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RBA
05-01-2005, 11:05 PM
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=634679
Revelation! 666 is not the number of the beast (it's a devilish 616)

By Tom Anderson


01 May 2005

A newly discovered fragment of the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament indicates that, as far as the Antichrist goes, theologians, scholars, heavy metal groups, and television evangelists have got the wrong number. Instead of 666, it's actually the far less ominous 616.

The new fragment from the Book of Revelation, written in ancient Greek and dating from the late third century, is part of a hoard of previously unintelligible manuscripts discovered in historic dumps outside Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. Now a team of expert classicists, using new photographic techniques, are finally deciphering the original writing.

Professor David Parker, Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism and Paleography at the University of Birmingham, thinks that 616, although less memorable than 666, is the original. He said: "This is an example of gematria, where numbers are based on the numerical values of letters in people's names. Early Christians would use numbers to hide the identity of people who they were attacking: 616 refers to the Emperor Caligula."

The Book of Revelation is traditionally considered to be written by John, a disciple of Jesus; it identifies 666 as the mark of the Antichrist. In America, the fundamentalist Christian right often use the number in sermons about the coming Apocalypse.

They and satanists responded coolly to the new "Revelation". Peter Gilmore, High Priest of the Church of Satan, based in New York, said: "By using 666 we're using something that the Christians fear. Mind you, if they do switch to 616 being the number of the beast then we'll start using that."

Chip R
05-02-2005, 12:06 AM
Thank goodness! Now I know I'm not the Antichrist (Born 6-6-63) :eek:

RedFanAlways1966
05-02-2005, 07:59 AM
Thank goodness! Now I know I'm not the Antichrist (Born 6-6-63) :eek:

Woah, me either... regardless of what my parents say! (born 2-16-66) :thumbup:

registerthis
05-02-2005, 11:30 AM
Peter Gilmore, High Priest of the Church of Satan, based in New York, said: "By using 666 we're using something that the Christians fear. Mind you, if they do switch to 616 being the number of the beast then we'll start using that."
That's funny. What if Christians start using the number 4?

Or perhaps 238.716?

zombie-a-go-go
05-02-2005, 11:33 AM
Revelation!

What I thought was a cold sore was actually just a pimple.

Whew.

TeamCasey
05-02-2005, 12:24 PM
Revelation!

What I thought was a cold sore was actually just a pimple.

Whew.

Suuuuuuure!

Redsland
05-02-2005, 12:45 PM
616, eh?

Well then the Antichrist's phone number could be in a few places in Michigan, like Kalamazoo, or Grand Rapids.

Obviously Armageddon will take place in Battle Creek.

traderumor
05-02-2005, 01:39 PM
Now there's some hard evidence for ya. Not exactly legitimate textual criticism contained in this blurb.

hen we'll start using that."[/QUOTE]

TRF
05-02-2005, 02:44 PM
i thought the Anti-Christ's number was 867-5309

... no, that was Jenny's number.

nevermind.

ws1990reds
05-02-2005, 07:03 PM
Well, apparently some kids in our neighborhood believe that my address is "666 ..." and not "6666 ...". No point in putting another 6 up there, the turds will just rip it down. I hate that when I am giving someone my address there is this pause with an air of "Oh my God, do you know that you are eternally doomed? This line is closed, please jump over to that one." :thumbdown

GAC
05-02-2005, 08:35 PM
Take this with a grain of salt. There are always manuscripts being found in the later centuries that have proven to be fabrications or duplications, and after further examination they are discredited. There were alot of sects in the first several centuries (Gnostics for example). This one supposedly comes from the 3rd century. Notice this professor thinks that 616, although less memorable than 666, is the original. It's not conclusive.

gonelong
05-03-2005, 12:07 AM
Notice this professor thinks that 616, although less memorable than 666, is the original. It's not conclusive.

I know for a fact that they were reading the manuscripts upside down. Its really 999. ;)

GL

RedFanAlways1966
05-03-2005, 07:56 AM
Just heard a rumor...

80's hair-band and followers of God, Stryper, are making a comeback. Their new stage backdrop will no longer be a 777, but rather a 717.

727, 737 and 747 seemed to be taken already and "fly-by-night" sort of numbers.

GAC
05-03-2005, 08:20 AM
I know for a fact that they were reading the manuscripts upside down. Its really 999. ;)

GL

Yeah, then he says "Looks Greek to me!" :mooner:

Johnny Footstool
05-03-2005, 09:48 AM
80's hair-band and followers of God, Stryper, are making a comeback. Their new stage backdrop will no longer be a 777, but rather a 717.

If "616" causes Stryper to make a comeback, then it truly is the number of the beast.

Jaycint
05-03-2005, 10:28 AM
If "616" causes Stryper to make a comeback, then it truly is the number of the beast.

Now there is something that I think everybody on the non-baseball side can agree on. :thumbup:

registerthis
05-03-2005, 11:33 AM
Now there is something that I think everybody on the non-baseball side can agree on. :thumbup:
We need a Stryper reunion like we need a RATT reunion.

Jaycint
05-03-2005, 11:38 AM
We need a Stryper reunion like we need a RATT reunion.

Haha, agreed. Didn't one of the RATT guys die of AIDS a year or two ago?

registerthis
05-03-2005, 11:44 AM
Haha, agreed. Didn't one of the RATT guys die of AIDS a year or two ago?
He did indeed:

RATT guy dies (http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1455086/06102002/ratt.jhtml)

Also, whatever happened to L.A. Gunns? I think they need to reunite.

Johnny Footstool
05-03-2005, 02:17 PM
From www.cinderella.net


CINDERELLA has announced their 2005 summer tour.

Cinderella will headline the ROCK NEVER STOPS TOUR, sponsored by VH1, and will have RATT, QUIET RIOT & FIREHOUSE supporting.

Dates will begin in late May and run through August, and will be in amphitheaters, festivals, fairs and theaters. Actual routing is being worked on and will be announced in that not too distant future.

registerthis
05-03-2005, 02:31 PM
From www.cinderella.net
What, no Mr. Big?

zombie-a-go-go
05-03-2005, 02:39 PM
What, no Mr. Big?

What about Dokken? Man, Dokken rocks!!!!

RedFanAlways1966
05-03-2005, 03:25 PM
Mr. Big... their claim to fame: we have the fastest guitar player alive, Paul Gilbert.

Dokken... one of my all-time favs! Good stuff. George Lynch. Heaven Sent this band to us.

smallbattle
05-04-2005, 01:32 AM
I'd like to revisit the Michigan approach. Does Hell, Michigan fall into this area code?

M2
05-04-2005, 01:40 AM
Has Iron Maiden been informed of this? I'd think they hold veto power over any sort of change.

Johnny Footstool
05-04-2005, 10:31 AM
Has Iron Maiden been informed of this? I'd think they hold veto power over any sort of change.

You're right. Any changes would have to be approved by Maiden, Slayer, and a plurality of those bands Ravenlord listens to.