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CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:33 PM
Ramirez warming up for the Reds.

DeadRedinCT
05-11-2005, 02:33 PM
So did Ricky Stone do his job effectively this past inning?

According to BP, the expected number of runs to score with a man on 2nd and 3rd with no outs was 2.1343 in 2004. He only allowed one run to score.

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 02:33 PM
How can we not hit a 1st time MLB starter? I think the Reds will produce this inning.

I feel a big inning coming. :)

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:34 PM
Ramirez going to relieve today and then start for Wilson the next time he's supposed to pitch. :)

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:34 PM
Randa lines out. 1 out.

Kearns grounds out. 2 outs.

CaiGuy
05-11-2005, 02:34 PM
A cause for celebration everyone:

Stone's ERA is now down to 5.40! It's good to have that type of pitching out of our bullpen.Stone for Red's MVP! :notworthy

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:35 PM
I feel a big inning coming. :)the 7th for the Pads?

BadFundamentals
05-11-2005, 02:35 PM
hit the ball hard 3 times last night. lined out to center, flew to the warning takc in deep right center and the warning track in left.

You also have to remember he is seeing very little to hit. Most times they are happy to pitch around him.
"You also have to remember" in these parts people line up to defend this guy if you post anything that even sniffs of being critical of him.

RedTeamGo!
05-11-2005, 02:35 PM
Who is Tim Stauffer and why is he ripping us apart?

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:37 PM
"You also have to remember" in these parts people line up to defend this guy if you post anything that even sniffs of being critical of him."you also have to remember" he has the highest OBP and SLG% on the team. I know it doesn't matter, batting average is what counts.:thumbup:

WMR
05-11-2005, 02:37 PM
Marty just asked why any ballclub needs 13 pitchers... he's gettin a little testy (i know, nothing new)

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:37 PM
Larue pops out. 3 outs.

5-2 Padres.

CaiGuy
05-11-2005, 02:37 PM
why is he ripping us apart?...because we are the Reds. :thumbdown :help: :(

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 02:37 PM
I feel a big inning coming. :)

You mean the next inning!! ;)

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:37 PM
Ramirez going to relieve today and then start for Wilson the next time he's supposed to pitch. :)more likely to pitch for Claussen on Sunday.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:37 PM
Who is Tim Stauffer and why is he ripping us apart?

A good prospect who has been saved by our lineup today.

BTW, we're at it again. We score two first inning runs, and have been held scoreless for five straight innings since. :rolleyes:

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:37 PM
Marty just asked why any ballclub needs 13 pitchers... he's gettin a little testy (i know, nothing new)

I think he was reading an email from a Reds fan.

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 02:38 PM
I feel a big inning coming. :)

Uh...maybe not. :(

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 02:38 PM
Marty just asked why any ballclub needs 13 pitchers... he's gettin a little testy (i know, nothing new)


Hes only telling the truth,thats what I like about Marty he holds nothing back.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:39 PM
more likely to pitch for Claussen on Sunday.

Probably will be one of those two situations.

Marge'sMullet
05-11-2005, 02:39 PM
the 7th for the Pads?

LOL, Ok the seventh then, who PH for the pitcher? Cruz?

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 02:40 PM
LOL, Ok the seventh then, who PH for the pitcher? Cruz?

Maybe Bergolla will get a chance.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:40 PM
hooray for the Lizard.

Tommyjohn25
05-11-2005, 02:40 PM
Alright...big bottom of the seventh, keep the faith right?

BadFundamentals
05-11-2005, 02:41 PM
"you also have to remember" he has the highest OBP and SLG% on the team. I know it doesn't matter, batting average is what counts.
"you also have to remember" BBs/OBP is not what you need to be judging middle of the order guys by who are relied on to DRIVE IN RUNS.

As long as OBP/BBs is going to drive as much of his game as it does he needs to be moved to top of order where they'll do some good and to see if he can sustain. Otherwise the BBs just show up in Box Score as LOB

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:41 PM
A swing and a miss, somebody needs to tell him to pitch to contact.

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 02:41 PM
A good prospect who has been saved by our lineup today.

BTW, we're at it again. We score two first inning runs, and have been held scoreless for five straight innings since. :rolleyes:

Just call them the pirates of 2004,they done the exact same thing.They would score early and try and hold off the opponent.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:41 PM
Ojeda strikes out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:42 PM
A swing and a miss, somebody needs to tell him to pitch to contact.

He just got brought, so he hasnt gotten the memo yet.

;)

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:42 PM
"you also have to remember" BBs/OBP is not what you need to be judging middle of the order guys by who are relied on to DRIVE IN RUNS.

As long as OBP/BBs is going to drive as much of his game as it does he needs to be moved to top of order where they'll do some good and to see if he can sustain. Otherwise the BBs just show up in Box Score as LOBYep thats why that Bonds guy really sucks, he can't drive in runs. Afterall he has only driven in 301 runs in his last 3 season. Not very good for a cleanuo hitter that hits all those HRs.

Tommyjohn25
05-11-2005, 02:43 PM
A strikeout, if he keeps that up...THEY'LL BE ANARCHY!!

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:43 PM
Also i guess it was a double switch because Valentin is in and Larue is out.

CaiGuy
05-11-2005, 02:43 PM
Ojeda strikes out. 1 out.Somebody forgot to pitch to contact. :nono:

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:43 PM
Sweeney doubles.

BadFundamentals
05-11-2005, 02:44 PM
Yep thats why that Bonds guy really sucks, he can't drive in runs.
check how he does with RISP over past 5 years and get back to me.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:45 PM
check how he does with RISP over past 5 years and get back to me.301 RBIs over the last 3 years. Not very good, changing your story, you just said it was all about driving in runs. Nows it RISP. Sure you don't want to change your mind again?

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:45 PM
Roberts flies out. 2outs.

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 02:46 PM
check how he does with RISP over past 5 years and get back to me.


Steroids does a body good!!!! :beerme:

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 02:46 PM
check how he does with RISP over past 5 years and get back to me.

I pointed this out the other day and got deducted reputation points for it. I must have struck a nerve. :devil:

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 02:47 PM
Bright spot for the day.

So far: JR 2 for 4.

Thats 1/2 of the Reds total hits!

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:47 PM
Loretta singles, 1 run scores. Loretta goes to 2nd on the throw to home.

6-2 Padres.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:48 PM
Bright spot for the day.

So far: JR 2 for 4.

Thats 1/2 of the Reds total hits!

Actually he's (2-2) so far.

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 02:49 PM
Well Yanks are losing again...

They gave up 5 in the 1st just to turn around and score 5 them self...

Then they take the lead in the bottom of the 2nd to make it 6-5.

Scoreless 3rd!

And Now they've given up Homers to Suzuki and Ibanez!

I'm glad we went after Milton and not Pavano :P

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:50 PM
Jackson pops up and Freel drops the ball, 1 run scores.

7-2 Padres.

BadFundamentals
05-11-2005, 02:50 PM
301 RBIs over the last 3 years. Not very good, changing your story, you just said it was all about driving in runs. Nows it RISP. Sure you don't want to change your mind again?
you gotta be kidding right? I'd say a guy's batting average with RISP is a pretty darn good judge of how good an rbi guy he is.

Those guys on base they are there for a reason.

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 02:50 PM
Bright spot for the day.

So far: JR 2 for 4.

Thats 1/2 of the Reds total hits!

JR,is really starting to swing the bat like he did before without the hr power but it will come back.Lets just hope he can stay health all season long so he can get his career started again on the right track.

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 02:50 PM
Actually he's (2-2) so far.


Ekks sorry -- Was going back and fourth between the game and homework. Anyways.. he has half the Reds total hits! :beerme:

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:50 PM
I think we can color this one over with the pen the Padres have.

BadFundamentals
05-11-2005, 02:51 PM
I pointed this out the other day and got deducted reputation points for it. I must have struck a nerve. :devil:
oh yea...you can bet on that. Folks around here don't take too kindly to these observations.

CaiGuy
05-11-2005, 02:51 PM
Well Yanks are losing again...
:beerme: :thumbup: :D :cool: :mooner: :) :jump: :clap: :party:

Sorry about that...it's just good to hear good news every once and a while.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:52 PM
Jackson steals 2nd.

Tommyjohn25
05-11-2005, 02:52 PM
WOW, this one got ugly quick. :(

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:52 PM
Nevin flies out. 3 outs.

7-2 Padres.

Time for a Reds rally.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:53 PM
oh yea...you can bet on that. Folks around here don't take too kindly to these observations.Red herrings are a wonderful thing.:thumbup:

bha
05-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Have you noticed how many baserunners are getting to advance on this team's poor fundamentals? It's becoming a Merry-go-round out there. That's just not acceptable. Besides that, I'm getting dizzy.

CaiGuy
05-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Time for a Reds rally.That would be nice...but the bullpen would blow the lead even if they could come back. :thumbdown

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 02:55 PM
oh yea...you can bet on that. Folks around here don't take too kindly to these observations.

Well on a good note CincyRedsFan30 and BadFundamentals are about to get called up to the majors.Congrats to both of you and don't forget about us minor leaguers down here sraching and fighting are way trying to make it to the bigs. :beerme:

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 02:55 PM
And lets go get Philly tomorrow boys. :)

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:55 PM
This would be the sixth consecutive series the Reds will have lost if we don't win this game. :rolleyes:

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:57 PM
Well on a good note CincyRedsFan30 and BadFundamentals are about to get called up to the majors.Congrats to both of you and don't forget about us minor leaguers down here sraching and fighting are way trying to make it to the bigs. :beerme:

I think BadFun was a subscriber and had an automatic 200 points to begin with.

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 02:57 PM
This would be the sixth consecutive series the Reds will have lost if we don't win this game. :rolleyes:


Thats no surprise!! :bang:

CalSean
05-11-2005, 02:57 PM
Time for some front office shake ups. This is depressing. I just know the Reds have to be better than this. :|

Raisor
05-11-2005, 02:57 PM
BF, I know you don't like Runs Created (though for the life of me I don't know WHY), but going into today's game, for the Reds it's 99.8% accurate for the year.

Actual Runs Scored 150
Runs Created: 149.7

Dunn's over all Runs Created for the season:
26.5
Runs Created per TPA:
.21
Runs Created assuming 600 TPA
126

Runs Created w/RISP
7.1
Runs Created w/RISP per TPA
.20

Runs Created w/RISP assuming 600 PA's
118.33

Not a whole lot of difference.

Something about BB's. Every bb that doesn't lead to a double play means an extra PA at the end of the game.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:58 PM
This would be the sixth consecutive series the Reds will have lost if we don't win this game. :rolleyes:better get used to it. With the Reds pitching it isn't going to get any better.

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 02:59 PM
you gotta be kidding right? I'd say a guy's batting average with RISP is a pretty darn good judge of how good an rbi guy he is.

Those guys on base they are there for a reason.

At the risk of losing all my points here is Dunn's RISP since 2002.

2005 .217
2004 .239
2003 .170
2002 .208

These number are from Yahoo,so don't shoot the messenger.

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 03:00 PM
Raisor,that tiger of yours looks like hes feeling pretty damn good these days. :laugh:

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:00 PM
BF, I know you don't like Runs Created (though for the life of me I don't know WHY), but going into today's game, for the Reds it's 99.8% accurate for the year.

Actual Runs Scored 150
Runs Created: 149.7

Dunn's over all Runs Created for the season:
26.5
Runs Created per TPA:
.21
Runs Created assuming 600 TPA
126

Runs Created w/RISP
7.1
Runs Created w/RISP per TPA
.20

Runs Created w/RISP assuming 600 PA's
118.33

Not a whole lot of difference.

Something about BB's. Every bb that doesn't lead to a double play means an extra PA at the end of the game.You are wasting your time.

Raisor
05-11-2005, 03:01 PM
Batting Average doesn't give enough information to make any kind of point about a player.

Raisor
05-11-2005, 03:02 PM
You are wasting your time.

oh I know BF won't admit he's wrong. I'm doing this for lurkers are others with open minds.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:02 PM
Dunn brings so much at this stage in his career that it's useless to complain about anything he does. Any possible negative thing he does is negated by all of the things he does to help the team score runs.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:03 PM
since the unfortunate Harang left after 8 on Monday the Reds have given up 35 hits in the last 21 innings.

CalSean
05-11-2005, 03:04 PM
Okay, I will ask. Anyone ever looked at the possibility that Gullett is not pitching coach everyone thinks he is? I can't remember the last dominating and consistent pitcher we have had in a long time.

LincolnparkRed
05-11-2005, 03:04 PM
since the unfortunate Harang left after 8 on Monday the Reds have given up 35 hits in the last 21 innings.

Well they are pitching to contact, the contact is just not finding many gloves

Tommyjohn25
05-11-2005, 03:06 PM
What's going on in the game right now? I'm assuming more of the same since there is no news. Did the reds go 1-2-3 again?

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 03:08 PM
Believe so..... But my CBS isn't work'n correct.... I've seen Giles walk 3 times now. And its still in the same inning.

Red Rover
05-11-2005, 03:08 PM
What's going on in the game right now? I'm assuming more of the same since there is no news. Did the reds go 1-2-3 again?

three pop outs sandwiched between a Freel single.

NJReds
05-11-2005, 03:08 PM
:beerme: :thumbup: :D :cool: :mooner: :) :jump: :clap: :party:

Sorry about that...it's just good to hear good news every once and a while.

Three run HR for Tino...9-9 in the 4th. Looks like "pitching to contact" is catching on.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:09 PM
oh I know BF won't admit he's wrong. I'm doing this for lurkers are others with open minds.I know, you perform a service. I do enjoy pointing out his logical fallacies. He was ripping on Dunn for taking too many BBs and not driving in runs. Of course when I pointed out that the same describes Barry Bonds he chose to change his argument(its no longer driving in runs , it is now RISP) because one cannot with any shred of credibility call Bonds a poor offensive performer. And so it goes.

Tommyjohn25
05-11-2005, 03:09 PM
Believe so..... But my CBS isn't work'n correct.... I've seen Giles walk 3 times now. And its still in the same inning.

wow! :laugh:

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 03:09 PM
Yanks Line 9 runs on 10 hits and 1 error.
Seattle Line 9 runs on 11 hits and 2 errors.

and they are just getting to the top of the 5th!

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:10 PM
The Lizard slithered his way out of a jam there.

And we thought Stone was good.... Ramirez now has a 4.50 ERA!!! We must keep him around.

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 03:11 PM
Lets say -- 3 runs this inning and 2 runs next inning and we are right back in this thing!

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:13 PM
Marty and Steve going on and on about John Fay being reported as an alien in a known national newspaper. :laugh:

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 03:15 PM
Marty and Steve going on and on about John Fay being reported as an alien in a known national newspaper. :laugh:


Didn't they mean our Harrang? Cuz, he is the only one out of the 13 pitchers we have thats doing anything as of late!

OldXOhio
05-11-2005, 03:17 PM
Randa and Kearns have left a combined 11 men on base today

LincolnparkRed
05-11-2005, 03:18 PM
How many popouts do we have today. Every other batter is a popout it seems

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:19 PM
So, we were shutout for the last 11 innings of game one of this series. Will we be shutout for the last 8 innings of this game?

BadFundamentals
05-11-2005, 03:20 PM
At the risk of losing all my points here is Dunn's RISP since 2002.

2005 .217
2004 .239
2003 .170
2002 .208

These number are from Yahoo,so don't shoot the messenger.
I hear you Cumberland. It's not that complicated. They'll counter with OBP or RC in those situations etc. etc....

Point remains with teammates in scoring position all it takes is a hit (any hit) and you're likely to drive in at least one. Walk doesn't do it.

Raisor I respect your affinity for RC but with RISP, batting average is all you need to appraise. And certainly don't want to throw BBs in there.

RedsFan75
05-11-2005, 03:22 PM
Very busy at work came on to check the score and got depressed... as if my day wasn't depressing enough already! DOH!

BadFundamentals
05-11-2005, 03:23 PM
I know, you perform a service. I do enjoy pointing out his logical fallacies. He was ripping on Dunn for taking too many BBs and not driving in runs. Of course when I pointed out that the same describes Barry Bonds he chose to change his argument(its no longer driving in runs , it is now RISP) because one cannot with any shred of credibility call Bonds a poor offensive performer. And so it goes.
you really need to take a second look at your point. Talking about "ability" of player to drive in runs - "rate" not "Actuals" . Bonds "actuals" may not have been thru ceiling but as I said check out his ability/rate as measured by his batting avg. with RISP. GUARANTEE you it is not hovering around .200.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:24 PM
Gosh ... I never knew that RISP was the best and most widely accepted measure of offensive performance. Learn something every day.

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 03:25 PM
Very busy at work came on to check the score and got depressed... as if my day wasn't depressing enough already! DOH!

Try lugging a 10lb lap top around with you on top of like 20 lbs of books and being at class all day.. Turn it on... Reds up 2-1 and we haven't done jack snice then... My back hurts.

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 03:26 PM
Update::

Jeter and Sheffield go yard for the Yanks.

Yanks 12 Seattle 9

RedsFan75
05-11-2005, 03:27 PM
Hey Begolla's getting some time in at 2nd... how's he doing?

NJReds
05-11-2005, 03:27 PM
you really need to take a second look at your point. Talking about "ability" of player to drive in runs - "rate" not "Actuals" . Bonds "actuals" may not have been thru ceiling but as I said check out his ability/rate as measured by his batting avg. with RISP. GUARANTEE you it is not hovering around .200.

So what's going on over at GUILLEN NATION these days. Have you boarded up the windows and locked the doors because he's only hitting .130 w/RISP and .083 w/RISP and 2 out?

LincolnparkRed
05-11-2005, 03:28 PM
Hey Begolla's getting some time in at 2nd... how's he doing?

just bobbled his way out of a DP chance but did get one out

LincolnparkRed
05-11-2005, 03:29 PM
So is it our turn to score 5 or more runs in the 9th???

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 03:29 PM
Most likely not.

But i'll take it :)

Raisor
05-11-2005, 03:31 PM
Raisor I respect your affinity for RC but with RISP, batting average is all you need to appraise. And certainly don't want to throw BBs in there.



I want anything "in there" that actually leads to runs scoring. Since, for the Reds this year, we KNOW the Runs Created formula is accurate (99.8%), then we know how they're created.

Bases on balls lead to runs scored.

Batting average doesn't tell you if the ball hit was a single or a double or a triple or a home run. It doesn't tell you other ways the batter avoided outs. There are other things out there that do. Use them, learn them, love them.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:31 PM
you really need to take a second look at your point. Talking about "ability" of player to drive in runs - "rate" not "Actuals" . Bonds "actuals" may not have been thru ceiling but as I said check out his ability/rate as measured by his batting avg. with RISP. GUARANTEE you it is not hovering around .200.Now that is a wonderful red herring. It's not the "actuals" that matter but the "rate" that matters. Keep on digging.

BTW, Dunn should not be hitting 5th, 2nd or 3rd is where he should be.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 03:32 PM
Reds have allowed 22 baserunners today, over 340 hits in only 291 or so innings.

I'd worry about that more then 6 weeks of RISP numbers.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:33 PM
Pads win 7-2. The team is on to Philly for four days, and so am I.

I will be on giving updates as much as possible, particularly after the Sunday game I'll be in the Club seats behind the Reds dugout for.

bha
05-11-2005, 03:34 PM
Seriously, isn't it time for heads to roll? I mean seriously. This team appears to be going through the motions.

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 03:34 PM
Well the Reds gave up 16 hits today -- Least only 1 was a homer. ;)

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:36 PM
Seriously, isn't it time for heads to roll? I mean seriously. I can't see DanO turning over any toilets. Don't think it is in his nature.

LincolnparkRed
05-11-2005, 03:36 PM
Now is our chance to turn this thing around on the road :jump:

RedsFan75
05-11-2005, 03:37 PM
Buddy of mine from Philly was saying the Reds should take at least 3 of the next few games... I disagreed with him... :(

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:39 PM
Buddy of mine from Philly was saying the Reds should take at least 3 of the next few games... I disagreed with him... :(

Milton gets to return to his Home(RUN)Stead. ;)

Stewie
05-11-2005, 03:51 PM
Buddy of mine from Philly was saying the Reds should take at least 3 of the next few games... I disagreed with him... :(

At the rate the Phillies are going, it could very well happen (the Reds taking 3, I mean). Of course, the Reds aren't really lighting it up, either, so it could be a pretty ugly weekend. Padilla has been awful so far, so the Reds should win when he pitches on Sunday. And the Reds will likely win any game that Terry Adams makes an appearance.

NJReds
05-11-2005, 04:18 PM
Dotel gives up a walk-off two run HR for the second consecutive day...wonder if he'll get booed next time he comes out of the pen in Oakland?

KronoRed
05-11-2005, 04:22 PM
Dotel gives up a walk-off two run HR for the second consecutive day...wonder if he'll get booed next time he comes out of the pen in Oakland?

If so they need to trade for Graves :D

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 05:05 PM
Well, I've been called up to the bigs folks, but the ride down here was a good one.

Don't you worry though, I will be contributing to both forums a lot and plan on having interesting discussions on both.

I also want to make this clear now:

When I give out reputation points, I will ALWAYS comment with my name, so the poster receiving reputation knows that they've been given it by me.

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 05:11 PM
Well, I've been called up to the bigs folks, but the ride down here was a good one.

Don't you worry though, I will be contributing to both forums a lot and plan on having interesting discussions on both.

I also want to make this clear now:

When I give out reputation points, I will ALWAYS comment with my name, so the poster receiving reputation knows that they've been given it by me.

Congrats man,I really hope to meet you up there on of these days hopfully.Until then keep batting 1000!! :beerme:

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 06:36 PM
Well, I've been called up to the bigs folks, but the ride down here was a good one.

Don't you worry though, I will be contributing to both forums a lot and plan on having interesting discussions on both.

I also want to make this clear now:

When I give out reputation points, I will ALWAYS comment with my name, so the poster receiving reputation knows that they've been given it by me.

Congrats and always remember the one's down on the farm!

deltachi8
05-11-2005, 07:37 PM
Reds have allowed 22 baserunners today, over 340 hits in only 291 or so innings.

I'd worry about that more then 6 weeks of RISP numbers.

agreed.

i think many of us have been saying this for months: Its all about the pitching. And this team simply ain't got 'nuff of it.