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MWM
05-17-2005, 09:32 PM
Of course Sean swings at the first pitch. The pitch was on the outside of the plate and Casey pulls it. That's a groundout about 90% of the time. You know, I love Casey. I think he's a good ball player, but he's not a very smart hitter.

Reds Fanatic
05-17-2005, 09:32 PM
Junior lines a single to right.

KronoRed
05-17-2005, 09:32 PM
I mean JR will single then Dunn will homer :D

KittyDuran
05-17-2005, 09:33 PM
Dae-Sung Koo in to pitch for the Mets. Gesundheit! ;)

MWM
05-17-2005, 09:33 PM
Nice job by Junior not getting into scoring position for Dunn. Now maybe Dunn can do something with it.

ws1990reds
05-17-2005, 09:34 PM
Matsui is horrible. The only reason he's playing is because the Mets paid him so much money. Very depressing.

Sure about that? He's a better 2B than any solution the Reds have. :devil: Let me tell you about a trade I made last night in my OOTP6 league. My team just improved by leaps and bounds because of a trade that involved Matsui:

05-25-05

Mets get:
(2B) Jacob Cruz
$23.4 million

Reds get:
(3B) David Wright
(SS) Jose Reyes
(2B) Kazuo Matsui

With this trade, my infield is making plays it had no chance to make before. Oh, and David Wright hit a decisive grandslam in the bottom of the 5th inning to give the Reds a 8-7 win on the day he was acquired by the Reds. :thumbup:

KronoRed
05-17-2005, 09:35 PM
Dunn walks :rant:

Up to Randa

MWM
05-17-2005, 09:35 PM
That guy wanted absolutely nothing to do with Adam. There wasn't a single pitch Dunn could do ANYTHING with, even the strike.

Reds Fanatic
05-17-2005, 09:35 PM
Dunn walks. 1st and 2nd with one out. Looper coming in. We all remember what Randa did to Looper on opening day.

ws1990reds
05-17-2005, 09:36 PM
Nice job by Junior not getting into scoring position for Dunn. Now maybe Dunn can do something with it.

And, all Dunn does is save Junior's legs. ;)

Caveat Emperor
05-17-2005, 09:36 PM
None of those pitches were even close. With as badly as Dunn struggles against lefties, I have to question not challenging him in that at bat.

flyer85
05-17-2005, 09:36 PM
anybody else think it was dumb of Randolph to pitch Koo against the lefties last night when ahead by 7 runs?

Puffy
05-17-2005, 09:37 PM
Dunn can't leave it to the next guy, he needs to swing at bad pitches to get runners in, heck even a productive out would have been better!

He sux.

letsgojunior
05-17-2005, 09:37 PM
Dunn can't leave it to the next guy, he needs to swing at bad pitches to get runners in, heck even a productive out would have been better!

He sux.

He really needs to stop sucking soon.

KronoRed
05-17-2005, 09:38 PM
Reds need stop sucking intervention

Puffy
05-17-2005, 09:39 PM
He really needs to stop sucking soon.

Yup, he's like that vacuum in Spaceballs - someone, and by someone I mean BF, needs to stay on him so he goes from sucking to blowing.

Wait, that won't work......

Mutaman
05-17-2005, 09:39 PM
Why did Randa lay off the first pitch. It was a cripple.

KronoRed
05-17-2005, 09:39 PM
How was that not a strike?

Randa gets lucky

Reds Nd2
05-17-2005, 09:40 PM
Dunn can't leave it to the next guy, he needs to swing at bad pitches to get runners in, heck even a productive out would have been better!

He sux.

Why's he always leaving the heavy lifting to others? He needs to swing at those pitches outside of the zone..

KronoRed
05-17-2005, 09:40 PM
Austin is going to win this

Reds Fanatic
05-17-2005, 09:40 PM
Randa lines out to center. Bergolla who came in to pinch run goes to 3rd. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs. Kearns is up.

MWM
05-17-2005, 09:41 PM
How was that not a strike?

Randa gets lucky

Nah. It was outside by at least 6 inches.

Puffy
05-17-2005, 09:41 PM
Come on Austin, be the ball.

MWM
05-17-2005, 09:41 PM
No way was that second pitch to Kearns a strike.

KronoRed
05-17-2005, 09:42 PM
Thanks to MWMs sig I now want a quarter pounder

RFS62
05-17-2005, 09:43 PM
Thanks to MWMs sig I now want a quarter pounder

Yeah, whoever said that must be pretty smart.

:cool:

KronoRed
05-17-2005, 09:43 PM
:cry:

Reds Fanatic
05-17-2005, 09:43 PM
Kearns strikes out looking. Reds lose 2-1.

flyer85
05-17-2005, 09:43 PM
wow Austin, what was that?

Stormy
05-17-2005, 09:44 PM
No way was that second pitch to Kearns a strike.

Same place as the previous ball call to Randa, wasn't it? Too bad, as Kearns would be on first right now. Instead it's ballgame on a Strike 3 that really was unhittable.

westofyou
05-17-2005, 09:44 PM
Hello?

The guy was throwing gas only and Kearns looked a liitle surprised by that fact.

BoydsOfSummer
05-17-2005, 09:44 PM
Heck of a game for a while.

MWM
05-17-2005, 09:44 PM
Kearns didn't swing at that pitch because Dunn's been such a negative influence on him. :)

Kc61
05-17-2005, 09:44 PM
That's what happens when you are up there hoping for a walk.

ws1990reds
05-17-2005, 09:44 PM
Wait to go, Reds. Choke as usual with RISP. Take questonable 2-strike-2-out pitches with the game on the line. :rolleyes:

letsgojunior
05-17-2005, 09:44 PM
I'm pretty sure that we suck.

realreds1
05-17-2005, 09:45 PM
Can we end the season now? Or can we wait a bit... and cap it at 100 losses?

Caveat Emperor
05-17-2005, 09:45 PM
Man...swing the bat, meat. :laugh:

Kearns had to know the ump was being inconsistent with the outside strike in the 9th. He took the same pitch in the same location twice for a strike.

Mutaman
05-17-2005, 09:45 PM
We finally get some pitching and the offense tanks. When we hit, we get no pitching. Isn't that the mark of a bad baseball team?

ws1990reds
05-17-2005, 09:46 PM
Same place as the previous ball call to Randa, wasn't it? Too bad, as Kearns would be on first right now. Instead it's ballgame on a Strike 3 that really was unhittable.

If you don't swing, of course. Don't worry about that, though, the Reds will help you bring your best stuff to the mound everyday. :rolleyes:

Puffy
05-17-2005, 09:46 PM
14-25.

So, who do we take with the number 1 pick next June?

KronoRed
05-17-2005, 09:46 PM
I'm pretty sure that we suck.

Yep.

The Reds are teh suck

realreds1
05-17-2005, 09:46 PM
We finally get some pitching and the offense tanks. When we hit, we get no pitching. Isn't that the mark of a bad baseball team?

Sometimes we get neither. At least the strikeouts were lessened tonight.

KronoRed
05-17-2005, 09:47 PM
14-25.

So, who do we take with the number 1 pick next June?

A high school pitcher who is signable

MWM
05-17-2005, 09:47 PM
At least the strikeouts were lessened tonight.

Lot of good not striking out did.

ws1990reds
05-17-2005, 09:47 PM
We finally get some pitching and the offense tanks. When we hit, we get no pitching. Isn't that the mark of a bad baseball team?

Yes, it is. Regardless of how great one side of the plate is for a team (pitching, hitting), winning teams are at least average on both sides of the plate, consistently. The Reds don't quite meet that requirement. :D

OnBaseMachine
05-17-2005, 09:47 PM
14-25.

So, who do we take with the number 1 pick next June?

Nah the Royals have that locked up. ;)

BoydsOfSummer
05-17-2005, 09:48 PM
When does Ed E. come up?

realreds1
05-17-2005, 09:49 PM
Sometimes we get neither. At least the strikeouts were lessened tonight.

Hopefully there' s a catcher out there named "Barney." Then, in the 2008 season, we can hear about the battery of Homer pitching to Barney. *BBBUUUURRP* D'oh!

Caveat Emperor
05-17-2005, 09:49 PM
A high school pitcher who is signable

We should really just skip the middle man and have Dan O'Brien take a sledgehammer to his shoulder at the uniform fitting.

Puffy
05-17-2005, 09:49 PM
Nah the Royals have that locked up. ;)

O ye of little faith.

jmcclain19
05-17-2005, 09:50 PM
Nah the Royals have that locked up. ;)

And the existence of the Rockies guarantees that the Reds will pick 3rd.

3rd...hmmm...perhaps another "Tom Seaver esq" high school pitcher with the third pick?

KronoRed
05-17-2005, 09:50 PM
We should really just skip the middle man and have Dan O'Brien take a sledgehammer to his shoulder at the uniform fitting.

That would sell some tickets.

SteelSD
05-17-2005, 09:50 PM
Wait to go, Reds. Choke as usual with RISP. Take questonable 2-strike-2-out pitches with the game on the line. :rolleyes:

The Reds had exactly four AB with RISP in that game, one by a pitcher.

If you haven't figured it out yet, the Reds' problem ISN'T their hitting with men on base. They're problem is getting them on when there aren't any. Coming into tonight, the team had a .312 OBP with none on.

That'll lose you a lot of games because it means you're bunching your Run Scoring opportunities into one and two Out situations- thereby limiting your potential for Run scoring in an inning and randomizing the outcomes.

Put runners on more frequently when there's no one on and problem solved.

Mutaman
05-17-2005, 09:50 PM
I've said it before, but this is really depressing. I had some hope for this season.

westofyou
05-17-2005, 09:51 PM
Reds always lose and hit poorly against quirky LH's it's been their MO the past 5 years.

I'll take a 2-1 loss any day over a 9-8 loss.

Kc61
05-17-2005, 09:51 PM
Tonight's predicted Miley quotes: "Ortiz pitched great. He deserved a better fate. If he pitches like that, we'll be all right." "Our bats are a little quiet now, but it's good to see our pitching coming around." "It was a close, exciting ball game, just didn't come out our way." "I was happy with the effort. Our guys play hard. They're just not getting the breaks right now." And the inevitable, "we have guys who can hit and guys who can pitch. We just need for them to do it on the same nights."

MWM
05-17-2005, 09:52 PM
The Reds had exactly four AB with RISP in that game, one by a pitcher.

If you haven't figured it out yet, the Reds' problem ISN'T their hitting with men on base. They're problem is getting them on when there aren't any. Coming into tonight, the team had a .312 OBP with none on.

That'll lose you a lot of games because it means you're bunching your Run Scoring opportunities into one and two Out situations- thereby limiting your potential for Run scoring in an inning and randomizing the outcomes.

Put runners on more frequently when there's no one on and problem solved.

I disagree. They need to get on base more by trying to bunt their way on. That's it!

ws1990reds
05-17-2005, 09:53 PM
That would sell some tickets.

Nothing the Reds could do right now would sell tickets. If only for the reason that nothing they do makes any sense. Ticket sales will go up once Common Joe has realized the Reds have signed real starting pitching and some hitters that can do something more than jack them over the wall.

oneupper
05-17-2005, 09:55 PM
If we lose like ..15 or 20 in a row, will someone get fired (traded, benched, etc.)?

I'm almost hoping for it now.(ugh)

ws1990reds
05-17-2005, 09:56 PM
The Reds had exactly four AB with RISP in that game, one by a pitcher.

If you haven't figured it out yet, the Reds' problem ISN'T their hitting with men on base. They're problem is getting them on when there aren't any. Coming into tonight, the team had a .312 OBP with none on.

That'll lose you a lot of games because it means you're bunching your Run Scoring opportunities into one and two Out situations- thereby limiting your potential for Run scoring in an inning and randomizing the outcomes.

Put runners on more frequently when there's no one on and problem solved.

Funny how you conveniently divert the point I was making toward a point you fail to make. What's the team BAVG with RISP? How about the percentage of those runners in scoring position actually scoring? If you can't do anything with RISP, it doesn't matter how many runners you have on base.

KronoRed
05-17-2005, 09:57 PM
If we lose like ..15 or 20 in a row, will someone get fired (traded, benched, etc.)?

I'm almost hoping for it now.(ugh)

I doubt it.

Dan O is not a move type of guy, he waits and waits..and waits till he has to make a move because the team is about to lose 50 in a row or something

Mutaman
05-17-2005, 09:58 PM
Funny how you conveniently divert the point I was making toward a point you fail to make. What's the team BAVG with RISP? How about the percentage of those runners in scoring position actually scoring? If you can't do anything with RISP, it doesn't matter how many runners you have on base.

Tonight's game notwithstanding, this team has an ERA of 5.68. I think thats the problem.

ws1990reds
05-17-2005, 10:01 PM
Tonight's game notwithstanding, this team has an ERA of 5.68. I think thats the problem. On days when the pitching is bad. On days like this? Ask Kearns. :D

oneupper
05-17-2005, 10:03 PM
I doubt it.

Dan O is not a move type of guy, he waits and waits..and waits till he has to make a move because the team is about to lose 50 in a row or something

Well... with a quarter of the season gone, the record is projecting out to 105-106 losses right now. That doesn't even qualify as bad.

SteelSD
05-17-2005, 10:11 PM
Funny how you conveniently divert the point I was making toward a point you fail to make. What's the team BAVG with RISP? How about the percentage of those runners in scoring position actually scoring? If you can't do anything with RISP, it doesn't matter how many runners you have on base.

Reds 2005

Team Batting Average- None On: .245
Team Batting Average- w/RISP: .241
Team Batting Average- Runners On: .254
Team Batting Average- W/RISP and 2 Out: .270

In contrast, Atlanta's team BA with RISP is .245. The NY Mets are hitting .239 with RISP. They're 4th and 6th in the NL respectively in Runs Scored with Runners in Scoring Position.

Coming into tonight, there were exactly 2 teams who'd scored more than ten more Runs with RISP than the Reds. Of the top ten (the Reds are 11th) teams in RS with RISP, six of them have more AB with RISP.

Get more Runners on and you'll get more AB with RISP and will score more Runs even if you don't convert at a rate higher than a .241 BA with RISP.

The current issue isn't opportunity conversion (although we'd all like to see more of that). The issue is opportunity generation (both frequency and distance- i.e. Slugging) by guys like Griffey and Casey. Those slots are primarily responsible for the lack of opportunities right now considering that Miley has built his lineup to crescendo at the 5-7 slots instead of the 3-4 slots in the order.

I didn't "divert" anything. I countered your assumption that RISP performance was the issue with what really IS the issue.

pedro
05-17-2005, 10:26 PM
Oh well, a good pitched game lost b/c he challenged Kaz Matsui and lost. I'd take that chance 8 out of 10 times.

ws1990reds
05-18-2005, 03:31 AM
Reds 2005

Team Batting Average- None On: .245
Team Batting Average- w/RISP: .241
Team Batting Average- Runners On: .254
Team Batting Average- W/RISP and 2 Out: .270

In contrast, Atlanta's team BA with RISP is .245. The NY Mets are hitting .239 with RISP. They're 4th and 6th in the NL respectively in Runs Scored with Runners in Scoring Position.

Coming into tonight, there were exactly 2 teams who'd scored more than ten more Runs with RISP than the Reds. Of the top ten (the Reds are 11th) teams in RS with RISP, six of them have more AB with RISP.

Get more Runners on and you'll get more AB with RISP and will score more Runs even if you don't convert at a rate higher than a .241 BA with RISP.

The current issue isn't opportunity conversion (although we'd all like to see more of that). The issue is opportunity generation (both frequency and distance- i.e. Slugging) by guys like Griffey and Casey. Those slots are primarily responsible for the lack of opportunities right now considering that Miley has built his lineup to crescendo at the 5-7 slots instead of the 3-4 slots in the order.

I didn't "divert" anything. I countered your assumption that RISP performance was the issue with what really IS the issue.

Hitting poorly with RISP (except with two outs, what happened to the first two?) IS failure to convert opportunities. If you had RISP in the first place, then you did create opportunities. Hitting well with RISP IS creating opportunities. You're wanting to debate something that we both happen to agree on.