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CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 12:56 PM
Lineups:

Padres:
Roberts CF
Loretta 2B
Klesko LF
Nevin 1B
Giles RF
Burroughs 3B
Greene SS
Ojeda C
Stauffer P

Reds:
Freel 2B
Lopez SS
Casey 1B
Griffey CF
Dunn LF
Randa 3B
Kearns RF
LaRue C
Wilson P

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:00 PM
Why does it take a slow, weak hitting middle infielder getting injured before finally putting up a respectable lineup card?

Sean_CaseyRules
05-11-2005, 01:02 PM
Man i am feeling VERY VERY good about our chance on winning today

westofyou
05-11-2005, 01:02 PM
Why does it take a slow, weak hitting middle infielder getting injured before finally putting up a respectable lineup card?
Probably the same reason 3 years of Colorado Rockies quality pitching occured in Cincinnati.

Lack of imagination, common sense and cajones.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 01:03 PM
I would still like Dunn a little higher, Casey a little lower and Kearns a little higher, but this lineup is better(due to injury) than most have been this season.

HotCorner
05-11-2005, 01:05 PM
If the lineup busts out today, hopefully it will give Miley some confidence to keep the same lineup for consecutive games

:pray:

Sean_CaseyRules
05-11-2005, 01:09 PM
With knowing how Miley manages, we wont see this line-ip again untill next week, or the week after.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 01:10 PM
Man i am feeling VERY VERY good about our chance on winning todayeven with Wilson pitching?

Fil3232
05-11-2005, 01:11 PM
I was hoping Miley would give Bergolla a 'getaway day' start. Still don't understand the reasoning behind bringing him up, but that's the best part of being a Reds fan.

Sean_CaseyRules
05-11-2005, 01:11 PM
Wilson will be an Ace, like he is capable of being

westofyou
05-11-2005, 01:12 PM
So.. is really going to be 85 in Cincinati today?

If so I'll say two things, one: It will be a factor. Two: Paul Wilson will look like a mess even if he pitches good.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 01:13 PM
So.. is really going to be 85 in Cincinati today?

If so I'll say two things, one: It will be a factor. Two: Paul Wilson will look like a mess even if he pitches good.

It is going to be that warm, although there could be some late-day storms to cool things down.

And I agree that it will be a factor and that Paul will be a sweaty mess by the end, win or lose.

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:16 PM
Paul Wilson is a "hard worker" so yes, he will sweat like a pig

flyer85
05-11-2005, 01:17 PM
I was hoping Miley would give Bergolla a 'getaway day' start. Still don't understand the reasoning behind bringing him up, but that's the best part of being a Reds fan.The reasoning is that he was on the 40 man roster and none of the AAA OFs were.

LincolnparkRed
05-11-2005, 01:20 PM
Paul Wilson is a "hard worker" so yes, he will sweat like a pig

He and Hancock could go through two or three hats before getting out of the 6th on a day like today. ;)

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 01:23 PM
Tim Stauffer is a pitcher that Adam Dunn should simply destroy.

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 01:24 PM
Finally,the lineup that we all have wanted. I hope it works because this is the best the Reds have,IMO.

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:24 PM
Tim Stauffer is a pitcher that Adam Dunn should simply destroy. Stauffer would be smart to risk it with Randa though. Thus the flaw in Miley's lineups.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 01:24 PM
The reasoning is that he was on the 40 man roster and none of the AAA OFs were.

Sounds like O'Brien made some poor decisions in setting the 40-man roster.

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 01:24 PM
Does anyone know anything about Stauffer? Hard Thrower,Junkballer??

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 01:27 PM
WLW has left the broadcast to cover the Washington D.C. rogue plane scare

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 01:31 PM
WLW has left the broadcast to cover the Washington D.C. rogue plane scare

I work in DC and heard a plane which is taboo over DC. It always kinda makes me uneasy when I hear a plane because I know something is up.

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:32 PM
I work in DC and heard a plane which is taboo over DC. It always kinda makes me uneasy when I hear a plane because I know something is up. Something is up? Ya think?? ;)

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 01:33 PM
I work in DC and heard a plane which is taboo over DC. It always kinda makes me uneasy when I hear a plane because I know something is up.

Looks like it was much ado about nothing. But if I lived or worked in D.C., I would be a little paranoid about things like this.

Eric_Davis
05-11-2005, 01:34 PM
Why does it take a slow, weak hitting middle infielder getting injured before finally putting up a respectable lineup card?

Amazing, isn't it?

But at least it's there now.

Let's roll with it and take this series.

Confidence breeds more confidence.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 01:36 PM
Don't want to start out too negative but Paul Wilson has now allowed nine straight batters to reach base.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 01:37 PM
From BA on Stauffer
Strengths: Stauffer's best pitch is a plus changeup. He also throws an 89-92 mph fastball, a cutter and a developing curveball. His pitches work better than their grades because he can throw all of them for strikes at any point in the count. Managers and coaches at every level praised his grit and determination.

Weaknesses: Stauffer lacks a true major league out pitch, and he was hittable last year. He's close to his ceiling, leaving little room for projecting him beyond a No. 3 or 4 starter, not the typical expectation for a No. 4 overall choice. His curve can flatten out at times.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 01:39 PM
not off to a good start. Single for Roberts.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 01:40 PM
Wilson is going to throw over to 1st about 50 times this inning.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 01:41 PM
Wilson is going to throw over to 1st about 50 times this inning.might have to come out after 75 pitches

flyer85
05-11-2005, 01:41 PM
1st and 3rd, nobody out

jfar23
05-11-2005, 01:42 PM
Wow, according to gameday Wilson threw 9 pick off attempts that at bat :eek:

Not like it mattered, he just needs to worry about getting any out he can get. :bang:

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 01:42 PM
Klesko 7-13 lifetime vs. Paul Wilson with 5 HRs

flyer85
05-11-2005, 01:42 PM
Klesko is 7-13 lifetime with 5 HRs against Wilson but he struck him out

CTA513
05-11-2005, 01:42 PM
Klesko strikes out. 1 out.

Red Rover
05-11-2005, 01:42 PM
Starting pitching has seem to look a lot better without Jason behind the plate.

Boston Red
05-11-2005, 01:43 PM
Paul Wilson got an out. When's the last time he got an out: April 15?

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 01:43 PM
Starting pitching has seem to look a lot better without Jason behind the plate.

It's a mirage folks, a mirage. Valentin has just caught in the right situations.

WMR
05-11-2005, 01:44 PM
Let's hope Valentin's serviceable play lights a fire under LaRue's butt

CTA513
05-11-2005, 01:44 PM
Nevin strikes out. 2 outs.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 01:44 PM
Starting pitching has seem to look a lot better without Jason behind the plate.

I don't know about that. Javier Valentin caught the last two games and Harang and Claussen had their best starts of the year.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 01:44 PM
Giles career vs. Wilson: 3-4 with 2 HRs

Make that 4-5 after that RBI double

CTA513
05-11-2005, 01:45 PM
Giles Doubles.

1-0 Padres.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 01:45 PM
Giles hit, 1-0 Pads

CalSean
05-11-2005, 01:45 PM
Phew...Okay I can post. Lots of changes here. Guess I am not worthy to be in the main group anymore. How can I get subscriber status. I am willing to help out.

CalSean
05-11-2005, 01:46 PM
Reputation 10??? Man, I am a bad bad person I guess. :D

Red Rover
05-11-2005, 01:47 PM
I don't know about that. Javier Valentin caught the last two games and Harang and Claussen had their best starts of the year.

I did say WITHOUT Jason.

CalSean
05-11-2005, 01:48 PM
Wilson is just abysmal. Why isn't he in Louisville?

CTA513
05-11-2005, 01:48 PM
Burroughs grounds out. 3 outs.

1-0 Padres.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 01:48 PM
How can I get subscriber status. I am willing to help out.Beg, borrow and steal?

CTA513
05-11-2005, 01:51 PM
Freel hit by pitch.

CalSean
05-11-2005, 01:51 PM
Ricardo, you have a Reputation of 208. Why don't you have status. What is the magic number. Is Reputation a factor?

CTA513
05-11-2005, 01:52 PM
Lopez Homers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

HotCorner
05-11-2005, 01:52 PM
FeLo!!!!

flyer85
05-11-2005, 01:53 PM
Say bye bye to that baseball ... and hopefully RA as well

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 01:53 PM
Lopez HR! 2-1 Reds

I'd say Felipe is taking the bull by the horns. Poor DanO

CTA513
05-11-2005, 01:53 PM
Ricardo, you have a Reputation of 208. Why don't you have status. What is the magic number. Is Reputation a factor?

You have to get 200 rep points to get into the other forum. Once that happens the admins will flip the switch so you can post in there.

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:53 PM
FeLo doing what he needs to do baby

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 01:53 PM
I like that Lopez character! ;)

flyer85
05-11-2005, 01:54 PM
Ricardo, you have a Reputation of 208. Why don't you have status. What is the magic number. Is Reputation a factor?200 is the magic number. I guess I like hanging out with the _______. You can fill in the blank.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 01:54 PM
I did say WITHOUT Jason.

Oops...my bad. I can't read today

LincolnparkRed
05-11-2005, 01:55 PM
I have to wonder what has happened with Felipe this year, if it is something Chambliss has done, then maybe Larue needs to be his next pupil. If it is all Felipe then I salute you FeLo :beerme:

CTA513
05-11-2005, 01:55 PM
Casey walks.

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 01:55 PM
The Freel/Lopez combo pays off early. Looks like us Redzoners were right all along. At least for now.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 01:57 PM
double for Jr

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 01:58 PM
Man it's nice to see Jr. hitting like this again.

LincolnparkRed
05-11-2005, 01:58 PM
I feel bad for the rookie, but hey the reds need the win so I don't feel that bad

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:59 PM
The Freel/Lopez combo pays off early. Looks like us Redzoners were right all along. At least for now. When arent we?

CTA513
05-11-2005, 01:59 PM
Dunn hit by pitch, bases loaded.

:)

CalSean
05-11-2005, 01:59 PM
How does one gain Rep points?

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:00 PM
Dunn HBP

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 02:00 PM
It's nice to see the Reds punish a rookie in his first start...usually it's our young pitchers that get treated rudely.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:01 PM
How does one gain Rep points?as the Lords on High parcel them out ... or people that are part of the 'other forum" give them to you.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:01 PM
How does one gain Rep points?

The people that can post in the Old Red forum are able to give you rep points by voting if your post is good or something like that.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:01 PM
It's nice to see the Reds punish a rookie in his first start...usually it's our young pitchers that get treated rudely.he is punishing himself quite a bit. They need to get 5 or 6 here. They will need them.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 02:02 PM
Randa hits into a DP...letting Stauffer off the hook here

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:02 PM
Thanks Joe

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:02 PM
Randa grounds into a double play. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:03 PM
Kearns lines out. 3 outs.

2-1 Reds.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:03 PM
Kearns lines out ... inning over

deltachi8
05-11-2005, 02:03 PM
Well, we have known this team can hit all along. The pitching......no comment!

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 02:03 PM
That's just not acceptable. Bases loaded, no outs and a rookie making his first start and the Reds can't score.

Will it ever get better?

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 02:04 PM
This team always shoots itself in the foot with a DP when they have a chance to break open a game.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:05 PM
Greene flies out. 1 out.

deltachi8
05-11-2005, 02:05 PM
That's just not acceptable. Bases loaded, no outs and a rookie making his first start and the Reds can't score.

Will it ever get better?

Kinda like me in high school...no scoring. Wait, I meant, like this guy I knew in high school...ya thats it, thats the ticket.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:07 PM
Fay says RA unhappy with going on the DL. Maybe he will quit?

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:07 PM
Ojeda grounds out. 2 outs.

Randa saves the day.

HotCorner
05-11-2005, 02:07 PM
That's just not acceptable. Bases loaded, no outs and a rookie making his first start and the Reds can't score.


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CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:08 PM
One of my favorite movies of all-time! :)

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:08 PM
Stauffer with in infield hit.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 02:08 PM
Marty joined in the booth by Enquirer's John Fay during the top of the second

Fay said that Aurilia was "surprised" to go on the DL for a mild strain.

Also said that Elizardo Ramirez could get Claussen's next start on Sunday in Philly.

** nice play by Randa to rob a double from Ojeda **

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 02:09 PM
Fay says RA unhappy with going on the DL. Maybe he will quit?

He should Just be glad he's still getting paid.

smith288
05-11-2005, 02:09 PM
Fay says RA unhappy with going on the DL. Maybe he will quit? Reds fans are unhappy he got so many ABs so we can call it even.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 02:10 PM
Stauffer joins a long list of players who get a hit in their first Big League at bat

klw
05-11-2005, 02:10 PM
How does one gain Rep points?

This thread explains the system and should answer your questions.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34070&highlight=reputation+system+explained

savafan
05-11-2005, 02:11 PM
That's just not acceptable. Bases loaded, no outs and a rookie making his first start and the Reds can't score.

Will it ever get better?

Pitchers making their major league debut have always looked like Cy Young against the Reds.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:11 PM
Roberts doubles.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:11 PM
Seems like a day it will take at least 6 or 7 to win.

LincolnparkRed
05-11-2005, 02:11 PM
Marty and John showing Felipe some as well these days

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 02:13 PM
Seems like a day it will take at least 6 or 7 to win.

We should have got that in the first inning

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:13 PM
Loretta grounds out. 3 outs.

2-1 Reds.

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 02:13 PM
Seems like a day it will take at least 6 or 7 to win.

Isn't every game like that. :D

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:14 PM
Isn't every game like that. :Dsometimes it takes 10 or 11.

LincolnparkRed
05-11-2005, 02:15 PM
Wilson not pitching well according to marty but at least he should be rested from his last start :evil:

deltachi8
05-11-2005, 02:15 PM
sometimes it takes 10 or 11.

And if Wilson, Milton or Ortiz are on the mound...a couple touchdowns helps.

(Actually, I think its too early to lump Ortiz in there quite yet, hopefully he can join the good list)

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:16 PM
Jason stirring up the air around home plate

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:16 PM
Larue grounds out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:18 PM
Wilson strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:20 PM
Freel strikes out. 3 outs.

Aronchis
05-11-2005, 02:21 PM
Wilson has given up 5 hits through 2. My oh my, when will the flood gates open?

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:23 PM
Klesko flies out. 1 out.

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 02:24 PM
Just got here... Was FeLo shot a bomb?

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:24 PM
Nevin strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:26 PM
Giles walks.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:27 PM
Burroughs singles.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:28 PM
Wilson has given up 5 hits through 2. My oh my, when will the flood gates open?Last night the Pads turned 12 hits into 1 run.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:29 PM
Greene hit by pitch, bases loaded.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:30 PM
sacks are now jammed

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:31 PM
Ojeda lines out to Dunn. 3 outs.

2-1 Reds.

Aronchis
05-11-2005, 02:31 PM
Last night the Pads turned 12 hits into 1 run.

They must not like to score runs off of Reds pitching like the rest of the league

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:32 PM
mr Wilson sure likes playing with fire

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:32 PM
Wilson needs a quick inning soon or his 2.33 WHIP so far today will catch up to him.

LincolnparkRed
05-11-2005, 02:33 PM
qouting steve"Paul wilson walks the tightrope but gets out of the inning. over 60 pitches already

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:34 PM
Lopez lines out to 2B. 1 out.

Puffy
05-11-2005, 02:35 PM
or his 2.33 WHIP so far today will catch up to him.

You said it, brother. I fear its gonna catch up to him....

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:35 PM
Felipe is hitting the ball hard almost every time up

MasonBuzz3
05-11-2005, 02:35 PM
nice diving play there by loretta

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 02:36 PM
qouting steve"Paul wilson walks the tightrope but gets out of the inning. over 60 pitches already

60 pitches!!!! WOW.... Gonna need the pen again today.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:36 PM
Casey with a bloop single.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:36 PM
I fear anything involving Paul Wilson this year :)

CalSean
05-11-2005, 02:37 PM
Mayor comes through again.!!!

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:37 PM
looking like Stauffer has settled in. Same cannot be said for wilson

Maybe I spoke too soon

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:39 PM
Griffey walks.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:40 PM
Dunn walks, bases loaded. 1 out.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:41 PM
Joe gets a chance for Redemption.

Stauffer got behind and still wouldn't throw Dunn a fastball

LincolnparkRed
05-11-2005, 02:42 PM
Joe gets a chance for Redemption.

Stauffer got behind and still wouldn't throw Dunn a fastball

Dunn is getting the respect, now we just need the guys behind him to make them pay :thumbup:

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:42 PM
a K is better than a DP

MasonBuzz3
05-11-2005, 02:42 PM
stauffer is really having a hard time finding the plate, the balls he throws are no where near the plate. looks like he is just slinging the ball up there

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:42 PM
Randa pops out. 2 outs.

Aronchis
05-11-2005, 02:42 PM
Horrid swing by Randa, that was way outside.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 02:43 PM
Randa has had two chances with the bases loaded and less than 2 outs and failed both times. Making it way too easy on this kid

CalSean
05-11-2005, 02:45 PM
Come on Kearns, bring Casey home.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:45 PM
Kearns strikes out. 3 outs.

2-1 Reds.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 02:45 PM
Terrible

Aronchis
05-11-2005, 02:46 PM
Austin has got to take advantage of these chances or he will be back on the bench when Pena returns.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:46 PM
seems like Stauffer is a guy who is tough on righties and doesn't have much for lefties.

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 02:47 PM
We will regret missing these opportunities to put this game away. Just pathetic hitting.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:48 PM
Stauffer grounds out. 1 out.

WMR
05-11-2005, 02:48 PM
Steve: "Both of these pitchers were very very high".... ... .. draft picks

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:48 PM
One thing that is kinda funny is Dunn takes some flack for not driving in enough runs but the last two series have put an exclamamtion point on the fact that for the most part with runners on they still prefer to pitch around him and take their chances with whoever the next batter is.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:49 PM
Roberts with a bunt single.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:50 PM
Roberts with a bunt single.thats two for the day

CalSean
05-11-2005, 02:50 PM
The problem this is season so far is pitching, pitching and pitching. I believe we have the hitters, no question. When we keep blowing 9th inning leads or give a team 10 runs the first inning, you are not going to win many games.

Aronchis
05-11-2005, 02:51 PM
One thing that is kinda funny is Dunn takes some flack for not driving in enough runs but the last two series have put an exclamamtion point on the fact that for the most part with runners on they still prefer to pitch around him and take their chances with whoever the next batter is.

Yep, they don't respect Randa very much.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:51 PM
Loretta singles.

LincolnparkRed
05-11-2005, 02:52 PM
Austin: Performances like that are why you will be on the bench this summer watching Griffey, Dunn and Pena play while you fight with freel for playing time

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:52 PM
Klesko homers.

4-2 Padres.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:53 PM
I saw that coming a mile away. :rolleyes:

WMR
05-11-2005, 02:53 PM
Dagnubit

Aronchis
05-11-2005, 02:53 PM
Wilson is beyond horrible right now, he needs a DL trip.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:53 PM
That is the 9th HR given up by Wilson now.

CalSean
05-11-2005, 02:53 PM
The problem this is season so far is pitching, pitching and pitching. I believe we have the hitters, no question. When we keep blowing 9th inning leads or give a team 10 runs the first inning, you are not going to win many games.


...point well made. Darn. :(

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Nevin pops out. 2 outs.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 02:54 PM
This team is so pathetically predictable.

Reds load the bases twice -- once with no outs; once with 1 out and get a total of ZERO runs against a rookie pitcher making his first Big League start.

Then Ryan Klesko, 7-14 in his career against Paul Wilson with 5 HRs hits a 3-run HR.

There is a reason why the Reds are in last place.

MasonBuzz3
05-11-2005, 02:55 PM
anyone else think that there has to be something wrong with wilson? he's not a great pitcher but he isnt this bad either.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:55 PM
after that stat earlier who didn't know that was going to happen at some point today.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:55 PM
Milton/Wilson a combined 22 HR given up so far :help:

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:55 PM
Giles singles.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:56 PM
anyone else think that there has to be something wrong with wilson? he's not a great pitcher but he isnt this bad either.I suggest perusing his career stats a little more closely. He has always been below average. Good thing we didn't give him $8M a year.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 02:56 PM
Yep, they don't respect Randa very much.

They have been given no reason to. Look at his career numbers.

WMR
05-11-2005, 02:56 PM
Hey we aren't in last place!!!! Well, not technically anyway: We're tied with Houston!

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:56 PM
4 ER, 10 hits in 4 for Wilson so far!

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:56 PM
Burroughs grounds out. 3 outs.

4-2 Padres.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:57 PM
Milton/Wilson a combined 22 HR given up so far :help:Maybe it is a personal contest. First one to break Blyleven's record wins.

CalSean
05-11-2005, 02:57 PM
Wilson needs some AAA time. When you are at the bottom, it is not going to hurt to bring up a prospect and get him some work. ...and maybe pick up a FA Veteran somewhere. We need a solid starter right away. Need to get someone who can consistently get us 6 or 7 innings without getting smacked.

WMR
05-11-2005, 02:57 PM
I remember Welsh saying during Wilson's last "start" that he didn't look right,,,, maybe something really is wrong w/ him...

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 02:57 PM
Randa is the least of the team's problems. He came into today with a .304 average, a .402 OBP and an .884 OPS, to go with 4 HR and a team-leading 20 RBI. He has also played very well at 3B.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:58 PM
They have been given no reason to. Look at his career numbers.Not a hard choice when the alternative is Dunn

Tony Cloninger
05-11-2005, 02:58 PM
Paul Wilson WISHES he was Bert Blyleven. I wish he was too! :beerme:

klw
05-11-2005, 02:59 PM
Maybe it is a personal contest. First one to break Blyleven's record wins.

Are there side bets to see if they top Casey's GIDP total?

Blimpie
05-11-2005, 02:59 PM
This team is so pathetically predictable.

Reds load the bases twice -- once with no outs; once with 1 out and get a total of ZERO runs against a rookie pitcher making his first Big League start.

Then Ryan Klesko, 7-14 in his career against Paul Wilson with 5 HRs hits a 3-run HR.

There is a reason why the Reds are in last place.Well. That pretty much tidies things up. Couldn't have said it better myself.. :bang:

CTA513
05-11-2005, 02:59 PM
Larue pops out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:01 PM
Wilson strikes out. 2 outs.

Hooligan
05-11-2005, 03:02 PM
What's the address to Jax's site about Reds contracts.--thanks

Buckeye33
05-11-2005, 03:02 PM
Wilson = DL

10 hits in 4 innings coming off a game that he got 0 outs. I just pray something is wrong.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:02 PM
Maybe the team knows something about Wilson, was anticipating a DL trip after this game and that's why they decided to call up Elizardo. Who knows.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:03 PM
Freel strikes out. 3 outs.

4-2 Padres.

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 03:04 PM
Maybe the team knows something about Wilson, was anticipating a DL trip after this game and that's why they decided to call up Elizardo. Who knows.

You may be on to something there. I hadn't thought of that possibility.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:04 PM
Wilson = DL

10 hits in 4 innings coming off a game that he got 0 outs. I just pray something is wrong.but he's going out for the 5th ... punch drunk prize fighter that he is

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 03:06 PM
but he's going out for the 5th

If he is hurt and out their pitching and gets hurt for the season... Somebody is gonna look like an arse.

With his past arm injurys... I wouldn't be letting him back out.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:06 PM
Greene flies out. 1 out.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:06 PM
If he is hurt and out their pitching and gets hurt for the season... Somebody is gonna look like an arse. or maybe the insurance will kick in

Tony Cloninger
05-11-2005, 03:07 PM
INSURANCE?? ....what insurance is that Mr. Head?? :laugh:

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:07 PM
I know Wilson isn't a great pitcher by any stretch of the imagination, but he just looks awful lately. He was never as consistently bad as Jimmy Haynes until now.

Bobcat J
05-11-2005, 03:08 PM
but he's going out for the 5th ... punch drunk prize fighter that he is

Well, with 13 pitcher's on the roster you have to be careful not to wear out the pen. ;)

OldXOhio
05-11-2005, 03:08 PM
Maybe the team knows something about Wilson, was anticipating a DL trip after this game and that's why they decided to call up Elizardo. Who knows.

And what better way to work out an injury than to throw in a real game situation.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:08 PM
Ojeda strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:09 PM
Stauffer grounds out. 3 outs.

1-2-3 inning.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:09 PM
INSURANCE?? ....what insurance is that Mr. Head?? :laugh:the kind that pays you cash ... which is just as good as money.

RedsMan3203
05-11-2005, 03:10 PM
I'm glad i'm not at home, and its not on TV. Also, glad i'm not in my car to listen to it... I'd be prolly be more upset.

Aronchis
05-11-2005, 03:10 PM
Wilson with a quality inning for once, maybe that disk slipped back into the right area of the back.

MasonBuzz3
05-11-2005, 03:10 PM
I know Wilson isn't a great pitcher by any stretch of the imagination, but he just looks awful lately. He was never as consistently bad as Jimmy Haynes until now.
thats what i'm thinking. maybe his back is acting up again causing him to leave a lot of his pitches up in the zone.

WMR
05-11-2005, 03:10 PM
The kind that you've got to have? Because if you've got it, then you don't need it? But if you need it, then you don't have it?

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 03:10 PM
I don't think we really have to search for excuses for Wilson...this is just his career norm. If anything, last year was the abberration and he was seriously overvalued by this crack front office which is oh-so-easily fooled. Just like Jimmy Haynes, who had his career year here and then imploded the following season, this is hardly a surprise from Wilson. The Tampa Bay Devil Rays didn't give up on him for no reason.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:11 PM
And what better way to work out an injury than to throw in a real game situation.

It wouldn't be to "work out an injury". Sometimes pitchers try to pitch through some discomfort, as long as it's not too painful. Paul seems like the type that would do that.

This start might be the one that causes a decision on him to be made.

The team did something similar with Pena apparently. He PH while not totally healthy last week, and then was finally sent to the DL yesterday.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:12 PM
I don't think we really have to search for excuses for Wilson...this is just his career norm. a little worse than that ... but not surprising.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:12 PM
Lopez grounds out. 1 out.

Tony Cloninger
05-11-2005, 03:12 PM
The AFLAC duck would be a good addition to this pitching staff.


Didn't the players....especially Casey..almost demand PW be brought back beacuse of his "work ethic?"

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:12 PM
Casey files out. 2 outs.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 03:14 PM
The AFLAC duck would be a good addition to this pitching staff.


Didn't the players....especially Casey..almost demand PW be brought back beacuse of his "work ethic?"

Casey also convinced Eric Milton to join this team. I'm starting not to trust his player evaluation skills

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:14 PM
Griffey singles.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:14 PM
Wilson's career WHIP is 1.44. Coming into today it was 1.72 so far this year, and is even higher than that now. His career ERA was 4.81, while it is 7.24 right now.

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:15 PM
That Griffey can hit ;)

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:15 PM
Dunn flies out. 3 outs.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 03:16 PM
Tony Pena has resigned as KC Royals manager after an 8-25 start. Dave Miley only has 4 more wins than that.

registerthis
05-11-2005, 03:16 PM
Casey also convinced Eric Milton to join this team. I'm starting not to trust his player evaluation skills
Well he was friends with Reitsma too, it'd be nice to have him in the Pen right about now.

OldXOhio
05-11-2005, 03:16 PM
It wouldn't be to "work out an injury". Sometimes pitchers try to pitch through some discomfort, as long as it's not too painful. Paul seems like the type that would do that.

This start might be the one that causes a decision on him to be made.

The team did something similar with Pena apparently. He PH while not totally healthy last week, and then was finally sent to the DL yesterday.

understood - I was speaking in jest. However, if they did call up the lizard in anticipation of moving Wilson to the DL, the Pena situation would not even be comparable. Using a potentially injured guy in a PH role vs. a pitcher throwing throwing through discomfort are two different things.

WMR
05-11-2005, 03:16 PM
Casey also convinced Eric Milton to join this team. I'm starting not to trust his player evaluation skills

That's what we got Danny-Boy for! Casey is the Closer

Aronchis
05-11-2005, 03:16 PM
Dunn looks to be in slump phase, when he isn't seeing the ball to well. Little power, alot of walks and a tumbling batting average. Lucky for us, his "slump" phases are better than Aurilia's "hot streaks" :devil:

OldXOhio
05-11-2005, 03:17 PM
Tony Pena has resigned as KC Royals manager after an 8-25 start. Dave Miley only has 4 more wins than that.

yeah, but Pena had a really bad season last year in KC, unlike Miley who....

oh...

nevermind

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:18 PM
understood - I was speaking in jest. However, if they did call up the lizard in anticipation of moving Wilson to the DL, the Pena situation would not even be comparable. Using a potentially injured guy in a PH role vs. a pitcher throwing throwing through discomfort are two different things.

I know, I was just trying to show that it really doesn't mean anything when we see him out there pitching. I don't agree with the team's position if that's how they're handling it, but it happens often.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-11-2005, 03:18 PM
It's a shame that we're wasting Ken Griffey Jr.'s comeback season on this exceptionally lousy team.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:18 PM
Dunn looks to be in slump phase, when he isn't seeing the ball to well. Little power, alot of walks and a tumbling batting average. Lucky for us, his "slump" phases are better than Aurilia's "hot streaks" :devil:hit the ball hard 3 times last night. lined out to center, flew to the warning takc in deep right center and the warning track in left.

You also have to remember he is seeing very little to hit. Most times they are happy to pitch around him.

NY Redsfan
05-11-2005, 03:19 PM
Mixed feelings today. Stauffer is from my neck of the woods - Upstate NY - Saratoga Springs to be exact. He's pitched well in his first career start, but now its time for the Reds to get some runs.

OldXOhio
05-11-2005, 03:19 PM
It's a shame that we're wasting Ken Griffey Jr.'s comeback season on this exceptionally lousy team.

That's ok, be happy for KGJ that his comeback of the year award will be presented to him in someone else's uniform.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:19 PM
Roberts singles.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:19 PM
no chance wilson survives this inning

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 03:20 PM
no chance wilson survives this inning

Nope,this is the normal inning for a Wilson meltdown.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:21 PM
Loretta doubles.

RedTeamGo!
05-11-2005, 03:21 PM
11 hits already? Is Paul Wilson the next Jimmy Haynes? whats going on with him?

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:21 PM
Why is it that it seems Miley always waits to get someone ready to go in the pen until after the bases are loaded with zero outs or a situation like that?

RedTeamGo!
05-11-2005, 03:21 PM
make that 12 hits... :thumbdown

Aronchis
05-11-2005, 03:21 PM
Wilson has nothing left

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:21 PM
Wilson coming out, Stone going in.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:22 PM
Before too long we'll be saying "DanO, I wish they would have brought in Syd Thrift".

WMR
05-11-2005, 03:22 PM
Why is it that it seems Miley always waits to get someone up in the pen until after the bases are loaded with zero outs or a situation like that?

The same reason Rich Aurilia was given SS for LIFE until he pulled up lame.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:25 PM
Klesko flies out. 1 out.

Roberts cant go home because Griffey makes a good throw.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:26 PM
Nevin flies out. 2 outs.

1 run scores.

5-2 Padres.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:27 PM
Giles intentionally walked.

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:29 PM
Burroughs singles, bases loaded.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:29 PM
The Reds are getting stoned.

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 03:29 PM
Dang can't listen to the game!! :thumbdown

CTA513
05-11-2005, 03:30 PM
Greene flies out. 3 outs.

5-2 Padres.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:30 PM
even Marty is not paying attention.

WVPacman
05-11-2005, 03:31 PM
The Reds are getting stoned.

Maybe I shouldn't listen to it :laugh:

OldXOhio
05-11-2005, 03:31 PM
pretty good job by Stone - c'mon Reds, let's score some runs for that bullpen

CincyRedsFan30
05-11-2005, 03:32 PM
A cause for celebration everyone:

Stone's ERA is now down to 5.40! It's good to have that type of pitching out of our bullpen.

Marge'sMullet
05-11-2005, 03:32 PM
How can we not hit a 1st time MLB starter? I think the Reds will produce this inning.

cumberlandreds
05-11-2005, 03:32 PM
A cause for celebration everyone:

Stone's ERA is now down to 5.40! It's good to have that type of pitching out of our bullpen.

That's Cy Young numbers for our bullpen. ;)

CaiGuy
05-11-2005, 03:32 PM
The Reds are getting stoned.What's new? :rolleyes: