4/26 Game Thread Reds at Cubs

[redsfan30]

Alright so some fans may be classless, but their loyalty has to be one of the best in the majors.
Jason,

I don't want to turn this into a debate that doesn't belong in here, but I don't see how you can call a "fan" that turns on WGN, sees a game and decides to go yell for the Cubs on the road "loyal."

I have sat behind Cubs fans in Cincinnati who scream thier heads off when something good happens, curse the Cubs on a strikeout, then when Niefi Perez comes to the plate says "who is that?"

I don't call that loyal. I call that WGN trend following.

[KronoRed]

Will the Reds retaliate?

If so I hope we send Weathers in to do it :evil:

[d2pmr11]

Is Milton going to hit Hairston with the first pitch?

[Falls City Beer]

I'm sorry, this offense just wore fatty-pockets out. So he hits Kearns? Dude, you just got handled like a rosy-cheeked girl at a drive-in. That's sad.

[jason]

Kearns did a nice job of keeping himself calm.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn now has a 1.268 OPS. 1st in the majors!

[redsfan30]

Aurilia flys out to short right center to end the inning.

6-3 Reds

[flyer85]

"wrigley wind blow job" -Chris Welsh hehehe :ughmamoruno wonder they are always smiling in their seats

[KronoRed]

Is Milton going to hit Hairston with the first pitch?

If he does he'll get tossed

Hey..that's not a bad thing ;)

[wheels]

I'm sorry, this offense just wore fatty-pockets out. So he hits Kearns? Dude, you just got handled like a rosy-cheeked girl at a drive-in. That's sad.

:laugh:

[TeamBoone]

There are multiple fans doing that.

Last night there were many out near CF chanting: "Griffey sucks, Griffey sucks".

I heard one tonight, when he struck out his first time at bat, yell to him that his career was over.

I really, really don't even remotely like the Cubs or a whole lot of their fans.

"Friendly Confines".... yeah, right!

[flyer85]

Reds need to worry about winning the game. This is a big inning.

[redsfan30]

Leading off the bottom oof the fifth for the Cubs, Hairston singles to left.

[RFS62]

Idiot Cubs announcers saying Neifi's plunking could have been intentional. What a joke.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Enough with the leadoff hits Milton

[RFS62]

Milton sure leaves a lot of pitches up in the zone. Not to hard to see why he's such an extreme fly ball pitcher.

[Matt700wlw]

Idiot Cubs announcers saying Neifi's plunking could have been intentional. What a joke.

Tell those idiots if Zambrano was going to retaliate for that, he would have done it before he did

[RFS62]

bad fundamentals

[KronoRed]

Plunk someone and get tossed Eric

[flyer85]

This lead isn't going to last much longer.

[Walkerforpres]

Ugh. Milton.

[redsfan30]

Patterson grounds a single to right, Kearns' throw goes to third and Patterson went to second on the throw.

2nd and 3rd nobody out for the scary part of the order.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Second and third no outs, tying run to the plate. Unbelievable

This is what $25 million buys?

[RFS62]

bad fundamentals


Yikes!!!

That's like saying "Beetlejuice"

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

6-4 now.

[redsfan30]

Lee flys to center.

Runner tags and scores, other runner stays at second.

6-4 Reds.

[Playadlc]

What a terrible 0-2 pitch.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

It will be an absolute shame if Carlos Zambrano doesn't get tagged with this loss.

[redsfan30]

Ramierez ties the game.

[TeamBoone]

I'm sorry, this offense just wore fatty-pockets out. So he hits Kearns? Dude, you just got handled like a rosy-cheeked girl at a drive-in. That's sad.

And he also threw behind Adam in the at-bat previous to Austin's. At first they thought it wasn't intentional; now I'm not so sure.

[CincyRedsFan30]

We are tied! :rolleyes:

[Matt700wlw]

Eric Milton is really starting to piss me off...

[jhiller21]

Unreal

[RFS62]

*&^&**%(^&*&^(*^%^)^)

[OSURedLeg]

Milton is killing me. He's no better than Wilson.

[flyer85]

tie game ... courtesy of the gopher king

[KronoRed]

At least we get to see the cubs pen now

[fisch11]

Whadya know. Tie ball game.

[Elam]

:bang: :bang: :bash: :bash: :censored: :rant: :censored: :explode: :bang: :bang: :bang:

[flyer85]

Milton is killing me. He's no better than Wilson.did you expect that he was?

[jhiller21]

Nice catch Jr.

[Matt700wlw]

Wow! Junior!!!

[KronoRed]

Nice catch JR!! :clap:

[redsfan30]

Barrett flys out to a diving Junior and he looks like he survived it.

2 out.

[flyer85]

Burnitz may untie it

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Wilson and Milton are supposed to be our best starters? Wow, it's going to be a VERY long year

[Walkerforpres]

Griffey with a heck of a catch in CF after getting a bad start to that ball.

[WVSteveVT]

did you expect that he was?

I think reds fans have overestimated him by a lot.

[RFS62]

Man, Junior is trying to give me a heart attack

[Playadlc]

After what Zambrano did, how do we retailitate? Or do we at all?

[redsfan30]

Burnitz hits an infield single to third.

[jason]

Jason,

I don't want to turn this into a debate that doesn't belong in here, but I don't see how you can call a "fan" that turns on WGN, sees a game and decides to go yell for the Cubs on the road "loyal."

I have sat behind Cubs fans in Cincinnati who scream thier heads off when something good happens, curse the Cubs on a strikeout, then when Niefi Perez comes to the plate says "who is that?"

I don't call that loyal. I call that WGN trend following.

That is definetly not the definition of a loyal fan. What you described is a "fairweather fan", but I don't think you can put a majority of Cubs fans into that catagory. The Cubs usualy bring the most fans into GAB if i'm not mistaken'. Maybe the Cards bring as many.

[flyer85]

I'd get him now

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Whadya know. Tie ball game.

I know it's not a surprise.

[OSURedLeg]

did you expect that he was?

For 8 million a year, yeah pardon me for thinking he would be an improvement. But I'l be the first to admit I'm dead wrong. :bang:

[MasonBuzz3]

After what Zambrano did, how do we retailitate? Or do we at all?
i'd wait until tomorrow, unless we can get a reasonable lead tonight

[redsfan30]

Dubois homers

[CincyRedsFan30]

8-6 Cubs!!!

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Game over

Nice pitching Reds.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Brilliant front office we got, huh?

[Matt700wlw]

rip his contract up

[flyer85]

I think reds fans have overestimated him by a lot.Well I wasn't one of them. Here career stats are a below league average pitcher. He may give up 43 dingers by the break.

[redsfan30]

Game over :rolleyes:

[fisch11]

After what Zambrano did, how do we retailitate? Or do we at all?

Win.

[OSURedLeg]

I've never been more frustrated in watching a pitcher. How exactly did we get conned into thinking he could anchor our staff???????????

[WVSteveVT]

same ole reds pitching we've all grown to love. wind blowing out hasn't helped matters any.

[flyer85]

rip his contract upyou wish.

[RFS62]

These guys don't get that many fat pitches in batting practice

Please hit someone, Milton

[1stHOFintern]

mio dio

[Matt700wlw]

I gave Dan O the benefit of the doubt this season....now I guess I know better


Looks like my pessimism on Dan O and the Front Office wasn't so far off last season when everybody was getting on me...



...now, they can always feel free to show me why I was optimistic going into this season...that would be fine :D

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Bert Blyleven's record will be broken this year.

[Team Clark]

Yep...Just like Browning allright!!! Excellent comparison.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Milton has given up 10 HR already. The next closest in the NL has only given up 6. His numbers are Rockies-esque

[OnBaseMachine]

Milton-what a solid signing he was. Right-handed Jimmy :rolleyes: Haynes.

[Boss-Hog]

I'd be worried about Milton if I hadn't been assured by so many this past offseason that Milton was a "winner" and a "gamer". Despite the fact that he led the NL in home runs allowed last year, that apparently was irrelevant. Whew.

[jason]

For all the people that think the game is over go to bed. We'll enjoy this come from behind win without you.

[RFS62]

Milton is on pace to give up 80 home runs this year.

[flyer85]

I've never been more frustrated in watching a pitcher. How exactly did we get conned into thinking he could anchor our staff???????????Ignorantly believed the hype. Anybody who followed his career and saw his numbers knew exactly what we were getting.

[redsfan30]

Perez strikes out to end the inning.

8-6 Cubs.

[CincyRedsFan30]

8 runs in 5 IP for Milton...only 60 pitches though. ;)

[Stormy]

Milton is killing me. He's no better than Wilson.

Get used to it. DanO's inveterately inept legion of acquisitions/extensions are here to stay and perform in this manner for a long time, and any hopes of contention during their tenure are futile. What does one expect when you throw this much long-term money at extremely hittable, high WHIP/baserunner, HR prone duds... and the 6+ERA they (Wilson, Milton, Weber, Weathers et al...) have produced in April, is not far off from what you should expect. DanO is 0-for-Life and counting in acquisitions which have helped this club, and is batting nearly a perfect 1.000 in acquisitions/extensions which have crashed and burned.

This is exactly what we told people to expect out of Milton, and as his ERA creeps towards 7, and his HR allowed pace trends towards maing history... it's EXACTLY what we've gotten.

[WVSteveVT]

Milton is on pace to give up 80 home runs this year.

He wants to be the all star home run derby pitcher.

[fisch11]

Worst case scenario>>Miley to Baker..."Okay, let's play four innings, only bullpen pitchers, and we'll spot you 2 runs. Game on."

Let's hope the offense can keep us in this.

[flyer85]

Browning actually had an outstanding pitch ... the screwball. Milton combines his average fastball with a rolling curve and a changle with little decpetion or movement.

[OnBaseMachine]

Look on the bright side: He did a nice job of pitching to contact. ;)

[redsfan30]

Leading off the sixth for the Reds, Valentin grounds out to short.

1 out.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

For all the people that think the game is over go to bed. We'll enjoy this come from behind win without you.

Do I think they will win tonight? No. But I want to watch this, it's like slowing down on the highway to gawk at an accident.

[RedsMan3203]

8 runs in 5 IP for Milton...only 60 pitches though. ;)

3 days rest?

[redsfan4445]

I am glad we got Ortiz.. he has alot more zip on his fastbal.. Milton gives up 4 homers and acts like he doesnt care.. and you KNOW Miley left him in after it was tied because of the money.. ANY OTHER smart baseball manager. LOu, SParky yanks his buut after he lets it get tied!!!

[redsfan30]

Freel (pinch hitting for Milton) doubles to left.

[flyer85]

8 runs in 5 IP for Milton...only 60 pitches though. ;)Those first pitch homers keep the pitch count down.

[RedsMan3203]

Whatta yah know... Double for Freel... Hate for him to be on the bench al the time but thats how it works.

[fisch11]

Freel deserves to play everyday. One of few hitting consistently.

[Stormy]

Bert Blyleven's record will be broken this year.

It sounds like hyperbole, but MANY predicted that the day he signed... and it appears to be an accurate forecast. He's just been fortunate that his numbers haven't been worse, and when your alleged #1 SP posts an ERA near 7 for the month of April, and you realize it could have been worse, that's saying something.

[letsgojunior]

What did I just miss? At last glance the Reds were winning?

[Matt700wlw]

What did I just miss? At last glance the Reds were winning?


Milton

[Redmachine2003]

See stat guys you where wrong Milton won't give up 40 some homers like you said and he won't give up less than then 40 I like said he going to give up over 60. He throws way to many strikes with out any sink so guys just go up there ready to swing. They just look for their pitch and when they get it they know it will be over the plate.

[redsfan30]

Jiminez singles to right.

1st and 3rd for Junior.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Maybe we can rid some albatross contracts this July.

Casey (most likely)
Milton (anybody want him?)
Griffey (never)
Graves (may as well pay the 3 mil he'll have left and try to get some prospects from some sucker org that is as inept as we are)

[CincyRedsFan30]

Come on Junior!

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Maybe this is the at bat for Jr.

[jason]

Do I think they will win tonight? No. But I want to watch this, it's like slowing down on the highway to gawk at an accident.

lol, good comparison.

[Stormy]

I'd be worried about Milton if I hadn't been assured by so many this past offseason that Milton was a "winner" and a "gamer". Despite the fact that he led the NL in home runs allowed last year, that apparently was irrelevant. Whew.

This guy has "Won 15 games before", Ws and Ls is the vanguard of pitching evaluation, get with the program!! It was an Excellent signing!!!! ;)

[fisch11]

Where did DJ hit that? Close enough to be caught for Freel not to score?

[buckshotrod]

8 runs in 5 IP for Milton...only 60 pitches though. ;)

He is doing what Gullett and Miley want him to do.."Pitch to contact" :angry:

[CincyRedsFan30]

Griffey hits one... dropped.... 8-7 game!! LOL

[redsfan30]

Junior goes to first, Jiminez to second, Freel home on a dropped ball in left at the wall.

8-7 Cubs.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Marty not having a good night. He sounded like he thought that ball was gone. But the Cubs defense may be the Reds best friend

[RedsMan3203]

Can we get a lil wind please? JR should have 2 homers tonight.

[ws1990reds]

Is Milton the worst contract in Reds history? Right now he sure seems to be. Pathetic.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

No breaks ever for Jr.

[Matt700wlw]

This guy has "Won 15 games before", Ws and Ls is the vanguard of pitching evaluation, get with the program!! It was an Excellent signing!!!! ;)

Actually the guy has had a winning record pretty much everywhere he's been

....not sure if that's going to matter at this rate...

[fisch11]

Ruled that a sac fly, lol.

[timmario66]

Was Brant Brown playing left field tonight? :devil:

[CincyRedsFan30]

Casey GIDP. 8-7, Mid. 6th.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Casey :bang:

He is awful

[TeamBoone]

Where did DJ hit that? Close enough to be caught for Freel not to score?

Freel had to hold in case it was caught... but it wasn't.

[letsgojunior]

Can we get a lil wind please? JR should have 2 homers tonight.

Junior can't seem to get a Chris Welsh "wind blow job." Wow that sounds suggestive.

[flyer85]

DP machine ... inning over.

[redsfan30]

Casey hits into a 4-6-3 double play.

8-7 Reds.

Oh boys...here we go with the Casey DP comments.

[LoganBuck]

How many rallies has Casey killed with DP's this year?

[Aronchis]

Reds/Cubs always have a ton of runs.

[TeamBoone]

Ruled that a sac fly, lol.

Unbelievable. It was an error through and through.

I guess the scorekeeper is as much of a homer as the announcers.

[buckshotrod]

Casey GIDP. 8-7, Mid. 6th.

7 damn GIDP this year for the Case...... :help:

[fisch11]

If someone would track how many groudballs Sean hits to the second baseman, it would be mindboggling. Oh well, one back now!

[RedsMan3203]

Lets keep them in the park for a few more innings please.

[redsfan30]

Ruled that a sac fly, lol.
You've got to because there is no way Freel doesn't score on a ball to the wall. Sacrifice and an error is the correct scoring.

[RFS62]

Another pitchers duel

[wheels]

It sounds like hyperbole, but MANY predicted that the day he signed... and it appears to be an accurate forecast. He's just been fortunate that his numbers haven't been worse, and when your alleged #1 SP posts an ERA near 7 for the month of April, and you realize it could have been worse, that's saying something.

I was cussed at, and called a pessimist because I predicted this.

I really wish I was wrong, especially now.

It's not fun to watch a guy go out there and get his brains beat out every start.

His fastball has got to be the straightest I've seen in years.

I feel really bad for the guy. When he gives one up, he knows it, and just kinda hangs his head down and kicks dirt. It's got to be a horrible feeling.

[ws1990reds]

Casey :bang:

He is awful

More and more I'm pulling for Casey to be traded. Since the Reds seem hell bent on putting flyball hitters in the lineup, they might as well get a 1B that can keep the ball off the ground. ;)

[fisch11]

Good lord, just let Wagner pitch 3...at least 2.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

7 damn GIDP this year for the Case...... :help:

But he's the only one who continues to play and play and play and play...

Oh great...Weathers in

[fisch11]

You've got to because there is no way Freel doesn't score on a ball to the wall. Sacrifice and an error is the correct scoring.

Yeah, just odd sac fly.

[redsfan30]

Leading off the bottom of the sixth, Mocias (hitting for the pitcher) grounds out to second.

1 out.

[ws1990reds]

I was cussed at, and called a pessimist because I predicted this.

I really wish I was wrong, especially now.

It's not fun to watch a guy go out there and get his brains beat out every start.

His fastball has got to be the straightest I've seen in years.

I feel really bad for the guy. When he gives one up, he knows it, and just kinda hangs his head down and kicks dirt. It's got to be a horrible feeling.

And, I'm sure you will hear a lot of "you have been telling us this since the beginning of the season". :beerme:

[flyer85]

Unbelievable. It was an error through and through.

I guess the scorekeeper is as much of a homer as the announcers.It's an error AND A SAC FLY because the run would have scored even if he caught the ball.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

I got 25 million reasons not to feel bad for him.

[redsfan30]

Hairston grounds out to short.

2 out.

[flynn78]

Griff has the most warning track shots of anyone in the league, but I can't help but think he is turning the corner. Casey and Ernie Lombardi are kindred spirits this year as well. Case has turned into a DP machine. But I am remaining positive, although I think that a four run lead to a highly paid free agent starter should be enough. Wishful thinking?

[buckshotrod]

But he's the only one who continues to play and play and play and play...

When the Mayor comes around, someone will pay. :beerme:

[RFS62]

I can't remember many pitchers leaving more straight fastballs up in the zone than Milton tonight.

[Matt700wlw]

It's an error AND A SAC FLY because the run would have scored even if he caught the ball.


That is correct

[Stormy]

Actually the guy has had a winning record pretty much everywhere he's been

....not sure if that's going to matter at this rate...

It's NEVER mattered. He was always going to get hammered at this kind of clip, and anyone who looked at his peripheral barometers knew that the day we signed him. Wins be damned as a measure of a pitchers success, be it for one year or 4 -5 years... he's a guy who allows opponents to hit him at a high clip, and who allows them to hit him hard in the EBH/HR category. We could have saved ourselves, $25 million, a bunch of terrible IPs, and allocated some money and development time towards helping ourselves, if our inept GM, FO and scouting staff had looked beyond the "winner, savvy vet, innings eater cliches" and evaluated him properly. Ditto for Paul Wilson's absurdist extension.

[RedLegsToday]

although I think that a four run lead to a highly paid free agent starter should be enough

It would be, if that highly paid free agent starter was worth the pay.

[CincyRedsFan30]

Nice 1-2-3 inning from Weathers.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Marty is going gaga over the Chicago Bulls.

[flyer85]

Griff has the most warning track shots of anyone in the league, but I can't help but think he is turning the corner. Casey and Ernie Lombardi are kindred spirits this year as well. Case has turned into a DP machine. But I am remaining positive, although I think that a four run lead to a highly paid free agent starter should be enough. Wishful thinking?He is swinging better but the power is down. You have to remember Wrigley has the porches(368) in the power alleys.

[redsfan30]

Patterson grounds out to second.

Good inning by Weathers.

8-7 going to the 7th.

[LoganBuck]

When the Mayor comes around, someone will pay. :beerme:

Odds are it will be Uncle Carl.

[jhiller21]

Good inning for Weathers, he's looked less horrible these last few outings.

[flyer85]

although I think that a four run lead to a highly paid free agent starter should be enough

It would be, if that highly paid free agent starter was worth the pay.We overpaid by about $20M. When they use his contract as the reason they can't sign Dunn you are really going to love it.

[letsgojunior]

I can't remember many pitchers leaving more straight fastballs up in the zone than Milton tonight.

I haven't watched a single Milton start this year... is it mostly Milton making mistakes (sounds like it from the commentary tonight), or more along the lines of hitters hitting good pitches?

[toledodan]

weathers era is now lower than miltons! :yikes: i never thought that would be the case a month into the season.

[flyer85]

I haven't watched a single Milton start this year... is it mostly Milton making mistakes (sounds like it from the commentary tonight), or more along the lines of hitters hitting good pitches?He has crappy stuff and when he makes a mistake they nail it.

[redsfan30]

Leading off the 7th for the Reds, Randa singles to right.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Randa gets on with a leadoff hit

[CincyRedsFan30]

Randa singles.

[Gainesville Red]

Good inning for Weathers, he's looked less horrible these last few outings.

Same could be said for Aurillia of late, suprisingly.

[ukwazoo]

Milton is the biggest piece of crap we've signed in a long time. Someone said left-handed Jimmy Haynes. Precisely. 25 mil? Yikes.

[Aronchis]

It's NEVER mattered. He was aleays going to get hammered at this kind of clip, and anyone who looked at his peripheral barometers knew that the day we signed him. Wins be damned as a measure of a pitchers success, be it for one year or 4 -5 years... he's a guy who allows opponents to hit him at a high clip, and who allows them to hit him hard in the EBH/HR category. We could have saved ourselves, $25 million, a bunch of terrible IPs, and allocated some money and development time towards helping ourselves, if our inept GM, FO and scouting staff had looked beyond the "winner, savvy vet, innings eater cliches" and evaluated him properly. Ditto for Paul Wilson's absurdist extension.

Populism, sacred cow syndrome. If O'brien wanted to get rid of Wilson last July, he couldn't and I bet was pushed to sign Wilson because the "players" liked him. Ditto, the players helped bring in Milton and than used their pull with Lindner to seal the deal like with Larkin which the budget allowed.

[buckshotrod]

He is swinging better but the power is down. You have to remember Wrigley has the porches(368) in the power alleys.

As old as he is and as muc problem as he has had with his legs, he can't be as strong as he once was. Give me "Mo".

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

The Cubs bullpen negates Dave Miley

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Funny thing is that so many people (even Sean Casey and co.) were suckered into thinking our front-office cared just because they did something with the Milton signing.

But to the Reds faithful, that have been starving for something,
ANYTHING the past few off-season's, any spec of a crum would seem
like a Big Mac combo meal supersized with a Coke, and those are pretty
damn good sometimes. Forget the fact that your competitors are treated
to Wolfgang Puck's Smoked-Salmon Pizza at Spago.

[Stormy]

I was cussed at, and called a pessimist because I predicted this.

I really wish I was wrong, especially now.

It's not fun to watch a guy go out there and get his brains beat out every start.

His fastball has got to be the straightest I've seen in years.

I feel really bad for the guy. When he gives one up, he knows it, and just kinda hangs his head down and kicks dirt. It's got to be a horrible feeling.

I know you did, and it was so obviously the right call at the time. Some are in favor of change for the sake of change and spending money (burning it rather) for the sake of burning it... which makes all "name" acquisitions seem good. Change isn't progress. Anyone should have been able to see what signing Milton, extending Wilson would mean... now we get to reap what DanO sowed and with contracts that are going to be hard to move, and which might prohibit extending some young players who actually are our future. Milton will be like this all year with his 2 mediocre primary pitches... a few tightrope acts where he keeps teams off balance enough to get a 6-7IP 2-3ER type of win, followed by barrages of 5IP 6-7ER type outings.

[RFS62]

I haven't watched a single Milton start this year... is it mostly Milton making mistakes (sounds like it from the commentary tonight), or more along the lines of hitters hitting good pitches?

Mistakes. Floating meatballs right down main street with no movement.

[wheels]

It's NEVER mattered. He was aleays going to get hammered at this kind of clip, and anyone who looked at his peripheral barometers knew that the day we signed him. Wins be damned as a measure of a pitchers success, be it for one year or 4 -5 years... he's a guy who allows opponents to hit him at a high clip, and who allows them to hit him hard in the EBH/HR category. We could have saved ourselves, $25 million, a bunch of terrible IPs, and allocated some money and development time towards helping ourselves, if our inept GM, FO and scouting staff had looked beyond the "winner, savvy vet, innings eater cliches" and evaluated him properly. Ditto for Paul Wilson's absurdist extension.

Thank you very much.

This is what I've been feeling since the signings began last winter, and you've just summed it up in one paragraph.

What is it about Milton that makes him such a gas can?

Is it the straight fastball?

Does he fear the walk so much that he'll groove pitches early in the count?

Does his fastball lack the velocity to be located as high in the zone as it normally is?

Does he hang breaking pitches?

I don't know, but it sure looks like opposing hitters get him figured out very quickly.

[CincyRedsFan30]

Dunn walks, 1st and 2nd, 0 outs.

[redsfan30]

Dunn walks.

1st and 2nd nobody out.

[flyer85]

Don't help him out Austin

[flynn78]

I wouldn't go all Jimmy Haynes on Milton yet. Give him some time. We have a short sample we're basing our opinion on so far.

[ukwazoo]

Come on. 2-0. Groove one to Kearns.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn has reach base 7 consecutive plate appearances.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Prediction: Aurilia grand slam

I'm just calling it in the off chance that it happens, then I can be the first to say I called it

[RFS62]

What is it about Milton that makes him such a gas can?



Mistakes up in the zone, and right across the plate.

No movement.

[flyer85]

I wouldn't go all Jimmy Haynes on Milton yet. Give him some time. We have a short sample we're basing our opinion on so far.Let's put it this way ... Claussen has superior stuff to Milton

[BuckeyeRedleg]

You actually can win with Milton in your rotation. That is, if he's your number 3 or 4 guy.

But when a guy like Milton is your ace, you be in deep, deep doo-doo.

[buckshotrod]

Man he should have murdered that 1st strike

[CincyRedsFan30]

Kearns K's. 1 out.

[redsfan30]

Kearns strikes out swinging.

1 out.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

But when a guy like Milton is your ace, you be in deep, deep doo-doo.

I thought former Devil Ray Paul Wilson was our "ace"?

[wheels]

I wouldn't go all Jimmy Haynes on Milton yet. Give him some time. We have a short sample we're basing our opinion on so far.

No, no we don't.

We have an entire CAREER's worth of data.

He's given up more than thirty homers per year three times, including a leagu leading forty-three last year.

He's doing what he's always done.

[flyer85]

I love it when our guys are hacking at balls

[Redmachine2003]

That is my Kearns man on base and couldn't hit a beach ball.

[ukwazoo]

Making this guy look like Eckersley.

[flynn78]

What happened to Austin's professional at bats he used to have? His eye at the plate has gotten progressively worse.

[Aronchis]

Let's put it this way ... Claussen has superior stuff to Milton

Agree. If he could throw as hard as Milton, he would be a hoss.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

In the process of blowing a 2 on/no out scoring opportunity

[CincyRedsFan30]

Aurilia grounds out...1st and 3rd, 2 outs.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Oh yeah, "Ace". Opening day starter vs. 25 million dollar man.

Either way, we be in the doo-doo.

[redsfan30]

Aurilia grounds into a force at second.

1st and 3rd 2 out.

[wheels]

Let's put it this way ... Claussen has superior stuff to Milton

You know, if Milton had the moxie to work the corners, and the movement on his pitches that Claussen has, we'd be looking at the next John Smiley.

[fisch11]

Sorry too mention a taboo team's player, but dang! ARod goes deep 3 times, 4-5 with 10 rib eyes. Wow.

[CincyRedsFan30]

Passed ball... 2nd and 3rd, 2 outs.

[fisch11]

Back to Reds, can't afford to strand Randa with 2 on and no out right now.

[Walkerforpres]

Why not PH for Valentin here?
Oh yea...because Miley thinks he's an actual, like, hitter.

[CincyRedsFan30]

Valentin singles... 9-8 Reds!!!

(Valentin to 2B on an error by Patterson in CF)

[KronoRed]

You know, if Milton had the moxie to work the corners, and the movement on his pitches that Claussen has, we'd be looking at the next John Smiley.

The solution is clear..combine them :devil:

[ukwazoo]

Woohoo! Thanks, Corey Patterson.

[redsfan30]

Valentin singles to center, goes to second on a bobble.

9-8 Reds.

[Walkerforpres]

hehehe eating my words again. dang.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Valentin?!?!?!??? :eek:

What's got into him?

[Reds Fanatic]

Valentin with a base hit. Ball gets past the center fielder 9-8 Reds!!!

[WVSteveVT]

thank you passed ball and error. nice clutch hit as well.

[KronoRed]

Valentin for MVP! ;)

[jason]

watch this thread go from prozac poping to valium taking

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Well Valentin said on Real Reds,

"Chris, I gonna hah a goo, goo gay too-nye."

[fisch11]

hehehe eating my words again. dang.

Would have agreed with you at any given time, but thanks for setting that up!

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Carlos Zambrano can't lose it. Eric Milton can't lose it. Both of them deserve big, fat L's but both are off the hook

[toledodan]

Prediction: Aurilia grand slam

I'm just calling it in the off chance that it happens, then I can be the first to say I called it


is milton coming in to pitch to him? :D

[wheels]

This is some kinda ballgame.

[Stormy]

The Cubs BP + their typical Comedy of Errors, is a welcome sight... hopefully enough to overcome our own pitching follies this series.

[redsfan30]

Side note, Alex Rodriguez tonight:

3 homeruns
10 (ten) RBI

How we lookin?

[flyer85]

Agree. If he could throw as hard as Milton, he would be a hoss.He doea throw as hard as Milton. 89 was the fastest I saw from Milton tonight and Claussen was 86-89 on Sunday.

[letsgojunior]

Sorry too mention a taboo team's player, but dang! ARod goes deep 3 times, 4-5 with 10 rib eyes. Wow.

And he's on my fantasy team. :thumbup:

[buckshotrod]

hehehe eating my words again. dang.

Valentin had some big hits last year as I remember..Mr Clutch. :beerme:

[ukwazoo]

That's what the Cubs get for constantly wearing their spring training uniforms. ;)

[Matt700wlw]

This weather is effecting the pitching I believe...it's gotta be tough when your hands are cold

....I'll take the win any way I can

[WVSteveVT]

watch this thread go from prozac poping to valium taking

That's what Reds pitching will do to you. Lots of ups and downs.

[flyer85]

We need at least another 3 runs because the Cubs will be waiting for Mr Excitement

[BuckeyeRedleg]

These two teams will be fighting it out for 4th place in the Central this year.

[CincyRedsFan30]

Cruz...10-8!

[redsfan30]

Cruz knocks in Valentin with a solid single to right.

10-8 Reds.

[ukwazoo]

Crossing fingers that Graves has at least a 35-run lead when he comes in.

[Reds Fanatic]

10-8 Reds on a Cruz hit

[jhiller21]

Cruz! 10-8 Reds!

[fisch11]

For all the people that think the game is over go to bed. We'll enjoy this come from behind win without you.

Just wanted to quote this....awesome. Keep the faith brotha!

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Cruz delivers...This Cubs bullpen makes Danny Graves look like Cy Young material

[toledodan]

cruz singles 10-8 reds! bring in wagner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[flyer85]

This weather is effecting the pitching I believe...it's gotta be tough when your hands are cold

....I'll take the win any way I canChris Welsh was explaining tonight the cold weather effects the hitters a lotmore than the pitchers.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Forgive the hyperbole.

Forgive the spelling.

[KronoRed]

Cruz :clap:

[Aronchis]

He doea throw as hard as Milton. 89 was the fastest I saw from Milton tonight and Claussen was 86-89 on Sunday.

Milton touched 93 when I saw him pitch his 7I 1ER gem.

[RFS62]

Should we kick the extra point or go for two?

[wheels]

As an aside...

This has been a very enjoyable game thread this evening.

This is what it's all about, folks.

Steel....Stop lurking!

[Matt700wlw]

Chris Welsh was explaining tonight the cold weather effects the hitters a lotmore than the pitchers.

I'm trying to justify Milton's bad outing....stop :p:

[PuffyPig]

Making this guy look like Eckersley.

Well, maybe like the Eckersley from Game 2 of the 1990 WS.

Valentine=Oliver.

[Oxilon]

I'm cringing at the thought of bringing Danny Graves to close tonight.

[flynn78]

New RedsZone project: :claussen: + :milton:= FrankenMiltaussen

[Spring~Fields]

:)
Cruz! 10-8 Reds! :)

Exciting entertainment for a welcomed change.

[Reds/Flyers Fan]

Apparently Ramon Ortiz did pitch tonight in Sarasota, pitching 3 innings with 58 pitches. He could start Sunday in Milwaukee

[RedsMan3203]

Yet again... I can remember a few games like this last year..... Can we score 54 more runs so the lead is safe when graves comes in :-D

[FlyingPig]

Maybe Graves doesn't wanna pitch tonight..

:pray:

[redsfan30]

Jiminez lines out to second (almost got over his head).

After 6.5

10-8 Reds.

[wheels]

New RedsZone project: :claussen: + :milton:= FrankenMiltaussen


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[redsfan30]

Crazy game, sports fans!

[Raisor]

Wow, Cubs announcers discussing sabermetrics.

If Raisor wasn't busy watching the Gilmore Girls, he'd probably be getting all misty eyed.


I completely forgot Gilmore Girls was on. I suck.

Fun game though.

[letsgojunior]

As an aside...

This has been a very enjoyable game thread this evening.

This is what it's all about, folks.

Steel....Stop lurking!


I agree. Good to see all of the threadies reunited, and good to see you around wheels.

I'm thinking Graves needs a 50 run lead rather than a 35 run lead though.

[ukwazoo]

Lee and Ramirez leading off.

[KronoRed]

Shoulda gone for 2! then can win it with a field goal

[wheels]

I don't even wanna think about Graves right now.

Wags is gonna mow 'em down right here.