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CTA513
05-04-2005, 07:00 PM
Reds
Ryan Freel, CF
Felipe Lopez, 2B
Sean Casey, 1B
Austin Kearns, RF
Adam Dunn, LF
Joe Randa, 3B
Rich Aurilia, SS
Jason LaRue, C
Brandon Claussen, P

Cardinals
David Eckstein, SS
So Taguchi, CF
Albert Pujols, 1B
Scott Rolen, 3B
Reggie Sanders, LF
Mark Grudzielanek, 2B
Roger Cedeno, RF
Yadier Molina, C
Mark Mulder, P

Golgafrinchan
05-04-2005, 07:01 PM
At this point, I should probably stop getting upset everytime I see that Lopez isn't in the lineup.

redsfan30
05-04-2005, 07:03 PM
Unless I'm making things up, Lopez is in there tonight.

Puffy
05-04-2005, 07:04 PM
Ugh - I have no problem with Junior resting, but why do it when WMP is not available to start? Junior should be starting today, then give him off Friday so he still gets back to back days off, but hopefully by Friday WMP is available to play.

KronoRed
05-04-2005, 07:04 PM
I see Lopez

I see him in a spot he doesn't need to be in, I see Dunn batting 2 spots too low.

CTA513
05-04-2005, 07:04 PM
At this point, I should probably stop getting upset everytime I see that Lopez isn't in the lineup.

According to sportsline hes playing 2B tonight.

Golgafrinchan
05-04-2005, 07:06 PM
Geez. My mistake guys, sorry. I somehow missed Lopez at 2B but then saw Aurilia at SS.

Ignore the drunk guy in the corner. That's me. ;)

LincolnparkRed
05-04-2005, 07:07 PM
has anyone seen lopez play 2B before?? I haven't and on my way out of work I am too lazy to try and look it up

Golgafrinchan
05-04-2005, 07:09 PM
has anyone seen lopez play 2B before?? I haven't and on my way out of work I am too lazy to try and look it up
He played 3 games at 2B in 2003 and 2 in 2004. He has 2 errors in those 5 games.

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2005, 07:10 PM
What does Dunn have to do to bat higher than 5th?

Mop Miley's kitchen floor, wash his truck, and paint his house?

KronoRed
05-04-2005, 07:12 PM
Dunn should be 3rd and even 2nd.

Lopez has also been in twice this year at 2nd..no errors so far this year ;)

prhof14
05-04-2005, 07:15 PM
Is this game going to be blacked out on ESPN for us here in Cincy?

CTA513
05-04-2005, 07:16 PM
Is this game going to be blacked out on ESPN for us here in Cincy?

I hope not, but Im thinking it will be.

if so.... :bang:

Gainesville Red
05-04-2005, 07:18 PM
I guess it just makes to much sense to sit D'lo for Freel, Junior could probably use a night off, so maybe it just makes to much sense to let Wily Mo man center. My mom's always telling me that I'm lazy for always taking the easy way out, maybe the Reds are just trying to take my mom's advice. Do things the hard way. Personally, I just think they're crazy. Oh well, they're still the Reds, even if I don't think they're the right Reds. Gotta get em tonight, can't get swept twice in a row.

redsfan30
05-04-2005, 07:21 PM
We will get the game on ESPN tonight. It will not be blacked out.

Fox Sports Ohio does not have rights to this game, therefore ESPN can carry it in the Reds market.

Don't fret.

Buckeye33
05-04-2005, 07:22 PM
I hope not, but Im thinking it will be.

if so.... :bang:

I'm also curious if it will be blacked out here in Columbus. I know the cable menu is saying Columbus will get the Tigers/Red Sox game.

Hopefully they'll surprise me and show it, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

As far as the lineup goes, I also believe Griffey should be in there if WMP can't start. Griffey is on a 9 game hitting streak (as overrated as hitting streaks can be) and should start over Lopez or Aurillia with Freel/Lopez starting that position.

I will say that I am glad Randa is now in the spot he should occupy the rest of the year, the 6 hole.

:beerme: Here's to a Reds win!

reds44
05-04-2005, 07:27 PM
I'm also curious if it will be blacked out here in Columbus. I know the cable menu is saying Columbus will get the Tigers/Red Sox game.

Hopefully they'll surprise me and show it, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

As far as the lineup goes, I also believe Griffey should be in there if WMP can't start. Griffey is on a 9 game hitting streak (as overrated as hitting streaks can be) and should start over Lopez or Aurillia with Freel/Lopez starting that position.

I will say that I am glad Randa is now in the spot he should occupy the rest of the year, the 6 hole.

:beerme: Here's to a Reds win!

If you have the dish it will be on channel 210.

redsfan30
05-04-2005, 07:27 PM
Here are some career numbers against Mark Mulder:

Wily Mo: 1.167 OPS in 6 AB
Freel: .829 OPS in 5 AB
Junior: 1.000 OPS in 5 AB

Not too many ABs accumulated against Mulder, but Wily Mo and Junior have both had some amount of success against him.

CTA513
05-04-2005, 07:27 PM
We will get the game on ESPN tonight. It will not be blacked out.

Fox Sports Ohio does not have rights to this game, therefore ESPN can carry it in the Reds market.

Don't fret.

The Redsox site also show them being one ESPN, but they are also on NESN so I guess we will probably get the spot.

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 07:29 PM
Ugh - I have no problem with Junior resting, but why do it when WMP is not available to start?

Quad stiffness

redsfan30
05-04-2005, 07:31 PM
The Redsox site also show them being one ESPN, but they are also on NESN so I guess we will probably get the spot.
The Sox game is the game more of the national audience gets tonight.

ESPN usually has some "backup" games to broadcast and tonight ours is one of them. People in the Sox market will probably get our game. We will too because FSN Ohio doesn't have rights to it.

Buckeye33
05-04-2005, 07:31 PM
If you have the dish it will be on channel 210.

:( I don't have a dish. There's just not enough good things about the dish over my digital cable to make the switch. And with me planning on getting HD very soon, the dish makes even less sense.

Oh well, I'll hope that I get the game on ESPN.

redsfan30
05-04-2005, 07:38 PM
Career numbers for tonight's starters against Mark Mulder:


Ryan Freel: .829 OPS in 6 AB
Felipe Lopez: 0.000 OPS in 2 AB
Sean Casey: 1.667 OPS in 9 AB
Austin Kearns: 1.667 OPS in 3 AB
Adam Dunn: .733 OPS in 5 AB
Joe Randa: .946 OPS in 31 AB
Rich Aurilia: .348 OPS in 19 AB
Jason LaRue: 0.000 OPS in 2 AB

KronoRed
05-04-2005, 07:39 PM
Thanks for the stats redsfan :)

redsfan30
05-04-2005, 07:46 PM
Thanks for the stats redsfan :)
No problem!

I've really gained an appriciation for the OBP and OPS numbers from you guys here at RZ.

Virginia Beach Reds
05-04-2005, 07:50 PM
We beat up on Mulder last time....before he got really hot.

It might be another short night for the home team tonight with the bats.

Danny Serafini
05-04-2005, 08:04 PM
We will get the game on ESPN tonight. It will not be blacked out.

Fox Sports Ohio does not have rights to this game, therefore ESPN can carry it in the Reds market.

Don't fret.

Must be nice. Typically that would work for me in Toledo, but FSN Detroit doesn't have the rights to the Tigers/Red Sox game either, and since we're closer to Detroit we're getting the Tigers.

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 08:08 PM
Getting Redlegs on DTV 210 :thumbup:


Getting Red Sox vs Tigers on regular ESPN

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:09 PM
C'mon Claussen. How about a gem tonight?

KittyDuran
05-04-2005, 08:10 PM
Getting the game on TimeWarner here in Hamiltucky!!! :beerme:

Aronchis
05-04-2005, 08:10 PM
C'mon Claussen. How about a gem tonight?

The word "gems" and Reds pitching rarely occurs.

redsfanmia
05-04-2005, 08:11 PM
Elizabeth im coming to see you!!! Im having the big one!!!!!! The Reds are on ESPN!!!! Are the Yankees and Red Sox both off today?

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:11 PM
So far so good. One out

reds44
05-04-2005, 08:11 PM
Eck pops out, good start for Brandon.

Buckeye33
05-04-2005, 08:11 PM
Welp, Time Warner came through for us here in Columbus. The game is on!

WOO!! Now I can really enjoy my night off.

redsfan30
05-04-2005, 08:11 PM
Claussen did a nice job getting in hard on Eckstein to get him to pop out.

1 out.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:12 PM
Line drive caught by Randa. 2 out

redsfan30
05-04-2005, 08:12 PM
Here comes God.....

Two out though.

redsfan30
05-04-2005, 08:14 PM
Pujols hit what looked to be a change slightly middle in.

Lopez did a nice job getting to that ball but wasn't able to make the throw in time. His momentum was taking him too far away from his throw.

reds44
05-04-2005, 08:16 PM
Nice inning for Claussen

redsfan30
05-04-2005, 08:16 PM
Rolen grounds into a FC to short on a fastball at the knees.

Decent start for Claussen.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:17 PM
Much better start for Claussen than Friday in Milwaukee, when it was already 3-0 Brewers by this time

Aronchis
05-04-2005, 08:17 PM
Claussen did a good job of changing speeds and keeping hitters off balance that inning.

redsfan30
05-04-2005, 08:21 PM
Mulder's fastball was only around the 88 or 89 range in the at bat to Freel.

redsfan30
05-04-2005, 08:21 PM
He grounded out to short by the way.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:22 PM
Lopez with an infield hit off of Pujols' face. Poor Albert

redsfan30
05-04-2005, 08:22 PM
Lopez stings one that Pujols can only knock into foul ground.

1 on, 1 out for Casey.

reds44
05-04-2005, 08:22 PM
Felipe!

Mr. Redlegs
05-04-2005, 08:26 PM
:thumbup: Good work Felipe!

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:27 PM
Marty: "This ballclub just compounds their problems."

Bad teams do bad things.

reds44
05-04-2005, 08:27 PM
Nice inning

CTA513
05-04-2005, 08:28 PM
Lopez was picked off, but at least he gave an effort by running back and forth instead of just waiting to be tagged.

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 08:30 PM
Lopez was picked off, but at least he gave an effort by running back and forth instead of just waiting to be tagged.

You know this team is really in a skid when we have to go that far to find something good :laugh:

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:30 PM
Felipe Lopez would get a lot more playing time if it wasn't for his repeated mental mistakes.

reds44
05-04-2005, 08:31 PM
So far so good for Claussen.

Falls City Beer
05-04-2005, 08:31 PM
Good to see Felipe continues to look like a 20 year old in every facet of his game besides his offense.

WVRedsFan
05-04-2005, 08:32 PM
Once again, we seem to bail out a pitcher. Moeller is working hard, having thrown 17 pitchers to three hitters and we end Felipe to certain doom (or did Lopez go on his own knowing the ground ball was eminent?). Anyway, the next pitch Casey strikes out and the inning is over after 18 pitches that could have been 25.

It's the little things that drive me crazy.

WVSteveVT
05-04-2005, 08:32 PM
Breaking news: Dan O'brien has not ruled anything out! Stay tuned.

reds44
05-04-2005, 08:33 PM
Once again, we seem to bail out a pitcher. Moeller is working hard, having thrown 17 pitchers to three hitters and we end Felipe to certain doom (or did Lopez go on his own knowing the ground ball was eminent?). Anyway, the next pitch Casey strikes out and the inning is over after 18 pitches that could have been 25.

It's the little things that drive me crazy.


Moller? Did you mean Mulder?

reds44
05-04-2005, 08:33 PM
Wow Lopez with an excellent play!


Felipe!

flyer85
05-04-2005, 08:33 PM
nice play by Felo

WVRedsFan
05-04-2005, 08:34 PM
Moller? Did you mean Mulder?

Yes. Just read TC's post in the other forum on the Moeller high school grads in the clubhouse and typed it instead of Mulder. Me senile? Never.

reds44
05-04-2005, 08:35 PM
single by Molina, Grudz scores, Molina to 2nd on the throw.

flyer85
05-04-2005, 08:35 PM
1-34 ... stupid to pitch to Molina

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:36 PM
John Fay said the team's "monthly meeting" lasted for about 2 hours this afternoon. Said he wouldn't be surprised if a roster move was made before Friday's game...most likely in the bullpen.

Marty said it's almost like they have to do something, particularly for the fans.

Fay agreed, saying that this hasn't been a great two days for the fans, with the losses and Danny Graves' comments.

Marty said that it is still early, but in this division, that isn't necessarily the case for the Reds.

Fay said you can attach some siginificance to Felipe Lopez being at second tonight. (an indictment against Jimenez) Fay said when you struggle for 26 games it's probably more than just a slump.

Marty then got on Claussen for making a mistake giving a .173-hitting eight hitter a pitch to hit with a weak-hitting pitcher on deck with 2 outs.

Fay said that Stone and Booker are candidates to be called up very soon.

reds44
05-04-2005, 08:37 PM
Why pitch to Molina when you have the pitcher on deck? Bad managerial move in my opinon.

Mulder flies out

1-0 Cards Mid 2nd

Aronchis
05-04-2005, 08:37 PM
Claussen with a ugly inning. Badly located pitches. Molina(shiver).

flyer85
05-04-2005, 08:38 PM
Fay said that Stone and Booker are candidates to be called up very soon.ah ... the saviors. :rolleyes:

Falls City Beer
05-04-2005, 08:39 PM
John Fay said the team's "monthly meeting" lasted for about 2 hours this afternoon. Said he wouldn't be surprised if a roster move was made before Friday's game...most likely in the bullpen.

Marty said it's almost like they have to do something, particularly for the fans.

Fay agreed, saying that this hasn't been a great two days for the fans, with the losses and Danny Graves' comments.

Marty said that it is still early, but in this division, that isn't necessarily the case for the Reds.

Fay said you can attach some siginificance to Felipe Lopez being at second tonight. (an indictment against Jimenez) Fay said when you struggle for 26 games it's probably more than just a slump.

Marty then got on Claussen for making a mistake giving a .173-hitting eight hitter a pitch to hit with a weak-hitting pitcher on deck with 2 outs.

Fay said that Stone and Booker are candidates to be called up very soon.

Thanks for the recap. I guarantee Stone would be better than Valentine, Weathers or Weber. Trouble is, he's one pitcher. They've got to replace three.

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2005, 08:40 PM
Chris Booker seems to be a slightly older version of Joe Valentine. Fastballs in the mid 90's and very wild.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:42 PM
C'mon Kearns...the Yankees scouts are watching

LincolnparkRed
05-04-2005, 08:43 PM
Kearns K's

Fay said when you struggle for 26 games it's probably more than just a slump. Other than Jimenez, that could apply to Griffey, Kearns, and Jimenez

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 08:45 PM
Kearns K's

Fay said when you struggle for 26 games it's probably more than just a slump. Other than Jimenez, that could apply to Griffey, Kearns, and Jimenez

Griffey was on a streak until last night (I believe)....the other 2 haven't seen a streak all season

Griffey's batting .250 (not great by any means), Kearns is about .219 and Jiminez is under .200

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:45 PM
Randa singles. RA up

Falls City Beer
05-04-2005, 08:46 PM
Kearns K's

Fay said when you struggle for 26 games it's probably more than just a slump. Other than Jimenez, that could apply to Griffey, Kearns, and Jimenez

Kearns has been slow coming around, but he's seeing a bunch of pitches and sparking some nice hits off tough pitchers: Mulder, Prior (both HRS). He'll break out soon enough. Jimenez has done nothing, nothing at all.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:47 PM
The Dodgers send Penney and Lowe back-to-back Friday and Saturday. Ouch

The_jbh
05-04-2005, 08:48 PM
i'd like to see Booker up. He has real good stuff. Does remind me a little bit of Valentine he's got 14 Ks and 8 walks but one thing that REALLY sticks out to me is his opposing hitters batting average. .154 WOW

CTA513
05-04-2005, 08:49 PM
There should be a poll for how many times ESPN will cut away from the game to show commercials... so far its been 2 times.

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2005, 08:49 PM
Aurilia popped out on a 2-0 count. New rule: If you can't hit, you don't swing at 2-0 pitches.

Falls City Beer
05-04-2005, 08:50 PM
i'd like to see Booker up. He has real good stuff. Does remind me a little bit of Valentine he's got 14 Ks and 8 walks but one thing that REALLY sticks out to me is his opposing hitters batting average. .154 WOW

True. Valentine's nothing if not easy as cheesecake to hit. He throws hard but misses no bats.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:51 PM
Claussen needs to hold them right here.

The_jbh
05-04-2005, 08:51 PM
Then again i just looked and Stone's is .194 which isn't too shabby either. Either guy would be an improvement over Weber and Valentine

reds44
05-04-2005, 08:52 PM
Griffey was on a streak until last night (I believe)....the other 2 haven't seen a streak all season

Griffey's batting .250 (not great by any means), Kearns is about .219 and Jiminez is under .200

Griddey's still on a streak, I think he went 1-2 last night.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:53 PM
Then again i just looked and Stone's is .194 which isn't too shabby either. Either guy would be an improvement over Weber and Valentine

I don't mind Weber. But Valentine has no place on this team. I would hope there are better options in Louisville

flyer85
05-04-2005, 08:53 PM
seem to be zeroing in n Claussen

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:54 PM
Tampa Bay leading the Yankees again.

Aronchis
05-04-2005, 08:55 PM
seem to be zeroing in n Claussen

yeah, Looks like they have him all figured out

Claussen very very lucky this inning. Pujols almost took him to centerfield.

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 08:55 PM
Griddey's still on a streak, I think he went 1-2 last night.

He may have....couldn't recall off the top of my head

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 08:56 PM
Tampa Bay leading the Yankees again.

I get no more greater pleasure than seeing the Yankees suck! :D

flyer85
05-04-2005, 08:56 PM
Pujols just missed that one

reds44
05-04-2005, 08:57 PM
Tampa Bay leading the Yankees again.

WOW THE YANKEES SUCK! They actually suck, not like good suck but bad suck!

They should fir Torrie and we should hire him!

*dreams*

flyer85
05-04-2005, 08:59 PM
Rolen didn't miss that one

reds44
05-04-2005, 08:59 PM
That was looooong gone

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 08:59 PM
Oh well. The way the Reds are playing that'll probably do it

Aronchis
05-04-2005, 09:00 PM
Claussen with some ugly pitching, he must change speeds to beat hitter.

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 09:00 PM
While management is contemplating roster moves....Claussen can be put on the list of possibilities too

Aronchis
05-04-2005, 09:01 PM
While management is contemplating roster moves....Claussen can be put on the list of possibilities too

He is out of options.

flyer85
05-04-2005, 09:01 PM
Claussen with some ugly pitching, he must change speeds to beat hitter.he just ain't got much ... breaking ball has no snap, changeup has no tumble and little deception and his fastball tops out at 88

KronoRed
05-04-2005, 09:05 PM
He is out of options.

I doubt any team claims him right now.

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 09:05 PM
He is out of options.

It's always something... ;)

reds44
05-04-2005, 09:06 PM
I doubt any team claims him right now.

Think about what hand he throws with, someone would claim him.

Aronchis
05-04-2005, 09:08 PM
Being a left handed pitcher has a tendency to attract people, even if your not what you built your reputation up on.

flyer85
05-04-2005, 09:09 PM
I don't see them trying to pass him thru waivers

flyer85
05-04-2005, 09:10 PM
this is rather ho hum

CTA513
05-04-2005, 09:14 PM
3rd time ESPN has cut away from the game to show commercials. :/

reds44
05-04-2005, 09:17 PM
Man not good, not good at all!

flyer85
05-04-2005, 09:17 PM
Claussen is pretty much toast at this point

Aronchis
05-04-2005, 09:17 PM
Claussen look like Kent Merker, who would also get slammed if he pitched more than 2 innings.

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2005, 09:18 PM
They are doing a fine job of pitching to contact. :)

flyer85
05-04-2005, 09:18 PM
could be 7 or 8 down by the time this inning is over

KronoRed
05-04-2005, 09:19 PM
Belise up in the pen..this could get worse

reds44
05-04-2005, 09:19 PM
I honestly think we need to fire Gullet, and maybe Miley, but Gullet for sure.

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 09:19 PM
This team isn't even going to give the fans a reason to hope this year, are they?

WVSteveVT
05-04-2005, 09:20 PM
I honestly think we need to fire Gullet, and maybe Miley, but Gullet for sure.

can't really argue with that. There comes a time where you just say "let's try something different."

flyer85
05-04-2005, 09:21 PM
I may have under estimated this inning

flyer85
05-04-2005, 09:21 PM
can't really argue with that. There comes a time where you just say "let's try something different."some different players might help but I doubt if we see that

Buckeye33
05-04-2005, 09:22 PM
Simply pathetic really. Makes it hard to think of anything positive that may happen this season.

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2005, 09:22 PM
Roger Cedeno, Yadier Molina, Mulder, and So Taguchi all have a hit in this inning. These guys aren't exactly world-beaters.

reds44
05-04-2005, 09:22 PM
We need to get rid of one of the OF's for pitching help.

KronoRed
05-04-2005, 09:22 PM
What different players? the guys in AAA aren't any better, we're loaded down with junk pitchers.

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2005, 09:24 PM
Albert Pujols has hit safely in 66 of his 76 career games vs the Reds.

flyer85
05-04-2005, 09:24 PM
whatever Claussen used to have is long gone.

Aronchis
05-04-2005, 09:25 PM
Gotta remember, Claussen used to throw 92-94mph and threw a nasty slider, which he rarely uses anymore due to TJ which has taken away his abilities. With a general loss of 5mp on the fastball and rarely using the slider, his future in this league is as a Kent Merker lefty reliever type. If I was the Reds, I would move him into that role pronto, bringing up another starting pitcher, sending Valentine down and cutting Weber.

CTA513
05-04-2005, 09:26 PM
Belisle did a good job not allowing any runs. He looks better as a reliever than a starter.

Gainesville Red
05-04-2005, 09:27 PM
Man, this sucks, I wish I had something more profound to say, but I can't find anything, this just sucks.

schroomytunes
05-04-2005, 09:30 PM
boy! what the hell do we do! This is downright embarrassing to watch. every night this is happening.

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 09:31 PM
boy! what the hell do we do! This is downright embarrassing to watch. every night this is happening.

Stop watching.


But I couldn't do it either :p:

Ravenlord
05-04-2005, 09:33 PM
wonder how long it'll be before ESPN comes back to Cincinnati...what with Griffey and Pena being on the bench on a nationally televised game....

reds44
05-04-2005, 09:34 PM
wonder how long it'll be before ESPN comes back to Cincinnati...what with Griffey and Pena being on the bench on a nationally televised game....

Well ESPN comes to Cincy on Sunday, that answers your question.

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2005, 09:34 PM
wonder how long it'll be before ESPN comes back to Cincinnati...what with Griffey and Pena being on the bench on a nationally televised game....

Sunday night. :p:

Ravenlord
05-04-2005, 09:35 PM
i mean after the short term obligations are over. according to my guide, i should actually be watching the Tigers right now, but have been given the Reds. i imagine next time in that situation i'll be seeing the Tigers.:(

flyer85
05-04-2005, 09:35 PM
Belisle did a good job not allowing any runs. He looks better as a reliever than a starter.still leaves too many pitches in the middle of the plate(one to Rolen and Sanders)

The_jbh
05-04-2005, 09:38 PM
Ha i will be at the Sunday night game


BTW this is the 2nd time i'll be going to a game this week. Apparently i enjoy self torture. :help:

flyer85
05-04-2005, 09:42 PM
this is embarrassing

flyer85
05-04-2005, 09:43 PM
even the ESPN guys seem bored

KronoRed
05-04-2005, 09:44 PM
Just 2 grand slams and we're back in this

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 09:44 PM
Here's a rough stat....this team wasn't 6 games under .500 until August last season

GOOCH
05-04-2005, 09:44 PM
Does Freel normally play Center? D.GOOCH (when Griffey sits, that is...)

baboone
05-04-2005, 09:46 PM
Yankees down 8-2, and Sean Henn got roughed up, but he showed pretty good velocity, throwing around 93-94. Henn looks like a taller version of Claussen before his surgery. Once Henn blows out his arm, the Yankees will shop him around.

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 09:47 PM
Yankees down 6-2, but Sean Henn showed pretty velocity, throwing around 93-94. Henn looks like a taller version of Claussen before his surgery. Once Henn blows out his arm, the Yankees will shop him around.

And the idiots running this operation will probably bite for Adam Dunn or something....:help:

reds44
05-04-2005, 09:49 PM
Arizona Cardinal 7 Bengals 0

O wait

CTA513
05-04-2005, 09:49 PM
1-2-3 inning for Belisle.

Tony Cloninger
05-04-2005, 09:49 PM
The Yankees of 2005 are looking like the Reds of 1977......Dynasty is over....but people just do not realize it yet.

BIF diffrence though is that GS will spend and do whatever it takes....although sometimes with him doing it.....it never seems to work out.

I wonder who will be the Steve Kemp of 2006 FA signings ....i already know who the Ed Whitson FA signing of 2005 was....Jared Wright.

WVSteveVT
05-04-2005, 09:51 PM
The Yankees of 2005 are looking like the Reds of 1977......Dynasty is over....but people just do not realize it yet.

BIF diffrence though is that GS will spend and do whatever it takes....although sometimes with him doing it.....it never seems to work out.

I wonder who will be the Steve Kemp of 2006 FA signings ....i already know who the Ed Whitson FA signing of 2005 was....Jared Wright.

With Jeter and ARod, that's a pretty impressive foundation to rebuild on though.

Spring~Fields
05-04-2005, 09:53 PM
Does Freel normally play Center? D.GOOCH (when Griffey sits, that is...)

Gooch it varies, sometimes Freel, sometimes Pena.........

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 09:57 PM
I smell a firesale by the allstar break...

KronoRed
05-04-2005, 09:58 PM
I'd like to see Graves..non save situation, he could get some outs and make up for blaming the fans

flyer85
05-04-2005, 09:59 PM
Reds must be saving it for the bottom of the 9th again

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 09:59 PM
I'd like to see Graves..non save situation, he could get some outs and make up for blaming the fans

He'll go 1-2-3 when there's no pressure....

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 10:07 PM
Really, how could any team be worse than this. No pitching. No hitting. No baserunning. No defense. I defy anyone to find a worse team than this.

Golgafrinchan
05-04-2005, 10:07 PM
I think Sean Casey is turning into Hal Morris before our very eyes.

Golgafrinchan
05-04-2005, 10:08 PM
Really, how could any team be worse than this. No pitching. No hitting. No baserunning. No defense. I defy anyone to find a worse team than this.
That's not true. So far the Reds have been an above-average hitting team. No doubt about it.

TOBTTReds
05-04-2005, 10:08 PM
What do you think Kearns looks at when batting?? He is starting to watch more strike 3's than jimenez

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 10:10 PM
Even WLW is a joke. They just ran a commercial to buy tickets for $4 to watch the Reds "beat up Albert Pujols, Jim Edmonds and the St. Louis Cardinals" on Tuesday, May 3. :bang:

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 10:13 PM
Even WLW is a joke. They just ran a commercial to buy tickets for $4 to watch the Reds "beat up Albert Pujols, Jim Edmonds and the St. Louis Cardinals" on Tuesday, May 3. :bang:

....those have been written for a while..calm down :)

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 10:15 PM
....those have been written for a while..calm down :)

Still, today is Wednesday, May 4. I know trying to sell commercials during Reds games might be a little tough nowadays, but this is ridiculous.

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 10:15 PM
Still, today is Wednesday, May 4. I know trying to sell commercials during Reds games might be a little tough nowadays, but this is ridiculous.

Sorry. Can't do anything about it - they should update automatically (assuming everybody has done their job :) )

flyer85
05-04-2005, 10:17 PM
kevin Jarvis ... I thought he was dead.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 10:19 PM
Sorry. Can't do anything about it - they should update automatically (assuming everybody has done their job :) )

I'm not talking about the "beat up on the Cardinals line," I'm wondering why they're trying to sell tickets for yesterday's game.

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 10:19 PM
I'm not talking about the "beat up on the Cardinals line," I'm wondering why they're trying to sell tickets for yesterday's game.

Maybe somebody else didn't do their job :D

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 10:20 PM
Graves warming up...I wonder what sort of ovation he'll get...

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 10:20 PM
kevin Jarvis ... I thought he was dead.

Which would make him a perfect candidate for the Reds bullpen :help:

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 10:25 PM
Graves coming in during broadcast break....and getting seriously BOOOOOOOed off the air!!

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 10:26 PM
I don't care. I would love to see Graves get shelled here

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 10:28 PM
Graves making his 13th appearance on the season and only ONCE has be retired the side in order - on Opening Day.

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 10:30 PM
Wow...No pressure and he retires the side 1-2-3!


shocker

Spring~Fields
05-04-2005, 10:30 PM
Tough game, man these hurt.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 10:32 PM
Honestly, how much longer until the Reds get no-hit?

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 10:35 PM
Whoopee! How about actually scoring some runs BEFORE the ninth inning?

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 10:36 PM
A couple more of these and we got a game!!!! :roll:

Caveat Emperor
05-04-2005, 10:36 PM
Well, I was hoping the Reds would give me a present for finishing my 2nd year of law school today...oh well....

Mama said there'd be long multi-game stretches like this...

Playadlc
05-04-2005, 10:36 PM
Lopez has GOT to play everyday.

Playadlc
05-04-2005, 10:39 PM
Austin Kearns is just horrible right now.

Mr. Redlegs
05-04-2005, 10:41 PM
wow, into the camera deck. What a bomb!

Golgafrinchan
05-04-2005, 10:41 PM
That one was really, really crushed.

Golgafrinchan
05-04-2005, 10:42 PM
Well, I hope this is enough to get Lopez a few starts at Aurilia's expense.

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 10:43 PM
That ball was hit a ton!

Enjoy it, because his contract is up after this year....I'd walk if I were him

Golgafrinchan
05-04-2005, 10:44 PM
Announcers said Dunn's HR went 474 feet.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 10:44 PM
Dunn's HR was 474 feet - the fifth longest HR in ballpark history. Doesn't mean much in a loss however.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 10:46 PM
Well, I hope this is enough to get Lopez a few starts at Aurilia's expense.

I've been a defender of Aurilia, but I tend to agree with you now. He's not done much to help this team win. I think the best lineup may actually be Lopez at short and Freel at second. And if not what difference does it make? This season is looking more and more like a lost cause.

schroomytunes
05-04-2005, 10:49 PM
agreed. Lopez and Freel must play everyday. The Aurilia experiment is over, also Kearns better start hitting or I'm starting Cruz over him. When does Wily come back?

Betterread
05-04-2005, 10:50 PM
Thank you Felipe and Adam for salvaging a small measure of respect from the debacle of the last three days.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-04-2005, 10:51 PM
agreed. Lopez and Freel must play everyday. The Aurilia experiment is over, also Kearns better start hitting or I'm starting Cruz over him. When does Wily come back?

Maybe not Cruz but DEFINITELY Wily Mo Pena. Why this team has lost 7 in a row without one of its 3 best hitters in the lineup is amazing. And a sad commentary on the managing of one Dave Miley.

MartyFan
05-04-2005, 10:54 PM
That ball was hit a ton!

Enjoy it, because his contract is up after this year....I'd walk if I were him

Okay...I agree...with that mindset should we go ahead and trade Dunn to another team...maybe the Oakland trade that was mentioned here before? Or is there another team that would want him more and be willing to give us more?

At this point I don't think the Reds have one single shot at signing Dunn to a LTC..JimmyB should have gotten that one done and it should have been priority one with DanO.

Okay...lets talk...I am ready to blow this season up and focus on building depth.

Of course, do you think that perhaps that has been the teams plan all along?

Would you really be surprised to see Casey, Dlo, Wilson, Milton, Jr and Dunn traded this season?

Hmmm...the plot...oh wait, there is no plot...sorry!

Matt700wlw
05-04-2005, 10:57 PM
Okay...I agree...with that mindset should we go ahead and trade Dunn to another team...maybe the Oakland trade that was mentioned here before? Or is there another team that would want him more and be willing to give us more?

At this point I don't think the Reds have one single shot at signing Dunn to a LTC..JimmyB should have gotten that one done and it should have been priority one with DanO.

Okay...lets talk...I am ready to blow this season up and focus on building depth.

Of course, do you think that perhaps that has been the teams plan all along?

Would you really be surprised to see Casey, Dlo, Wilson, Milton, Jr and Dunn traded this season?

Hmmm...the plot...oh wait, there is no plot...sorry!

I want Dunn to stay...he's a cornerstone (or should be)...but Mr. Efficient Dan O'Brien doesn't discuss LTC's during the season, and should have gotten it taken care of THIS offseason.

If that's true, and you're Adam Dunn.....wouldn't you walk? I think Dan O has said Dunn is not tradable

DanO is going to screw this up

MartyFan
05-04-2005, 11:02 PM
I want Dunn to stay...he's a cornerstone (or should be)...but Mr. Efficient Dan O'Brien doesn't discuss LTC's during the season, and should have gotten it taken care of THIS offseason.

If that's true, and you're Adam Dunn.....wouldn't you walk? I think Dan O has said Dunn is not tradable

Matt:

I am right there with you...I don't want to see him anywhere other than Cincy but IF I were Dunn, I would go somewhere where they have more pieces together to win some games and the ownership (although I like Mr. Lindner) has a more immediate plan.

If things don't turn around quick I am pretty well convinced we are going to see Dunn, Casey, DLO, Jr., Wilson and Milton going elsewhere via trades...so that we can have something in the next couple of years.