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WVPacman
05-10-2005, 11:20 PM
I really wish Boss and GIK would change it that the posters can only give points to a poster.I have tried my hardest to wright good positive posts to gain points and I do get some points time to time.I was up to 70 before the game started tonight then when I got back on here I only had 56 :bang:.The thing that puzzles me is that I never said nothing bad to anybody or wrote a bad post but I still get points taken away.

Guys I know that I started off on the wrong foot on here when I first joined but I am a diferent person now and I hope you all don't hold that againist me.

Patrick Bateman
05-11-2005, 12:03 AM
That simply wouldn't work because eventually everybody would make the big board and the reputation system would become useless.

You are already 1/4 of the way there. If you keep being positive and stuff for a couple of months you will probably make it.

Also when people give out points it seems that they just don't give out points for being positive but they also like to see that people are making well thought out posts. I am not saying you aren't, it's just something to consider.

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 12:10 AM
I thought I was giving good reasoning in my post's but maybe they exspect more.The only thing that I do know is that I am trying the best I can but maybe I an't smart enough to gain points.

Oh well Kearnsy I'll keep doing what I have been doing for the past week or so but maybe im just a minor leaguer. :laugh:

paintmered
05-11-2005, 12:26 AM
I thought I was giving good reasoning in my post's but maybe they exspect more.The only thing that I do know is that I am trying the best I can but maybe I an't smart enough to gain points.

Oh well Kearnsy I'll keep doing what I have been doing for the past week or so but maybe im just a minor leaguer. :laugh:


Just be patient. Your time will come eventually.

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 12:34 AM
Just be patient. Your time will come eventually.


I understand what your saying but its hard to be patient when your score is up one day then the next its down 20 points for no reason at all.I know you mods are doing your best to keep the boards in good shape with great posters but I honestly don't know what else to do.I mean when I get points taken away for nothing it kind of makes me think do some people want me to leave.

I'll keep posting and see what happens!! ;)

paintmered
05-11-2005, 12:37 AM
I understand what your saying but its hard to be patient when your score is up one day then the next its down 20 points for no reason at all.I know you mods are doing your best to keep the boards in good shape with great posters but I honestly don't know what else to do.I mean when I get points taken away for nothing it kind of makes me think do some people want me to leave.

I'll keep posting and see what happens!! ;)


Yes, please keep posting. But try to keep in mind that we are looking for quality over quantity.

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 12:42 AM
Paint,you can delete this thread if you want.

Unassisted
05-11-2005, 12:43 AM
We've only had this system for 8 days. Keep trying and don't give up hope yet!

FWIW, if the temptation to post something negative is too great in light of current events, it might be better to lay off of the ol' "Post" button. Anyone can rail about the club's latest gaffes, but the posts that say something truly insightful always get my attention.

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 12:49 AM
We've only had this system for 8 days. Keep trying and don't give up hope yet!

FWIW, if the temptation to post something negative is too great in light of current events, it might be better to lay off of the ol' "Post" button. Anyone can rail about the club's latest gaffes, but the posts that say something truly insightful always get my attention.

Thats what I don't understand I hav'nt posted nothing negative in 5-6 days but yet im only 66. :confused:

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 12:51 AM
I'll let you guys go thanks for all your help and info.

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 12:53 AM
Thats what I don't understand I hav'nt posted nothing negative in 5-6 days but yet im only 66. :confused:

66 is a lot better than the 10 you started with, and like paint said, it's about quality more than quantity. Hang in there and keep working at it. As someone new to the board, you shouldn't be expecting a "call up" overnight. People have to get to know you first, and then, if you keep posting quality information, I'm sure you'll see your "number" increase a little faster....

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 01:14 AM
I agree with what you are saying Snoop,and I apprecate all the help and advice that you all have gave me tonight.I will try even harder now with this advice that you guys have gave me.

Thanks again Unassisted,Paint,and Snoop!!!! :beerme:

You can erase this thread if you want im done asking questions.THANKS

wheels
05-11-2005, 01:18 AM
You just hang in there, PAC, 'cause you're one of my new favorites.

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 01:24 AM
You just hang in there, PAC, 'cause you're one of my new favorites.

Thanks alot Wheels that means alot man :beerme:

One more thing we an't trading Casey!!! :D

Caveat Emperor
05-11-2005, 02:18 AM
I can only speak for myself, but here's how I give out my 2 positivization points-per-click and how I give out my 1 negatization point.

In order to get a positive, I look for a post that shows some analysis. New spin on issues, playing devil's advocate on an issue, and making connections between observations. I'll also positivize for humor, so if you get me laughing, you get 2 points. :thumbup:

I'll only negatize for repetitive comments, complaining with no real analysis (exception on the game threads, where I think it's more about stream of conciousness writing than anything else), or personal attacks.

That's just my view.

RedsBaron
05-11-2005, 07:00 AM
Hey PAC, you've increased your initial total by more than I have since the new system started, and I just gave you some more points. You're doing fine.
Right now I'm finding it almost impossible not to be totally negative on the baseball side.
Hang in there.

TRF
05-11-2005, 09:36 AM
I'm not sure i understand the problem. you are a newb, but the discussion on reds live is every bit as good as on ORG, and sometimes better. stop worrying about making "the show" and concentrate on making a contribution.

Relax, it's just a message board.

bucknutdet
05-11-2005, 10:07 AM
Exactly, it's just a message board, so why is everyone so up tight about "quality over quantity?" Let people have their fun (within the rules). Some people are here b/c it's the only place they can discuss the Reds, to be part of a "community" so to speak. If they want to post, just to say something, w/o in-depth analysis, it should be encouraged. Those people shouldn't necessarily then complain about the setup, something I have chosen to live with. I simply am pointing out some observations and quirks I believe exist within the system. Is bandwidth a problem here, was that one of the reasons behind the switch? I don't know, just asking?

TRF, first you call him a newb, something all newcomers love to hear, then to stop worrying, but then he has to "concentrate on making a contribution." And finally you tell him to relax. Which is it? Can he be here for fun? I am not attacking you, just pointing out some inconsistent messages. The system here is what it is, and I understand you are addressing his questions to that. The veterans here, tell people not to worry, but then unknowingly jab the the people not in the Red Guard group with the "minor leaguer" tag or "you'll get called up someday, don't worry about it." Well people like to belong, and for some they may feel like they are being pushed to the outside under this system. I am just pointing out some observations I have made regarding this rather unique system.

It is my experience on message boards that reputation is known by those who frequent the board and reputation can earned by those who are new, not through a system, but through knowledge and board attendance (for lack of better word). Those who buck the rules by flaming or trolling are quickly found out and deleted and then banned.

Hopefully none of this is seen as an attack, merely stating an opinion and some observations I've seen. :reds:

MrCinatit
05-11-2005, 10:19 AM
Relax, it's just a message board.

bada-bing, and there it is, folks...we have a winner.
yes, this is just a message board. this is not a career, this is not life nor death, this is not love nor marriage - this is entertainment. in fact, this is a form of entertainment in which we discuss another form of entertainment.
i joined only a few months ago as a form of relaxation...as a way to get away from it all. That, and my love for The Reds.
has the new system decreased my relaxation - heck no. has it decreased my enjoyment of this site - heck no. has it decreased my love for The Reds - heck no...a 30 game losing streak could not do that, as they are MY REDS, and have been for a few decades.
i see too many worry about gaining points...and as has been pointed out in another thread, perhaps the post quality has improved a bit because of it.
i think it is fine for an exclusive forum - and it is nice to be able to peak in on it occassionally. but, one should not be obsessed with attempting to gain a key for that room. it will only decrease your enjoyment of the site.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 10:41 AM
Exactly, it's just a message board, so why is everyone so up tight about "quality over quantity?"

Maybe because there are 2,271 members?

bucknutdet
05-11-2005, 11:12 AM
Maybe because there are 2,271 members

Isn't that a good thing?

westofyou
05-11-2005, 11:15 AM
Maybe because there are 2,271 members

Isn't that a good thing?

If you prefer quanity over quality.

Personally I don't.

bucknutdet
05-11-2005, 11:16 AM
So it's bad to have that many members?

Steve4192
05-11-2005, 11:24 AM
The thing that puzzles me is that I never said nothing bad to anybody or wrote a bad post but I still get points taken away.

Some folks might be catching up on their reading and have found some of your earlier gems. Click on 'User CP' on the red menu bar (beneath the thread title) and you will find a list of the your most recent reputation changes. It very well could be that someone just read one of your rants from a week ago.

I would also like to echo that 'being positive' doesn't really mean a whole lot to me. I'd much rather read a negative post with some meat to it that a vapid post with a positive spin. I pretty much ignore one line posts of both the positive and negative variety, and I abhor outright groveling for reputation points. We are here to talk baseball, not get into a scrum for some imaginary reward.

Everyone has their own standards for awarding reputation points. I try to give positive points to posts that (1) required a great deal of time & research or (2) generate a lot of quality discussion or (3) raise a new issue or shed a new light on an existing one. The only time I 'negativize' a poster is when he/she attacks other posters, moderators, or the folks who keep this site up & running.

zombie-a-go-go
05-11-2005, 11:28 AM
and I abhor outright groveling for reputation points.

And here I thought I was the only one... (sorry, RL ;) ). :D

westofyou
05-11-2005, 11:32 AM
So it's bad to have that many members?

No, having no non human process to thin out the noise is bad.

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 11:37 AM
And here I thought I was the only one... (sorry, RL ;) ). :D


Hey!!!

:starwars: :starwars:


:pimp: :pimp: ;)

bucknutdet
05-11-2005, 12:31 PM
No, having no non human process to thin out the noise is bad.

No doubt about that. Has this new process done away with moderators deleting posts or banning trolls? I have found that good moderation makes for a great board. Moderation which enforces the stated rules yet allows for quite a bit of discussion, debate, confrontation, back & forth. Also veterans who are well respected and know the rules are able to call out the posters or posts who are breaking the rules. Even without the system, the people who come here often, probably know who has a good reputation and those who don't? Correct? Anyway..... Go Reds.

GoReds
05-11-2005, 12:54 PM
The one complaint that I would lodge is in regards to negative points given. IMO, these should be treated with the utmost thought and care as has been stated by Caveat and Steve4192. If a poster feels strongly about a particular post and chooses to 'ding' it, I would suggest that that poster should also have their username attached to the ding. At the very least it would give the poster who received the ding to find out why the ding was given instead of reading either no comments or sarcastic comments attached to the post.

Just my opinion...

Caveat Emperor
05-11-2005, 05:01 PM
No, having no non human process to thin out the noise is bad.

No doubt about that. Has this new process done away with moderators deleting posts or banning trolls? I have found that good moderation makes for a great board. Moderation which enforces the stated rules yet allows for quite a bit of discussion, debate, confrontation, back & forth. Also veterans who are well respected and know the rules are able to call out the posters or posts who are breaking the rules. Even without the system, the people who come here often, probably know who has a good reputation and those who don't? Correct? Anyway..... Go Reds.

I think the results speak for themselves. The baseball discussion on the board is robust, interesting, and has genuinely expanded my baseball knowledge. I look like a genius at the ballpark with my friends just from quoting some of the stats and observations people on here research and make.

Scroll back 3-4 weeks back on the ORG forum and see how bad it was getting. I was barely coming around before that (dropping in for a post or two). Since things have gotten cleaned up, I've been reading more threads that have made me want to post and contribute...and I don't think my experience has been atypical.

What the reputation system has done is create accountability, and it's done an excellent job. There are a few minor kinks with the negatizing to be worked out, but on the whole, it's been an excellent switch.

And that's to say NOTHING of the fact that there are now two Reds message boards with great content...

Unassisted
05-12-2005, 12:31 PM
I was up to 70 before the game started tonight then when I got back on here I only had 56 :bang:.The thing that puzzles me is that I never said nothing bad to anybody or wrote a bad post but I still get points taken away.I just "connected a few dots" and figured out that your point total drop was likely caused by some recent thread deletions by the admins. Those had the effect of lowering the amount of rep points that posters who had posted in those threads can award.

If you were given rep by someone who could award 10 points and the thread deletions lowered their post count to where they could now only award 7 points, you would have lost 3 points, through no fault of your own.

If that's too much to get your mind around, WVP, rest assured that it was the result of large-scale changes to the board and not the result of anything you did.

WVPacman
05-12-2005, 04:21 PM
I just "connected a few dots" and figured out that your point total drop was likely caused by some recent thread deletions by the admins. Those had the effect of lowering the amount of rep points that posters who had posted in those threads can award.

If you were given rep by someone who could award 10 points and the thread deletions lowered their post count to where they could now only award 7 points, you would have lost 3 points, through no fault of your own.

If that's too much to get your mind around, WVP, rest assured that it was the result of large-scale changes to the board and not the result of anything you did.

I understand man thanks alot!! :beerme:

Boss-Hog
05-12-2005, 05:01 PM
I just "connected a few dots" and figured out that your point total drop was likely caused by some recent thread deletions by the admins. Those had the effect of lowering the amount of rep points that posters who had posted in those threads can award.

If you were given rep by someone who could award 10 points and the thread deletions lowered their post count to where they could now only award 7 points, you would have lost 3 points, through no fault of your own.

If that's too much to get your mind around, WVP, rest assured that it was the result of large-scale changes to the board and not the result of anything you did. I don't think that affected people's reputation level. It affected their post total but I don't think it recalculates the reputation level unless we were to run a method that automatically does that.

creek14
05-12-2005, 05:06 PM
I don't think that affected people's reputation level. It affected their post total but I don't think it recalculates the reputation level unless we were to run a method that automatically does that.
Mine dropped 2 points. From 12 to 10.

Red Leader
05-12-2005, 05:16 PM
Mine dropped 2 points. From 12 to 10.

I think he meant the 236 points that you have.

If someone gave you positive power that was worth 12 points, and then they lost 4000 posts and their rep power is only 10 now, your "score" of 236 wouldn't go down to 234.....

Puffy
05-12-2005, 05:17 PM
Mine dropped 2 points. From 12 to 10.

I think he meant that anyone you gave points to when your rep power was 12 got 12 points and that can never change.

But once the post totals changed, and you went to 10, anyone from that moment forward gets 10 (with no effect on past rep giving).

Hope that made sense!

Boss-Hog
05-12-2005, 05:41 PM
I think he meant the 236 points that you have.

If someone gave you positive power that was worth 12 points, and then they lost 4000 posts and their rep power is only 10 now, your "score" of 236 wouldn't go down to 234..... Correct

Unassisted
05-12-2005, 06:28 PM
I never was much good at connecting dots.