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smith288
05-11-2005, 01:01 PM
Lineups:

Padres:
Roberts CF
Loretta 2B
Klesko LF
Nevin 1B
Giles RF
Burroughs 3B
Greene SS
Ojeda C
Stauffer P

Reds:
Freel 2B
Lopez SS
Casey 1B
Griffey CF
Dunn LF
Randa 3B
Kearns RF
LaRue C
Wilson P

top6
05-11-2005, 01:04 PM
Why does Casey bat 3rd and Dunn 5th? Is there any argument either that (a) you put the better hitter in the 5th spot or that (b) Casey is in any way a better hitter than Dunn? I just find this totally indefensible - even worse that Aurillia playing.

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:06 PM
Not seeing Aurilia's name in there makes me feel all is right in the world.

Heck, even if Wilson was batting 4th i would feel this way. LOL

TRF
05-11-2005, 01:06 PM
Kearns hitting 7th?

dave, dave, dave.

IMO for today.

Freel
Dunn
Griff
Kearns
Casey
Randa
Lopez (yes, even though he's on a tear.)
LaRue
Wilson

But it'll do. But he does have the right players are on the field. At least until WMP returns. :)

oneupper
05-11-2005, 01:08 PM
baby steps, baby steps...

SS = Second Swinger

Ryan the Reds Fan
05-11-2005, 01:12 PM
Looks better than most of the lineups I've seen thrown out there this year. Here's to the start of a new streak.

OldRightHander
05-11-2005, 01:13 PM
I don't know if I really like Dunn batting ahead of Randa, unless Randa starts going on some kind of a tear. I would like to see him have more protection than that. At least we have a decent middle infield starting. We can only hope Rich's hammy takes its time.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 01:15 PM
Hot there today eh?

I'm going to listen to the SD feed since there is no TV. My goal is to go until July (when I come to Ohio) without listening to Marty and crew.

It should be an easy choice today.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 01:16 PM
I don't know if I really like Dunn batting ahead of Randa, unless Randa starts going on some kind of a tear. I would like to see him have more protection than that. At least we have a decent middle infield starting. We can only hope Rich's hammy takes its time.

If Randa bats behind Dunn all year he'll have a Deron Johnson year.

I have Dunn in my strat league and he's stinking the joint up BA wise, but he leads the team in walks and is second in Runs. I've been leading him off a bit too.

Puffy
05-11-2005, 01:18 PM
I like the lineup - as I've posted many times the last week I prefer:

Freel
Lopez
Dunn
Griffey
Kearns
Casey
Randa
LaRue

However, this isn't bad either, especially since Casey is beginning to hit doubles, that signals he is about to go on a tear.

zombie-a-go-go
05-11-2005, 01:19 PM
With Kearns, Lopez, and Freel all in the lineup at the same time, I have to wonder if Miley came down with a nasty flu bug and called in sick today.

Joseph
05-11-2005, 01:20 PM
even worse that Aurillia playing.

Now now, let's not be too harsh. Aurilia playing is far worse than having the right players in the wrong order.

oneupper
05-11-2005, 01:25 PM
You could argue the same about the Padres...they bat their OBP guy (Giles) in the 5 slot. (not that Nevin and Klesko are shabby).

IIRC he was mostly 3rd with the Pirates.

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 01:28 PM
You could argue the same about the Padres...they bat their OBP guy (Giles) in the 5 slot. (not that Nevin and Klesko are shabby).

IIRC he was mostly 3rd with the Pirates.

They dropped Giles down to 5th because he was in a horrible slump (0-22 at one point). When they dropped him to 5th, he started hitting (vs StL). Klesko has been hot recently to boot, so that's why they stayed there, they are both hitting in the spots they are in. I'd imagine once Klesko cools off, Giles will go back to hitting 3rd where he has primarily hit with the Padres as well.

REDREAD
05-11-2005, 01:29 PM
My goal is to go until July (when I come to Ohio) without listening to Marty and crew.


Wow, he's worn that thin on you? :lol:

You missed last night. It was the 7th or 8th inning, and Steve said the bullpen did an excellent job in the game. Marty got all crabby and said something like "Don't say that yet, they still have time".

traderumor
05-11-2005, 01:29 PM
There are a ton of day games today, esp. for a Wednesday. Four game weekend series, maybe?

traderumor
05-11-2005, 01:34 PM
The Reds need to quit dinking around with D'Lo and get something for him. Maybe they'll make a move when WMP comes back.

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:36 PM
I dont like Dave Roberts.

Joseph
05-11-2005, 01:37 PM
I dont like Dave Roberts.

Does anyone? :)

Danny Serafini
05-11-2005, 01:39 PM
Has Wilson thrown more to the plate or over to first this at bat?

Roy Tucker
05-11-2005, 01:41 PM
Something I noticed when watching the Sunday night game...

Ryan Klesko looks a lot less buff than he used to. Hmmmm....

westofyou
05-11-2005, 01:42 PM
Wow, he's worn that thin on you? :lol:

You missed last night. It was the 7th or 8th inning, and Steve said the bullpen did an excellent job in the game. Marty got all crabby and said something like "Don't say that yet, they still have time".

yep, not having to listen to him all these years has made weaning myself of him in the internet age easier.

That said, I can't get any audio on MLB,com right now.

Danny Serafini
05-11-2005, 01:42 PM
Klesko is 7-13 with 5 HRs career against Wilson. Make it 7-14, he just struck him out, but that's an ugly number for today.

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:43 PM
Klesko's back is apparently hurt so he may pulled sometime today

Puffy
05-11-2005, 01:44 PM
Hey, Wilson has already outperformed his last outing!!

:clap:

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:45 PM
Here we go with Wilson...

Danny Serafini
05-11-2005, 01:45 PM
Brian Giles is 3-4 with 2 HRs lifetime against Wilson. What's with these Padres owning Wilson? Now 4-5. 1-0 Padres.

Roy Tucker
05-11-2005, 01:47 PM
Giles has killed the Reds over the years.

Joseph
05-11-2005, 01:47 PM
I think he ended up throwing over 9 times with Roberts at first and Loretta at the plate.

traderumor
05-11-2005, 01:47 PM
A change in uni hasn't done anything to change what Giles does to the Reds

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:52 PM
1st batter in his career he hits. Niiice.

Danny Serafini
05-11-2005, 01:53 PM
Second one homers, even nicer!

Joseph
05-11-2005, 01:53 PM
And FeLo says 'I'm the starting SS from now on'

westofyou
05-11-2005, 01:53 PM
The Padres annoucer somewhat of a amped up freak

HR for my fantasy teams new 2nd baseman.

traderumor
05-11-2005, 01:53 PM
inauspicious start for the rookie, just like it should be

gm
05-11-2005, 01:53 PM
Fleepy!

Ryan the Reds Fan
05-11-2005, 01:53 PM
Way to go Lopie!!

Falls City Beer
05-11-2005, 01:54 PM
That young man's got some surprising thunder in that bat. He is a slight young man too.

remdog
05-11-2005, 01:55 PM
Welcome to the starting SS position Felipe! It's yours for the rest of the year. Have fun.

Rem

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:56 PM
Im listening to the Padres announcers as well and they are making WAY too big a deal about the foul ball sound effects.... geesh.

Danny Serafini
05-11-2005, 01:56 PM
Bah. Aurilia would've hit a 3 run homer.

TeamCasey
05-11-2005, 01:56 PM
Need good updates today, guys.

Peeking in from work periodically. :)

Roy Tucker
05-11-2005, 01:57 PM
Welcome to the starting SS position Felipe! It's yours for the rest of the year. Have fun.
We can only hope.

gm
05-11-2005, 01:57 PM
The Padres annoucer somewhat of a amped up freak.

He must've interned under Niehaus

RedsBaron
05-11-2005, 01:57 PM
Welcome to the starting SS position Felipe! It's yours for the rest of the year. Have fun.

Rem
Miley will probably bench Lopez now. :evil:

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:57 PM
Griffey is ON now...

traderumor
05-11-2005, 01:58 PM
this guy trying to audition for the Reds staff?

smith288
05-11-2005, 01:58 PM
Double by Griffey off the left field wall.

TRF
05-11-2005, 01:58 PM
Double by Junior. 2nd and third, 0 outs.

Danny Serafini
05-11-2005, 01:58 PM
This debut is getting uglier. Hit batter, HR, walk, double. Welcome to the big leagues kid!

Falls City Beer
05-11-2005, 01:59 PM
This debut is getting uglier. Hit batter, HR, walk, double. Welcome to the big leagues kid!

Gotta make sure we capitalize, though, first.

gm
05-11-2005, 01:59 PM
Need good updates today, guys.

Peeking in from work periodically. :)

Padre's rookie pitcher (Stauffer) hasn't recorded an out. He hit Freel, Lopez homered, Casey walked and Junior doubled. 2-0 Reds and the SD pitching coach Balsley is giving the kid a pep talk

smith288
05-11-2005, 02:00 PM
This guy's lack of nerves are unreal...

gm
05-11-2005, 02:00 PM
Dunner HBP, bases drunk, 0 outs

Roy Tucker
05-11-2005, 02:00 PM
Bah. Aurilia would've hit a 3 run homer.
No, he would have struck out on a pitch a foot outside.

However, he would have come back to the dugout displaying great veteran leadership.

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 02:01 PM
Dunn HBP.

RedFanAlways1966
05-11-2005, 02:01 PM
Dunn would've sac. flied if not HBP on that one. I could feel it! :laugh:

smith288
05-11-2005, 02:01 PM
No, he would have struck out on a pitch a foot outside.

However, he would have come back to the dugout displaying great veteran leadership. :lol:

traderumor
05-11-2005, 02:01 PM
In honor of another Padres' debut, he's trying to pull a Tankersley

creek14
05-11-2005, 02:01 PM
Dunner HBP, bases drunk, 0 outs
Nobody hits Dunn. :p:

RedsBaron
05-11-2005, 02:02 PM
No, he would have struck out on a pitch a foot outside.

However, he would have come back to the dugout displaying great veteran leadership. :laugh:

OldRightHander
05-11-2005, 02:02 PM
It's nice to see another team's pitcher perform like this for a change.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 02:02 PM
Padre's rookie pitcher (Stauffer) hasn't recorded an out. He hit Freel, Lopez homered, Casey walked and Junior doubled. 2-0 Reds and the SD pitching coach Balsley is giving the kid a pep talk

Mmmmm... Wilsonrific.

smith288
05-11-2005, 02:02 PM
My prediction (neg me if you want):

Reds scorch this rookie, then the replacement will freeze the Reds bats

Joseph
05-11-2005, 02:02 PM
I've said it before, I'll say it again, guys named Joe rule.....except this time.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 02:02 PM
Mmmmmm... Krispy DP by Padres.

remdog
05-11-2005, 02:03 PM
Here's Randa's chance to show that he should be fronting Kearns. :)

Rem

traderumor
05-11-2005, 02:03 PM
Paging Puffy, come in puffy ;)

Joseph
05-11-2005, 02:03 PM
End of 1, Reds 2, Pads 1.

Should have had a LOT more out of that inning.

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 02:04 PM
Was there a possible worse outcome of that Randa AB?

Falls City Beer
05-11-2005, 02:04 PM
End of 1, Reds 2, Pads 1.

Should have had a LOT more out of that inning.

If anyone doesn't think that inning will come back to bite the Reds, he/she's crazy.

But then again, this team redefines ways to lose.

gm
05-11-2005, 02:04 PM
MLB.com Gameday reports a 5-2-5 DP?! There's a rarity

smith288
05-11-2005, 02:05 PM
Was there a possible worse outcome of that Randa AB? triple play?

remdog
05-11-2005, 02:05 PM
Actually, both pitchers could have given up a lot more. Considering everything, I'm just happy the Reds are up at this point.

Rem

15fan
05-11-2005, 02:05 PM
Bases loaded, no outs, and the Reds get...squat.

That snapshot captures the essence of the entire season so far.

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 02:05 PM
MLB.com Gameday reports a 5-2-5 DP?! There's a rarity

That's the way Joe Randa hit into it, believe it or not. :laugh:

gm
05-11-2005, 02:06 PM
Padre's rookie pitcher (Stauffer) hasn't recorded an out. He hit Freel, Lopez homered, Casey walked and Junior doubled. 2-0 Reds and the SD pitching coach Balsley is giving the kid a pep talk

2-1, mea culpa

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 02:07 PM
triple play?

I stand corrected, forgot about that option. :laugh:

Thanks, smith.

Roy Tucker
05-11-2005, 02:08 PM
So, what happened? cbs.sportsline was a little confused.

A 5-2-5 triple play?

Falls City Beer
05-11-2005, 02:08 PM
Two outs back-to-back from Wilson. Anybody wanna research the last time that happened?

traderumor
05-11-2005, 02:08 PM
Aurilia surprised and not happy about his placement on the DL according to Fay. Cry me a river :rolleyes:

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 02:09 PM
So, what happened? cbs.sportsline was a little confused.

A 5-2-5 triple play?

Randa hit a grounder to 3rd. Burroughs threw home to get Casey at home, then Ojeda threw to 3rd to get Griffey at 3rd. Double play.

Danny Serafini
05-11-2005, 02:09 PM
Tim Stauffer's career OPS is now 2.000.

Ryan the Reds Fan
05-11-2005, 02:09 PM
That is an interesting point though. I just heard Fay say that as well, maybe the team was looking for a reason.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 02:11 PM
That is an interesting point though. I just heard Fay say that as well, maybe the team was looking for a reason.

Once again I'll bring up Terry Pendelton 1997.

This time his great DL argument with Ray Knight and Bowden.

smith288
05-11-2005, 02:11 PM
Warm up the pen

gm
05-11-2005, 02:12 PM
Dave Roberts = Brett Butler

Falls City Beer
05-11-2005, 02:13 PM
I know Wilson sucks, but this is a very special suckiness. He's almost got to be injured.

Roy Tucker
05-11-2005, 02:13 PM
Randa hit a grounder to 3rd. Burroughs threw home to get Casey at home, then Ojeda threw to 3rd to get Griffey at 3rd. Double play.
Thanks RL. Sportsline said it was a triple play. I couldn't figure out where all the outs came from. They've corrected it now.

oneupper
05-11-2005, 02:14 PM
Was that a mental mistake by Randa?..could have cost a run...

gm
05-11-2005, 02:14 PM
The lovely and talented Loretta grounds out to Randa, 2-1 Reds coming to bat

Puffy
05-11-2005, 02:15 PM
Paging Puffy, come in puffy ;)

Nah, I'll leave it alone. Randa has been better than I thought all year, so I'll continue giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, if he does it again he's fair game!

smith288
05-11-2005, 02:16 PM
Nah, I'll leave it alone. Randa has been better than I thought all year, so I'll continue giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, if he does it again he's fair game! How convenient. ;)

OldRightHander
05-11-2005, 02:18 PM
Thanks RL. Sportsline said it was a triple play. I couldn't figure out where all the outs came from. They've corrected it now.

Actually, I think the third baseman stepped on third to get the force on Griffey, then Casey was hung out to dry between third and home. He threw home and the catcher ran Casey back toward third and then threw back to third for the tag out.

gm
05-11-2005, 02:21 PM
Stauffer retires Red's 1-2-3, on to the 3rd

REDREAD
05-11-2005, 02:23 PM
Stauffer retires Red's 1-2-3, on to the 3rd

I guess he was due for a "lean cuisine" inning...

MWM
05-11-2005, 02:23 PM
Just checked in and 5 hits in 2 innings is not good. Looks like another long day for the relievers.

traderumor
05-11-2005, 02:24 PM
The lovely and talented Loretta grounds out to Randa, 2-1 Reds coming to batYou know, its really dumb, but I've always had a hard time appreciating Loretta as a ballplayer because of that last name.

gm
05-11-2005, 02:24 PM
Actually, I think the third baseman stepped on third to get the force on Griffey, then Casey was hung out to dry between third and home. He threw home and the catcher ran Casey back toward third and then threw back to third for the tag out.

Gameday said Casey was out at home, Griffey out at 3rd. Must've been a couple of quick relay throws...

traderumor
05-11-2005, 02:25 PM
Just checked in and 5 hits in 2 innings is not good. Looks like another long day for the relievers.We'll throw the Lizard at 'em. They won't know what hit 'em.

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 02:25 PM
Actually, I think the third baseman stepped on third to get the force on Griffey, then Casey was hung out to dry between third and home. He threw home and the catcher ran Casey back toward third and then threw back to third for the tag out.

I was just going off of what Yahoo was telling me. I'm not watching the game, so I'll defer to anyone that actually saw the play on TV, or heard it described on the radio.

OldRightHander
05-11-2005, 02:26 PM
I'm listening and going off what Marty said happened, so I didn't see the play myself. He said the third baseman forced Griffey at third, threw home, and then tagged Casey out when the catcher threw back to third.

oneupper
05-11-2005, 02:27 PM
I'm watching on MLB.TV. It was like ORH said.

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 02:27 PM
I'm watching on MLB.TV. It was like ORH said.

Either way, Randa sucked it. :laugh:

JaxRed
05-11-2005, 02:29 PM
Elizardo would make perfect sense if you need a long reliever today. You'll love this guy's delivery. Very effortless.

gm
05-11-2005, 02:29 PM
Wilson retires Klesko and Nevin
Giles walks, Burroughs singles
Greene HBP, bases drunk, 2 out

oneupper
05-11-2005, 02:30 PM
Either way, Randa sucked it. :laugh:

Yeah..nobody picked up on his mental error in the second.

Men on second and third..ball hit to Randa and he goes and tags the guy going from second to third. If Roberts (the runner) could have turned that into a rundown, the run from third (Stauffer) could have counted.

MWM
05-11-2005, 02:30 PM
Wilson won't make it past the All Star break. He's allergic to easy innings.

Puffy
05-11-2005, 02:30 PM
Alright!! Brian Giles did not, I repeat not, get a hit off Wilson this time.

He walked, but dagburnit, it wasn't a hit.

traderumor
05-11-2005, 02:31 PM
Wilson trying to implement the newest pitch to contact twist...hit a guy that kills you in the leg

gm
05-11-2005, 02:31 PM
Either way, Randa sucked it. :laugh:

Joe did the same thing that Fat Albert did against Graves back in April. Hard hit grounder to 3rd

hang with 'em

My bad, thought you were referring to the bases-loaded DP

gm
05-11-2005, 02:32 PM
Wilson retires Klesko and Nevin
Giles walks, Burroughs singles
Greene HBP, bases drunk, 2 out

Ojeda F-7, no damage

Puffy
05-11-2005, 02:33 PM
Good thing he retired Ojeda there, because that Stauffer dude has never made an out in major league career :eek:

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 02:34 PM
Joe did the same thing that Fat Albert did against Graves back in April. Hard hit grounder to 3rd

hang with 'em

Yea, I know, I'm just giving Randa a hard time, well, because, 1) he's not here, and 2) it's just sooo easy...

Roy Tucker
05-11-2005, 02:35 PM
Man, we are seeing some clutch hitting today.

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 02:36 PM
Lopez leads off by lining out to 2nd.

I'm hoping someone gets on board, so Dunn gets a crack at this guy after he hit him with a pitch.

gm
05-11-2005, 02:38 PM
Bottom 3rd, Lopez lines out to 2b
Casey singles
Junior walks

Puffy
05-11-2005, 02:38 PM
Casey with the single, Junior walks.

1st and 2nd for Dunn....

MWM
05-11-2005, 02:41 PM
There goes Dunn again, taking the easy walk and letting Randa do the heavy lifting. Who cares that there's now TWO runners in scoring position instead of one without wasting an out.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 02:41 PM
Leaves the heavy lifting for Randa... Again. ;)

gm
05-11-2005, 02:42 PM
Dunn walks, bases again drunk for the Joker, 1 out

Randa pops up to 2b, go kEARSnsie

westofyou
05-11-2005, 02:42 PM
http://voicespolice.free.fr/syncrhonicity.jpg

Reds Fanatic
05-11-2005, 02:43 PM
Randa pops out. 2 out.

traderumor
05-11-2005, 02:43 PM
Aurilia whammied Randa with his ugly stick

MWM
05-11-2005, 02:43 PM
jinx.

Puffy
05-11-2005, 02:44 PM
Joe Randa has now left a small village on the basepads today, and we're only in the third inning.....

OldRightHander
05-11-2005, 02:44 PM
That's why I don't like Randa batting behind Dunn. All that's going to do is get Dunn a ton of walks.

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 02:44 PM
http://voicespolice.free.fr/syncrhonicity.jpg


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

good one, woy.

Reds Fanatic
05-11-2005, 02:46 PM
Kearns strikes out. Bases left loaded.

Puffy
05-11-2005, 02:46 PM
Ugh.

Just ugh.

Roy Tucker
05-11-2005, 02:46 PM
Kearns K's to end the inning.

*Man*, we are seeing some clutch hitting today.

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 02:46 PM
Joe Randa has now left a small village on the basepads today, and we're only in the third inning.....

Sesame Street doesn't even sponsor a number greater than the number of men Randa has left on base today.

traderumor
05-11-2005, 02:47 PM
Cripes, bases loaded twice against a rookie and NO RUNS

gm
05-11-2005, 02:47 PM
can't spell Kearns without a K, on to the 4th

Red's offense = score in the 1st and take the rest of the day off?

smith288
05-11-2005, 02:47 PM
I thought I was going to like this lineup until the Dunn->Randa dynamic reveals itself.

WALK dunn, let Randa leave 'em on... Ugh.

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 02:47 PM
hey look I'm at 11,794 posts....AGAIN :laugh:

It's like Groundhog Day on redszone.

Falls City Beer
05-11-2005, 02:49 PM
Looks like the kid's got some hemp on his fastball. If it goes in the strikezone, the Reds don't look like they're doing much with it.

Roy Tucker
05-11-2005, 02:50 PM
Sesame Street doesn't even sponsor a number greater than the number of men Randa has left on base today.
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision.

lollipopcurve
05-11-2005, 02:50 PM
I have a feeling one of our OFrs is going to SD and Stauffer is coming back.

What more could we want for Kearns, say, than a gutsy GB artist filling up the #4 position in the rotation?

gm
05-11-2005, 02:50 PM
Dave Roberts = Brett frickin' Butler (bunt single following Stauffer's ground out)

smith288
05-11-2005, 02:50 PM
Reasons Freel will never be considered starter material doing stuff like that.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 02:51 PM
Ryan "Ritialin" Freel the man with the metabolism of a Squirrel does a Larry Bird without the grace.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:51 PM
Joe Randa has now left a small village on the basepads today, and we're only in the third inning.....of course you take no satisfaction in that.:D

Red Leader
05-11-2005, 02:53 PM
Why does Wilson always seem to get himself into trouble with the meat of the order coming up?

MWM
05-11-2005, 02:53 PM
How many starts for Wilson before he's yanked from the rotation? He's not been much better today than last outing.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Kleskos line vs Wilson prior to this game.

.538 .600 1.769 2.369

flyer85
05-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Why does Wilson always seem to get himself into trouble with the meat of the order coming up?he seems to get himself in trouble no matter what part of the order is coming up

ochre
05-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Why does Wilson always seem to get himself into trouble?
You'd have been ok leaving it at that.

Danny Serafini
05-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Time to update the Klesko stats - 8-16, 6HRs. 4-2 SD.

gm
05-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Loretta Singles, Klesko goes yard

4-2 SD, the humanity

smith288
05-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Wilson has the nerves of a rookie pitcher in his first start...oh wait a minute...nevermind.

Chip R
05-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Wilson is having problems out there - it must be the 4th inning. :help:

traderumor
05-11-2005, 02:55 PM
Just curious, where are all the folks who demanded that Wilson be signed in the offseason as a high priority? Lots of folks crying rivers for him to come back, yet strangely silent now. Where are you?

westofyou
05-11-2005, 02:55 PM
Just curious, where are all the folks who demanded that Wilson be signed in the offseason as a high priority? Lots of folks crying rivers for him to come back, yet strangely silent. Where are you?

Reds Live?

MWM
05-11-2005, 02:56 PM
Just curious, where are all the folks who demanded that Wilson be signed in the offseason as a high priority? Lots of folks crying rivers for him to come back, yet strangely silent. Where are you?

We also heard how re-signing him was evidence that DanO is on the right track.

gm
05-11-2005, 02:56 PM
Nevin pops up, 2 down
Giles singles (might as well plunk him)
Burroughs G-4, sideout

RedFanAlways1966
05-11-2005, 02:56 PM
Paul Wilson, after Klesko's HR... 1.83 WHIP, 7.55 ERA. Sample size not too small anymore.

:bang:

Reds Fanatic
05-11-2005, 02:57 PM
Burroughs grounds out. 4-2 SD middle of the 4th.

ochre
05-11-2005, 02:57 PM
Time to update the Klesko stats - 8-16, 6HRs.
Is that just today?

:)

Danny Serafini
05-11-2005, 02:57 PM
I'm starting to think Wilson is hurt and trying to gut it out instead of telling someone. He's not a star, but he's not THIS bad.

Roy Tucker
05-11-2005, 02:57 PM
We also heard how re-signing him was evidence that DanO is on the right track.
The problem is, that right track is the 3rd rail.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 02:58 PM
trying to gut it out instead of telling someone.

Common fallacy of the "leaders" on recent Reds teams. They refuse to step back when their game is substandard. In turn it's seen as "gallant"

I see it as stupid and selfish.

RedFanAlways1966
05-11-2005, 02:59 PM
We also heard how re-signing him was evidence that DanO is on the right track.

Change one letter and "track" becomes "crack"...

:evil:

REDREAD
05-11-2005, 02:59 PM
Just curious, where are all the folks who demanded that Wilson be signed in the offseason as a high priority? Lots of folks crying rivers for him to come back, yet strangely silent now. Where are you?

I didn't think it was a HUGE priority, but I liked it.. Why? Because if Wilson wasn't signed then we'd be watching Jerome Robertson right now.
I expected Wilson to be mediocre, but not this awful though.

I mainly liked the Wilson signing because we have no depth at all at starting pitching.

I wonder if Wilson is injured?

gm
05-11-2005, 02:59 PM
I'm starting to think Wilson is hurt and trying to gut it out instead of telling someone. He's not a star, but he's not THIS bad.

Ben Weber syndrome. Schedule an MRI and see what the Lizard can do?

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:00 PM
As it turns out I am just happy they didn't give Wilson $8M a year like they did some other pitcher whose career has been defined by being below league average.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 03:00 PM
Why? Because if Wilson wasn't signed then we'd be watching Jerome Robertson right now.

Assumption, the money was there, why do you think it was only there for Wilson?

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:01 PM
I didn't think it was a HUGE priority, but I liked it.. Why? Because if Wilson wasn't signed then we'd be watching Jerome Robertson right now.
At least we wouldn't be paying him $4M+ to kick us in the soft parts.

gm
05-11-2005, 03:01 PM
LaRue pops up...wonder if Jason's hurt and gallantly hiding it?

Wilson Ks, evidently Dave and Don haven't seen enough of Paulie

Chip R
05-11-2005, 03:01 PM
Ben Weber syndrome. Schedule an MRI and see what the Lizard can do?And if nothing shows up, bribe someone to retouch the results.

ochre
05-11-2005, 03:01 PM
The problem is, that right track is the 3rd rail.
signing Paul Wilson is like repealing social security? :)

Another use of the term third rail is to denote a political idea or topic that is so unpopular that a politician or public official who suggests it becomes the subject of public derision; for example, a politician who would advocate the repeal of the US Social Security program. The analogy is that touching the third rail results in instant death.

Roy Tucker
05-11-2005, 03:01 PM
I think I would have PH for Wilson here and said "nice try today Paul, but I think you need a rest".

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:02 PM
Someone performs poorly and people think their hurt. Maybe the answer is they weren't all that good to begin with.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 03:03 PM
LaRue pops up...wonder if Jason's hurt and gallantly hiding it?

Catchers are always hurt... gallant too.

traderumor
05-11-2005, 03:04 PM
I'm starting to think Wilson is hurt and trying to gut it out instead of telling someone. He's not a star, but he's not THIS bad.

Yea, he is.

gm
05-11-2005, 03:04 PM
Freel Ks, Red's offense let rookie pitcher off the hook, and now he's dealing

Falls City Beer
05-11-2005, 03:05 PM
This kid is flat-out murdering the Reds' righthanded hitters.

TylerScottDavis
05-11-2005, 03:06 PM
The race to 100 pitches

Wilson - 80
Stauffer - 84

Thru 4

Can Wilson actually throw that many??? (shudder...)

traderumor
05-11-2005, 03:06 PM
I didn't think it was a HUGE priority, but I liked it.. Why? Because if Wilson wasn't signed then we'd be watching Jerome Robertson right now.
I expected Wilson to be mediocre, but not this awful though.

I mainly liked the Wilson signing because we have no depth at all at starting pitching.

I wonder if Wilson is injured?Jeroime Robertson could probably at least post a 5 something ERA. Wilson is throwing the same as he always does, sometimes guys catch them, either in the field of play, here lately mostly the fat guys in the seats have been fighting over them.

REDREAD
05-11-2005, 03:07 PM
Assumption, the money was there, why do you think it was only there for Wilson?

I'm sure you could find a 4 million dollar pitcher that was signed last season that was better than Wilson. But would he be willing to come to Cincy? Remember, Wilson was the first signing, there was no indication of the big spending spree. In fact, after Wilson was signed, DanO said starting pitching was no longer a priority.

So I was happy to get what I thought was an average pitcher as opposed to a known horrible one being in the rotation (Acevado or Robertson).

Naturally, it looks really bad now that Wilson has imploded. But I don't think anyone predicted he'd be this bad.

Anyhow, I'm explaining the reasoning at the time. If I had known at the time Wilson was signed that DanO was sitting on 18 million payflex, I would've thought differently.

Not saying I was right by any means, but there was also a lot of posters that overcriticized DanO's offseason moves. Some turned out ok. IMO, it's a lot easier to be an armchair GM and say the Reds should've just blown the entire wad on Lowe and Clement now.. But would those guys have wanted to come here?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of DanO. I admit that I got overly optimistic about the moves he made. But geez, no one predicted Wilson would be THIS bad.

Falls City Beer
05-11-2005, 03:09 PM
Oh the ignominious fate of being K'ed by Paul Wilson.

MWM
05-11-2005, 03:09 PM
Man, that Felipe Lopez sure doesn't know how to throw the ball over to first, does he? :cool:

gm
05-11-2005, 03:10 PM
Common fallacy of the "leaders" on recent Reds teams. They refuse to step back when their game is substandard. In turn it's seen as "gallant"

I see it as stupid and selfish.

What's sauce for the Casey is sauce for the Larkin (although I'd say "step aside")

Raisor
05-11-2005, 03:11 PM
He must've interned under Niehaus

hey now, Dave Neihaus is the MAN.

I HEART Dave.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:11 PM
I'm sure you could find a 4 million dollar pitcher that was signed last season that was better than Wilson. But would he be willing to come to Cincy? My suggestion was Loiaza.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 03:12 PM
I was happy to get what I thought was an average pitcher

were you happy when he was slotted number one? Not me, average is average, Paul Wilson's career and stuff is below average, that's what the numbers say.

I listen to the numbers most of the time.

gm
05-11-2005, 03:12 PM
Greene flies out
Ojeda whiffs
Stauffer G-6

gO rEdz!

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:14 PM
I listen to the numbers most of the time.ah ... comforting to know our front office doesn't:help:

pedro
05-11-2005, 03:14 PM
My suggestion was Loiaza.

He'd never fit in with the Reds. He's only given up 2 HR's in 7 games.

REDREAD
05-11-2005, 03:14 PM
Jeroime Robertson could probably at least post a 5 something ERA. .

Sadly, I think we'll get a chance to see what Jeroime can do before the season is over :(

Obviously the Wilson signing has blown up in our faces, I'm not defending it.

Just saying why at the time, it didn't seem that bad, based on the little info we had. Heck, if DanO didn't sign Wilson, Milton and get Ortiz (as many posters wanted him to do.. sit tight and do nothing if that's the best he could do).. If DanO did nothing, can you imagine how terrible this team would be?

Rotation: Claussen, Robertson, Besisle, Acevado, Harang..

Again, I agree DanO has made more bad choices than good ones, but if Wilson repeats what he did in 2004, then it would've been an excellent signing. (Yes, I know that is a big if).

gm
05-11-2005, 03:15 PM
hey now, Dave Neihaus is the MAN.

I HEART Dave.

I brake for Mariner's updates

(gag reflex)

Reds Fanatic
05-11-2005, 03:15 PM
Junior singles

westofyou
05-11-2005, 03:15 PM
hey now, Dave Neihaus is the MAN.

I HEART Dave.

Dave is the metal chair leg dragging across the floor of MLB radio

The Padres annoucer is the english police siren of MLB radio.

Marty is the grumpy old man sitting in front of the barbershop of MLB radio.

Reds Fanatic
05-11-2005, 03:16 PM
Dunn flies out to left. 4-2 SD after 5.

gm
05-11-2005, 03:16 PM
Lopez G-3
Casey F-9
Junior singles

Gameday says 3 outs, but no explanation re: how Dunn was retired

pedro
05-11-2005, 03:16 PM
I listen to the numbers most of the time.

Apparently DanO believes "3" is the magic number, since he likes #3 starters so much.

Really, I'm not sure anyone on the Reds other than Harang could be a #3 on any other team in the majors. And he might be a push.

Falls City Beer
05-11-2005, 03:16 PM
This kid must actually be pretty tough to hit. He's made a bunch of good hitters look bad all day long.

REDREAD
05-11-2005, 03:17 PM
were you happy when he was slotted number one? Not me, average is average, .

Nope, wasn't happy he was our ace. Was happy to get what I thought was a better pitcher than Robertson or Acevado in the rotation. When you're at rock bottom (as the Reds are in pitching), you take incremental improvements.

But at least I'm admiting I liked the Wilson signing, and I was wrong.. At least I'm not going back into the old threads and editing my comments :laugh:
(I'm not accusing you or anyone of doing that, but it cracks me up that people here actually do that). Yes, I liked the signing, it blew up in our faces. I was wrong, and it won't be the last time :laugh:

Raisor
05-11-2005, 03:18 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of DanO. I admit that I got overly optimistic about the moves he made. But geez, no one predicted Wilson would be THIS bad.


I said, on more then one occasion, that Wilson could fall off the map at any minute.

Dude's arm is held on by paperclips, rubberbands, and painter's putty for goodness sakes.

MWM
05-11-2005, 03:19 PM
I said, on more then one occasion, that Wilson could fall off the map at any minute.

:wave:

westofyou
05-11-2005, 03:21 PM
Apparently DanO believes "3" is the magic number, since he likes #3 starters so much.

Really, I'm not sure anyone on the Reds other than Harang could be a #3 on any other team in the majors. And he might be a push.

He likes Prime Numbers

Falls City Beer
05-11-2005, 03:21 PM
Looks like Pauly's the sacrificial lamb today. He's being put in a spot where he WILL fail here in the 6th.

REDREAD
05-11-2005, 03:21 PM
I said, on more then one occasion, that Wilson could fall off the map at any minute.

Dude's arm is held on by paperclips, rubberbands, and painter's putty for goodness sakes.

True, you did say that.. I think most posters just used the ambiguous reasoning that surely someone better could've been gotten for the same $$. I'm not sure that was possible, given that Lindner and Allen have turned Cincy into the baseball Siberia. It took a lot of lobbying by Casey and others just to get the mediocre FAs that we did get to come here.

TylerScottDavis
05-11-2005, 03:21 PM
I hope I'm wrong, but keeping Wilson out there for the 6th could be a really bad idea...hope somebody moving around in the pen

pedro
05-11-2005, 03:22 PM
This kid must actually be pretty tough to hit. He's made a bunch of good hitters look bad all day long.

from espn.com

Tim Stauffer was the fourth overall pick in the 2003 draft. The University of Richmond right-hander had a dominant '03 college season, going 9-5 with a 1.97 ERA and a 146/19 K/BB ratio in 114 innings. Most experts felt he was no more than a year away from being ready to compete in the majors, making him a fine pick at fourth overall. But a post-draft physical examination revealed shoulder weakness. To his credit, Stauffer told the Padres about the injury. His honesty cost him financially, the Padres reducing his bonus from $2.6 million to $750,000, but it was a strong testament to his character. The soreness cleared up without surgery, and Stauffer was healthy and effective in 2004.

Scouting report
Stauffer's fastball isn't spectacular in terms of velocity. He's usually at 89-91 mph, sometimes a notch higher. But his heater has good movement and he commands it well. The pitch looks faster than it is due to the contrast with his other offerings: a changeup, a standard curveball, a knucklecurve, and a cut fastball he will use in slider counts. Stauffer demonstrates excellent command of all his pitches.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:23 PM
too bad we have DanO, we could have had Dean Taylor. Wait DanO brought him in. I guess they make a good pair of _____.

Go ahead and fill in the blank.

gm
05-11-2005, 03:23 PM
Dave Roberts = Brett ^*@#% Butler, singles
Loretta doubles
Wilson out, Stone in

gm
05-11-2005, 03:26 PM
Klesko F-8, runners stay put
Nevin F-8, sac fly, 5-2, 2 outs

pedro
05-11-2005, 03:26 PM
He likes Prime Numbers

and apparently getting good pitchers would violate Star Treks "prime directive"

PRIME DIRECTIVE


As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Star Fleet personnel may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture. Such interference includes the introduction of superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely. Star Fleet personnel may not violate this Prime Directive, even to save their lives and/or their ship unless they are acting to right an earlier violation or an accidental contamination of said culture. This directive takes precedence over any and all other considerations, and carries with it the highest moral
obligation.

Puffy
05-11-2005, 03:26 PM
Dave Roberts and Mark Loretta are now 7 for 8 on the day. When your top two hitters go 7 for 8 thru 6 innings, well you are going to score mucho runs.

gm
05-11-2005, 03:28 PM
Giles IBB (shoulda just plunked him)

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:28 PM
Dave Roberts and Mark Loretta are now 7 for 8 on the day. When your top two hitters go 7 for 8 thru 6 innings, well you are going to score mucho runs.

[waterboy voice] That's some high quality hitting [/waterboy voice]

gm
05-11-2005, 03:30 PM
Burroughs singles to left, but Loretta can't score, bases drunk

Greene F-7, bottom 6, 5-2 Fathers

BuckU
05-11-2005, 03:30 PM
Good work Stone...

Reds Fanatic
05-11-2005, 03:31 PM
Greene flies out to end the inning. 5-2 SD middle of the 6th.

pedro
05-11-2005, 03:31 PM
man are the Reds lucky they've only given up 5 runs. What's that? 15 baserunners in 6 innings?

traderumor
05-11-2005, 03:32 PM
This should actually be about a tie game. We let the kid off the hook big time twice.

SteelSD
05-11-2005, 03:32 PM
man are the Reds lucky they've only given up 5 runs. What's that? 15 baserunners in 6 innings?

I'm waiting for someone to show up to tell us that Wilson did a great job keeping the Reds in the game.

smith288
05-11-2005, 03:33 PM
You team suck lately? Their bats look like took the week off? Well just experience (insert Reds opponents name here) baseball when they travel to Cincinnati to take on the Reds and light up their "pitching" for 3 games. Hitless streaks bid farewell when every marginal player rakes the ball all over the Great American Ballpark.

flyer85
05-11-2005, 03:33 PM
We let the kid off the hook big time twice.If they didn't they wouldn't be the Reds.

gm
05-11-2005, 03:34 PM
man are the Reds lucky they've only given up 5 runs. What's that? 15 baserunners in 6 innings?

Damage control. If I was a SD fan I'd be worried that the Reds were still "hanging around"

But I'm not, and they've got Hoffman. Better tie it before the 9th

smith288
05-11-2005, 03:36 PM
Sounds like a RedsZoner wrote marty&steve :lol:

OldRightHander
05-11-2005, 03:37 PM
I'm waiting for someone to show up to tell us that Wilson did a great job keeping the Reds in the game.

You know what? I think Wilson did really well keeping the Reds within striking distance. He kept us in the game. What more can we ask?

pedro
05-11-2005, 03:37 PM
Marty Just Said "what The Hell Do You Need With 13 Pitchers"

TeamCasey
05-11-2005, 03:37 PM
Thanks for the updates, guys. Heading out of here pretty soon.

smith288
05-11-2005, 03:37 PM
Marty Just Said "what The Hell Do You Need With 13 Pitchers" He read that from an emailer.

Reds Fanatic
05-11-2005, 03:37 PM
Reds go down 1-2-3 in the 6th. 5-2 SD after 6.

westofyou
05-11-2005, 03:37 PM
http://fusionanomaly.net/tooterturtlemrwizard.jpg

"Help me, Mr. Wizard! I don't want to be disappointed anymore!"

gm
05-11-2005, 03:38 PM
the Joker lines out to 3rd
Kearns taps back to the mound
LaRue pops up to 2nd

on to the 7th...

SteelSD
05-11-2005, 03:39 PM
Marty Just Said "what The Hell Do You Need With 13 Pitchers"

Dan O'Brien believes that if you play in a room full of nothing but horse manure, eventually you'll find a pony.

traderumor
05-11-2005, 03:40 PM
This team is definately taking on the personality of the manager. Boring, no sense of urgency, showing up every day because there's a game, having two or three decisions a game to make and screwing them up...feel free to add on

Reds Fanatic
05-11-2005, 03:40 PM
Ramirez in to pitch, Valentin in to catch

Puffy
05-11-2005, 03:40 PM
Hey, Dave Roberts with a chance to go 5 for 5 later this inning. Stay tuned......

BuckU
05-11-2005, 03:40 PM
Man is LaRue lost out there...

gm
05-11-2005, 03:40 PM
The Lizard is on the mound...and he strikes out Ojeda

Reds Fanatic
05-11-2005, 03:42 PM
Ojeda strikes out looking. 1 out.

RFS62
05-11-2005, 03:42 PM
http://fusionanomaly.net/tooterturtlemrwizard.jpg

"Help me, Mr. Wizard! I don't want to be disappointed anymore!"


Drizzle, Drazzle, Druzzle, Drone....

Time for this one to go home....

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_110383.jpg

gm
05-11-2005, 03:42 PM
Sweeney batting for Stauffer

westofyou
05-11-2005, 03:43 PM
Drizzle, Drazzle, Druzzle, Drone....

Time for this one to go home....



Tooter is the Reds new mascot, he never knew what he was and never could find it either.

gm
05-11-2005, 03:44 PM
Sweeney doubles...go ahead and plunk Roberts, here

Roberts lines out to Kearns, 2 down

Gullett to the mound to talk strategy about...Loretta?

RFS62
05-11-2005, 03:44 PM
Tooter is the Reds new mascot, he never knew what he was and never could find it either.

And, he's faster than Casey.

wheels
05-11-2005, 03:45 PM
You know what? I think Wilson did really well keeping the Reds within striking distance. He kept us in the game. What more can we ask?

I dunno....Holding the opposition to maybe just two runs, striking out a few batters, ya know....Generally being a good pitcher.

Haven't seen enough of that lately, and excuses just won't cut it with me anymore.

I want performance, period.

Oh yeah, and dominance every now and then would be nice too.

pedro
05-11-2005, 03:45 PM
Dan O'Brien believes that if you play in a room full of nothing but horse manure, eventually you'll find a pony.

I hope it's a "magic pony"

smith288
05-11-2005, 03:46 PM
Roberts can suck an egg! HA!

westofyou
05-11-2005, 03:46 PM
Reds so far

289 innings pitched

341 hits given up.

Kearns is a gem in the field, that is a given.

pedro
05-11-2005, 03:47 PM
I know someone is watching this (maybe on mlb.tv) how's the "lizard" look?

westofyou
05-11-2005, 03:48 PM
I know someone is watching this (maybe on mlb.tv) how's the "lizard" look?

http://www.propmasters.net/images/ENEMY%20MINE%20MASK%202ND%20SHOT.jpg

pedro
05-11-2005, 03:48 PM
Well he's settling right in.

Loretta with a double.

sweeney scores, padres up 6-2

RFS62
05-11-2005, 03:49 PM
He's gonna fit in just fine

oneupper
05-11-2005, 03:49 PM
I know someone is watching this (maybe on mlb.tv) how's the "lizard" look?

He looks like he's 16!