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Red Leader
05-18-2005, 01:29 PM
Cincinnati
Ryan Freel rf .330
Felipe Lopez ss .291
Sean Casey 1b .273
Ken Griffey Jr. cf .268
Adam Dunn lf .256
Joe Randa 3b .289
D'Angelo Jimenez 2b .216
Jason LaRue c .189
Eric Milton p .071


NY Mets

Jose Reyes ss .250
Miguel Cairo 1b .273
Mike Cameron cf .410
Mike Piazza c .219
Cliff Floyd lf .310
Chris Woodward rf .278
David Wright 3b .268
Kaz Matsui 2b .237
Tom Glavine p .167


Eric Milton 7.21
Tom Glavine 5.77

zombie-a-go-go
05-18-2005, 01:31 PM
Jimenez continues to hold 2B hostage. Bleech.

Crash Davis
05-18-2005, 01:35 PM
It's OK to swing at the first pitch and ground out to 2B every other at bat. But if you look at strike three to end the game, you will be punished.

I had major problems with Austin Kearns letting strike three go by without even giving himself a chance. I don't think that means you give your team less of a chance to win the next game. And I have just as much of a problem with Casey trying to pull outside corner pitches all the time and grounding into double plays at an incredible rate.

Dave Miley doesn't care much for Austin Kearns. Sean Casey gets a free pass and a hallowed spot in the lineup.

Ravenlord
05-18-2005, 01:38 PM
if he's going to sit someone, could he please sit Casey? i mean really, what's wrong with:

LF Freel
SS Lopez
1B Dunn
CF Griffey
RF Kearns
3B Randa
2B Jimenez
C LaRue
?

Puffy
05-18-2005, 01:42 PM
Sean Casey


YEAR G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS
2005 38 150 13 41 10 0 1 16 11 15 0 0 .273 .319 .360 .679

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 01:43 PM
So what are you saying, Puffy? That somehow those numbers don't translate into a hitter you should be playing everyday in the 3 spot? Check his BA with runners in scoring position...

CrackerJack
05-18-2005, 01:44 PM
No Kearns today eh?

Larue? .189 BA?

Milton 7.21 ERA?

:ughmamoru

Oh the agony of it all.

Candy Cummings
05-18-2005, 01:45 PM
The way those guys are going, you're pretty much looking at choosing only among bad options.

Stormy
05-18-2005, 01:48 PM
I think it's clear that when Wily Mo returns, he and Kearns are going to really languish trying to get their share of ABs, as when Freel isn't playing 2B (which he should be the majority of the time), he's obviously going to be in RF. Miley is loathe to ever sit Casey, much less move him from the #3 hole (despite the nice offensive game we just had without him), so he'll never sit to accommodate the OF glut. Likewise, apparently Randa is immune from Freel or DJ occasionally taking his spot at 3B, which means that when DJ/Freel are both in the lineup... Kearns and WMP will both be sitting, and that they will almost *never* be on the field together (barring an injury, which is the last thing we need). So, the 2 guys we need to develop more (and who need more developmental reps) than anyone on the roster, will be playing a musical chairs game of odd-man-out and PH specialist.

Just imagine if Aurilia had not gone down, and DJ had not struggled early: We likely never witness Lopez's evolution, and Freel is forced to RF on a near everyday basis, blocking both Kearns and WMP. In other words, the 3 primary young positional prospects to the future of this oprganization (along with Dunn, and eventually EdE), would likely never see more than sporadic time on the field this year, if not for chance and injury. Hard to imagine for a team desperately in need of developing youth, rather than stop-gap veterans.

That criticism doesn't even touch on the woeful lineup construct, which is almost as counterproductive as the utilization of our personnel is. What a mess.

Puffy
05-18-2005, 01:49 PM
So what are you saying, Puffy? That somehow those numbers don't translate into a hitter you should be playing everyday in the 3 spot? Check his BA with runners in scoring position...

I would never say such a thing. I would also never say that when you take Casey's 12 DP's into account that his production grows even smaller, or that everyone one of his starts has been in the 3 spot.

Candy Cummings
05-18-2005, 01:50 PM
Just imagine if Aurilia had not gone down, and DJ had not struggled early: We likely never witness Lopez's evolution, and Freel is forced to RF on a near everyday basis, blocking both Kearns and WMP. In other words, the 3 primary young positional prospects to the future of this oprganization (along with Dunn, and eventually EdE), would likely never see more than sporadic time on the field this year, if not for chance and injury. Har dto imagine for a team desperately in need of developing youth, rather than stop-gap veterans.

That criticism doesn't even touch on the woeful lineup construct, which is almost as counterproductive as the utilization of our personnel is. What a mess.

Nice post, Stormy. And depressing.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 01:52 PM
1-0 Mets. Oh, wait the game hasn't started yet.

Sorry.

Kc61
05-18-2005, 01:54 PM
Two lefty pitchers in a row. Three consecutive lefty hitters in the middle of the order. Both days. How creative.

Stormy
05-18-2005, 01:54 PM
if he's going to sit someone, could he please sit Casey? i mean really, what's wrong with:

LF Freel
SS Lopez
1B Dunn
CF Griffey
RF Kearns
3B Randa
2B Jimenez
C LaRue
?

Exactly. Looks like the lineup which just put up a 12 spot against the Phillies 4 days ago, except Dunn was of course relegated to the #5 spot in favor of Randa that day (uggh). Apparently any veteran, experienced bat, even one with a Juan Castroesque OPS (.679) like Sean Casey, is preferable in the #3 spot to one of the league's most potent On Base and Slugging machines. There is a reason that Adam Dunn has been walked in 22 of his 66 Plate Appearances with Runners on Base. Miley has found a way to both undermine Dunn's OBP translating into runs, and to negate his ability to drive runners in with his EBH Power. It's hard to miss the mark that badly.

Crash Davis
05-18-2005, 02:00 PM
That criticism doesn't even touch on the woeful lineup construct, which is almost as counterproductive as the utilization of our personnel is. What a mess.

If you remember, I was a fairly outspoken critic of Bob Boone's style. But I always said that he knew what he was doing. There were good reasons for his decisions...he just couldn't stop himself from making decisions all throughout the game and constantly changing his mind.

But Dave Miley's performance this season is horrific. I'm not sure he knows what he's doing. He certainly doesn't know which direction this ballclub is going. He's not following any plan whatsoever. And he's shown not only a preferance for veterans over developing talent, but what's worse, a preferance for poor baseball players who happened to have been good at one point in their careers.

I'm about to pop a vein in my forehead just thinking about the job he's done this year.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 02:03 PM
If you remember, I was a fairly outspoken critic of Bob Boone's style. But I always said that he knew what he was doing. There were good reasons for his decisions...he just couldn't stop himself from making decisions all throughout the game and constantly changing his mind.

But Dave Miley's performance this season is horrific. I'm not sure he knows what he's doing. He certainly doesn't know which direction this ballclub is going. He's not following any plan whatsoever. And he's shown not only a preferance for veterans over developing talent, but what's worse, a preferance for poor baseball players who happened to have been good at one point in their careers.

I'm about to pop a vein in my forehead just thinking about the job he's done this year.

I completely agree. I'm fairly certain, he has no idea what he's doing. That's the awful part. This team, if the lineup was constructed correctly, could be much more "dangerous" than what it is. Unfortunately, with what I've seen of Miley's decisions so far this year, it will never realize that potential.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 02:04 PM
Dave Miley looks at the splits for this year when thinking DJ, tosses aside the RH Kearns vs the LH Glavine.. a guy that gets hurt by LH's and has this line in his first 15 pitches and then 16-30.

ERA K/9 BA
21.60 4.20 .471
12.00 1.83 .217

I bet the Reds sacrifice if they get a runner in the 1st inning.

Crash Davis
05-18-2005, 02:04 PM
Exactly. Looks like the lineup which just put up a 12 spot against the Phillies 4 days ago, except Dunn was of course relegated to the #5 spot in favor of Randa that day (uggh). Apparently any veteran, experienced bat, even one with a Juan Castroesque OPS (.679) like Sean Casey, is preferable in the #3 spot to one of the league's most potent On Base and Slugging machines. There is a reason that Adam Dunn has been walked in 22 of his 66 Plate Appearances with Runners on Base. Miley has found a way to both undermine Dunn's OBP translating into runs, and to negate his ability to drive runners in with his EBH Power. It's hard to miss the mark that badly.

It's maddening. His lineups are the most non-sensical constructions you've ever seen. How does he come to these conclusions? Has he forgotten all he's known about how baseball teams score runs? Has he ever known? Does he even have access to the same information we do? If so, he snubs it with glee.

I think I'm going to hurl.

traderumor
05-18-2005, 02:06 PM
You can see it when Casey isn't out there...lost...no direction...no butt slapping...no giggles...I mean, that's what the game is all about...oh yea, no pitches pile drived into the dirt in front of home plate en route to the second baseman, either :thumbdown

Cant Touch This
05-18-2005, 02:09 PM
It grinds my gears to see Kearns on the bench. The kid is a pure talent but Miley has it in for him. Sit DJ. Let Freel play 2B and lead off -- I have no problem with that. But Freel does not belong in RF which is reserved for a player with a strong and accurate arm. We've seen him throw. Freel will be lucky to record an OF assist this year -- and if he has, I missed it.

With WMP and RA out of the lineup, Miley has been given the gift of a no-brainer decision! Yet he convolutes things. I just don't see how there could be this many variations on the lineup theme. Stick to one!!!

1- Freel 2B
2- Lopez SS
3- Junior CF
4- Dunn LF
5- Kearns RF
6- Casey 1B
7- Randa 3B
8- LaRue C
9- BP Thrower

Sigh...

Roy Tucker
05-18-2005, 02:09 PM
I bet the Reds sacrifice if they get a runner in the 1st inning.
:runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:

TRF
05-18-2005, 02:12 PM
I may sacrifice something if they do that.

TRF
05-18-2005, 02:13 PM
Freel Grounds out, FeLo K's

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 02:14 PM
Freel leads off and grounds out to 2B.
Lopez K's swinging.


2 out, Casey up

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 02:15 PM
Casey doubles

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 02:15 PM
S. Casey ground rule double to deep right

Griffey up to the plate.

KittyDuran
05-18-2005, 02:16 PM
Casey doubles :shocked: ;) Sure he does that now with no one on....

Stormy
05-18-2005, 02:17 PM
Casey got one Glavine left too far inside (as Casey's been trying to pull everything lately, not the wisest location to come into with 2 strikes) and rips it to the warning track for a GR Double. Nice hitting by Casey for a change, and a chance for Griff or Dunn a chance to convert.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 02:18 PM
Junior lines out to center. 0-0 Mid 1st.

Puffy
05-18-2005, 02:23 PM
First two fly out against Milton.

None on two out for Cameron

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 02:24 PM
Reyes, Cairo and Cameron all fly out. 0-0 after 1.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 02:24 PM
Mets 1st inning

- J. Reyes flied out to right
- M. Cairo flied out to center
- M. Cameron lined out to right

1-2-3 for Milton

Ravenlord
05-18-2005, 02:24 PM
so much for Milton's sinker.;)

westofyou
05-18-2005, 02:26 PM
Remember the Pitch back?

Milton is the Pitch Back in the extreme FB Position.

http://www.tubeflex.com/pitch_back_net.jpg

More sucking from Dunn.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 02:27 PM
Dunn leads off with a triple

RosieRed
05-18-2005, 02:27 PM
Leave it to Dunn to put himself in position to score on a sac fly, rather than being able to get a sac fly himself.

;)

westofyou
05-18-2005, 02:28 PM
Dunn has 1/2 as many 3b's this year as he did for his career prior to the start of the season.

traderumor
05-18-2005, 02:28 PM
so much for Milton's sinker.;)Scrapping that sinker could save his season.

Roy Tucker
05-18-2005, 02:28 PM
He should have hit a HR. The bum.

Ravenlord
05-18-2005, 02:28 PM
:laugh:
Leave it to Dunn to put himself in position to score on a sac fly, rather than being able to get a sac fly himself

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 02:29 PM
Randa lines out to center. 1 out.

Ravenlord
05-18-2005, 02:29 PM
Scrapping that sinker could save his season.so could scrapping this pitch-to-contact crap. i hope he talked to one of his old mentors before this game.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 02:30 PM
any chance they score here?

westofyou
05-18-2005, 02:30 PM
I get the feeling that Dave Miley never studied a Casey Stengal team and it's lineup construct.. just a shame in this day and age that the Reds have a manager that rivals 1948's Connie Mack in stratagy and reaction time.

Ravenlord
05-18-2005, 02:31 PM
any chance they score here?only if Jimenez gets a hit here. not a chance if we rely on LaRue.

Roy Tucker
05-18-2005, 02:31 PM
Scrapping that sinker could save his season.
Which reminds me of something Joe Morgan kept saying when Milton was on an ESPN game.

He kept saying Milton was trying to "turn the ball over". Just what does that mean?

Ravenlord
05-18-2005, 02:32 PM
Which reminds me of something Joe Morgan kept saying when Milton was on an ESPN game.

He kept saying Milton was trying to "turn the ball over". Just what does that mean?get more downspin on it. make it sink with a 2-seam grip..or cut if you grip it like a 4-seamer.

DJF33
05-18-2005, 02:33 PM
But Freel does not belong in RF which is reserved for a player with a strong and accurate arm. We've seen him throw. Freel will be lucky to record an OF assist this year -- and if he has, I missed it.


I think he threw a guy out at home from left field on May 9 in the extra innings of that game against the Padres. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Not that I do not believe he shouldn't be out there.

Ravenlord
05-18-2005, 02:33 PM
Jimenez walks...LaRue will either GDP or Milton will be forced to drive in the run :bang:

Ravenlord
05-18-2005, 02:33 PM
Jimenez walks...LaRue will either GDP or Milton will be forced to drive in the run :bang:first pitch even :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

OldRightHander
05-18-2005, 02:34 PM
He tried to take that third strike, but Glavine didn't oblige him by throwing it over the plate.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 02:34 PM
I think he threw a guy out at home from left field on May 9 in the extra innings of that game against the Padres. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Not that I do not believe he shouldn't be out there.

You are right he did throw out the runner in that extra innings game.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 02:34 PM
Krispy

flyer85
05-18-2005, 02:34 PM
GIDP on the first pitch from Lash

rdiersin
05-18-2005, 02:34 PM
Jimenez walks...LaRue will either GDP or Milton will be forced to drive in the run :bang:

:bang::bang:

Stormy
05-18-2005, 02:34 PM
Amazing way to strand an Adam Dunn leadoff triple. A solid example of how his OBP prowess is often wasted with the #6-9 portion of the lineup behind him.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 02:34 PM
Larue grounds into a 6-4-3 double play. 0-0 mid 2nd.

OldRightHander
05-18-2005, 02:35 PM
:angry:

Roy Tucker
05-18-2005, 02:37 PM
Lord love a duck.

Chip R
05-18-2005, 02:37 PM
Amazing way to strand an Adam Dunn leadoff triple. A solid example of how his OBP prowess is often wasted with the #6-9 portion of the lineup behind him.He should be traded because he didn't steal home. ;)

Roy Tucker
05-18-2005, 02:39 PM
get more downspin on it. make it sink with a 2-seam grip..or cut if you grip it like a 4-seamer.
Thanks RL. So he comes more over the top with it instead of just letting it rip?

M2
05-18-2005, 02:39 PM
Piazza just missed on two gift-wrapped gopherballs there.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 02:40 PM
Piazza just missed on two gift-wrapped gopherballs there.

Mike's marriage has depleted him of his mojo.

Caveat Emperor
05-18-2005, 02:40 PM
Hey Gang...Stuck in Toledo doing training for my internship. No radio, so keep good with the PBP! :thumbup:

Ravenlord
05-18-2005, 02:41 PM
Thanks RL. So he comes more over the top with it instead of just letting it rip?yes on the two-seam. yes, and on the four-seam cutter you snap your wrist more than you would with just a normal release.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 02:41 PM
Fran Healy is making fun of the Reds for holding Piazza... say's it's silly and that the order is coming from the dugout... more wood for the bonfire.

Nice deke by the Reds.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 02:42 PM
Piazza walked

OldRightHander
05-18-2005, 02:42 PM
Anybody see that play Griffey just made? Was it as good as Marty described it?

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 02:42 PM
Piazza lead off with a walk

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 02:43 PM
Floyd with a fielder's choice, Piazza out at 2B.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 02:43 PM
I didn't hear it but Griffey threw out Piazza at 2nd for a fielder's choice.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 02:43 PM
Cameron broken bat single to CF, Griffey dekes Piazza and he gets thrown out at 2nd, Wright FB CF

He' 4-7 against Milton ( Istarted him on my team today.. I'm shameful)

flyer85
05-18-2005, 02:44 PM
Gopher Alert!!

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 02:44 PM
Wright flies out to Griffey.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 02:44 PM
Chris Woodward hits a HR and the Mets are up 2-0

RosieRed
05-18-2005, 02:44 PM
Home run No. 1 for Milton today.

Where's Raisor?

Stormy
05-18-2005, 02:44 PM
Amazing, Milton left gopherballs hanging out in front of Piazza, Wright and Woodward... and one of them (the least likely) finally converts. Be thankful for the wind and Piazza's baserunning gaffe, or it would be worse.

Caveat Emperor
05-18-2005, 02:45 PM
Home run No. 1 for Milton today.

Where's Raisor?

Did somebody have an over-under on Milton's HRs today?

M2
05-18-2005, 02:45 PM
You wonder if as soon as Woodward saw his name on the lineup card against Milton if it dawned on him that he'd get his first homer of the season today?

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 02:46 PM
That is the 15th home run Milton has allowed this year.

Stormy
05-18-2005, 02:46 PM
Cameron broken bat single to CF, Griffey dekes Piazza and he gets thrown out at 2nd, Wright FB CF

He' 4-7 against Milton ( Istarted him on my team today.. I'm shameful)

It was Floyd with the broken bat single, and you are right that Griff did a nice job of selling the deke to Piazza.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 02:46 PM
The amazing part is how bad judy hitters are as likely to take Milton deep as anyone.

Chip R
05-18-2005, 02:49 PM
You wonder if as soon as Woodward saw his name on the lineup card against Milton if it dawned on him that he'd get his first homer of the season today?I'm sure there were some POed Mets when they found out they weren't starting today. Has Glavine HRed this year? I wouldn't bet against him going deep. Hell, Randolph probably wants to grab a bat too.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 02:50 PM
FYI here are Jimenez's lifetime numbers vs a LH

.261/.333/.322/.654 and Kearns .268/.405/.378/.783

Milton is on 41 pitches after 2... 27% of them against the opposing teams pitcher.

And people say the numbers don't say alot.

Stormy
05-18-2005, 02:51 PM
You wonder if as soon as Woodward saw his name on the lineup card against Milton if it dawned on him that he'd get his first homer of the season today?

As you implied moments earlier, it was a matter of time. Frankly, the exact same pitch was served up on a platter to Piazza and Wright, who both missed putting the swing on it. Woodward just happened to be the first guy to put the wood on it just right. You know Woodward had to be happy to see his name on the lineup card... let's hope Felipe takes Glavine yard today, to once again emphasize his supermacy in the battle of the once heir apparents to the Blue Jays SS position.

2-0 Mets, after Glavine's fly out to Dunn is caught up in the swirling wind... headed to the 3rd inning.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 02:51 PM
And people say the numbers don't say alot.Those are the people that only pay attention to the numbers when they confirm what they want to believe.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 02:52 PM
- M. Piazza walked
- C. Floyd grounded into fielder's choice, M. Piazza out at second
- D. Wright flied out to center
- C. Woodward homered to deep left, C. Floyd scored
- K. Matsui singled to right
- T. Glavine flied out to left


2-0 Mets going to the top of the 3rd.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 02:55 PM
that was fast, 2-0 Mets in the middle of the 3rd.

Looks like they may be in a hurry to get home.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 02:55 PM
Reds 3rd:

- E. Milton grounded out to shortstop
- R. Freel flied out to center
- F. Lopez flied out to right

smith288
05-18-2005, 02:56 PM
Reds 3rd:

- E. Milton grounded out to shortstop
- R. Freel flied out to center
- F. Lopez flied out to right We suck so bad we only get 2 outs now?

edit: nevermind, you updated your post. ;)

Stormy
05-18-2005, 02:57 PM
FYI here are Jimenez's lifetime numbers vs a LH

.261/.333/.322/.654 and Kearns .268/.405/.378/.783

Milton is on 41 pitches after 2... 27% of them against the opposing teams pitcher.

And people say the numbers don't say alot.

Those are two very telling sets of numbers, with the latter really demonstrating just how much Milton is struggling to miss opponent bats. As if to drive the disparity home, Glavine follows his prolonged AB versus Milton with a 6 pitch inning of his own.

rdiersin
05-18-2005, 02:57 PM
FYI here are Jimenez's lifetime numbers vs a LH

.261/.333/.322/.654 and Kearns .268/.405/.378/.783

Milton is on 41 pitches after 2... 27% of them against the opposing teams pitcher.

And people say the numbers don't say alot.

interesting note from BP
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4046

Meanwhile, the offense is clicking this week thanks to Ken Griffey Jr. (.355/.382/.645), Austin Kearns (.364/.423/.545), and of course, Adam Dunn (.200/.500/.700).

flyer85
05-18-2005, 02:57 PM
Interesting conversation with Marty and Lancaster. Marty stated that some people on this team are too comfortable because they think nothing will happen. Marty posited maybe they need to release somebody and eat the contract like they did with Haynes. Lancaster dropped the name of DJ but he said he doesn't think anything is going to happen.

traderumor
05-18-2005, 02:57 PM
How Marty and whoever he was talking to today (Fay?) can point the finger at the offense, ever, for this debacle of a team, makes me think they just really do not understand the first thing about the game. A historically joke of a pitching staff and they are bemoaning the one or two good efforts a week the offense gets to work with from the chuckers. Just amazing they get paid to do what they do.

Falls City Beer
05-18-2005, 02:58 PM
I never say this, but: this team needs a new manager (yes, they need everything else too, but I'm simply talking about the realistic near-future). This team needs a strong paternal presence who's had some success managing. In short, they need someone to ease this shellshock.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 02:58 PM
at least it stayed in the park.

PuffyPig
05-18-2005, 02:59 PM
Those are two very telling sets of numbers, with the latter really demonstrating just how much Milton is struggling to miss opponent bats. As if to drive the disparityhome, Glavine follows it with a 6 pitch inning.

But for the record, Glavine was at 39 pitches after 2 innings, as he was saved by his ability to get the Reds to hit line drives at the CF with RISP.

But you will see a different Glavine the rest of the game, as we didn't score early when we had the chance.

M2
05-18-2005, 02:59 PM
Reyes has unreal speed.

That said, most CFs put that ball in their pocket.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:00 PM
at least it stayed in the park.

Reyes tripled to deep center for those that aren't watching or following along somewhere else.

traderumor
05-18-2005, 03:00 PM
Interesting conversation with Marty and Lancaster. Marty stated that some people on this team are too comfortable because they think nothing will happen. Marty posited maybe they need to release somebody and eat the contract like they did with Haynes. Lancaster dropped the name of DJ but he said he doesn't think anything is going to happen.You don't release a Jimenez, he has some value, as opposed to a Jimmay, who had no value. Someone would take D'Ang and pay that salary, might not bring back much at this point since they've taken to sitting him, but someone would take his contract off our hands. Been calling for that deal for weeks now.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:01 PM
Cairo popped out to 3B. 1 out, runner on 3rd

flyer85
05-18-2005, 03:02 PM
did Casey stretch too soon on that one(a bad habit he has)?

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:03 PM
Milton gets Cameron to 0 and 2, Cameron grounds to Jimenez, and Jimenez throws it away. Reyes scores, 3-0 Mets, and I'm going to lunch.

Stormy
05-18-2005, 03:03 PM
at least it stayed in the park.

Only because it's Reyes + Wind... but I think that same wind kept Griffey from making a better play on it. Regardless, Milton is just catching WAY too much of the plate, despite seeming slight improvement moving the ball to work the inside/outside of the plate. Just far too many 'fastballs' being grooved, and too many 78mph curves left hanging, to get through opposing lineups with any regularity. Many more gopherballs to come at this rate.

Speaking of which, Piazza just misses, following DJ's nice stop and bad throw on Cameron's grounder.

OldRightHander
05-18-2005, 03:04 PM
Pitch to contact is working today. They're making contact.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:04 PM
Piazza doubles, Cameron to 3B with Floyd coming up...

and now I'm staying until after Wright hits, then I'm going to lunch..

westofyou
05-18-2005, 03:05 PM
Good Day for a Boat Ride eh?

http://www.deadballart.com/redszone/minnow.jpg

flyer85
05-18-2005, 03:05 PM
Harder to right a ship after it has already sunk.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:05 PM
Floyd pops up to 3rd in foul territory. 2 outs. Runners on 2nd and 3rd.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 03:06 PM
Good Day for a Boat Ride eh?

http://www.deadballart.com/redszone/minnow.jpginteresting we were thinking of a similar analogy at the same time.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 03:06 PM
pass out the utensils.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:07 PM
D. Wright safe at first on third baseman J. Randa's fielding error, M. Cameron scored, M. Piazza to third

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:08 PM
Going to lunch now before it gets REAL ugly

Falls City Beer
05-18-2005, 03:09 PM
People need to be pitying us fans. I need pity. I'm a Reds' fan.

OldRightHander
05-18-2005, 03:10 PM
Uh oh. Milton will get fined for that strikeout. He didn't pitch to contact.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 03:10 PM
BTW, Who is Gilligan?

traderumor
05-18-2005, 03:11 PM
did Casey stretch too soon on that one(a bad habit he has)?Casey's bad habits are piling up

TRF
05-18-2005, 03:36 PM
redszone hiccups, but the reds now trail 4-2.

traderumor
05-18-2005, 03:37 PM
Since the board was down, the Reds did the nearly impossible task of loading the bases twice in the same inning and only scored on a two out single.

traderumor
05-18-2005, 03:38 PM
All who were hoping for a Miley ejection got their wish.

Stormy
05-18-2005, 03:41 PM
Props in retrospect to Casey, who turned on 2 inside pitches, then went the other way for an RBI single in his last AB. Closest I've seen him come to returning to his more productive form all season. Unfortunately, he hasn't had much help. Milton has served up a number of very, very hittable pitches, but he's also busted players in on the hands, forced some timely pop ups etc... and has actually pitched better than his line suggests, for a change.

Joseph
05-18-2005, 03:41 PM
All who were hoping for a Miley ejection got their wish.

Finally? I can't get my net radio to work, maybe they finally caught them, but I can't listen :(

TRF
05-18-2005, 03:42 PM
psst. wkki.net.

you didn't hear it from me.

Joseph
05-18-2005, 03:43 PM
psst. wkki.net.

you didn't hear it from me.

That's my usual, but it's giving me some kind of error message today.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:43 PM
Mets 5th:

- M. Cairo grounded out to shortstop
- M. Cameron grounded out to shortstop
- M. Piazza singled to center
- C. Floyd flied out to center


Going to the 6th 4-2 Mets. Both Milton and Glavine have thrown 80 pitches through 6 IP.

creek14
05-18-2005, 03:44 PM
I am the only woman in my office. I am the only Reds fan. I am taking a beating like Paul Wilson in the first inning against the Dodgers.

Puffy
05-18-2005, 03:45 PM
Good game thus far for Casey. Bad game for Junior.

Puffy
05-18-2005, 03:46 PM
I am the only woman in my office.

Me too.

Wait, did I actually type that......

TRF
05-18-2005, 03:47 PM
athensi.com

click on wath

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:48 PM
Dunn K's to start the 6th.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:49 PM
Everyday Joe grounds out to SS.

OnBaseMachine
05-18-2005, 03:49 PM
Dunn K's to start the 6th.

Swung at ball 4.

Expanded his strike zone like some wanted.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:50 PM
Jimenez singles to right.

Pretty good game so far from D'Lo.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 03:51 PM
no PH for Milton?

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:51 PM
LaRue also singles. D'Lo to 2nd.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 03:51 PM
Swung at ball 4.

Expanded his strike zone like some wanted.

Yeah but Glavines off speed stuff fooled him that time.

Milton get a AB with runners on... oh joy we have 12 regular players are we sad or what?

TRF
05-18-2005, 03:51 PM
Single by LaRue

TRF
05-18-2005, 03:53 PM
AAAArrrrggghhhh!!!!

like D'Lo has wheels. like it wasn't a single to LEFT! arrrggghhh!

RANDY IN INDY
05-18-2005, 03:53 PM
Jimenez really showing his hustle and desire by not sliding on that one. This team needs a wakeup call. Lackadaisical? Indifferent? Great team player.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 03:53 PM
Iím not proud of the fact that I never learned much,
Just feel I should say,
What you get is all real,
I canít put on an act,
It takes brains to do that anyway. (and anyway...)

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:53 PM
no PH for Milton?

Two out, two on and down by 2, they let Milton hit. Can't blame this one on Miley as he's already been tossed, although it smells a lot like something he'd do.

M2
05-18-2005, 03:53 PM
I don't normally complain about sending runners, but Jiminez had no chance of beating that throw, none.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 03:53 PM
Jimenez really showing his hustle by not sliding on that one. This team needs a wakeup call.

True.. Freel could have moved the bat too.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 03:53 PM
DJ out at the plate.

TRF
05-18-2005, 03:53 PM
Jimenez really showing his hustle by not sliding on that one. This team needs a wakeup call.

Freel would have drop kicked Piazza.

M2
05-18-2005, 03:56 PM
Freel would have drop kicked Piazza.

It's the only chance anyone would have had to score on that play. Sliding would have pointless.

RANDY IN INDY
05-18-2005, 03:57 PM
It's the only chance anyone would have had to score on that play. Sliding would have pointless.

Explain?

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 03:59 PM
Explain?

He was out by about the length of a 1979 Pontiac Station wagon?

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 03:59 PM
Matsui drives in a run 5-2 Mets

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:00 PM
Other teams make scoring look so easy. For the Reds it is pulling teeth.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:01 PM
Wow they PH for their pitcher. Last innning was the perfect time to use Kearns.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 04:01 PM
Jimenez commits an error. Mets now have runners on 1st and 2nd with one out.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 04:02 PM
DJ is having himself a rollercoaster game

RANDY IN INDY
05-18-2005, 04:02 PM
Mets announcers were bumfuzzled by Jimenez not sliding. Said he might have had a chance if he slid toward the first base side of the plate. Wow! Jimenez is a train wreck. Booted a sure double play ball.

M2
05-18-2005, 04:02 PM
Explain?

Piazza was waiting for him with the ball in hand. Unless you somehow think Jiminez can stretch his body like Mr. Fantastic there's no slide in the universe that was going to avoid that tag.

traderumor
05-18-2005, 04:02 PM
So, is Jimenez tanking his way out of town? His background suggests he would be a prime candidate.

OldRightHander
05-18-2005, 04:02 PM
"This is one man who has no complaint whatsoever when he sits more than he plays."

Marty just summed up our stellar second baseman rather well.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:02 PM
Maybe DJ is trying to get himself released.

RANDY IN INDY
05-18-2005, 04:03 PM
Piazza was waiting for him with the ball in hand. Unless you somehow think Jiminez can stretch his body like Mr. Fantastic there's no slide in the universe that was avoid that tag.

Probably saved on the dry cleaning bill by not sliding.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 04:03 PM
This is turning into a comedy of errors. Matsui goes to 3rd on the wild pitch.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:04 PM
So, is Jimenez tanking his way out of town? His background suggests he would be a prime candidate.His modus operandi has always been once he loses the starting job he is quickly sent packing.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 04:04 PM
Piazza was waiting for him with the ball in hand. Unless you somehow think Jiminez can stretch his body like Mr. Fantastic there's no slide in the universe that was going to avoid that tag.

I prefer the irreverence of Plasticman.

http://www.keystar-r-s.com/reviews/pics/comics/dc/Plasticman.jpg

Ted Robinson is a Mets homer after 2 years.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 04:04 PM
"This is one man who has no complaint whatsoever when he sits more than he plays."

Marty just summed up our stellar second baseman rather well.

Marty just said that about D'Angelo?

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 04:05 PM
Reyes drives in a run 6-2 Mets.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:05 PM
Game is over ... a little late to change pitchers.

Puffy
05-18-2005, 04:05 PM
Milton has not pitched great today, but 3 errors in less than 6 innings has not helped one bit.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 04:06 PM
His modus operandi has always been once he loses the starting job he is quickly sent packing.

Yea, D'Angelo is not a bench player according to D'Angelo. If he's not starting, you're best getting him somewhere where he will...

Joseph
05-18-2005, 04:07 PM
Yea, D'Angelo is not a bench player according to D'Angelo. If he's not starting, you're best getting him somewhere where he will...

Today's performance should help expedite that move.

RANDY IN INDY
05-18-2005, 04:07 PM
Yea, D'Angelo is not a bench player according to D'Angelo. If he's not starting, you're best getting him somewhere where he will...

Maybe................the Independent league? ;)

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 04:08 PM
Weathers in to pitch

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 04:08 PM
Maybe................the Independent league? ;)

I'd trade him for "Oil Can" Boyd at this point, bad hamstring and all.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:09 PM
Today's performance should help expedite that move.he certainly has trade value only a little north of zero.

traderumor
05-18-2005, 04:09 PM
Yea, D'Angelo is not a bench player according to D'Angelo. If he's not starting, you're best getting him somewhere where he will...

Problem is, there aren't too many folks looking for a second baseman.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:10 PM
Dj is lucky Billy Martin isn't the Reds manager.

RANDY IN INDY
05-18-2005, 04:10 PM
Tomorrow may be an interesting day in the Queen City. Nah, with this bunch, that is a little too optimistic.

RANDY IN INDY
05-18-2005, 04:11 PM
Problem is, there aren't too many folks looking for a second baseman.

Is that what Jimenez is calling himself these days?

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:11 PM
Tomorrow may be an interesting day in the Queen City. Nah, with this bunch, that is a little too optimistic.Not with DanO in charge, it will take at least a month for a decision.

Redny
05-18-2005, 04:11 PM
The Mets announcer closed the inning out by saying "nice job by that Reds bullpen". When was the last time you heard that.

Puffy
05-18-2005, 04:12 PM
The last time the Reds won back to back games was April 17 and 18.

Since the Reds were 10-10 they have gone 4-16 (assuming a loss today) for a winning percentage of .200

Since the Reds swept the Mets in the first three games of the year they are 11-26 for a winning percentage of .297

westofyou
05-18-2005, 04:12 PM
Miltons pattern continues, prior to the game his k rate with the bases empty, 5.7 with runners on 4.2.

M2
05-18-2005, 04:12 PM
I don't like the two errors Jiminez has committed today, but anyone griping about the non-slide is way off track as far as I'm concerned. He had to run 10-15 feet just to get tagged on that play.

OldRightHander
05-18-2005, 04:13 PM
Marty just said that about D'Angelo?

Yep, that was the exact quote. He said that right after he booted that grounder.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:13 PM
The Mets announcer closed the inning out by saying "nice job by that Reds bullpen". When was the last time you heard that.maybe they have a soft spot for Tackleberry

rdiersin
05-18-2005, 04:14 PM
Problem is, there aren't too many folks looking for a second baseman.

I've never heard or thought of this but can he play 3B? He was a SS, so I would think he probably has the arm. With the number of pitches/PA he has in the past, I could see DePo taking him off our hands, with a little bit in return. Not much, but something. Not saying it would be likely, just that it seems plausible.

M2
05-18-2005, 04:15 PM
Yep, that was the exact quote. He said that right after he booted that grounder.

I've seen Ryan Freel and Rich Aurilia have bad games in the field too, but Marty never seems to translate that into a character flaw with them. Hmmm.

OldRightHander
05-18-2005, 04:15 PM
Casey just a triple away from the cycle. Anyone have the odds of that happening?

Puffy
05-18-2005, 04:16 PM
Rally time.

Just sayin'

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 04:16 PM
Problem is, there aren't too many folks looking for a second baseman.

The only hope I see is that the Yanks package Robinson Cano and Wang in a deal for Clemens, and need to keep Womack in the OF, thus needing a 2B. My guess is they would probably trade for a Bret Boone before they'd trade for Jimenez, though.

RANDY IN INDY
05-18-2005, 04:16 PM
Jimenez will probably pull up laim before the day is over, so maybe that will solve the problem for 15 - 30 days.

MWM
05-18-2005, 04:16 PM
Running down 4 runs???????????? Brilliant.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:17 PM
I've seen Ryan Freel and Rich Aurilia have bad games in the field too, but Marty never seems to translate that into a character flaw with them. Hmmm.maybe it is because both with routine plays?

rdiersin
05-18-2005, 04:17 PM
I've seen Ryan Freel and Rich Aurilia have bad games in the field too, but Marty never seems to translate that into a character flaw with them. Hmmm.

Thats because Aurillia hasn't spent enough time on the bench for Marty to say anything. :laugh:

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:17 PM
Running down 4 runs???????????? Brilliant.didn't want Case to GIDP?

RANDY IN INDY
05-18-2005, 04:18 PM
Running down 4 runs???????????? Brilliant.

I was thinking the same exact thing. Amazing.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 04:18 PM
I've never heard or thought of this but can he play 3B? He was a SS, so I would think he probably has the arm. With the number of pitches/PA he has in the past, I could see DePo taking him off our hands, with a little bit in return. Not much, but something. Not saying it would be likely, just that it seems plausible.

He played 2B/SS/3B for the White Sox before we traded for him, but I'd much rather trade Randa and get something of worth in return if dealing with the Dodgers (they have a lot in their system we could use), than to deal Jimenez there and get nothing in return.

rdiersin
05-18-2005, 04:20 PM
He played 2B/SS/3B for the White Sox before we traded for him, but I'd much rather trade Randa and get something of worth in return if dealing with the Dodgers (they have a lot in their system we could use), than to deal Jimenez there and get nothing in return.

I agree, I was just giving an example.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:21 PM
Case needs a triple

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 04:22 PM
Case needs a triple

Odds 5,000,000:1

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:24 PM
Odds 5,000,000:1it could happen. :eek: It would be worth the price of admission to see him make a headfirst slide for a triple.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 04:24 PM
What would be real sweet is if he had a sure double and tried to go for the triple...

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 04:25 PM
Mute point. Casey singles in Freel

Puffy
05-18-2005, 04:25 PM
Casey singles, drives in Freel.

Mets 6
Casey 3

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 04:25 PM
Dae-Sung Koo coming in to pitch

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:25 PM
pitching change?

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:26 PM
koo koo cachoo

lollipopcurve
05-18-2005, 04:27 PM
Listening to the Mets Fox team the last two nights has been painful (the use of Kiner is truly bizarre), but I did enjoy their appelation, Mr. Koo.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 04:28 PM
If you take away todays game Casey would have this line for May .315/.333/.426/.759

Money

Kc61
05-18-2005, 04:29 PM
I'll stand up for Jimenez. The guy was excellent last year. He got off poorly this year and lost his job. He is not a good bench player. He is asked to play sporadically and just doesn't do well in those situations. I believe that if he was starting he would be doing well by now. That's what happened last year when he started slowly but was allowed to play out of it.

If they want to go with Freel at second, fine with me, trade Jimenez. But his play is not the story of this game. Another bad performance by Eric Milton is. I know there were errors, but he did not pitch well. He hardly ever pitches well. He and Wilson are killing this team with their regular awful performances. I have elaborated on this in other posts.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:30 PM
first time this year that Cachoo has pitched 3 days in a row.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 04:31 PM
Junior walks and Dunn strikes out. 2 outs with runners on 1st and 2nd.

Kc61
05-18-2005, 04:31 PM
Hey Dave, you see what happens when you bunch up all your lefty hitters? They bring in lefty pitchers and eventually get the big out. Then, when all your righties come up bunched together, they bring in righty pitchers to face them. That's what happens.

M2
05-18-2005, 04:32 PM
Problem is, there aren't too many folks looking for a second baseman.

I beg to differ. The Yankees and Twins have a glaring need. If Luis Castillo's leg doesn't comply, the Marlins will need one. The Angels need one, though they'll probably hope for Kennedy or Figgins to bounce back before making a deal. There's a few other teams that might get interested if D'Angelo's bat wakes up.

MWM
05-18-2005, 04:32 PM
That strike three to Dunn was a foot outside.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 04:33 PM
DeJean in to pitch

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:34 PM
am I the only one that thinks it is a bad idea to put the three lefties together when the opponent has only one LH pitcher in the pen?

Hoosier Red
05-18-2005, 04:35 PM
Hey Dave, you see what happens when you bunch up all your lefty hitters? They bring in lefty pitchers and eventually get the big out. Then, when all your righties come up bunched together, they bring in righty pitchers to face them. That's what happens.

That's not necessarily fair. Casey got a hit, Griffey Walked, Dunn K'd. Coulda happened with a right hander just as easily.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 04:35 PM
Randa grounds out 6-3 Mets mid 7th.

M2
05-18-2005, 04:35 PM
Listening to the Mets Fox team the last two nights has been painful (the use of Kiner is truly bizarre), but I did enjoy their appelation, Mr. Koo.

I'm actually thinking of watching more Mets games just so I can hear Fran Healy more often.

RANDY IN INDY
05-18-2005, 04:35 PM
Too bad Jimenez was not playing second for the Mets on that weak grounder from Randa. ;)

MWM
05-18-2005, 04:36 PM
Randa's left a lot of guys on base over the last couple of weeks.

Puffy
05-18-2005, 04:36 PM
Randa now 0 for 4, a small village left on the bases, and an error which allowed a run to score.

Not his best day. Nor Jimenez's. Nor Milton's.

RANDY IN INDY
05-18-2005, 04:37 PM
Randa's left a lot of guys on base over the last couple of weeks.

That could probably be said for a lot of Reds.

PuffyPig
05-18-2005, 04:37 PM
am I the only one that thinks it is a bad idea to put the three lefties together when the opponent has only one LH pitcher in the pen?

If they had a number of lefties, it would make less sense.

But it them only able to do the matchup once, Id say go for it. Their closer pitches very poorly against LH hitters, and now we guarantee that he will have to face the lefties, with them using thie only LH reliver in the 7th.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:39 PM
Randa's left a lot of guys on base over the last couple of weeks.In his case it is regressing to the norm which was bound to happen.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:41 PM
If they had a number of lefties, it would make less sense.

But it them only able to do the matchup once, Id say go for it. Their closer pitches very poorly against LH hitters, and now we guarantee that he will have to face the lefties, with them using thie only LH reliver in the 7th.Koo has such radical splits, that you want him to face a RH hitter. If they take him out then the next LH hitter gets a RH pitcher.

MWM
05-18-2005, 04:42 PM
Sometimes players make errors. Sometimes they have bad games. Casey had a horrible defensive game (multiple errors but only charged with one) against the Cards when they came back in the 9th. It happens. Prior to today, DJ hadn't made a single error all year. That same game (I think it was that game), Randa, the sure handed 3B made a critical error that gets them out of that inning. You can get on DJ for lack of hustle today, but he's played pretty good defense since he's been in cincy. He only made 7 errors all last year as well. It's not like he's an error machine. It's just one of those days every player has from time to time.

Puffy
05-18-2005, 04:44 PM
Mike Piazza, struggling mightily thru Sunday, is 6 for 10 in this series.

Nothing like Reds pitching to cure what ails you!!

Stormy
05-18-2005, 04:44 PM
I beg to differ. The Yankees and Twins have a glaring need. If Luis Castillo's leg doesn't comply, the Marlins will need one. The Angels need one, though they'll probably hope for Kennedy or Figgins to bounce back before making a deal. There's a few other teams that might get interested if D'Angelo's bat wakes up.

Given the severity and length of his slump, and the middle infield situation, I guess the question becomes: If we want to re-establish DJ's trade value by getting him PT and by improving his numbers, how do we go about getting him the needed, regular ABs to do so? If we want to keep Freel's OBP at the top of the order, and Lopez's developmental process in place (both of which the team needs to do), then how do we get DJ in the lineup without Freel taking RF away from both Kearns and a returning WMP (which are both HUGE no-no's)?

I can't think of a way to get DJ another 100-150ABs before the A/S break in an attempt to escalate his value and numbers, so we'll have to rely upon a team willing to look past his current struggles towards his past decent production... i.e. the same type of situation he was in when the Reds traded for him with little else than Scott Dunn. I wouldn't expect much of a return at this juncture, unfortunately.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:45 PM
but he's played pretty good defense since he's been in cincy. As long as you excuse how awful he is at turning the DP. The only one worse I have ever seen is Todd Walker. DJ was in the middle of the Cards rally by flipping the DP ball off his back foot. He has no guts in turning the DP.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 04:47 PM
Mets now have the bases loaded with 2 outs.

traderumor
05-18-2005, 04:47 PM
I beg to differ. The Yankees and Twins have a glaring need. If Luis Castillo's leg doesn't comply, the Marlins will need one. The Angels need one, though they'll probably hope for Kennedy or Figgins to bounce back before making a deal. There's a few other teams that might get interested if D'Angelo's bat wakes up.The Yankees have been the most likely candidate, except since they were the most likely candidate two weeks ago and making the shakeup moves, they've rattled off 11 straight. The panic button was hit, disaster averted temporarily, they'll think everything's OK. At least that was my thought process for them. Thought the A's might, with Scutaro there once Crosby comes back, but unlikely. The Angels do have Kennedy, which is why I didn't see them as a target. Twins do like our rejects apparently, maybe they're the most likely. Regardless, he should have been dealt long before they got to the point of benching him. Now, they have his value depressed. Hard to believe the FO would wait to long and now have an asset worth less due to inaction, I know.

Stormy
05-18-2005, 04:49 PM
In his case it is regressing to the norm which was bound to happen.

By the deadline, his production will likely be hovering around it's typical 760+OPS watermark despite the fast start, and he'll likely have very little trade value. There aren't many significant deals made in the early trade market, but Randa is the type of commodity we need to move the second we get a solid offer for him, rather than waiting for the better offer that never comes. Hope for a Randa hot streak over the next 2-3 weeks, and move him to a 3B desperate team in June, if we can.

MWM
05-18-2005, 04:49 PM
As long as you excuse how awful he is at turning the DP. The only one worse I have ever seen is Todd Walker. DJ was in the middle of the Cards rally by flipping the DP ball off his back foot. He has no guts in turning the DP.

That's why I said pretty good. I'd say he's neutral to below average defensivley because of the DP and lack of range (although not Rich Aurilia range). But he rarely makes errors.

One thing I noticed when I was sitting in the Diamond Seats earlier this year and I was about 10 feet from the on-deck circle is that DJ looks really out of shape. The guy has a gut. The person I was there with agreed. There's no excuse for that when you're a professional athlete. If DJ is not in good shape, he deserves what he's getting.

RANDY IN INDY
05-18-2005, 04:51 PM
By the deadline, his production will likely be hovering around it's typical 760+OPS watermark despite the fast start, and he'll likely have very little trade value. There aren't many significant deals made in the early trade market, but Randa is the type of commodity we need to move the second we get a solid offer for him, rather than waiting for the better offer that never comes. Hope for a Randa hot streak over the next 2-3 weeks, and move him to a 3B desperate team in June, if we can.

Good points. Totally agree.

M2
05-18-2005, 04:52 PM
Given the severity and length of his slump, and the middle infield situation, I guess the question becomes: If we want to re-establish DJ's trade value by getting him PT and by improving his numbers, how do we go about getting him the needed, regular ABs to do so? If we want to keep Freel's OBP at the top of the order, and Lopez's developmental process in place (both of which the team needs to do), then how do we get DJ in the lineup without Freel taking RF away from both Kearns and a returning WMP (which are both HUGE no-no's)?

I can't think of a way to get DJ another 100-150ABs before the A/S break in an attempt to escalate his value and numbers, so we'll have to rely upon a team willing to look past his current struggles towards his past decent production... i.e. the same type of situation he was in when the Reds traded for him with little else than Scott Dunn. I wouldn't expect much of a return at this juncture, unfortunately.

He's 2-2 with a walk so far today. He's been hitting pretty well for the better part of two weeks now, OB is up to .322 already.

Another good week or two and his numbers will look respectable.

Frankly, I'm not that worried about stealing time from Kearns or Freel or Randa ... or Jr. or Casey for that matter. I'd have them all rotating.

Reds Fanatic
05-18-2005, 04:53 PM
Mercker relieves and gets Beltran to ground out. 6-3 Mets after 7.

westofyou
05-18-2005, 04:53 PM
Frankly, I'm not that worried about stealing time from Kearns or Freel or Randa ... or Jr. or Casey for that matter. I'd have them all rotating.

me too... but I wouldn't sit a RH slugger against a LH pitcher too.

RANDY IN INDY
05-18-2005, 04:55 PM
Most GM's will know exactly what they are getting if they deal for Jimenez, but I wouldn't hold my breath on getting much for him at this point. In my opinion, given the situation, it would just be nice to move him.

M2
05-18-2005, 04:56 PM
me too... but I wouldn't sit a RH slugger against a LH pitcher too.

I wouldn't normally do it either, unless that RH slugger was Austin Kearns (who's never hit lefties for much power - .392 career SLG) and the LH pitcher was Tom Glavine (who's always been easier to hit from the LH side).

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:56 PM
Good thing we have Kearns on the bench. He will come in handy in the 12th.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 04:59 PM
Shouldn't have PH with Cruz. His slider speed bat is overmatched by a good fastball, which is what Hernandez has.

Stormy
05-18-2005, 05:01 PM
He can't find a Walk with a compass, but that Reyes sure can scoot around the bases when he puts the ball into a corner. Fun to watch, even if his OBP isn't.

MWM
05-18-2005, 05:01 PM
Danny Graves pitches look like they're floating up to the plate.

M2
05-18-2005, 05:01 PM
I love watching Jose Reyes run.

Red Leader
05-18-2005, 05:02 PM
Danny Graves pitches look like they're floating up to the plate.

They are.

flyer85
05-18-2005, 05:03 PM
Human Batting Tee now pitching

westofyou
05-18-2005, 05:03 PM
Danny Graves pitches look like they're floating up to the plate.

Hey Georgy We all Float down here.

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/64/1701/320/Pennywise.jpg

MWM
05-18-2005, 05:03 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Saying Danny Graves is pitching batting practice is no longer a joke. It's true. I would bet most major legue hitters hit Graves just as well as they do their batting practice pitcher.

Stormy
05-18-2005, 05:03 PM
Graves keeping it close with his 87mph sinking fastballs floating up in the zone. Reyes triple, sac fly, Cameron taking him out the front door to LCF on a line.

That's a quick way to make it 8-3.

M2
05-18-2005, 05:03 PM
Maybe Danny thought he entered with a three-run lead?

"But coach, the score was 6-3."