ross flies out on a full count, 2 gone with the pitcher due up.

cumberlandreds
04-21-2005, 02:22 PM
a hypothetical....say wily mo's double came in the ninth with two down and casey's run brought the reds within one of tying the game. wily mo upon seeing the ball is not gonna leave the ballpark stops or even retreats to first instead of cruising into second. more than likely this leaves the bat in dunn's hands. would forfeiting a base in this situation be considered smart baseball or stupid baseball?

In this instance it would be dumb. Because if Dunn is IBB then the Reds could bring Kearns off the bench to PH.

MartyFan
04-21-2005, 02:22 PM
Agreed, Milton needs to get his game together

SirFelixCat
04-21-2005, 02:22 PM
Ross, after about 35 pitches, flies out, F-7. 2 down, man on 1st.

OnBaseMachine
04-21-2005, 02:22 PM
All five outs recorded by Milton have been flyouts...

MartyFan
04-21-2005, 02:23 PM
What the heck is that? Kip Wells?

SirFelixCat
04-21-2005, 02:23 PM
Wells singles, 1st and 2nd, 2 out.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:24 PM
Kip Wells singles. Marty remarks that Wells helps himself, as required by federal law whenever a pitcher gets on base.

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 02:24 PM
It is amazing how well opposing pitchers have hit against the Reds this year.

BCubb2003
04-21-2005, 02:25 PM
Elsewhere: Garciaparra out 2 to 3 months.

GoReds
04-21-2005, 02:26 PM
Elsewhere: Garciaparra out 2 to 3 months.

Hamm-string?

Retneprac
04-21-2005, 02:26 PM
Top of the 2nd

Wigginton flies out to Pena.
Sanchez walks.
Ross flies out to Dunn.
Wells singles to left.
wild pitch moves Sanchez to third
J. Wilson pops up to LaRue


0 runs, 1 hit, 2 left

1- 0 good guys!

RedsFan75
04-21-2005, 02:26 PM
Milton walks Freddie "Dirty" Sanchez. 1 on, 1 out

Trying to remember this name?? Why the Dirty?

SirFelixCat
04-21-2005, 02:26 PM
Milton uncorks a wild one, runner on 2nd advances. men at the corners, 2 outs. 1-2 to Jack Wilson.


Pop up to Larue....inning over.

MartyFan
04-21-2005, 02:26 PM
Elsewhere: Garciaparra out 2 to 3 months.

Yeah, that is why I asked about a trade of D-Lo or Aurillia or Lopez to the Cubs with Merchado coming back.

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 02:26 PM
Hamm-string?
No a torn left groin

CincyRedsFan30
04-21-2005, 02:26 PM
Milton isn't going to last more than five innings if he doesn't start throwing more strikes soon.

SirFelixCat
04-21-2005, 02:27 PM
Hamm-string?

Popped his groin last night, stumbling out of the box.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:27 PM
Marty and Marc Lancaster were speculating on Lloyd McClendon's future. Doesn't look too bright.

RedsFan75
04-21-2005, 02:27 PM
Elsewhere: Garciaparra out 2 to 3 months.

Saw a report and they stated it was similar to Piazza's where the muscle pulled away from the bone.

GoReds
04-21-2005, 02:27 PM
No a torn left groin

My attempt at a bit of levity. Apparently, a very small bit.

oneupper
04-21-2005, 02:27 PM
a hypothetical....say wily mo's double came in the ninth with two down and casey's run brought the reds within one of tying the game. wily mo upon seeing the ball is not gonna leave the ballpark stops or even retreats to first instead of cruising into second. more than likely this leaves the bat in dunn's hands. would forfeiting a base in this situation be considered smart baseball or stupid baseball?

WOY will know about this. But didn't Ty Cobb steal first once?

westofyou
04-21-2005, 02:27 PM
Elsewhere: Garciaparra out 2 to 3 months.

Will Carroll said this 2 months ago.

Red light - SS Nomar Garciaparra: Agreeing to the incentive-laden contract in hopes of pushing Garciaparra to stay healthy seems like a good idea. Eight million is still a large stack of green to put at risk. Garciaparra can't be in better shape--he's one of Mark Verstegen's hardest workers in the offseason--and his chronic wrist problem is likely to surface at all the wrong times.

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 02:28 PM
I believe BOTH starting pitchers are going to need Tommy John surgery prior to the fifth inning...92 total pitches thrown through the first 2 innings... :eek:

Roy Tucker
04-21-2005, 02:28 PM
Hamm-string?
The proverbial stiff groin.

cumberlandreds
04-21-2005, 02:28 PM
No a torn left groin

That could easily be season ending. :eek:

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 02:28 PM
Wilson fouls out to the catcher to end the inning. 1-0 Reds in the middle of the 2nd. Milton has 44 pitches through 2 innings.

Buckeye33
04-21-2005, 02:29 PM
Trying to remember this name?? Why the Dirty?

Oh lord, llets hope no one decides to explain what this is on this forum :)

:eek:

flyer85
04-21-2005, 02:29 PM
WooHoo ... here comes Neifi "the out machine" Perez

Roy Tucker
04-21-2005, 02:29 PM
WOY will know about this. But didn't Ty Cobb steal first once?
Lou Pinella did. But then he decided he didn't want to get caught with it and threw it into right field.

M2
04-21-2005, 02:30 PM
Most leadoff homers by a Pirate? Got to be Gary Redus.

GoReds
04-21-2005, 02:30 PM
WooHoo ... here comes Neifi "the out machine" Perez

Yeah, but at least with Neifi, you know what you're getting... :rolleyes:

oneupper
04-21-2005, 02:30 PM
Lou Pinella did. But then he decided he didn't want to get caught with it and threw it into right field.

:D :D

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:31 PM
Trivia time!

Sorry, they gave a Pirates question today. Tike Redman has led off a game with a HR twice in his career. Who is the team's all time leader?

A. Al Martin
B. Gary Redus
C. Barry Bonds

Answer in the 8th inning.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 02:32 PM
WOY will know about this. But didn't Ty Cobb steal first once?

Germany Schaffer was said to have done it, but that seems to have no written backup aside from tales from fellow players.

This is confirmed.

8/13/1902

"In the 6th inning of a game with the Tigers, Harry Davis of the A's attempts a double steal with Dave Fultz, who is on 3B. But Davis does not draw a throw as he goes into 2B. On the next pitch he 'steals' 1B. The next time he steals 2B he does draw a throw and Fultz scores from 3B..."

(baseballlibrary.com

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 02:32 PM
Larue flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 02:33 PM
Lopez strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:33 PM
Quick inning. LaRue FO, Lopez K, Milton K. Reds 1-0 after 2.

PuffyPig
04-21-2005, 02:33 PM
a hypothetical....say wily mo's double came in the ninth with two down and casey's run brought the reds within one of tying the game. wily mo upon seeing the ball is not gonna leave the ballpark stops or even retreats to first instead of cruising into second. more than likely this leaves the bat in dunn's hands. would forfeiting a base in this situation be considered smart baseball or stupid baseball?

It would be incredibly dumb. If you assume that the Reds believe that Pena could score more easily from first with Dunn AB than from 2nd with Jimeniz AB (and if you can't assume it then why would Pens be held up?), then the smart play would be for the Pirates to walk Dunn intentionally anyway. Which they wouldn't, because in almost any conceivable situation, a player can score from 2nd way better than from 1st. The leagues worst hitters have a better chance of getting a single than the league's best hitters getting a double or more.

Retneprac
04-21-2005, 02:33 PM
Bottom of the 2nd (my pleasure creek)

LaRue fouls out to Lawton in right.
Lopez strikes out on a breaking ball.
Milton strikes out.

0 runs, 0 hits, 0 left

still 1-0 good guys!

GoReds
04-21-2005, 02:35 PM
What's the over/under on Milton's pitch count this inning (going through the "heart" of the Bucs lineup).

I'll put it at 19.

cumberlandreds
04-21-2005, 02:36 PM
Bottom of the 2nd (my pleasure creek)

LaRue fouls out to Lawton in right.
Lopez strikes out on a breaking ball.
Milton strikes out.

0 runs, 0 hits, 0 left

still 1-0 good guys!

A big thank you from me too. I'm in DC which is now GNats territory now. :thumbup:

Roy Tucker
04-21-2005, 02:37 PM
Trivia time!

Sorry, they gave a Pirates question today. Tike Redman has led off a game with a HR twice in his career. Who is the team's all time leader?

A. Al Martin
B. Gary Redus
C. Barry Bonds

Answer in the 8th inning.
IIRC, Bonds batted leadoff for the Bucs early in his career (like first 3-4 seasons) when he was shaped like a normal person. I'll say Bonds.

creek14
04-21-2005, 02:38 PM
Hamm-string?
I got it. :cool: :)

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 02:38 PM
Lawton hit by a pitch to lead off the inning

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:39 PM
Announcers aren't happy with Wily Mo, apparently he played Bay's fly ball into a double. 2nd and 3rd now.

creek14
04-21-2005, 02:39 PM
Bottom of the 2nd (my pleasure creek)

LaRue fouls out to Lawton in right.
Lopez strikes out on a breaking ball.
Milton strikes out.

0 runs, 0 hits, 0 left

still 1-0 good guys!
Good job again, but I like it better when you say we scored. :p: :D

westofyou
04-21-2005, 02:40 PM
Bonds had 63 HR's in the first slot for the Pirates his first 4 years.

The Pirates annoucers are ripping on Pena's OF play... they are not impressed.

princeton
04-21-2005, 02:40 PM
Announcers aren't happy with Wily Mo, apparently he played Bay's fly ball into a double. 2nd and 3rd now.

we really have our A defenders in this game.

no, seriously, we do have our A defenders in this game :help:

CTA513
04-21-2005, 02:41 PM
The Pirates annoucers are ripping on Pena's OF play... they are not impressed.

I think the Pirates have more to worry about than Willy Mo.

:evil:

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:41 PM
C. Wilson singles to right, tie game. 1st and 3rd, no outs, Redman up.

RedsFan75
04-21-2005, 02:42 PM
Hmm... does it seem like Wily Mo muff's a play and then try's hard to make up for it, and ends up hitting those upper deck shots...

flyer85
04-21-2005, 02:42 PM
will Milton survive the 3rd?

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:42 PM
Casey snags a line drive, almost doubled Wilson off first but Wilson beat im to the bag.

Falls City Beer
04-21-2005, 02:43 PM
Defenders? I see a pitcher who couldn't retire the pope. The last one.

Aronchis
04-21-2005, 02:43 PM
Milton looks like crap today. Another long day for the BP after last night short run.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:43 PM
Wigginton grounds to 3rd, Frell goes to 1st for the out, another run scores. 2-1 PIT.

GoReds
04-21-2005, 02:43 PM
Defenders? I see a pitcher who couldn't retire the pope. The last one.

Okay, I call shenanigans - the Pope has obvious help.

GoReds
04-21-2005, 02:45 PM
I wonder how the Cardinals fare each time a new Pope is elected?

Falls City Beer
04-21-2005, 02:45 PM
Milton looks like crap today. Another long day for the BP after last night short run.

Milton's pure schizophrenia. Never has so much good stuff and bad stuff resided in the same pitcher.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 02:46 PM
I predict that Milton will have a better pitch count record on the road than at home. He'll exert extra energy trying to keep the ball down in the GAB, missing more often than not on days he's not on. Plus his K rate goes down with runners on base... making his defense more important than it already is (now who doesn't think the Reds should have their best OF defensive team out there when Milton pitches?)

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:46 PM
Milton uncorks his second wild pitch of the day, runner moves to 3rd.

Retneprac
04-21-2005, 02:46 PM
Top of the 3rd

Lawton hit by the first pitch.
Bay doubles off the wall in right - Lawton goes to third.
C. Wilson single drives in Lawton - Bay moves to third. 1-1.
Redman lines out to Casey.
Wigginton grounds out to Freel - Bay scores - Wilson moves to second. 2-1 Pirates.
wild pitch moves Wilson to third
Sanchez grounds out to Freel.

2 runs, 2 hits, 1 left.

2-1 Pirates. Blech.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:47 PM
Freel guns down Freddy Sanchez from foul territory outside 3rd. Steve Stewart sure was excited. Inning over, 2-1 Pirates.

CTA513
04-21-2005, 02:47 PM
Milton up to 64 pitches, he probably has 2 more innings left then on to the bullpen.

GoReds
04-21-2005, 02:47 PM
Milton 21 pitches that inning. So, the correct answer was OVER.

Roy Tucker
04-21-2005, 02:48 PM
Milton uncorks his second wild pitch of the day, runner moves to 3rd.
I wonder where the term "uncorks a wild pitch" came from?

Like, it's been in a bottle waiting to get out?

flynn78
04-21-2005, 02:49 PM
Milton is definitely struggling today.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 02:49 PM
I wonder where the term "uncorks a wild pitch" came from? I prefer ... "just a little bit outside"

flyer85
04-21-2005, 02:50 PM
Well marty called today as a Jr HR day. Now would be a good time.

Falls City Beer
04-21-2005, 02:50 PM
This outfield is lousy with guys with all kinds of problems: Griffey has the instinct but not the wheels, Pena has the wheels but zero instinct, and Dunn's a statue.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 02:51 PM
The only excitement is waiting for WMP and Dunn to bat.

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 02:51 PM
Freel grounds out to third

Falls City Beer
04-21-2005, 02:51 PM
Well marty called today as a Jr HR day. Now would be a good time.

Wait for warmer weather.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:52 PM
Griffey grounds out as well. Good thing Marty didn't call the 3rd inning for Jr.'s homer.

CTA513
04-21-2005, 02:52 PM
Casey doubles.

flynn78
04-21-2005, 02:52 PM
Casey double

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 02:53 PM
Kip Wells' real name is Robert. There's your tidbit of information this inning.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 02:53 PM
I wonder where the term "uncorks a wild pitch" came from?

Like, it's been in a bottle waiting to get out?

Probably comes from the days when all bottles were corked as opposed to capped.

There hasn't been a pitchers box for over 110 years yet they still say "Hit through the box."

flynn78
04-21-2005, 02:55 PM
Wily Mo really hanging in there today in his at-bats

Falls City Beer
04-21-2005, 02:55 PM
Probably comes from the days when all bottles were corked as opposed to capped.

There hasn't been a pitchers box for over 110 years yet they still say "Hit through the box."


And I suspect the reason that idiom has stuck is that when you watch a game on TV a wild pitch resembles a cork bouncing off a linoleum floor.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 02:55 PM
This outfield is lousy with guys with all kinds of problems: Griffey has the instinct but not the wheels, Pena has the wheels but zero instinct, and Dunn's a statue.

Nah... Craig Wilson and Kevin Millar are statues, Dunn's a dumpster on a dolly.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 02:55 PM
trying to get WMP to swing at a bad one

flynn78
04-21-2005, 02:56 PM
WP Casey to third

westofyou
04-21-2005, 02:56 PM
The pitching rubber used to be a slab of marble, hence the term "toeing the slab"

CTA513
04-21-2005, 02:56 PM
Pena walks :)

flyer85
04-21-2005, 02:56 PM
WMP gets a BB. Impressive.

GoReds
04-21-2005, 02:57 PM
Dunn time for an Adam bomb.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 02:57 PM
Kip Wells is having a Bruce Bereyni day.

ThatsAStrike
04-21-2005, 02:57 PM
I wonder where the term "uncorks a wild pitch" came from?

Like, it's been in a bottle waiting to get out?
According to The Dickson Baseball Dictionary (which I highly recommend, btw), the term "uncork" means To throw explosively, like a champagne cork coming out of a bottle.

aernisius
04-21-2005, 02:57 PM
First walk of the year for Wily Mo.

GoReds
04-21-2005, 02:58 PM
If you were McClendon, would you walk Dunn here - again?

flynn78
04-21-2005, 02:59 PM
News out of Chicago. Nomar torn groin muscle 2-3 months :eek: :eek:

CTA513
04-21-2005, 03:00 PM
Dunn walks, bases loaded for Jimenez.

flynn78
04-21-2005, 03:01 PM
Dunn walk, bases loaded.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:01 PM
Wells not interested in Dunn ... probably the smart play with DJ behind him.

KronoRed
04-21-2005, 03:01 PM
Good work Adam..don't swing if it's crap

SirFelixCat
04-21-2005, 03:01 PM
Time to be patient, DJ!!!

MartyFan
04-21-2005, 03:02 PM
yep...make Wells make the pitch

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:02 PM
Good work Adam..don't swing if it's crapDunn is certainly not a bad ball hitter.

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 03:02 PM
Wells is up to 70 pitches already

flynn78
04-21-2005, 03:02 PM
CTA513 we seem to in sync today

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:03 PM
Stewie slammin on DJ.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:03 PM
Full count, this should be fun!

CTA513
04-21-2005, 03:03 PM
Jimenez grounds out.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:04 PM
No fun, ground out to C. Wilson. 2-1 PIT after 3.

SirFelixCat
04-21-2005, 03:04 PM
Ground out weakly to Craig Wilson. Aargh.

Retneprac
04-21-2005, 03:04 PM
Bottom of the 3rd

Freel grounds out to third.
Griffey grounds out to first.
Casey doubles to left field.
passed ball moves Casey to third
Wily Mo comes back from an 0-2 count to walk.
Dunn walks on another full count.
Jimenez grounds out to first.

0 runs, 1 hit, 3 left

2-1 Pirates at the end of 3. Blech.

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 03:05 PM
Through 3 innings:

Milton has thrown 64 pitches
Wells has thrown 76 pitches

Aronchis
04-21-2005, 03:05 PM
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CTA513
04-21-2005, 03:05 PM
Wells up to 76 pitches next inning should be his last inning.

Carter
04-21-2005, 03:05 PM
Would you have pinch hit Randa in for D'Ang and move Freel to 2nd?

Caveat Emperor
04-21-2005, 03:05 PM
What are Jimenez's splits for R/L as a switch hitter? It seems like he absolutely cannot put anything resembling a charge into the ball when he's batting from the L-side.

Code Red
04-21-2005, 03:05 PM
5 men left on base for Jimenez.

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 03:06 PM
Hey, Jimenez has only left five men on base through his first two at bats....

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 03:06 PM
What are Jimenez's splits for R/L as a switch hitter? It seems like he absolutely cannot put anything resembling a charge into the ball when he's batting from the L-side.
Coming into today he was hitting .100 against right handers.

westofyou
04-21-2005, 03:07 PM
DJ has traditionally been way worse from the RH side, this year he's bad all around.

SirFelixCat
04-21-2005, 03:08 PM
Hey, my ole buddy writerdan got mentioned by Marty :D

westofyou
04-21-2005, 03:08 PM
Dunn is certainly not a bad ball hitter.

According to the stats in the BJ Handbook, Dunn had ZERO hits last year on balls outside of the strikezone.

Roy Tucker
04-21-2005, 03:09 PM
Lord I wish this team could get a clutch hit (even though I know there is no such thing).

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:09 PM
that's why it is so stupid to bat Dunn 5th with DJ behind him. They will pitch around him anywhere in the lineup but the idea is to have somebody behind him to take advantage of the situation. He should be hitting 3rd and pena 4th and Casey 5th

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:10 PM
LaRue hangs on to a foul tip and Ross strikes out.

princeton
04-21-2005, 03:10 PM
According to the stats in the BJ Handbook, Dunn had ZERO hits last year on balls outside of the strikezone.

any sac flies on balls outside the strikezone?

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 03:10 PM
At this rate, this game is on a 4 hour and 40 minutes pace!!!

westofyou
04-21-2005, 03:11 PM
any sac flies on balls outside the strikezone?

Nah..... you're just being silly.

BTW the Pirates annoucers just said Lopez was an "Outstanding Fielder"

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 03:12 PM
Lord I wish this team could get a clutch hit (even though I know there is no such thing).Was I dreaming last night, or did FSN show a graphic that said the Reds were leading the league with 2 out hits and RISP? Is that posssible?

Retneprac
04-21-2005, 03:12 PM
Top of the 4th

Ross strikes out (3rd strike a foul tip caught by LaRue)
Wells grounds out to short.
J. Wilson grounds out to second.

0 runs, 0 hits, 0 left

Still 2-1 Pirates. Blech.

mlieb7
04-21-2005, 03:12 PM
What ever happened to quick games on getaway days?

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:12 PM
Nah..... you're just being silly.

BTW the Pirates annoucers just said Lopez was an "Outstanding Fielder"They know quality when they see it.:D

Roy Tucker
04-21-2005, 03:12 PM
BTW the Pirates annoucers just said Lopez was an "Outstanding Fielder"
No, they said he was out standing in the field.

Danny Serafini
04-21-2005, 03:12 PM
Hey, a 1-2-3 inning. Those are nice.

flyer85
04-21-2005, 03:13 PM
Was I dreaming last night, or did FSN show a graphic that said the Reds were leading the league with 2 out hits and RISP? Is that posssible?The graphic said they were hitting .358

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 03:13 PM
Nah..... you're just being silly.

BTW the Pirates annoucers just said Lopez was an "Outstanding Fielder"As long as throwing is not part of fielding, I guess...

SteelSD
04-21-2005, 03:13 PM
Lord I wish this team could get a clutch hit (even though I know there is no such thing).

2005 RISP w/2 Out (Team)- .328 BA/.418 OBP/.483 SLG (.901 OPS)

You mean like that? :D

westofyou
04-21-2005, 03:14 PM
No, they said he was out standing in the field.

Semantics eh?

What no listening to Marty for you?

flynn78
04-21-2005, 03:14 PM
Pinch hit for Milton?

Reds Fanatic
04-21-2005, 03:14 PM
A 1-2-3 inning for Milton. Still 2-1 Pirates middle of the 4th

Blimpie
04-21-2005, 03:15 PM
No, they said he was out standing in the field.
What do you think they were implying--That he was an "outstanding citizen?" :confused:

OldCat
04-21-2005, 03:15 PM
2005 RISP w/2 Out (Team)- .328 BA/.418 OBP/.483 SLG (.901 OPS)

You mean like that? :D

But they should be hitting .728!