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OnBaseMachine
05-15-2005, 01:52 PM
1 Ryan Freel, 3B
2 Felipe Lopez, SS
3 Sean Casey, 1B
4 Ken Griffey Jr., CF
5 Adam Dunn, LF
6 Austin Kearns, RF
7 D'Angelo Jimenez, 2B
8 Javier Valentin, C
9 Elizardo Ramirez, P

1 Jimmy Rollins, SS
2 Endy Chavez, CF
3 Bobby Abreu, RF
4 Pat Burrell, LF
5 Chase Utley, 2B
6 Placido Polanco, 3B
7 Ryan Howard, 1B
8 Todd Pratt, C
9 Vicente Padilla, P

pedro
05-15-2005, 01:55 PM
Casey has been batting # 3 all year and yet only has a 13 runs and 14 RBI's. Sad.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 02:02 PM
Casey has been batting # 3 all year and yet only has a 13 runs and 14 RBI's. Sad.

For those of you keep your own perverse scorecard at home that's 7.6 of the teams runs and 8.6 % of the Teams RBI's in 11.4% of the teams total AB's.

In the 5th slot Dunn has accounted for 9.1% of the teams ab's, 14% of the runs scored and 14,8% of the RBI's

Ravenlord
05-15-2005, 02:05 PM
For those of you keep your own perverse scorecard at home that's 7.6 of the teams runs and 8.6 % of the Teams RBI's in 11.4% of the teams total AB's.

In the 5th slot Dunn has accounted for 9.1% of the teams ab's, 14% of the runs scored and 14,8% of the RBI'sso you're saying that Dunn should be hitting third and not Casey? BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY I SAY!!! who are you to question the wisdom of the baseball man?!

;) :rolleyes:

rdiersin
05-15-2005, 02:06 PM
worst part of it is if Kearns continues to heat up, Dunn will be back to batting 6th. Gotta break up the lefties ;)

pedro
05-15-2005, 02:08 PM
I want to know where I can get a "perverse" score card. That might make some of these games more interesting.

BTW- Casey is batting .314 with runners in scoring position (KRISP) so apparently that's not the key to driving runners in that some believe it to be.

paintmered
05-15-2005, 02:10 PM
I want to know where I can get a "perverse" score card. That might make some of these games more interesting.


They magically appear when you live in a basement and never see the light of day. ;) :p:


(That is some really good stuff WOY)

pedro
05-15-2005, 02:12 PM
They magically appear when you live in a basement and never see the light of day. ;) :p:


(That is some really good stuff WOY)

His basement does have windows. Sometimes they're even open. :eek:

Larkin Fan
05-15-2005, 02:12 PM
For those of you keep your own perverse scorecard at home that's 7.6 of the teams runs and 8.6 % of the Teams RBI's in 11.4% of the teams total AB's.

In the 5th slot Dunn has accounted for 9.1% of the teams ab's, 14% of the runs scored and 14,8% of the RBI's

Quite ironic that the most productive hitter is hitting fifth isn't it?

Puffy
05-15-2005, 02:19 PM
Adam Dunn is clearly not the Reds most productive hitter. He strikes out way too much, his BATTING AVERAGE is horrible in those sitations, and he is not the least bit KRISPy.

The fact that he leads the Reds in both runs scored and runs driven in are mirages.

Plus, its Dunn fault that Larue and Kearns aren't hitting (They see Dunn on ESPN and want to join him on the highlights so they swing for the fences, hence their struggles) and if you take out all the games in which Dunn has had a hit then he is batting .000.

You guys need to get off your spreadsheets and calculators and learn this.

RosieRed
05-15-2005, 02:23 PM
All joking aside, here's hoping Elizardo throws a good game today. That, or the Reds score 12 runs again. :)

rdiersin
05-15-2005, 02:25 PM
You guys need to get off your spreadsheets and calculators and learn this.

Spreadsheets and calculators are for wusses. Run baseball analysis with MATLAB and Mathematica, fun for hours.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 02:28 PM
What is also amazing is that Dunn has 13 runs scored (non HR)when he has this behind him.

#7 Reds .225/.268/.420/.689

#8 Reds .240/.320/.349/.669

RosieRed
05-15-2005, 02:29 PM
Vicente Padilla has an ERA higher than any of our starters do (9.something). :eek: What's behind that? Multiple bad outings? One really bad outing?

paintmered
05-15-2005, 02:29 PM
Mathematica

:bang: :bang:

Just when I thought I had forgotten about that program.

RosieRed
05-15-2005, 02:31 PM
What is also amazing is that Dunn has 13 runs scored (non HR)when he has this behind him.

#7 Reds .225/.268/.420/.689

#8 Reds .240/.320/.349/.669

He leads the majors in percentage of hits for EBH. It's around .750.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 02:31 PM
Vicente Padilla has an ERA higher than any of our starters do (9.something). :eek: What's behind that? Multiple bad outings? One really bad outing?

Jimmy Andersonitis

oneupper
05-15-2005, 02:31 PM
Endy Chavez makes his first start as a Phillie

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 02:32 PM
Vicente Padilla has an ERA higher than any of our starters do (9.something). :eek: What's behind that? Multiple bad outings? One really bad outing?
Padilla has had 5 starts this year and had not went beyond 5 innings in any start. He has given up 8 runs once, 4 runs 3 times and 2 runs in the other start.

paintmered
05-15-2005, 02:33 PM
Padilla has had 5 starts this year and had not went beyond 5 innings in any start. He has given up 8 runs once, 4 runs 3 times and 2 runs in the other start.

So in other words, he is going to toss eight innings of three-hit ball against us today.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 02:33 PM
He leads the majors in percentage of hits for EBH. It's around .750.

Sounds sketchy Rosie... what's his numbers on days without an S in it?

Don't forget the micro.

OnBaseMachine
05-15-2005, 02:33 PM
Padilla has served up 6 homers in 20.1 innings. Here's to hoping Dunn, Kearns, and Griff can connect against him today. :beerme:

westofyou
05-15-2005, 02:34 PM
Endy Chavez makes his first start as a Phillie

Woo Hoo my Hacking mass CF... currently #187

SteelSD
05-15-2005, 02:35 PM
He leads the majors in percentage of hits for EBH. It's around .750.

Well, he is teh suck then because that shows how few singles he hits. Complete players hit lots of singles.

Maybe he needs to swing less hard?

RosieRed
05-15-2005, 02:36 PM
Sounds sketchy Rosie... what's his numbers on days without an S in it?

Don't forget the micro.

Wish I could tell you the answer, but my calculator only has numbers on it. :p: ;)

Thanks for the Padilla info everyone. :)

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 02:38 PM
Freel leads off with a double

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 02:38 PM
Freel...WTG WOOHOO!!!

RosieRed
05-15-2005, 02:38 PM
Freel is "pure hustle" according to Marty. Go Freel go!

paintmered
05-15-2005, 02:38 PM
Freel is scrappy.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 02:38 PM
Freel leads off with a double


No that was a single and with smart, aggressive baserunning gets a double! :beerme:

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 02:39 PM
Wow, that great pbp yesterday and no rep points? Tsk tsk. :whimper:

BCubb2003
05-15-2005, 02:39 PM
Phillies fans give booing a bad name. They boo so often they have diluted it of its power.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 02:39 PM
Lopez flies out to center. Freel goes to 3rd.

SteelSD
05-15-2005, 02:40 PM
Phillies fans give booing a bad name. They boo so often they have diluted it of its power.

So they're too boo? ;)

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 02:42 PM
Casey walks. 1st and 3rd with one out.

paintmered
05-15-2005, 02:42 PM
if you can read this, you should be in chat

remdog
05-15-2005, 02:42 PM
Re: Phillies. In the Power Rankings in the Enqui this morning I think the Phills were ranked right behind the Reds. The comment I liked was that the Phils were the Reds with a bigger payroll. Padilla would seem to fit in as a Reds starter.... ;)

Chip R
05-15-2005, 02:43 PM
Wasn't Padilla the guy who beaned Casey a few years ago?

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 02:43 PM
Junior strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

RFS62
05-15-2005, 02:44 PM
Phillies fans give booing a bad name. They boo so often they have diluted it of its power.


Yeah, a mild boo there is a sign of affection.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 02:45 PM
Dunn walks on 4 pitches. Bases loaded for Kearns.

RosieRed
05-15-2005, 02:46 PM
Wasn't Padilla the guy who beaned Casey a few years ago?

In the head?

remdog
05-15-2005, 02:47 PM
This is were Kearns can earn his money. A few games of hot hitting behind Dunn and Adam will be getting a lot more hittable pitches.

Rem

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 02:47 PM
Kearns breaks his bat and grounds out to 3rd. 0-0 Mid 1st.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 02:47 PM
Wow, how did we let them off the hook? *sigh*

redsfaninbsg
05-15-2005, 02:47 PM
Bad ab by Kearns. 5 straight balls had been thrown and he swings.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 02:49 PM
Come on Lizard!

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 02:50 PM
Rollins flies out to left. 1 out.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 02:50 PM
Good hustle by Dunn....F-7. 1 out

M2
05-15-2005, 02:52 PM
Phillies fans give booing a bad name. They boo so often they have diluted it of its power.

They've turned it into a regional addiction.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 02:52 PM
Chavez grounds out to short. 2 outs.

Chip R
05-15-2005, 02:53 PM
In the head?Yeah. I think it was in Cincy. Casey was out for a couple of games because of that. Not sure if it was in Cinergy or GAB. I saw Padilla was pitching Casey inside and thought he may have been trying to stir up some bad memories for Casey.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 02:53 PM
Abreu grounds out to 1st. 1-2-3 1st for Ramirez. 0-0 after 1.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 02:54 PM
Fantastic start for the Lizard. Figuring in nerves and such, great first inning :beerme: Here is to about 6 more of them :D

RedlegJake
05-15-2005, 02:54 PM
Nice first inning for E-Liz

paintmered
05-15-2005, 02:54 PM
Hey you. (yeah, you)


GET TO CHAT!!!

RosieRed
05-15-2005, 02:55 PM
Chat's open! And Paint is giving away free beer in there! :party:

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 02:55 PM
And, for the last time, dammit....I'M SPARTACUS

paintmered
05-15-2005, 02:55 PM
Chat's open! And Paint is giving away free beer in there! :party:


Yeah I am. Rosie is already tanked.

Caveat Emperor
05-15-2005, 02:56 PM
So far so good for Elizardo...though the book on him is that he doesn't have a true "out" pitch, so we'll see how well it all works as he goes deeper into the ballgame...

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 02:57 PM
Jimenez called out on strikes. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 02:58 PM
Valentin grounds out to short. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 02:59 PM
Ramirez grounds out to short. 0-0 Mid 2nd.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 03:01 PM
Ramirez grounds out to short. 0-0 Mid 2nd.


Good hustle on that too. Granted he's young, pumped up, and should hustle, but still, it was good to see.

M2
05-15-2005, 03:02 PM
I had an argument with two relatives last year who insisted Jimmy Rollins is an excellent hitter and a miserable fielder. Supposedly he commits too many errors.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:03 PM
Burrell flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:04 PM
Utley hits a long homer to right. 1-0 Phillies

RFS62
05-15-2005, 03:05 PM
Look like Ramierez is fitting right in.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:06 PM
Polanco bloops a single to center.

Caveat Emperor
05-15-2005, 03:07 PM
Look like Ramierez is fitting right in.

Apparently Don Gullett can give crummy advice in multiple languages...

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:07 PM
Howard doubles to left. 2nd and 3rd with one out.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 03:07 PM
No Bumbus Jones apperance here today.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 03:07 PM
Do NOT allow this kid near Wilson or Milton...they are rubbing off on him :sigh:

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:10 PM
Pratt strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 03:10 PM
Very nice comeback with that pitch by Lizard. Much needed K...now impress me...finish Padilla off w/o giving up another run .

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:12 PM
Padilla grounds out to short. 1-0 Phillies after 2.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 03:12 PM
VERY good damage control. So far, I am impressed with his ability to recover. Sit closer to Harang :D

Chip R
05-15-2005, 03:12 PM
Good thing Lopez is playing SS. If Aurelia is playing there it'd be 3-0 Phils.

M2
05-15-2005, 03:13 PM
Howard doubles to left. 2nd and 3rd with one out.

I'm baffled as to how Polanco didn't score on that.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 03:13 PM
I'm baffled as to how Polanco didn't score on that.

The Giant Chaw in his mouth cuts into his speed.

RedlegJake
05-15-2005, 03:14 PM
No running on Dunn the Gun, thats why

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 03:14 PM
Noone else is impressed with the kid not collapsing? Maybe I've just become conditioned with the Reds MO of implosion.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 03:14 PM
Good thing Lopez is playing SS. If Aurelia is playing there it'd be 3-0 Phils.

Yeah, but you're discounting the leadership qualities.

redsfan30
05-15-2005, 03:14 PM
Ramirez looks to have a very good breaking ball.

Nasty curve.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:16 PM
Freel grounds out to short. 1 out.

BCubb2003
05-15-2005, 03:16 PM
People say he doesn't have an out pitch but he seems to have something nastier than what we're used to seeing.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:17 PM
Lopez grounds to to 3rd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:18 PM
Casey walks

westofyou
05-15-2005, 03:19 PM
It's cool that The Phillies hired Huckleberry Hound to manage their team, he was always a fave of mine.

Casey walked twice in this game... leaving the heavy lifting for Griffey.

Caveat Emperor
05-15-2005, 03:19 PM
It's good to see Casey being more selective. Not like he's had much of a choice, given these pitches...but still, he's making double plays because he's letting pitchers handle him.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:21 PM
Junior flies out to right. 1-0 Phillies mid 3rd.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 03:21 PM
Chris is channeling somebody from SABR

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:23 PM
Good play by Freel. 1 out.

M2
05-15-2005, 03:25 PM
Welsh was trying to say Dunn's been a good hitter all year and started with "Sure, he takes a lot of walks ..."

In other words, walks are bad, but he's hit enough to make up for it. Chris, Chris, Chris, you're paid to know better.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:25 PM
Chavez lines out to left. 2 outs.

Chip R
05-15-2005, 03:25 PM
Yeah, but you're discounting the leadership qualities.I know. It'd be 3-0 but by God we'd have good leadership. :)

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:27 PM
Abreu walks

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:29 PM
Burrell grounds out to 2nd. 1-0 Phillies after 3.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 03:29 PM
I know. It'd be 3-0 but by God we'd have good leadership. :)

True... someone has to tip over the buffet table after a loss.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:32 PM
Dunn leads off with a walk.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:36 PM
Kearns lines a double to left. 2nd and 3rd with no outs.

M2
05-15-2005, 03:36 PM
I know Aurilia, Randa and Kearns are seeing a high percentage of PAs with runners on base, but I'd love to see the team breakdown by batting position.

Hoosier Red
05-15-2005, 03:36 PM
True... someone has to tip over the buffet table after a loss.
Especially now that Jimmy Anderson isn't here.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:37 PM
Jimenez fouls out to 3rd. 1 out.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 03:37 PM
Release Jimenez. He's beyond useless.

WVRedsFan
05-15-2005, 03:38 PM
Jiminez, unfortunately, has become totally worthless at the plate. What in the world is wrong with him?

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:39 PM
Valentin walks. Bases loaded with one out.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 03:40 PM
I know Aurilia, Randa and Kearns are seeing a high percentage of PAs with runners on base, but I'd love to see the team breakdown by batting position.



.241 .359 .298 .657
.295 .370 .473 .842
.278 .315 .371 .686
.277 .367 .467 .834
.264 .429 .711 1.140
.326 .399 .570 .969
.225 .268 .420 .689
.192 .295 .275 .570

Hoosier Red
05-15-2005, 03:40 PM
Valentin walks. Bases loaded with one out.

Strike out lizard!!
NO GIDP!

redsfaninbsg
05-15-2005, 03:41 PM
That was sad.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:41 PM
Ramirez grounds into a 6-4-3 double play. 1-0 Phillies mid 4th.

Chip R
05-15-2005, 03:41 PM
Good thing Lizard didn't strike out. :rolleyes:

Caveat Emperor
05-15-2005, 03:41 PM
Letting him swing the bat at all with a hot-hitting Ryan Freel on deck is beyond insane...

WVRedsFan
05-15-2005, 03:42 PM
How stupid was letting the pitcher hit into a DP? As wild as Paillla is, my insturctions would have been to take pitches until you strike out or walk.

Good Lord, if our pitchers walk five batters in four innings, we're already down by 4 or 5. Poor judgement by management on that one.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 03:43 PM
Unreal. Just K, you idiot. Oh I forgot, K-ing is a DanO/Dave Miley ubersin. What a bunch of feces.

Ten bucks says Ramirez gets rocked this inning, too.

The Saint Louis Cardinals or the Astros would NEVER commit a mistake like that. EVER.

M2
05-15-2005, 03:44 PM
Jiminez has been slowly putting it together of late. He's .313/.353/.438 over the past week. I won't be the least bit surprised if his May numbers wind up looking fairly solid, making this April the one bad month in his Reds career to date.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:44 PM
Utley grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

WVRedsFan
05-15-2005, 03:45 PM
Unreal. Just K, you idiot. Oh I forgot, K-ing is a DanO/Dave Miley ubersin. What a bunch of feces.

Ten bucks says Ramirez gets rocked this inning, too.

If you're the manager, you instruct your pitcher to take pitches. Unfortunately, our manager just gets another dip of Skoal and watches. Unbelievable.

Chip R
05-15-2005, 03:45 PM
I wonder if the "take" sign is the same in Spanish as it is in English.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:45 PM
Polanco lines a double to left center.

M2
05-15-2005, 03:45 PM
.241 .359 .298 .657
.295 .370 .473 .842
.278 .315 .371 .686
.277 .367 .467 .834
.264 .429 .711 1.140
.326 .399 .570 .969
.225 .268 .420 .689
.192 .295 .275 .570

Got the total PA's?

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:46 PM
Howard grounds out to short. Runner goes to 3rd. 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 03:46 PM
Jiminez has been slowly putting it together of late. He's .313/.353/.438 over the past week. I won't be the least bit surprised if his May numbers wind up looking fairly solid, making this April the one bad month in his Reds career to date.

If the guy never batted lefty again, it would be too soon. His game, his approach is WAY off still. A good week can't cancel a month and a half of total putrescence. Like black hole, drain-on-the-offense bad.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:47 PM
Intentional walk to Pratt. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:49 PM
Padilla strikes out swinging. 1-0 Phillies after 4.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:53 PM
Freel grounds out to short as Rollins makes a bare handed play. 1 out.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 03:53 PM
Got the total PA's?

168
165
162
158
156
153
150
140

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:53 PM
Lopez lines a double to left center.

Chip R
05-15-2005, 03:53 PM
Ten bucks says Ramirez gets rocked this inning, too.

You really need to stop gambling. ;)

ochre
05-15-2005, 03:54 PM
*note to self: always take the bet when FCB is betting against a Reds pitcher.

:)

Hoosier Red
05-15-2005, 03:54 PM
It's okay, he can just have his first born deliver the money.

SandyD
05-15-2005, 03:55 PM
Cincinnati Reds Baseball: Double Trouble.

:)

M2
05-15-2005, 03:55 PM
If the guy never batted lefty again, it would be too soon. His game, his approach is WAY off still. A good week can't cancel a month and a half of total putrescence. Like black hole, drain-on-the-offense bad.

Likewise a month can't cancel a solid career. This guy was .280/.380/.436 hitting LH last year. He's .269/.356/.416 hitting LH since 2002. For his career he's more than 100 OPS points better hitting LH.

KittyDuran
05-15-2005, 03:55 PM
*note to self: always take the bet when FCB is betting against a Reds pitcher.

:) At least it wasn't his first born... I wonder how the kid's doing??? :devil:

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:55 PM
Casey flies out to left. 2 outs.

M2
05-15-2005, 03:56 PM
168
165
162
158
156
153
150
140

My bad, I meant with runners on.

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 03:57 PM
Just got here....Let's go Junior!

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 03:58 PM
Good eye, Junior.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 03:59 PM
Likewise a month can't cancel a solid career. This guy was .280/.380/.436 hitting LH last year. He's .269/.356/.416 hitting LH since 2002. For his career he's more than 100 OPS points better hitting LH.

But the guy's career is a checkerboard. I can't think of a more spotted career than this guy--just when you think he's turned the corner, he regresses. It's happened with every org. he's been in.

He's not getting good at-bats at all. He's gotten completely away from his game. Which leads me to believe he's either listening to the Miley/DanO crap about jumping on a pitcher early in the count, or he's dogging it cause he's gotta split time. He's been sub-horrible for 6 weeks. That's a LOOOOONG time to be sub-horrible. Just ask Eric Milton.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 03:59 PM
Junior lines out to right. 1-0 Phillies mid 5th.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:01 PM
Rollins grounds out to 1st. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:03 PM
Good play by Ramirez as he tags out Chavez on the throw from Casey on the bunt attempt.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 04:03 PM
My bad, I meant with runners on.

Only by player


NAME TPA AB/HR SB% BA OBP SLG OPS
Joe Randa 43 32.0 .00 .344 .488 .531 1.020
Austin Kearns 43 16.0 .00 .188 .349 .406 .755
Adam Dunn 41 8.3 .50 .240 .537 .640 1.177
Sean Casey 40 0.0 .00 .314 .350 .400 .750
D. Jimenez 35 0.0 1.00 .214 .371 .321 .693
Rich Aurilia 34 0.0 .00 .156 .176 .219 .395
K. Griffey Jr. 31 25.0 .00 .360 .452 .640 1.092
Jason LaRue 27 0.0 .00 .273 .385 .409 .794
Felipe Lopez 27 23.0 .00 .217 .333 .435 .768
Wily Mo Pena 16 7.0 .00 .214 .313 .643 .955
Ryan Freel 14 0.0 .67 .300 .462 .300 .762
J. Valentin 10 0.0 .00 .143 .300 .143 .443
Jacob Cruz 7 0.0 .00 .286 .286 .286 .571

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:03 PM
Abreu homers to left. 2-0 Phillies.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 04:04 PM
Abreu homers to left. 2-0 Phillies.

Seriously. Why on EARTH would you pitch to him with the sacks empty and two out?

westofyou
05-15-2005, 04:04 PM
I can't think of a more spotted career than this guy

Greg Jeffries?

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:05 PM
Burrell strikes out looking. 2-0 Phillies after 5.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 04:06 PM
Greg Jeffries?

True, it's hyperbole I know, but the guy's game isn't so electric (even when things are going good) that you should feel ashamed to relegate him to pinch-hitting duties when he sours. There are WAY better options than that guy at 3.5 million or whatever.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 04:06 PM
Regardless of the 2 HR's, they HAVE been solo shots, and otherwise, he is pitching very well today. For not having an out pitch, that is a nasty hook he has. Thru 5, only giving up 2 runs and getting himself out of trouble the one time he was in it, he has earned my trust for another start.

Caveat Emperor
05-15-2005, 04:07 PM
Seriously. Why on EARTH would you pitch to him with the sacks empty and two out?

Or at the very least use the same smart method of pitching the Phillies have been using all day: inside, inside, inside, and more inside. At least make him break a knuckle if he's going to put the ball in play.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:08 PM
I am also very impressed by Ramirez today. Even when he has given up the homers he has come right back and pitched well.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 04:08 PM
I am also very impressed by Ramirez today. Even when he has given up the homers he has come right back and pitched well.

Don't worry, spend enough time in this clubhouse, he'll soften up.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:09 PM
Dunn strikes out swinging. 1 out.

M2
05-15-2005, 04:09 PM
But the guy's career is a checkerboard. I can't think of a more spotted career than this guy--just when you think he's turned the corner, he regresses. It's happened with every org. he's been in.

He's not getting good at-bats at all. He's gotten completely away from his game. Which leads me to believe he's either listening to the Miley/DanO crap about jumping on a pitcher early in the count, or he's dogging it cause he's gotta split time. He's been sub-horrible for 6 weeks. That's a LOOOOONG time to be sub-horrible. Just ask Eric Milton.

He'd put together nine solid months since arriving in Cincinnati. The White Sox jettisoned him for one bad month (June 2003) at age 24. I'm telling you, if his May continues like it's been going April's going to look like a blip on the radar screen.

I'm not saying he didn't have a horrible start or that he's not still trying to put his LH stroke together, but he's got a well-documented history of offensive solidity from the LH side and he's starting to round into form. IMO, you're blowing his lousy April way out of proportion.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:10 PM
Kearns grounds out to short. 2 outs.

Chip R
05-15-2005, 04:10 PM
Those ankle injuries can be rather tricky. I think Claussen should go on the DL and do an extended rehab in AAA and hopefully the team can survive with Lizard in there.

M2
05-15-2005, 04:12 PM
Regardless of the 2 HR's, they HAVE been solo shots

Give Charlie Manuel some credit for that. Jimmy Rollins and Endy Chavez hitting 1-2 is like an endless Get Out of Jail Free card.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 04:12 PM
He'd put together nine solid months since arriving in Cincinnati. The White Sox jettisoned him for one bad month (June 2003) at age 24. I'm telling you, if his May continues like it's been going April's going to look like a blip on the radar screen.

I'm not saying he didn't have a horrible start or that he's not still trying to put his LH stroke together, but he's got a well-documented history of offensive solidity from the LH side and he's starting to round into form. IMO, you're blowing his lousy April way out of proportion.

Maybe, but he's been respectable one week out of six. He's brutal to watch right now. I said it a thousand times about Boone, but REALLY good players don't slump for a month. If they do, they aren't REALLY players. It's pretty simple. You do what Dunn does or Kearns. You just go out there and work the count to 3-2, and let fate take over from there. Jimenez is wantonly hacking right now.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:13 PM
Jimenez lines a double to right.

Caveat Emperor
05-15-2005, 04:13 PM
Those ankle injuries can be rather tricky. I think Claussen should go on the DL and do an extended rehab in AAA and hopefully the team can survive with Lizard in there.

Unfortunately, you really cannot make too much out of a first start for a player. Ramirez has the advantage of being "new," in that there hasn't been a chance for hitters to look at video of his starts and pick out pitch selection tendencies, release points, and other tips in his delivery that they can use to get ahead of him.

Look at what happened to Matt Belisle...he has a great first start against St. Louis being new, then hitters went to school on him and his curveball and suddenly he couldn't get anyone out.

RFS62
05-15-2005, 04:14 PM
The FCB kiss, the gift that keeps on giving.


:p:

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:14 PM
Intentional walk to Valentin.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:15 PM
Ramirez lines out to left. 2-0 Phillies mid 6th.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 04:16 PM
Believe me, if I had a kiss to undo a 100 ABs and a .590 OPS, I'd be Morgana by now.

OnBaseMachine
05-15-2005, 04:16 PM
10 baserunners in 6 innings, 0 runs.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 04:16 PM
Unfortunately, you really cannot make too much out of a first start for a player. Ramirez has the advantage of being "new," in that there hasn't been a chance for hitters to look at video of his starts and pick out pitch selection tendencies, release points, and other tips in his delivery that they can use to get ahead of him.

Look at what happened to Matt Belisle...he has a great first start against St. Louis being new, then hitters went to school on him and his curveball and suddenly he couldn't get anyone out.


While you may be right, with the season as it is, I have to find my bright spots, where I can...hence my lil silver lining :D

westofyou
05-15-2005, 04:17 PM
Unfortunately, you really cannot make too much out of a first start for a player.

Ahhh the Mo Sanford Postulate.

In Oakland it's the Mike Warren Postulate, St. Louis it's The Bobo Holloman Postulate and in Cincinnati of old it's the Bumbus Jones Postulate.

PuffyPig
05-15-2005, 04:18 PM
Ramirez looks like he can handle the bat. He smoked that one, and got robbed.

RFS62
05-15-2005, 04:19 PM
76 pitches so far

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:20 PM
Utley lines out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:21 PM
Polanco singles to right.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:22 PM
Howard singles to right. 1st and 2nd with one out.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:22 PM
Mercker warming up.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:23 PM
Pratt flies out to 2nd. 2 outs.

M2
05-15-2005, 04:23 PM
Maybe, but he's been respectable one week out of six. He's brutal to watch right now. I said it a thousand times about Boone, but REALLY good players don't slump for a month. If they do, they aren't REALLY players. It's pretty simple. You do what Dunn does or Kearns. You just go out there and work the count to 3-2, and let fate take over from there. Jimenez is wantonly hacking right now.

Now wait a second, Austin Kearns has struggled for the better part of two years while Jiminez has been steady.

D'Angelo's no superstar and he's not likely to become one, but he is a useful major league regular.

Bad months happen, even to REALLY good players (Ken Griffey Jr. for instance). When those bad months are completely out of line with what that player normally delivers you've got to have some confidence that he's going to come around, like Jiminez has been doing for the past 10 days or so.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:24 PM
Offerman hitting for Padilla.

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 04:25 PM
Miley would be letting Padilla hit right now if he managed the Phillies.

M2
05-15-2005, 04:26 PM
Miley would be letting Padilla hit right now if he managed the Phillies.

Ironically, Padilla might be a better hitter.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:27 PM
Offerman strikes out looking. 2-0 Phillies after 6.

RFS62
05-15-2005, 04:27 PM
Who is this kid and what's he doing in a Reds uniform?

westofyou
05-15-2005, 04:28 PM
Ironically, Padilla might be a better hitter.

Offerman's been around forever... as for the 2 OUt PH... the Reds are short on the bench, the pitcher has a low PC and the BP has been beatened up.

Sometime the battle is bigger than one at bat.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 04:28 PM
Fantastic job, again, by the Lizard.

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 04:28 PM
Ironically, Padilla might be a better hitter.

There's a lot of truth to that.

Chip R
05-15-2005, 04:28 PM
Miley would be letting Padilla hit right now if he managed the Phillies.Since Philly's bullpen stinks as much as the Reds and Padilla's pitching a shutout, it's not exactly a horrible idea.

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 04:29 PM
About the battle being bigger than one at-bat, that's why I can't place judgement on a Manager during the first six weeks of the season for any moves he makes.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:30 PM
Terry Adams in to pitch for the Phillies.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 04:30 PM
About the battle being bigger than one at-bat, that's why I can't place judgement on a Manager during the first six weeks of the season for any moves he makes.

Except Aurlia IIRC.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:30 PM
Freel grounds out to short. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:31 PM
Lopez flies out to the warning track in center. 2 outs.

PuffyPig
05-15-2005, 04:32 PM
Miley would be letting Padilla hit right now if he managed the Phillies.

After Miley let Harang hit last night, we scored 10 runs, and Harang became the first Reds starter to go 8 innings in consecutive starts since 2001.

I'd give Miley a pass on that one.

Puffy
05-15-2005, 04:32 PM
It isn't often when you say you are happy the guy with the 9+ ERA is out, but I'm glad the guy with the 9+ ERA is out.

OnBaseMachine
05-15-2005, 04:32 PM
I hope Dunn gets to bat against Adams.

Career vs Adams-4 atbats, 3.000 OPS(2B, HR, 2 singles, walk)

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:33 PM
Rheal Cormier in to pitch for the Phillies.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:37 PM
Casey grounds out to the pitcher. 2-0 Phillies mid 7th.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 04:37 PM
Casey's game is brutal. Brutal.

Just to announce. I've been dinged for calling someone's game, not person, brutal. At this rate, Miley will bench me by Tuesday.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 04:40 PM
Casey's game is brutal. Brutal.

Krispy...

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:40 PM
Mercker in to pitch. Good start by Ramirez today.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:42 PM
Rollins pops out to short. 1 out.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 04:43 PM
Argh

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:43 PM
Chavez lines a triple to left.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:44 PM
Abreu singles. 3-0 Phillies.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:47 PM
Burrell singles to left. 1st and 2nd with one out.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 04:47 PM
Abreu singles. 3-0 Phillies.

Why? Why pitch to him? Why? If you walk him, his run is meaningless if he scores as by that point means the game is over anyway. But if you walk you got a shot at a DP. Unreal.

Oh better watch my language. Wouldn't want to get negged again. :thumbup:

I love you too.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:48 PM
Utley grounds into a 4-6 fielder's choice. Good play by Jimenez. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:48 PM
Wagner coming in to pitch.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 04:49 PM
I agree with ya FCB. :eek:


Nice play by DJ to save a run there.


AND I AM SPARTACUS

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 04:50 PM
I can't believe this lineup of the REDS hasn't scored any runs today. No clutch hitting whatsoever today.

It's not over.

Two in the 8th, then One in the 9th.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:51 PM
Polanco grounds out to 3rd. 3-0 Phillies after 7.

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 04:52 PM
OK...

Rally Time, Baby!!!

Baserunners, baserunners, baserunners.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 04:52 PM
Jr with a single, Dunn with a BB and Kearns goes yard. You heard it hear first.

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 04:52 PM
OK...

Rally Time, Baby!!!

Baserunners, baserunners, baserunners.

Errors, walks, HBP's, don't care how they get on...just get on base.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 04:53 PM
Jr with a single, Dunn with a BB and Kearns goes yard. You heard it hear first.

If they get two runners on to start the inning, it's Wagner time. Billy Wagner, that is.

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 04:54 PM
Here we go..

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 04:54 PM
Jr with a single, Dunn with a BB and Kearns goes yard. You heard it hear first.


Jr with a single (check), Dunn with a BB and Kearns goes yard. You heard it hear first

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:54 PM
Junior leads off with a single.

RFS62
05-15-2005, 04:54 PM
Junior is simply raking the ball

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:55 PM
Dunn doubles. 2nd and 3rd with no outs.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 04:55 PM
Jr with a single (check), Dunn with a BB and Kearns goes yard. You heard it hear first


Jr with a single (check), Dunn with a BB (hell, I was close ;) )and Kearns goes yard. You heard it hear first

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 04:55 PM
Rythm baby, keep in rythm...

Let's go Kearns!

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 04:56 PM
Junior is simply raking the ball

Yes he is. He's a player I'm more than happy to admit I was wrong about. He looked finished. It certainly doesn't appear that way. But then I always liked the guys game, even when he was obviously hurting. :p:

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:57 PM
Ryan Madson in to pitch

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 04:58 PM
I'm stunned they're not bringing in Wagner. I would.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 04:58 PM
Kearns grounds out to 3rd. Run scores. 3-1. Runner at 2nd.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 04:59 PM
Ok, I'll take a double by DJ :D

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 04:59 PM
Let's go Jiminez...

Keep the Rythm going....

Baserunners, baserunners, baserunners.

Any way you can.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 05:00 PM
Jimenez grounds out to 2nd. Runner goes to 3rd.

SirFelixCat
05-15-2005, 05:00 PM
Ok, how about I shut up? :(

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 05:00 PM
Wagner coming in to pitch. Randa coming in to pinch hit.

RFS62
05-15-2005, 05:00 PM
Hey FCB, how is the Philly press treating Charlie Manuel?

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 05:00 PM
We need to get Dunn in this inning. One run in the 9th is a heck of lot easier than two in the 9th.

M2
05-15-2005, 05:01 PM
Charlie Manuel has rocks for brains. I'd let Ryan Madson pitch to Javier Valentin every day of the week.

I should add that it's never a bad time to bring in Billy Wagner, just that Valentin's an easy out.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 05:02 PM
Hey FCB, how is the Philly press treating Charlie Manuel?

Not well, generally. The guy seems affable enough, so they aren't too vicious.

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 05:02 PM
Wagner coming in to pitch. Randa coming in to pinch hit.

Really? Hmmm.

Fastball pitcher coming into the game in the 8th.

Can you say...Wild Pitch?

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 05:04 PM
Randa strikes out swinging. 3-1 Phillies mid 8th.

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 05:05 PM
That hurts.

We need to get two of the next four batters on, so we can get to Junior.

Hopefully Casey doesn't hit into a double-play.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 05:05 PM
Really? Hmmm.

Fastball pitcher coming into the game in the 8th.

Can you say...Wild Pitch?

Wagner averages a WP once every 73 batters, Mitch Williams he is not (just barely apparently Mitch was once every 70)

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 05:07 PM
Howard singles.

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 05:07 PM
Wagner averages a WP once every 73 batters, Mitch Williams he is not (just barely apparently Micth was once every 70)

I thought about that after I said it. Guess it was up to Randa.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 05:08 PM
Pratt strikes out looking. 1 out.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 05:11 PM
George's man love for David Bell is distracting.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 05:12 PM
Bell singles to center. 1st and 2nd with one out.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 05:15 PM
Come on, kid. Trust your stuff. It's so obviously mental with this kid right now. His stuff looks good, regardless of radar.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 05:15 PM
Rollins grounds into a 4-6 fielder's choice. Lopez's throw is in the dirt and a run scores. 4-1. Rollins goes to 2nd on the error.

westofyou
05-15-2005, 05:15 PM
http://www.sportslogos.net/images/Baseball/MLB/PHI_2256.gif

M2
05-15-2005, 05:16 PM
Quick note on Elizardo Ramirez. He allowed a .333 OB and .600 SLG today. His ERA won't stay anywhere near 3.00 if he keeps that up.

Eric_Davis
05-15-2005, 05:16 PM
Game Over

Series not won...


Fire Miley Immediately

Too many games have been played to accept a split in this series. This team is too used to losing under Miley. He's got to go...

Fire him immediately after the game.

Reds Fanatic
05-15-2005, 05:16 PM
Chavez grounds out. 4-1 Phillies after 8.

traderumor
05-15-2005, 05:17 PM
For those not watching, Casey fails to keep the ball in front of him. Should have been able to scoop at the best, keep the ball in front of him at the worst, esp. if he has his head in the game realizing that there is a man that will score from third if it gets by him. Booooo.

M2
05-15-2005, 05:17 PM
http://www.sportslogos.net/images/Baseball/MLB/PHI_2256.gif

I remeber that logo. Philly was Bicentennial crazy.

Falls City Beer
05-15-2005, 05:18 PM
For those not watching, Casey fails to keep the ball in front of him. Should have been able to scoop at the best, keep the ball in front of him at the worst, esp. if he has his head in the game realizing that there is a man that will score from third if it gets by him. Booooo. Careful you might want to switch your target of criticism.