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medford
05-06-2005, 06:17 PM
Hey I've never started one of these, but heard the reds lineup on the drive home...

RF Freel
2B Lopez
1B Casey
CF Griff
LF Dunn
3B Randa
SS Aurilla
C Larue (I think, but I wasn't really paying attention to this spot)
P Wilson

Interesting, first time we've seen them go with the 3 straight lefties this year. At least I believe its the first time. Griff dropped to 4th. Not perfect in my mind, but not bad either. Insert Kearns/Pena in right, Freel at second & Lopez at SS and stick with for the next month. Aurilla has shown little, & FeLo has shown that he at least deserves a long look. Interesting that they're keeping him at 2nd again, while Bergolla keeps getting more time at SS in Louisville. May be a peek into the future.

Ravenlord
05-06-2005, 06:19 PM
he's getting better with the line up, but still has it set up to make success dificult.

i think it's quite obvious now that the Reds reward age and not ability or skill.

KronoRed
05-06-2005, 06:21 PM
So, in order to get Lopez in the lineup (good) we have Kearns on the bench (bad) and we still have Aurilia at SS (very bad)

Come on Dave..put Aurilia on the bench.

Golgafrinchan
05-06-2005, 06:26 PM
i think it's quite obvious now that the Reds reward age and not ability or skill.
Well, age... or high salary.

And I think it's a big mistake to keep both Kearns and Pena on the bench unless both of them are hurt. They're both young guys, they both need to develop. What's the point in putting them both on the bench?

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 06:26 PM
So, in order to get Lopez in the lineup (good) we have Kearns on the bench (bad) and we still have Aurilia at SS (very bad)

Come on Dave..put Aurilia on the bench.

What has Kearns done to deserve to be in the lineup? If Wily Mo were healthy, he'd be in there

Golgafrinchan
05-06-2005, 06:27 PM
What has Kearns done to deserve to be in the lineup? If Wily Mo were healthy, he'd be in there
Kearns might be a member of the next good Reds team.

Rich Aurilia won't.

KronoRed
05-06-2005, 06:29 PM
What has Kearns done to deserve to be in the lineup? If Wily Mo were healthy, he'd be in there

Well he's not, and Kearns won't get better on the bench.

medford
05-06-2005, 06:29 PM
Personally I think they rely to much on what a players done in the past, rather then trying to see what they might be able to do in the future.

Perfect example is Aurilla. You know he'll be fairly reliable. He won't commit erros, he's got a little bit of pop & he'll give you a "professional" at bat every trip to the plate. Of course you also know that in the end, he's gonna hit ya .240 with 10 homers, 40-50 rbi, clog up the bases & show very little range getting to the ball.

Meanwhile, FeLo throws a ton of balls away, and doesn't always give you a "professional" at bat. However, he's got much more range, a stronger arm, better speed & probably just as much pop, if not more, in his bat. I believe the only way to see if you can get him to develop a consistant approach both in the field and at the plate is to allow him to play as much as possible. He showed great promise at the end of last year when Larkin went down. In his short time this year, I think he's shown the same promise, yet the same inconsisnant play. Hopefully the lineups of the last 2 games reflect the reds willingness to ride out FeLo and to determine what they've got. If nothing else, Bergolla is gonna start pushing one of the middle infielders if he continues to develop at the progress he shown the last 2 season in the minors. He & EE could form a pretty solid left half of the infield. Of course this assumes that Bergolla has a decent enough arm at short. The knock is that his arm is weak, but they're playing him more at SS in AAA. Can one develop a stronger arm? I don't know, but I do like what I see at the plate (or in the box scores anyways). Seems that he could be molded into a 2 hold hitter with Freel or FeLo leading off.

Puffy
05-06-2005, 06:30 PM
Substitute Kearns for Aurilia (Felo to SS, Freel to second, Austin to RF) and I'd be a happy camper.

I loathe the Aurilia signing.

Ravenlord
05-06-2005, 06:31 PM
Kearns might be a member of the next good Reds team.

Rich Aurilia won't..

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2005, 06:32 PM
What has Kearns done to deserve to be in the lineup? If Wily Mo were healthy, he'd be in there

What has Aurilia did to deserve starting? ;)

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 06:33 PM
Well he's not, and Kearns won't get better on the bench.

Somehow get rid of Junior or Casey (not that I want to) and the problem is solved :D

flyer85
05-06-2005, 06:33 PM
good to know they've figured it out. Just need to play more small ball. :rolleyes:

Ravenlord
05-06-2005, 06:34 PM
2B Freel
SS Lopez
LF Dunn
CF Pena
RF Kearns
1B Casey
3B Randa
C LaRue

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 06:34 PM
2B Freel
SS Lopez
LF Dunn
CF Pena
RF Kearns
1B Casey
3B Randa
C LaRue

Is this an updated lineup or the lineup you want?

Buckeye33
05-06-2005, 06:37 PM
Is this an updated lineup or the lineup you want?

The one he wants. There is no way in heck Miley would put Casey in the 6 hole, let alone Dunn in the 3.

Falls City Beer
05-06-2005, 06:41 PM
Anyone want to predict by how many runs the Reds will lose tonight?

I'll say 5--somewhere between a titanic struggle and a good old-fashioned butt-whippin.

Ravenlord
05-06-2005, 06:47 PM
Is this an updated lineup or the lineup you want?you really think Miley would put Casey 6th?

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 06:47 PM
Anyone want to predict by how many runs the Reds will lose tonight?



I'd feel pretty safe saying the Reds won't lose any runs :p:

westofyou
05-06-2005, 06:56 PM
What's red, black and white and has nine heads and is ugly?

TC81190
05-06-2005, 06:57 PM
I'd feel pretty safe saying the Reds won't lose any runs :p:

The Reds can find a way. Trust me.

Golgafrinchan
05-06-2005, 06:59 PM
Oh, I'm tickled.

It looks like I'm getting the LA feed on MLB.tv.

Vin Scully >> George Grande

Edit: Nevermind. I guess Scully only does the games at Chavez Revine now. Instead, I get Charley Steiner and Steve Lyons. Oh well.

Gainesville Red
05-06-2005, 07:04 PM
I can't believe that Pena isn't in the line up. If he's still hurt than DL him, if he's not then he's gotta play. Gotta get em tonight, 8 in a row's tough to swallow, let's start a new streak tonight.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:07 PM
The Reds have to win tonight. It is an absolutely perfect night weather-wise here in Cincinnati. Take 2 of 3 from the Dodgers and 2 of 3 from the Padres and maybe we can start THINKING about MAYBE getting back to .500 sometime this month.

Beat LA

KronoRed
05-06-2005, 07:14 PM
..and we're off

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:14 PM
Here we go. 2-0 LA on a HBP and a HR. And Paul Wilson is the staff "ace"?

Golgafrinchan
05-06-2005, 07:14 PM
It sucks to see the Reds falling behind so early, but at the same time I'll be very happy if Choi has a good yeaer this year.

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 07:15 PM
I'm speechless....unbelievable

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:15 PM
Marty is fuming already. He said it's going to be a long, long year unless Paul Wilson and Eric Milton get it into gear.

Wouldn't it be nice if we actually had a stopper on this starting staff. Someone who could end losing streaks by throwing 7-8 innings of shutout ball?

KronoRed
05-06-2005, 07:16 PM
Marty needs to realize they ARE in gear...this is the real Wilson and Milton.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:18 PM
Marty: "And Paul Wilson is really throwing nothing up there right now."

Really?

HBP
HR
single
HR

:laugh:

flyer85
05-06-2005, 07:18 PM
We need ricky

TeamCasey
05-06-2005, 07:19 PM
I came indoors for this?

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 07:19 PM
Kent HR...
Oh boy!

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 07:19 PM
It's hard not to laugh at this disaster

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 07:19 PM
I came indoors for this?

Go back outside....it's safer

Golgafrinchan
05-06-2005, 07:20 PM
We need ricky
Branch?
Henderson?

RedlegNation
05-06-2005, 07:20 PM
Five batters, and he hasn't even gotten close to getting anyone out.

Sheesh.

WVSteveVT
05-06-2005, 07:20 PM
86, 87mph??? sounds like DL time for Wilson

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:20 PM
Go back outside....it's safer

Not if you're anywhere southeast of GABP...with the way Dodger HRs are flying out of the yard

ws1990reds
05-06-2005, 07:20 PM
This is the worst pitching staff that I've ever seen for the Reds. Flat-out terrible. When your ace is Paul Wilson and he's throwing fastball after fastball in the first inning, well.... :thumbdown

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 07:21 PM
Not if you're anywhere southeast of GABP...with the way Dodger HRs are flying out of the yard

Wear a helmet :D

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:22 PM
This is absolutely unbelievable...another hit batter!

ws1990reds
05-06-2005, 07:22 PM
This is painful to watch. Eight games in a row. :thumbdown

RedlegNation
05-06-2005, 07:22 PM
Another hit batter. Wilson is worse than I have ever seen him.

RedlegNation
05-06-2005, 07:22 PM
Bring in Danny Graves!

Petitt33
05-06-2005, 07:23 PM
6-0 after a triple by Ledee

2001MUgrad
05-06-2005, 07:23 PM
God this is freakin awful. Thanks god the busch race starts here in about an hour or so. I figure by then the first inning will be over.

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 07:23 PM
Has anyone visited the mound yet?
Something's gotta be terribly wrong with PW...

Golgafrinchan
05-06-2005, 07:23 PM
Out of curiosity... did anyone on this message board think it was a good idea to re-sign Wilson for 2 years, $8MM?

RedlegNation
05-06-2005, 07:23 PM
Well, at least if they keep playing like this, no one will be there tomorrow. I won't have to worry about anyone blocking my view.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:23 PM
This team is a joke...7-0 and no outs in the first...and here come the boos!

The Dodgers are a triple away from hitting for the cycle.

HBP
HR
single
HR
walk
HBP
double
double

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 07:24 PM
Has anyone visited the mound yet?
Something's gotta be terribly wrong with PW...

Gullett...but usually doesn't solve anything :bang:

frankton
05-06-2005, 07:24 PM
How long to get him out? What's Miley waiting on. 7-0 with 0 outs!

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 07:24 PM
Another 2b?

ws1990reds
05-06-2005, 07:24 PM
Time to fire Dave Miley? The team has "loser" written all over it. Miley, quit blinking and wake up. I'm about to vomit.

Petitt33
05-06-2005, 07:25 PM
7-0 now. And 0 outs.

My sign to turn to the TV off.

flyer85
05-06-2005, 07:25 PM
Marty got on Dave during the pregame about only change. This team needs 8 or 9 new pitchers and Ricky Stone wasn't one of the ones they needed.

TeamCasey
05-06-2005, 07:25 PM
Game over in the 1st. Incredible.

WVSteveVT
05-06-2005, 07:25 PM
Time to fire Dave Miley? The team has "loser" written all over it. Miley, quit blinking and wake up. I'm about to vomit.

I would agree with that, but it won't change anything.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:25 PM
These games just keep getting uglier. I bet ESPN is thrilled they have the Reds on Sunday night.

ws1990reds
05-06-2005, 07:26 PM
Bring in Danny Graves!

Oh my god. So, I wasn't the only one laughing at the thought of it. :laugh:

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 07:26 PM
So... Belisle in!

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:27 PM
An out! It took the pitcher batting in the first to finally record an out

Petitt33
05-06-2005, 07:27 PM
WHOOOO! 1 out

flyer85
05-06-2005, 07:27 PM
This is the worst pitching staff that I've ever seen for the Reds. Flat-out terrible. When your ace is Paul Wilson and he's throwing fastball after fastball in the first inning, well.... :thumbdownThe stats from last season should have told you that.

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 07:27 PM
Hey... an out!

WVSteveVT
05-06-2005, 07:27 PM
No way I bunt the pitcher there, nothing to lose, chances are he would have hit a double.

RedsMan3203
05-06-2005, 07:28 PM
I think something is wrong with Wilson... Something is hurting him.

cincyinco
05-06-2005, 07:28 PM
I am sorry to be so negative, but this has to be the worst reds team I have seen in all my years. Something needs to be done. Miley, show some passion, get up and yell at someone. So damned non chalant it kills me. Ugh, I dont know how much longer I can support this team. Pathetic.

ws1990reds
05-06-2005, 07:28 PM
I would agree with that, but it won't change anything.

I understand what you're saying. It won't improve the lack of talent on this club. What it would do, though, is get someone in there that will hold players accountable for that crap-play. Not something that I've ever seen Dave Miley do. It almost seems that Miley knows he isn't around next year. :thumbdown

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 07:28 PM
I think something is wrong with Wilson... Something is hurting him.
Yeah... the opposing team!

baboone
05-06-2005, 07:29 PM
It's good to see Jimmy Haynes on the mound again.

ws1990reds
05-06-2005, 07:29 PM
I think something is wrong with Wilson... Something is hurting him.

The way the team is playing? :evil:

Aronchis
05-06-2005, 07:29 PM
Wilson looks like he needs the DL. I think he is hiding a injury.

Spring~Fields
05-06-2005, 07:29 PM
LA Dodgers 1st Inning Summary so far.

- C. Izturis hit by pitch
- H. Choi homered to deep right, C. Izturis scored
- J.D. Drew singled to center
- J. Kent homered to deep left, J.D. Drew scored
- M. Bradley walked
- O. Saenz hit by pitch, M. Bradley to second
- R. Ledee doubled to deep center, M. Bradley and O. Saenz scored, R. Ledee to third advancing on throw
- J. Phillips doubled to deep right, R. Ledee scored
- M. Belisle relieved P. Wilson

1 out

LA Dodgers 7, Cincinnati 0

Gainesville Red
05-06-2005, 07:29 PM
So it's 7 runs per out, and 3 outs per inning, and 9 innings, what's that Dodgers win 189-0? This is tough to watch.

flyer85
05-06-2005, 07:29 PM
I think something is wrong with Wilson... Something is hurting him.his 88 mph fastball ... down the middle

Boss-Hog
05-06-2005, 07:30 PM
Out of curiosity... did anyone on this message board think it was a good idea to re-sign Wilson for 2 years, $8MM? Unfortunately, yes.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31429

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 07:30 PM
Don Gullett needs to go.....


...seriously

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:30 PM
I am sorry to be so negative, but this has to be the worst reds team I have seen in all my years. Something needs to be done. Miley, show some passion, get up and yell at someone. So damned non chalant it kills me. Ugh, I dont know how much longer I can support this team. Pathetic.

Well it's easily the worst pitching staff that this club has ever assembled.

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 07:30 PM
Unfortunately, yes.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31429

Can I delete my posts in there? :D

WVRedsFan
05-06-2005, 07:31 PM
I haven't read the game thread (from the top) yet, but I keep hearing the same thing over and over in my head...

"It is the top priority of the Reds this winter to sign Paul Wilson."

Sometimes you just have to shake your head. Nothing against Paul Wilson, but making him a top priority really baffles me.

But not the Dodgers it seems.

cincyinco
05-06-2005, 07:32 PM
Well it's easily the worst pitching staff that this club has ever assembled.

I dont know if I agree with that.. 2000 anyone? Lance Davis, Acevedo? But still, this is damn close. And I had such hope at the beginning of the year..

Swept by the brew crew, swept by the cards, swept by the dodgers?

Are we the royals of the NL?

2001MUgrad
05-06-2005, 07:32 PM
Don Gullett needs to go.....


...seriously

Everyone Needs to go! From the owner on down!! Just start over from nothing, couldn't be any worse.

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 07:33 PM
Everyone Needs to go! From the owner on down!! Just start over from nothing, couldn't be any worse.

That would work too...

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 07:33 PM
Whatever happenned to Lance Davis?

RedsMan3203
05-06-2005, 07:34 PM
Bring back Davey!

flyer85
05-06-2005, 07:34 PM
Unfortunately, yes.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31429


Originally Posted by SteelSD
Dan O'Brien just signed a player who isn't as good as he thinks for a lot more money than he's worth.


We have a winner.(my contribution to the original thread. I agreed with Steel.

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 07:35 PM
Looks like the Reds had a real productive off day

cincyinco
05-06-2005, 07:35 PM
Bring back Davey!

Agreed, i'd be on the phone with DJ at this moment. ANd I like miley too.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:35 PM
Here we go again. Bases loaded

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 07:36 PM
Oh brother!
4 balls up and away

bucknutdet
05-06-2005, 07:36 PM
They play (pitch anyway) like they're little leaguers.

flyer85
05-06-2005, 07:37 PM
we need to bring in another AAA pitcher

cincyinco
05-06-2005, 07:37 PM
10 zip..
and there's that triple

mother ****er!

sorry to use the language, but i think that sums it up nicely.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:37 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

10-0 in the first

Dodgers have hit for the cycle in the first

Jeff Kent has 5 RBI

Two different pitchers have imploded for the Reds

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 07:37 PM
I'm not sure what to do...

RedsMan3203
05-06-2005, 07:37 PM
Okay -- What can I watch on TV?

ws1990reds
05-06-2005, 07:38 PM
I feel like the organization would be better off if it replaced every person who isn't a player, before it does anything with the players. With how poorly this team is playing, it seems to me that they can't all be that bad. Let's see what they can do with new leadership.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:38 PM
Is this the most ever runs scored by an opponent in an inning against the Reds?

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 07:38 PM
OK... an error there is just too much

bucknutdet
05-06-2005, 07:39 PM
Hoooolly cow. 14 batters, 10 runs.

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 07:39 PM
Is this what you'd call a knockout?

CTA513
05-06-2005, 07:40 PM
If Ricky Stone made it to the game today, then he will probably be getting some work in today.

:/

Petitt33
05-06-2005, 07:40 PM
Okay -- What can I watch on TV?
Washington-Chicago comes on ESPN at 8.

Spring~Fields
05-06-2005, 07:40 PM
LA Dodgers 1st Inning Summary - The Nightmare Has Ended

- C. Izturis hit by pitch
- H. Choi homered to deep right, C. Izturis scored
- J.D. Drew singled to center
- J. Kent homered to deep left, J.D. Drew scored
- M. Bradley walked
- O. Saenz hit by pitch, M. Bradley to second
- R. Ledee doubled to deep center, M. Bradley and O. Saenz scored, R. Ledee to third advancing on throw
- J. Phillips doubled to deep right, R. Ledee scored
- M. Belisle relieved P. Wilson
- B. Penny sacrificed to first, J. Phillips to third
- C. Izturis grounded out to second
- H. Choi walked
- J.D. Drew walked, H. Choi to second
- J. Kent doubled to deep center, J. Phillips, H. Choi and J.D. Drew scored, J. Kent to third on center fielder K. Griffey Jr.'s fielding error

LA Dodgers 10, Cincinnati 0

Last guy out turn out the lights.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:40 PM
Well, we have 9 innings to get 2 grand slams and a 2-run HR to tie this bad boy. That is assuming, of course, that the Reds bullpen pitches 8 scoreless innings.

If the Reds go down 1-2-3 this inning I'm going to puke

RedsMan3203
05-06-2005, 07:41 PM
Washington-Chicago comes on ESPN at 8.


Thanks, I'd like to see Washington win.

WVSteveVT
05-06-2005, 07:41 PM
alright, lets shoot for 11 runs here

cincyinco
05-06-2005, 07:41 PM
i can't even put into words how i feel right now.. i am almost ashamed to wear my reds hat..

flyer85
05-06-2005, 07:41 PM
give me a break Chris ... this game is O-V-E-R

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 07:42 PM
We need a touchdown!!! Come on!!! :dancingco

cumberlandreds
05-06-2005, 07:42 PM
15 runs Over/Under that the Reds give up tonight?

flyer85
05-06-2005, 07:43 PM
i can't even put into words how i feel right now.. i am almost ashamed to wear my reds hat..I will just enjoy the watching the young guys play until DanO trades them away.

Spring~Fields
05-06-2005, 07:43 PM
We need a touchdown!!! Come on!!!


:laugh: :laugh: Two touchdowns to be safe with the Reds pitching. :eek:

cincyinco
05-06-2005, 07:43 PM
This season started off with so much promise too, holding our own against the clemens/oswalts/pedros/glavines of the world..

what the hell has happened?

Aronchis
05-06-2005, 07:43 PM
This game was over once Wilson started throwing almost all fastball pitches. He barely tried to change speeds and only threw a couple breaking pitches. Wonder if his arm is feeling discomfort?

RedsMan3203
05-06-2005, 07:43 PM
Oh yeah.... Bring em back out... Time to get some Fantasy Points.

RedlegNation
05-06-2005, 07:43 PM
Prediction: Reds are going to come back to win this game.

Optimism never hurt anyone. Even unrealistic optimism.

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 07:44 PM
I'll take the over on that one, cumberland...

CTA513
05-06-2005, 07:44 PM
I wonder how happy the Reds fans in the diamond seats are. ;)

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:44 PM
This team is just brutal to its fans. Dan O'Brien was on Lance's show yesterday saying its going to be a great weekend of baseball at the ballpark and then this? Honestly, how could this team be any harder on its fans? Last place...8-game losing streak...blow 6-run leads in the ninth...give up 10 runs in the first inning at home...get swept by the Brewers...Danny Graves criticizes what fans do go to the game

Terrible

cumberlandreds
05-06-2005, 07:44 PM
Washington-Chicago comes on ESPN at 8.

Yep looks like I'll be switching over to that game very soon.
What an embarasament this team is becoming. :(

flyer85
05-06-2005, 07:44 PM
Don Gullett needs to go.....


...seriouslyMake sure he takes 8 pitchers with him

fisch11
05-06-2005, 07:45 PM
Just tuned in.....same old, same old huh?

Gainesville Red
05-06-2005, 07:46 PM
So, I guess medford won't be starting any more game threads.

WVSteveVT
05-06-2005, 07:46 PM
OUCH! Just realized something, the last 2 innings I've listened to on the radio, Reds Pitchers have given up 17 runs. 17!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow, I need to shut this thing off.

cincyinco
05-06-2005, 07:46 PM
This team is just brutal to its fans. Dan O'Brien was on Lance's show yesterday saying its going to be a great weekend of baseball at the ballpark and then this? Honestly, how could this team be any harder on its fans? Last place...8-game losing streak...blow 6-run leads in the ninth...give up 10 runs in the first inning at home...get swept by the Brewers...Danny Graves criticizes what fans do go to the game

Terrible

Summed up very nicely. I couldn't have said it better myself. Absolutely terrible. Let the firesale begin.. NOW.

Petitt33
05-06-2005, 07:47 PM
I'm just going to watch the rest for a good laugh. :(

flyer85
05-06-2005, 07:48 PM
Wilson kinda made the Belisle outing against the Cubs look pretty good.

Last 2 Reds starts
3.1 15H 15ER ... I think that ERA is pretty high

RedsMan3203
05-06-2005, 07:48 PM
Thats what i'm talk'n bout.

flyer85
05-06-2005, 07:49 PM
I wonder how happy the Reds fans in the diamond seats are. ;)... more liquid refeshment please.

cincyinco
05-06-2005, 07:49 PM
OUCH! Just realized something, the last 2 innings I've listened to on the radio, Reds Pitchers have given up 17 runs. 17!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow, I need to shut this thing off.

Yes, its all your fault! :D :laugh:

ws1990reds
05-06-2005, 07:50 PM
Great inning of pitching by the Reds. ;)

Aronchis
05-06-2005, 07:50 PM
Wilson kinda made the Belisle outing against the Cubs look pretty good.

Last 2 Reds starts
3.1 15H 15ER ... I think that ERA is pretty high

LOL, I think it was 3.1 5ER compared to Paul's improved 0.0 8ER performance tonight.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 07:50 PM
Mark Lancaster of the Cincinnati Post chatted with Marty in the 2nd inning and said that reporters in the press box were remembering a similar start by Jeff Austin a few years ago. Marty said that the main difference between the two is that Paul Wilson is this team's opening day starter and so-called "ace."

Mary said that if Wilson is hurting, he is doing a grave disservice to this ballclub by going out there.

Lancaster said he's not surprised that no other moves were made beside Ricky Stone because that's the way things are run around here.

Marty said you have to be concerned about how the fans are reacting to all this.

Lancaster said even if they reel off 6 wins in a row it might not make much difference with the way things have gone.

LexingtonRedsFan
05-06-2005, 07:51 PM
Marty and Steve mentioned that Wilson couldnt even get over 90 on the rader...if he goes on the DL, who gets called up to take his place?? A starter or a reliever with beliese (sp) taking his spot??

Aronchis
05-06-2005, 07:54 PM
Maybe they will bring up Steve Kelly for a peek.

flyer85
05-06-2005, 07:55 PM
Marty and Steve mentioned that Wilson couldnt even get over 90 on the rader..nothing unusual about that. Nobody wants to discuss the reality, he isn't now nor has he ever been a good pitcher.

buckshotrod
05-06-2005, 07:56 PM
I'm not sure what to do...

Assuming your in the booth at the stadium it is either get up and leave in protest or just jump... :eek:

tsj017
05-06-2005, 07:56 PM
It's time to blow this team up and start over. Completely. No one should be considered untouchable or even necessary to keep, from O'Brien on down.

I'm assuming, of course, that Lindner isn't going to fire himself.

Petitt33
05-06-2005, 07:57 PM
Penny walks

flyer85
05-06-2005, 07:57 PM
It's time to blow this team up and start over. the offseason was the time to do that. Tough to do during the season

buckshotrod
05-06-2005, 07:59 PM
Just tuned in.....same old, same old huh?


No much worse.. :(

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:02 PM
chris and george giving stats about had badly the Dodgers have been struggling on offense. The Reds were the antidote for that.

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 08:03 PM
Assuming your in the booth at the stadium it is either get up and leave in protest or just jump... :eek:

If I were in the booth, it'd be a blast either way....I'm stuck in a studio running the controls

I can't leave :bang:


......there are worse thing I could be doing :D

Boss-Hog
05-06-2005, 08:03 PM
10 zip..
and there's that triple

mother ****er!

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Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 08:04 PM
Jason LaRue, playing virtually every day, has one more RBI for the season than Jeff Kent had in the first inning.

buckshotrod
05-06-2005, 08:06 PM
My wife generally never misses a game..she listened to the first inning and is now vaccuming the house..I think that pretty much sums it up..

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 08:09 PM
Not that they are going to come back and win this, but 8 up and 8 down to start the game?

Does this team even try? :barf:

westofyou
05-06-2005, 08:12 PM
chris and george giving stats about had badly the Dodgers have been struggling on offense. The Reds were the antidote for that.

Averaging 5.8 runs a game on the road before tonight.

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 08:12 PM
Not that they are going to come back and win this, but 8 up and 8 down to start the game?

Does this team even try? :barf:

I've wondered that....they don't seem interested, they don't seem to care, they don't seem motivated, they go through the motions and don't hustle. Not just tonight...in general

That's a problem

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:13 PM
Not that they are going to come back and win this, but 8 up and 8 down to start the game?

Does this team even try? :barf:they hit some liners. the dodgers actually have a pitcher throwing 95.

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:14 PM
i just love watching mid 80's fastballs.

CincyRedsFan30
05-06-2005, 08:15 PM
Wow... just wow.

cincyinco
05-06-2005, 08:15 PM
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My sincerest apologies, I just can't remember a time when I've been THIS frustrated as a reds fan.. can you?

My bust tho..

Aronchis
05-06-2005, 08:15 PM
Paul Wilson was hitting into the low 90's during games last year, this year I don't think he has been over 88.

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:17 PM
Ricky Stone ... the best we had in AAA

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 08:18 PM
11-0. I should be doing something else but this team is so bad I am compelled to see just how bad it can get. Kind of like gawking at a wreck on the highway

Aronchis
05-06-2005, 08:18 PM
I bet when Stone arrived in the Reds clubhouse he was like "hey I found a home". Reds players and coaches greeted him with glee, a big hug from Gullet. Stone felt needed, a man on a mission. Welcome Ricky.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 08:20 PM
This is comical. The third hit batter of the night.

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:20 PM
Keystone Kops take the mound ... a night at GABP

The Baumer
05-06-2005, 08:20 PM
Steve Lyons is the most annoying broadcaster I've ever had the displeasure of listening to. He just whines and criticizes the other team.

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:21 PM
I bet when Stone arrived in the Reds clubhouse he was like "hey I found a home". Reds players and coaches greeted him with glee, a big hug from Gullet. Stone felt needed, a man on a mission. Welcome Ricky.Ricky makes Ben Weber look like a stuff pitcher

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:22 PM
Will the Dodgers get 20 tonight?

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 08:22 PM
I've never seen more pitchers get hits off any pitching staff than I have with this team

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:24 PM
too bad we don't have an owner that would just walk in to the FO and fire everybody

Aronchis
05-06-2005, 08:24 PM
Will the Dodgers get 20 tonight?

why stop there? How about breaking the all time runs in a game record, this team is worthy of that record.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 08:25 PM
Good think we got rid of that Valentine guy and upgraded the bullpen. Seriously, everything DanO touches turns to dust

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:25 PM
Stone has NADA

Gainesville Red
05-06-2005, 08:25 PM
too bad we don't have an owner that would just walk in to the FO and fire everybody

I'd at least like to see him try to pitch, I mean why not?

Golgafrinchan
05-06-2005, 08:26 PM
If it makes you guys feel any better, Pedro Astacio has given up 7 runs in the first to Cleveland.

So Rangers fans are with us. Misery loves company.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 08:26 PM
too bad we don't have an owner that would just walk in to the FO and fire everybody

I'd be mildly surprised if Lindner is even paying attention to this game.

SirFelixCat
05-06-2005, 08:26 PM
to answer FLYER85... yes, they WILL get 20 tonight. they must have been out all F****ng night drinking DOS EQUIS which is 2 XX'es which in roman numerals is 20.


stupid cinco de mayo.


signed, MRS sc reds fan

CTA513
05-06-2005, 08:26 PM
The Reds better get Kearns warming up in the bullpen.

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:27 PM
Good think we got rid of that Valentine guy and upgraded the bullpen. Seriously, everything DanO touches turns to dustStone is just another 30 something castoff that DanO likes to collect

Boss-Hog
05-06-2005, 08:29 PM
to answer FLYER85... yes, they WILL get 20 tonight. they must have been out all F****ng night drinking DOS EQUIS which is 2 XX'es which in roman numerals is 20.


stupid cinco de mayo.


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Enough of this, everyone.

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:29 PM
will the Reds get a hit?

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 08:30 PM
will the Reds get a hit?

I've never worked a no-hitter....

SirFelixCat
05-06-2005, 08:30 PM
For the record, that was Mrs. SC...sorry Boss :hidesatwork:

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:32 PM
I've never worked a no-hitter....something to root for.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 08:32 PM
will the Reds get a hit?

I'm already on record for saying that the Reds WILL get no-hit at least once this year. It's inevitable.

RedlegNation
05-06-2005, 08:32 PM
A no-hitter. The only thing that could make this night any worse.

I'm really disturbed by the direction of this team.

Redmachine2003
05-06-2005, 08:32 PM
The sad part is Gardner is getting Hammered in AA and Pauley is still on the shelf. So much for now and the near future.

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 08:35 PM
Is Penny THAT good?

SirFelixCat
05-06-2005, 08:36 PM
yes, MY apologies as well. i had read someone elses post in this thread who used, "that type of language" and assumed it was ok.

forgive my potty mouth... i learned it from SC.

RedlegNation
05-06-2005, 08:36 PM
Is Penny THAT good?

He's pretty good.

The Reds look like they are pretty bad.

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 08:37 PM
Quick inning for Stoney...

MrCinatit
05-06-2005, 08:38 PM
well....at least we'll get a high draft pick next year!

Silverback
05-06-2005, 08:38 PM
Is Penny THAT good?

No, we're THAT bad.

CTA513
05-06-2005, 08:38 PM
Quick inning for Stoney...

Ricky was mad about last inning so he broke 2 of the Dodgers bats!

:evil:

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 08:40 PM
OK...so Dunn walks

RedlegNation
05-06-2005, 08:40 PM
Please, please, bring in Danny Graves! It's the only thing that could perfectly cap this night.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 08:40 PM
Is Penny THAT good?

It's hard to judge pitchers based on their performance vs. the Reds. Even Danny Graves could probably shut this offense down.

savafan
05-06-2005, 08:41 PM
well....at least we'll get a high draft pick next year!

Not that the Reds could afford to sign him.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 08:41 PM
well....at least we'll get a high draft pick next year!

Yea, but if it's too high of a pick and we draft properly, we'll never be able to sign him.

savafan
05-06-2005, 08:42 PM
pitching to contact is a joke

Aronchis
05-06-2005, 08:42 PM
Not that the Reds could afford to sign him.

Like they couldn't afford Homer Bailey ala the Brewers?

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 08:42 PM
Wasn't Penny rumored to be coming to Cincy a couple of years back?
Where's Ramp?

Golgafrinchan
05-06-2005, 08:43 PM
pitching to contact is a joke
Wilson misinterpreted "pitching to contact" as "pitching to the fat part of the bat."

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 08:44 PM
No-hitter intact through 5. It wouldn't bother me if it happened...maybe this team needs to completely hit the bottom before it can start the climb back.

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 08:44 PM
No-hitter intact through 5. It wouldn't bother me if it happened...maybe this team needs to completely hit the bottom before it can start the climb back.

You mean this isn't rock bottom yet???

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 08:45 PM
I thought they already had hit rock-bottom...
Guess not, huh!

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:45 PM
on the things could be worse, the Rangers broadcasters just pointed out the score at GABP

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 08:46 PM
You mean this isn't rock bottom yet???

Each time you think it is, they find a way to go lower and lower and lower...being no-hit is just the next level down

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 08:46 PM
Each time you think it is, they find a way to go lower and lower and lower...being no-hit is just the next level down

Maybe it's a bottomless pit :help:

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 08:47 PM
Stone out, Mercker in

SanDiegoRed
05-06-2005, 08:50 PM
I got on the laptop and checked the score and screamed Oh my God! My wife and kids all jumped 3 feet. What the heck has happened to this team?

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 08:51 PM
I got on the laptop and checked the score and screamed Oh my God! My wife and kids all jumped 3 feet. What the heck has happened to this team?

I wish I had an answer for you

savafan
05-06-2005, 08:51 PM
Wasn't Penny rumored to be coming to Cincy a couple of years back?
Where's Ramp?

It was all but a done deal but the Reds backed out thinking that Penny was damaged goods.

CincyRedsFan30
05-06-2005, 08:52 PM
I think a no-hitter might actually be a blessing in disguise. It might FINALLY force O'Brien into making major changes. It would have to wake him up.

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 08:53 PM
It was all but a done deal but the Reds backed out thinking that Penny was damaged goods.I thought so... thanks sava!

flyer85
05-06-2005, 08:53 PM
I think a no-hitter might actually be a blessing in disguise. It might FINALLY force O'Brien into making major changes. It would have to wake him up.don't get your hopes up.

CincyRedsFan30
05-06-2005, 08:54 PM
don't get your hopes up.

I'm not. We are talking about O'Brien here...

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 08:57 PM
No-hitter....GONE

Petitt33
05-06-2005, 08:57 PM
Freel with a triple.

Finally get a hit! :)

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 08:57 PM
Whoopee...

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 08:58 PM
Rally time ;)

SanDiegoRed
05-06-2005, 08:58 PM
Who got the hit? I have not turned on my MLB audio during this losing streak, to painful.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 08:59 PM
Lopez K's

RedsMan3203
05-06-2005, 09:00 PM
I left the house for about 30 mins, didn't even turn on WLW... Come home to find we let 2 more runs come in and we still have a gooooooose egg...

flyer85
05-06-2005, 09:00 PM
Reds are certainly doing the limbo

Caveat Emperor
05-06-2005, 09:00 PM
Wow...so I get in and check Fox Sports OH, and this is what I see...

Alright, hands up...who said it couldn't get much worse?

savafan
05-06-2005, 09:00 PM
Weathers coming in. Why doesn't that instill me with any faith?

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 09:01 PM
Runner and first with one out and can't score. This team can do absolutely nothing well.

RedsMan3203
05-06-2005, 09:01 PM
I'm just going to turn the TV off and go study.

butlerbulldogs
05-06-2005, 09:01 PM
Freel making things happen, but to no avail, reds still down a dozen

RedlegNation
05-06-2005, 09:01 PM
What's more pathetic?

The fact that the Reds are playing so poorly...

or the fact that we're all still watching or listening to this game?

Gotta be diehard to follow this team....

flyer85
05-06-2005, 09:02 PM
small ball, that's the ticket.

Aronchis
05-06-2005, 09:03 PM
The Reds motto: Dare to Dream.

flyer85
05-06-2005, 09:04 PM
What's more pathetic?
Us ... without a doubt.

PuffyPig
05-06-2005, 09:06 PM
pitching to contact is a joke

You might want to reconsider. It's what Mark Mulder advocates, as well as Greg Maddux. It means getting outs as fast and easily as possible. Don't hurt yourself with walks. It doesn't mean throwing the ball down the centre of the plate. Again, don't criticize strategy because of poor execution.

CincyRedsFan30
05-06-2005, 09:06 PM
It's very scary when one of your best relievers(Mercker) has given up as many hits as innings pitched (14), especially since he's entered during innings before. He has been pretty good overall, but still, that's very sad.

CincyRedsFan30
05-06-2005, 09:08 PM
13-0...:laugh:

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 09:08 PM
There we go...order is restored after 2 straight 1-2-3 innings.

13-0

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 09:08 PM
Weathers.....he can go, anytime

CrackerJack
05-06-2005, 09:08 PM
Chop! Chop!

flyer85
05-06-2005, 09:08 PM
Long Duc Dong is killing us tonight

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 09:09 PM
2 touchdowns (with extra points) and we can take the lead

TheBurn
05-06-2005, 09:09 PM
Oh my!
Somebody stop this... this is just like those 'Faces of Death' movies!

PuffyPig
05-06-2005, 09:09 PM
I'm just going to turn the TV off and go study.

Friday night....studying in the library.............

I'm guessing that tomorrow you'll go shopping with your Mommy for a pair of snuggly panties

L

Caveat Emperor
05-06-2005, 09:11 PM
13-0...:laugh:

I was at the aforementioned "Jeff Austin Meltdown" where he got yanked after giving up 8 runs without retiring a batter.

The only thing my friends and I could do was laugh it off....

...well, that, and shout down to the infield that if they were looking for someone to get shelled for 8 and not record an out, that any of us would be willing to do it for a pair of seasons for next year.

Aronchis
05-06-2005, 09:12 PM
Friday night....studying in the library.............

I'm guessing that tomorrow you'll go shopping with your Mommy for a pair of snuggly panties

L

LOL!!!!! :mooner: :mooner:

I hate to say it, but these blowout threads are a riot compared to winning threads.

PuffyPig
05-06-2005, 09:13 PM
It's very scary when one of your best relievers(Mercker) has given up as many hits as innings pitched (14), especially since he's entered during innings before.

What difference does entering games in the middle of an inning have on your hits/per inning ratio???

You do understand that if you only pitch a partial inning, you only get credit for that partial inning. For example, it you enter with 2 outs, you only get credit for 1/3rd on an inning.

CincyRedsFan30
05-06-2005, 09:15 PM
I was at the aforementioned "Jeff Austin Meltdown" where he got yanked after giving up 8 runs without retiring a batter.

The only thing my friends and I could do was laugh it off....

...well, that, and shout down to the infield that if they were looking for someone to get shelled for 8 and not record an out, that any of us would be willing to do it for a pair of seasons for next year.

I don't blame you one bit.

Between Haynes/Austin/Wilson, we sure have had plenty of outings that have involved allowing a ton of early runs while recording few or no outs.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-06-2005, 09:15 PM
DanO was on Lance's show on Thursday talking up how close the losses have been - by a run or two - and if half of those were reversed the Reds would have 5 or 6 more wins. Well what about 13-0 games? Or the 7-0 deficit the Reds faced on Wednesday? Or the 4-0 deficit the Reds took into the ninth on Tuesday? Or the 13-3 loss on Sunday?

The Reds aren't just losing, they are getting destroyed in almost all facets of the game.

Matt700wlw
05-06-2005, 09:16 PM
DanO was on Lance's show on Thursday talking up how close the losses have been - by a run or two - and if half of those were reversed the Reds would have 5 or 6 more wins. Well what about 13-0 games? Or the 7-0 deficit the Reds faced on Wednesday? Or the 4-0 deficit the Reds took into the ninth on Tuesday? Or the 13-3 loss on Sunday?



Sounds like the old Bengals, doesn't it? I bet George Steinbrenner never talks about how close the games were

It's about WINNING -- close losses don't count for squat

redsfanmia
05-06-2005, 09:16 PM
Is it me or is it becoming evident that this version of the Reds has no heart?

flyer85
05-06-2005, 09:16 PM
DanO forgot to point out all the close wins the Reds have. Born to be a politcian.