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OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 07:51 PM
CLEVELAND AT CINCINNATI -- LINEUPS

CLEVELAND CINCINNATI
AVG HR RBI AVG HR RBI
Grady Sizemore CF .282 3 16 Felipe Lopez SS .289 4 17
Casey Blake RF .192 6 12 William Bergolla 2B .200 0 0
Ben Broussard 1B .264 3 17 Sean Casey 1B .297 2 20
Victor Martinez C .198 2 10 Ken Griffey Jr CF .267 6 24
Jody Gerut LF .333 0 1 Adam Dunn LF .254 11 23
Ronnie Belliard 2B .264 6 17 Joe Randa 3B .279 4 22
Aaron Boone 3B .163 4 13 Austin Kearns RF .245 5 18
Jhonny Peralta SS .270 6 12 Javier Valentin C .212 0 3
Kevin Millwood RHP .000 0 0 Aaron Harang RHP .045 0 1
(1-3, 3.54) (2-2, 3.61)

:rolleyes:

Do I want Dunn or Bergolla getting an extra atbat a game? Hmmm..I think I'll go with Dunn.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 07:53 PM
Like to see Bergolla in the lineup, but rather see him 8th.

Joseph
05-20-2005, 07:54 PM
Valentin again??? I thought LaRue was finally coming around the last few games. And I totally agree about Bergolla. Nice lineup construction there.

CincyRedsFan30
05-20-2005, 07:59 PM
Is Freel too young to play now?

Is he going to be dumped next? :rolleyes:

RosieRed
05-20-2005, 07:59 PM
:thumbdown :bang: :rolleyes: :help: :angry: :laugh:

Reds1
05-20-2005, 08:08 PM
Is this game not on FSO? According to enquirer it is.

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 08:09 PM
Did anyone else hear the pregame show with Marty & Miley?

Can't recall the exact wording but Miley said that it was at his request (Miley's) that Jimenez was sent packing.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:11 PM
Glad I missed that

Game is blacked out here :help:

CincyRedsFan30
05-20-2005, 08:12 PM
Does O'Brien even watch the team himself or does he just dump players based on what he "hears"?

Matt700wlw
05-20-2005, 08:12 PM
Glad I missed that

Game is blacked out here :help:

The only bummer about home games that aren't on FSN....they black out the away broadcasts

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:13 PM
First Friday game I can remember that is not on FSN

Strange.

Raisor
05-20-2005, 08:14 PM
After a long time on hiatus, a return of the BENDER UPDATE~!

Broussard 328/456-0.784, 19.3 RC, 137 TPA
Casey 339/406-0.746, 17.9 RC, 168 TPA

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 08:15 PM
2 out now and a runner on first for Injuns.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:15 PM
Don't start that again phil ;)

Raisor
05-20-2005, 08:16 PM
Don't start that again phil ;)


:evil:

RedsBaron
05-20-2005, 08:17 PM
Like to see Bergolla in the lineup, but rather see him 8th.
No, no-he "looks" like a no. 2 hitter. Big guys like Adam Dunn don't "look" like no. 2 hitters. No matter than Dunn is almost infinitely better than Bergolla, the Reds can't have get as many at bats. :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:19 PM
No score after 1/2 an inning :D

smith288
05-20-2005, 08:20 PM
No score after 1/2 an inning :D Progress. Take it every 1/2 inning.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:21 PM
Lopez flys out.

Raisor
05-20-2005, 08:22 PM
No score after 1/2 an inning :D


Eric Milton gives up 0 HR in 0 IP

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:23 PM
Miley says with DJ gone Bergolla will be getting more playing time

Yes..because Freel and Lopez can't be our starters.

Falls City Beer
05-20-2005, 08:23 PM
Reds should be TV-MA.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:24 PM
I wish we had gotten Milwood instead of Milton

Just saying ;)

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:24 PM
Bergolla strikes out.

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 08:25 PM
Bergolla strikes out.

He couldn't have hit that pitch with a power pole.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:25 PM
He couldn't have hit that pitch with a power pole.

Marty didn't mention that to me ;)

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 08:26 PM
Marty didn't mention that to me ;)

:D

Gameday showed that pitch being a good foot outside.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:26 PM
Casey grounds out to Aaron Boone

No score..1 inning..we are NOT LOSING WOOHOO :D

letsgojunior
05-20-2005, 08:29 PM
Hey threadies :wave:

Matt700wlw
05-20-2005, 08:31 PM
Hal says the Jiminez release was a popular clubhouse move...

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:31 PM
Hal loved the move..says it was real popular in the clubhouse..quotes an unnamed player.

Nice to hear Marty and Hal slam someone other then Dunn

Marty comments the team should start playing better..lets ignore that some of the team just stinks.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:32 PM
Boone up..some guy on 1st (sorry!) 1 out

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:33 PM
Miley would not commit to Freel at 2nd...:explode:

Boone strikes out

Stormy
05-20-2005, 08:34 PM
Miley says with DJ gone Bergolla will be getting more playing time

Yes..because Freel and Lopez can't be our starters.

DJ's release, if it's outright, is absurdist. However, the one positive aspect of it would be to provide Freel a place to play, and leadoff, everyday (2B), without stealing all-important ABs from Pena and Kearns. If his departure is instead used to give Bergolla ABs at 2B, while Freel still steals time from Austin and Wily Mo, it compounds what appears to be an already colossally stupid move.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:35 PM
1 1/2 down..no score.

Raisor
05-20-2005, 08:37 PM
Hal loved the move..says it was real popular in the clubhouse..quotes an unnamed player.



I think the only way to get past the slump is even MORE hugging! That's the ticket! This should turn into a girls highschool vollyball game, with the guys highfiving and butt patting after every pitch!

it's the only way.

letsgojunior
05-20-2005, 08:37 PM
If his departure is instead used to give Bergolla ABs at 2B, while Freel still steals time from Austin and Wily Mo, it compounds what appears to be an already colossally stupid move.

Great point, and with Austin's continued frustration, there could be some serious long-term ramifications of this stupidity.

There's no reason IMO that Freel shouldn't start everyday now, and keep the outfield as is. For some reason I fear that Aurilia will be given back SS when he's off the DL, Lopez will be pushed to 2B, and we'll do some ridiculous OF rotation. All part of Dan O'Brien's 50 year plan, as outlined in his trapper keeper.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:38 PM
JR up

He strikes out...people boo.

Stormy
05-20-2005, 08:40 PM
Hal says the Jiminez release was a popular clubhouse move...

Great, this clubhouse needs to be more comfortable and touchy-feely than it already was. Last I checked, this clubhouse loved Wilson's re-signing, Graves' and Casey's extensions and the acquisition of Eric Milton. Try addressing the inherently flawed design of the roster and pitching staff, rather than scapegoating a somewhat productive, affordable middle infielder who was basically relegated to a part-time role during our latest 16 of 20 losing streak.

We know Marty loves the move, and is thrilled to rip DJ, in the same way that he carried a flaming torch for Rich Aurilia and bad mouthed Felipe Lopez every chance he gets. This clubhouse and/or Marty loving a move is akin to a kiss of death, as I can't remember the last time either one got a single intuition right... ever.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:40 PM
Dunn up.

He strikes out..more people boo

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:40 PM
Randa singles.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 08:45 PM
Kearns up

He strikes out looking..nice at bat though.

FlyingPig
05-20-2005, 08:45 PM
Boy....this are looking bleak around here..

The dog won't sit with me..
The wife hasn't looked desirable lately..
My training for the NY City Marathon doesn't turn me on anymore..
Vonzell got voted off American Idol..
and my mother-in-law has visited 3 days in a row...


I really...REALLY need a 10 game winning streak...

bad.

:help:

Virginia Beach Reds
05-20-2005, 08:45 PM
what in the world is wrong with Austin Kearns? He looks like he has no clue up there. none whatsoever.

Been like that really every game I've watched so far.

Reds Nd2
05-20-2005, 08:46 PM
:rolleyes:

Do I want Dunn or Bergolla getting an extra atbat a game? Hmmm..I think I'll go with Dunn.

Nah. I like Bergolla's speed at the top of the lineup. But, if they aren't going to split up the lefties, I'd switch Dunn and Casey. You mentioned the other night that the 5th spot leads off as many innings as the 1st spot, or something like that. Switching them moves Dunn up, which you like, while still allowing more RBI opps., which I like, from the 3 spot and it reduces Casey's GIDP opps which we all like.

Stormy
05-20-2005, 08:46 PM
Kearns goes down looking after a nice battle, where he was expecting an outer-half offspeed pitch and instead got locked up inside. Still, I think he went to school in that At Bat.

Kearns has Millwood's fastball timed and his slider figured out, after getting a good look at both in this protracted AB. Before the game is over I'd be willing to bet that he will jack one out to LCF, the F.O. should follow by releasing him, burning him, then benching him (in that order).

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 08:48 PM
Nah. I like Bergolla's speed at the top of the lineup. But, if they aren't going to split up the lefties, I'd switch Dunn and Casey. You mentioned the other night that the 5th spot leads off as many innings as the 1st spot, or something like that. Switching them moves Dunn up, which you like, while still allowing more RBI opps., which I like, from the 3 spot and it reduces Casey's GIDP opps which we all like.

Yeah, but what good is speed if you can't get on base to use it?

Virginia Beach Reds
05-20-2005, 08:48 PM
Harang really is pounding the plate first pitch.

boy, Ohio baseball really is tearing it up this year.

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 08:49 PM
I hate called third strikes...I can live with strikeouts, but please don't watch the third one go by.

Virginia Beach Reds
05-20-2005, 08:50 PM
I hate called third strikes...I can live with strikes, but please don't watch the third one go by.

Then turn off your TV....real quicklike.

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 08:51 PM
I know...three backwards Ks in the second inning... :bang:

Stormy
05-20-2005, 08:53 PM
Nah. I like Bergolla's speed at the top of the lineup. But, if they aren't going to split up the lefties, I'd switch Dunn and Casey. You mentioned the other night that the 5th spot leads off as many innings as the 1st spot, or something like that. Switching them moves Dunn up, which you like, while still allowing more RBI opps., which I like, from the 3 spot and it reduces Casey's GIDP opps which we all like.

Seems at this juncture that most days we should feature a lineup consisting of, until further notice...

Freel 2B
Lopez SS
Dunn LF
WMP/Kearns RF
Griffey CF
Casey 1B
Randa 3B
LaRue/Valentin C

Ideally, we could eventually move Casey, save money and get the less expensive, potentially much more productive young tandem of WMP and Kearns in the lineup together at the same time with their brethren Dunn. That would allow for a lineup that's a nice mixture of R/L, which features power as well as some decent OBP/contact, which as mentioned is younger and less expensive. Anything which deprives Kearns and WMP (when healthy) of developmental time in the form of more ABs for Bergolla, or Freel playing RF etc... should be considered a capitol crime.

letsgojunior
05-20-2005, 08:56 PM
Do you guys think you could do some pbp - I can't watch the game and MLB TV isn't working on my computer. Thanks.

Virginia Beach Reds
05-20-2005, 08:57 PM
Bottom of 3rd. still zero.

Valentine, pitcher and top.

Stormy
05-20-2005, 08:57 PM
Harang's offseason conditioning programs have worked wonders for the fluidity of his motion, his mound stamina, his velocity, and the overall touch on/confidence in his pitches. I think it's been the greatest factor in his evolution as a pitcher, and as a result he's definitely become much more reliable than I ever expected him to be.

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 09:01 PM
I have the Cleveland broadcast on TV tonight...I must admit that Mike Hegan and Rick Manning are enjoyable to listen to.

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 09:01 PM
Valentin walks

Harang sac bunt pushes Valentin to 2nd

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 09:01 PM
Do you guys think you could do some pbp - I can't watch the game and MLB TV isn't working on my computer. Thanks.

I'll try..I keep getting called away.

Val on 2nd...Lopez up

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 09:02 PM
Lopez singles..Val moves to 3rd :clap:

Virginia Beach Reds
05-20-2005, 09:03 PM
basehit opp for Lopez. Valentine to third and 1 out and runners on corners.

12 year old little leaguer William Bergolla up.

letsgojunior
05-20-2005, 09:03 PM
Thanks Krono - I have it working now so I can follow along.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 09:05 PM
Imagine Adam Dunn up here...*sigh*

Stormy
05-20-2005, 09:05 PM
Glad to have Bergolla batting #2 in this situation, eh? I'd expect FeLo to take off right here, and successfully swipe 2B... as Bergolla will get himself out, and we'll try to bail him out of it with a strange play.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 09:05 PM
Lopez steals 2nd..NO DP HERE :D

Virginia Beach Reds
05-20-2005, 09:06 PM
I have the Cleveland broadcast on TV tonight...I must admit that Mike Hegan and Rick Manning are enjoyable to listen to.

I agree. Much better than Grande.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 09:07 PM
Bergolla grounds out..no runners move.

Stormy
05-20-2005, 09:07 PM
Actually FeLo stole it on a pitch where Bergolla had no chance to mess it up, because of the location of the slider. Now he'll have the chance to strand 2 with 2 RISP rather than one ;) Good work by FeLo though.

Groundout by Bergolla to Millwood, 2 outs, 2nd and 3rd for Casey. Man I long for a day where Dunn bats #3, or even #2.

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 09:08 PM
Glad to have Bergolla batting #2 in this situation, eh? I'd expect FeLo to take off right here, and successfully swipe 2B... as Bergolla will get himself out, and we'll try to bail him out of it with a strange play.

You are the man!

Everytime Stormy says something is going to happen- BAM! it happens a minute later.

I would give you reps points for that.. but I have to spread it around first. :)

Virginia Beach Reds
05-20-2005, 09:08 PM
I thought for sure that that one was by Millwood. That was a really athletic play. Tough break.

Reds Nd2
05-20-2005, 09:08 PM
Yeah, but what good is speed if you can't get on base to use it?

I was going by his minor league totals from BA's prospect book. .289/.342/.374 I wouldn't think that's too shabby for a middle infielder. Of course equating those to the majors is another thing. I was trying to make everyone happy and you had to bring logic into the equation. :)

Stormy
05-20-2005, 09:10 PM
You are the man!

Everytime Stormy says something is going to happen- BAM! it happens a minute later.

I would give you reps points for that.. but I have to spread it around first. :)

I'm not definitely worthy of that OBM, just get a feel for the rythm of the game sometimes. I think it was wise to run FeLo as Bergolla got himself into a hole, and knowing Miley's tendencies I thought it was pretty probable.

I'm glad for Griffey to get a bases juiced chance here after Casey's walk.

Virginia Beach Reds
05-20-2005, 09:10 PM
Walk to Casey and bases loaded for JR.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 09:10 PM
Casey walks...JR up :clap:

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 09:11 PM
Jr's gonna hit one to Newport..here it comes :cool:

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 09:12 PM
JR lines out (ARG!)..inning over

Virginia Beach Reds
05-20-2005, 09:12 PM
frozen rope. Tough breaks of late for this group.

Stormy
05-20-2005, 09:13 PM
Griffey robbed of a 2RBI single by a diving Belliard hedging towards first! Griff hit the fastball right on the screws, with a level swing, though.

0-0 headed to the bottom of the inning.

letsgojunior
05-20-2005, 09:14 PM
:(

And with that I lose my connection. Double :(

Reds Nd2
05-20-2005, 09:14 PM
Watching Belliard make that diving stop, reminds me of watching bumble bees fly. It's just amazing to me that any thing that big can get off the ground.

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 09:15 PM
I was going by his minor league totals from BA's prospect book. .289/.342/.374 I wouldn't think that's too shabby for a middle infielder. Of course equating those to the majors is another thing. I was trying to make everyone happy and you had to bring logic into the equation. :)

:)

Bergolla posted a .408 OBP at Billings in 2002, which makes his career OBP look a little better than it is. His walk rate has gone down each year(maybe because he was younger than his competition at each level?). His OBP was only .322 at Louisville with 4 walks in 120 atbats.

He isn't ready for the majors. JMO. I thought they should have kept him in Louisville to work on his plate discipline.

Stormy
05-20-2005, 09:15 PM
Jr's gonna hit one to Newport..here it comes :cool:

I think you meant hit one to Belliard, Newport was given his release today along with all other Ohio-based 2Bs. ;)

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 09:18 PM
I have never seen amore sloppy, slovenly-looking player than Ronnie Belliard.

letsgojunior
05-20-2005, 09:19 PM
:)

Bergolla posted a .408 OBP at Billings in 2002, which makes his career OBP look a little better than it is. His walk rate has gone down each year(maybe because he was younger than his competition at each level?). His OBP was only .322 at Louisville with 4 walks in 120 atbats.

He isn't ready for the majors. JMO. I thought they should have kept him in Louisville to work on his plate discipline.

Nice post - I've really enjoyed your insight lately. I'd give up some rep but I'm not allowed to until 9:30. And that's past my bedtime.:lol:

PuffyPig
05-20-2005, 09:21 PM
:)

Bergolla posted a .408 OBP at Billings in 2002, which makes his career OBP look a little better than it is. His walk rate has gone down each year(maybe because he was younger than his competition at each level?). His OBP was only .322 at Louisville with 4 walks in 120 atbats.



Actually, his walk rate improved in 2004. HIs high OBA in 2002 in his partial season at Billings was more a function of his high BA of .352.

Falls City Beer
05-20-2005, 09:22 PM
Aaron Boone's OPS: .491.

Brutal.

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 09:22 PM
Nice post - I've really enjoyed your insight lately. I'd give up some rep but I'm not allowed to until 9:30. And that's past my bedtime.:lol:

9:30?!? On a Friday night? What's wrong with you? ;)

Thank you. You are one of my favorite posters. :) I would give you some rep but it says I've got to spread it around. :)

letsgojunior
05-20-2005, 09:26 PM
9:30?!? On a Friday night? What's wrong with you? ;)



I have to have an early bedtime, I'm in the process of moving the contents of my life 1000 miles roundtrip. So I find myself going to bed earlier than most toddlers nowadays.;)

TeamCasey
05-20-2005, 09:27 PM
9:30?!? On a Friday night? What's wrong with you? ;)

Thank you. You are one of my favorite posters. :) I would give you some rep but it says I've got to spread it around. :)

I think I have two left. I'll give 'em to both of you lugs. :)

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 09:27 PM
Infield hit for Dunn. Hegan and Manning are amazed that Dunn has not hit a sac fly since 2003.

TeamCasey
05-20-2005, 09:29 PM
Only one left. Cup of coffee to OBM tomorrow. :)

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 09:29 PM
Dunn thrown out stealing.

Randa singles to RF.

SteelSD
05-20-2005, 09:29 PM
BTW, if no one's noticed yet...

If the Reds continue to plop a currently overmatched Bergolla into the #2 slot, pretty soon they'll have four guys at the top of the lineup producing sub-.350 OBP's.

I knew that Miley would fool himself into thinking that Lopez is a leadoff hitter.

And now Miley sends Dunn to be cut down right before Randa singles.

I've never been more disgusted with a Manager and GM in my life.

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 09:31 PM
Actually, his walk rate improved in 2004. HIs high OBA in 2002 in his partial season at Billings was more a function of his high BA of .352.

I somehow overlooked his 2004 season. Yer right. He made a big improvement in 2004. 2003-BB/19 PA, 2004-BB/12.75 PA

In his 2002 season, he posted walk rate of BB/9.75 PA.

Reds Nd2
05-20-2005, 09:33 PM
Ideally, we could eventually move Casey, save money and get the less expensive, potentially much more productive young tandem of WMP and Kearns in the lineup together at the same time with their brethren Dunn. That would allow for a lineup that's a nice mixture of R/L, which features power as well as some decent OBP/contact, which as mentioned is younger and less expensive. Anything which deprives Kearns and WMP (when healthy) of developmental time in the form of more ABs for Bergolla, or Freel playing RF etc... should be considered a capitol crime.

It sounds as if you advocate moving Dunn to 1B? I have no problem with that, except, it seems that it's going to be hard enough to keep Dunn as it is. I'd be wary of moving him to a position that he doesn't seem to like. Nothing wrong with dealing Casey though, but at this point, I have extreme reservations of the F.O. spending any savings wisely. I think the time to make this move has passed. It should have been done before Casey's option for '06 was picked up, IMO.

I totally agree with you on depriving Mo Pena and Kearns AB's. Freel/Bergolla can split time at 2B untill Pena or Aurilia comes back from the D.L. It's just my opinion, but as bad as this team is and with no realistic chance of competing, I'd let Bergolla get the starts at 2B. That way we can get a look at the kid and see how he reacts before he gets sent back down, but not at the expense of playing time for Kearns or Pena.

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 09:35 PM
I have to have an early bedtime, I'm in the process of moving the contents of my life 1000 miles roundtrip. So I find myself going to bed earlier than most toddlers nowadays.;)

Good luck with the move. :)

oh, and you too kind TC! :)

PuffyPig
05-20-2005, 09:36 PM
I somehow overlooked his 2004 season. Yer right. He made a big improvement in 2004. 2003-BB/19 PA, 2004-BB/12.75 PA

In his 2002 season, he posted walk rate of BB/9.75 PA.

You also overlooked the rest of his season in 2002 at Dayton. Combined, his walk rate was less than 2004, at 13.1. Even BA indicates that he's now "learning the value of taking a walk".

Reds Nd2
05-20-2005, 09:36 PM
Do you guys think you could do some pbp - I can't watch the game and MLB TV isn't working on my computer. Thanks.

Why not, are you blacked out? It's working fine for me tonight. Probably can't help with PBP. It's difficult to watch the game on .tv and post too. Sorry but I'll try to help keep the scores updated for you, if that helps.

Top of the 5th, 0 - 0

Raisor
05-20-2005, 09:39 PM
I just sneezed 7 times in about 30 seconds. I think I'm dead now.

Matt700wlw
05-20-2005, 09:41 PM
Harang needs run support.....yet again, he's pitching a gem

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 09:42 PM
You also overlooked the rest of his season in 2002 at Dayton. Combined, his walk rate was less than 2004, at 13.1. Even BA indicates that he's now "learning the value of taking a walk".

You mentioned that his OBP at Billings was BA inflated. I pointed out that he posted a respectable walk/PA rate.

His 4 walks in 118 PA shows me he isn't learning the value of a walk.

PuffyPig
05-20-2005, 09:43 PM
Watching Harang pitch is a good reminder to all of us that pitchers can actually improve, especially when their command gets better.

RosieRed
05-20-2005, 09:44 PM
Harang needs run support.....yet again, he's pitching a gem

You know, a horrible thought just occurred to me.

If Harang keeps pitching well, does anyone think there's a possibility he'd be traded?

I don't want to think about it, but I guess I can't put anything past this FO.

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 09:46 PM
Marty just wished Richard Hand the best as he is in a Dayton hospital. Says Richard is a huge Reds fan! :eek: :eek: :eek:

chicoruiz
05-20-2005, 09:46 PM
Did anyone else just hear Marty give a "best wishes" to Richard Hand?

Our old RZ pal is apparently entering the hospital.

CincyRedsFan30
05-20-2005, 09:46 PM
I wouldn't put it past O'Brien to trade Harang for a hitter who is good at advancing runners and hitting sac. flies. ;)

TeamCasey
05-20-2005, 09:47 PM
Marty just wished Richard Hand the best as he is in a Dayton hospital. Says Richard is a huge Reds fan! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Just heard that and put it in a thread.

Matt700wlw
05-20-2005, 09:47 PM
You know, a horrible thought just occurred to me.

If Harang keeps pitching well, does anyone think there's a possibility he'd be traded?

I don't want to think about it, but I guess I can't put anything past this FO.

That would be a stupid, stupid move...

PuffyPig
05-20-2005, 09:47 PM
You know, a horrible thought just occurred to me.

If Harang keeps pitching well, does anyone think there's a possibility he'd be traded?

I don't want to think about it, but I guess I can't put anything past this FO.

Zero chance. Even this FO hasn't traded a good cheap starter. Of course, they may not recognize one, as we really haven't had one during their regime.

SirFelixCat
05-20-2005, 09:48 PM
As a Reds fan, I hope that Harang is not moved. He is the only consistent thing we have, pitching wise. But, I was able to make him a late round flyer in my FBB draft and he is paying divedends :D


Keep up the pbp please for those helping to keep America safe on a Friday night ;)

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 09:51 PM
Harang just picked up his 7th strike out.

RosieRed
05-20-2005, 09:52 PM
Brandon Webb has a no-hitter through 6, if anyone cares. He's about to pitch the 7th.

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 09:52 PM
Then a grounder to Bergolla. 2 out.

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 09:53 PM
Junior takes a fly ball. Third out. 0-0 middle of the 6th.

SirFelixCat
05-20-2005, 09:53 PM
Thanks, BB :)

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 09:53 PM
Routine fly to Griffey for out number three.

SteelSD
05-20-2005, 09:53 PM
Brandon Webb has a no-hitter through 6, if anyone cares. He's about to pitch the 7th.

I care. He's on my fantasy team. :D

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 09:54 PM
Thanks, BB :)

Hey, you're welcome. Gotta take care of the working man. :)

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 09:55 PM
A ground out starts off the bottom of the 6th.

SteelSD
05-20-2005, 09:56 PM
And Webb just lost the no-no to Pudge. Way to go, Rosie you JINX!!! ;)

Larkin411
05-20-2005, 09:56 PM
I care. He's on my fantasy team. :D

He lost that no-hitter the moment I tuned in via MLB.TV.

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 09:56 PM
Man, the game activities get in the way of Marty and Steve's trivial talk.

I'd much rather hear about baseball. :angry:

Reds Nd2
05-20-2005, 09:57 PM
:)

Bergolla posted a .408 OBP at Billings in 2002, which makes his career OBP look a little better than it is. His walk rate has gone down each year(maybe because he was younger than his competition at each level?). His OBP was only .322 at Louisville with 4 walks in 120 atbats.

He isn't ready for the majors. JMO. I thought they should have kept him in Louisville to work on his plate discipline.

To borrow a term from BF, you have to look at the micro. I was really only refering to tonights lineup. ;) I agree with you that he needs to be at Louisville this season and maybe even Chattanooga for starters, but he isn't. If he's going to be in the Reds lineup, I'd prefer him in the top of the order. He'll get some protection and his speed/baserunning savvy will be a benefit to the Reds, if he can get on base. I think the protection will help him with his plate discipline. With the way the Reds season is going so far, I see no reason not to take a good look at the teams highest rated SS/2B prospect.

You bring up alot of very good and valid points OBM. I just think, as long as the kid is here, the Reds should take a good look at him.

RosieRed
05-20-2005, 09:57 PM
And Webb just lost the no-no to Pudge. Way to go, Rosie you JINX!!! ;)

It wasn't me, it was my co-worker! He pointed it out to me. :p:

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 09:58 PM
Long fly out by Junior! We thought we had one! :bang:


2 out.

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 09:59 PM
Are George and Chris doing the game on TV in SW Ohio? Here in Cambridge, I have the Indians broadcast crew tonight--Mike Hegan and Rick Manning.


HR for Adam Dunn!

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 09:59 PM
Dunn really DOES hit one! 1-0 Good Guys. :beerme:

CrackerJack
05-20-2005, 10:00 PM
:drink:

Joseph
05-20-2005, 10:00 PM
Woooo, Dunn!

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:01 PM
Are George and Chris doing the game on TV in SW Ohio? Here in Cambridge, I have the Indians broadcast crew tonight--Mike Hegan and Rick Manning.


HR for Adam Dunn!

No...no TV in Cincy Land.

SteelSD
05-20-2005, 10:01 PM
It wasn't me, it was my co-worker! He pointed it out to me. :p:

If it weren't for Dunn's Home Run there making me all happy, I might have to question your current status as a baseball man...

;)

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 10:01 PM
Dunn's 4th career HR in 14 atbats vs Millwood.

SirFelixCat
05-20-2005, 10:01 PM
Hey, I'm good luck? Lunch is over,...back to work. Will check back in in 2 hours. Thanks in advance.


-Eddie

FlyingPig
05-20-2005, 10:03 PM
Freel would have probably been on base when Dunn went yard just now..

:bang:

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:04 PM
Randa doubles.

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:05 PM
Kearns grounds out. During the at-bat, Marty mentioned that Kearns has only shown flashes of what we thought we would be getting from him by this time.


1-0 Reds, end of 6.

WVRedsFan
05-20-2005, 10:05 PM
Watching the game on FSO and the Indians crew has been a jpleasant surprise. No attitude and a great respite from Goody Goody George and Creeper Chris. They actually believe that non-stop talking isn't necessary. Maybe they should talk to Chris and impress him that every moment doesn't need to be filled with his voice when George isn't talking?

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:06 PM
Man, the game activities get in the way of Marty and Steve's trivial talk.

I'd much rather hear about baseball. :angry:

Same here :(

TeamCasey
05-20-2005, 10:06 PM
Dunn makes up for my pitiful seat in Texas Hold Em tonight.

RosieRed
05-20-2005, 10:09 PM
If it weren't for Dunn's Home Run there making me all happy, I might have to question your current status as a baseball man...

;)

I think I might have to revoke my baseball man status myself. Don't think I'm "smart" enough to understand this FO, so I must not really be a baseball man!

SteelSD
05-20-2005, 10:09 PM
Lopez wasn't going to throw him out there, but it was very refreshing to see a SS on our roster actually get to that ball.

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 10:09 PM
Watching the game on FSO and the Indians crew has been a jpleasant surprise. No attitude and a great respite from Goody Goody George and Creeper Chris. They actually believe that non-stop talking isn't necessary. Maybe they should talk to Chris and impress him that every moment doesn't need to be filled with his voice when George isn't talking?

I agree completely. Hegan and Manning have been very professional, and a welcome change from the usual.

FlyingPig
05-20-2005, 10:10 PM
good night for Randa so far..3 for 3 and pushing .300 for the season...

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:11 PM
good night for Randa so far..3 for 3 and pushing .300 for the season...

Trade him now!! :beerme:

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 10:12 PM
Rick Manning is really giving it to Belliard for missing the hit-and-run sign.

SteelSD
05-20-2005, 10:12 PM
I think I might have to revoke my baseball man status myself. Don't think I'm "smart" enough to understand this FO, so I must not really be a baseball man!

Bah...I'd revoke your status myself if you DID understand it.

;)

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:12 PM
Baserunner Gerut is thrown out.

But the next batter walks.

One out in the inning and Boone up.

RedlegJake
05-20-2005, 10:14 PM
Don't trade Randa yet. Another month and a contender will overpay for him. Oops, forgot who's running the show. Another month and they'll release him to make room for EE.

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:14 PM
Boone strikes out swinging. He still does that! ;)

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:14 PM
Don't trade Randa yet. Another month and a contender will overpay for him. Oops, forgot who's running the show. Another month and they'll release him to make room for EE.

Another month and they will give him a 3 year deal and trade EE :help:

RedlegJake
05-20-2005, 10:15 PM
AB is as bad as any player still in the show when he is cold. Reminds me of LaRue. Either hot or cold - no in between.

RFS62
05-20-2005, 10:15 PM
What a treat it is reading Bob Borkowski's commentary.


:beerme:

RedlegJake
05-20-2005, 10:16 PM
Krono - that's so prescient its scary.

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 10:16 PM
Nine K's for Harang!

FlyingPig
05-20-2005, 10:16 PM
Please, please, Danny Graves...don't blow this gem for Harang...

:pray:

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:16 PM
Number 9 in K's for Harang! Bottom of 7th and still 1-0.

Matt700wlw
05-20-2005, 10:17 PM
:harang: :clap: :clap: :clap:

FlyingPig
05-20-2005, 10:17 PM
104 pitches for Harang...leave him in!

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:18 PM
What a treat it is reading Bob Borkowski's commentary.


:beerme:


I ain't said nuthin' deep!!? :confused:

RedlegJake
05-20-2005, 10:18 PM
Well, Redsfans everywhere - the Reds have stumbled onto 20% of their rotation.

Matt700wlw
05-20-2005, 10:19 PM
I know it's early...but the Reds..yes THE REDS may have an ace!!!

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:21 PM
Valentin leads off the bottom of the 7th by swinging and missing at strike three.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:21 PM
I ain't said nuthin' deep!!? :confused:

At least you're not talking about goats :D

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:22 PM
Harang grounds out to short. 2 down.

Wow, this is a game like they used to play in the late 60's. Pitcher against pitcher.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:22 PM
Lopez! :clap:

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:23 PM
Lopez cranks out number 5!!! :beerme:

2-0 Reds.

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 10:23 PM
Big fly by Felipe!

Stormy
05-20-2005, 10:23 PM
Way to go FeLo!! 2-0 Reds, after turning on an up-and in fastball, showing some more of that LH pop in his bat.

Reds Nd2
05-20-2005, 10:23 PM
Lopez! Yes!!! :KoolAid:

CincyRedsFan30
05-20-2005, 10:24 PM
That is Riske's first HR given up this year... and it raised his ERA from 0.50 to 1.00. That Lopez can hit. :)

RedlegJake
05-20-2005, 10:24 PM
THIS is the guy we sent Elmer packing for...it just took him a couple years to get here

FlyingPig
05-20-2005, 10:24 PM
Rich who?

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 10:24 PM
That's the first homerun allowed by Riske this year(18 ip).

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:24 PM
Thru 7, 2-0. Can they do it? I'd say 'Can we do it', but there is someone on the board that gets bent out of shape when a fan says 'we'. :rolleyes:

Reds Nd2
05-20-2005, 10:25 PM
THIS is the guy we sent Elmer packing for...it just took him a couple years to get here

I'm getting less upset with that trade by the day. :)

RedlegJake
05-20-2005, 10:25 PM
I hope F'Lo makes that trade look like an absolute steal before he's done.

RedlegJake
05-20-2005, 10:26 PM
Bob...you don't know how many times I edit that out my posts so no one gets bent out of shape.

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:26 PM
Leadoff double by Cora. Not good.

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 10:26 PM
To steal a quote from Bruce Bochy....''He's(Lopez) not a Judy up there. When he gets his pitch, he's going to do some damage.''

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 10:27 PM
Horrible defense by Kearns...just horrible

Stormy
05-20-2005, 10:27 PM
Wow, Kearns misjudged the ball then took a circuitous route in an attempt to make amends. He's scuffling like nobody's business in all facets of the game.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:27 PM
I always say we..never knew anyone got upset about that : :dunno:

CrackerJack
05-20-2005, 10:28 PM
Kearns just looks like he isn't in very good physical shape period.

RosieRed
05-20-2005, 10:29 PM
I'm very late on this, but YAY Dunn and Lopez! :beerme:

And great job by Harang so far. Hopefully he makes it out of the 8th unscathed.

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:29 PM
Kearns just looks like he isn't in very good physical shape period.

I agree. Work ethic? Attitude?

RedlegJake
05-20-2005, 10:29 PM
Ears looks like a kid that has lost all confidence in himself - like he's thinking about what to do instead of just doing it.

Redmachine2003
05-20-2005, 10:29 PM
Harang over 100 pitches and Miley sends he back out there. Not sure that I like that again after he threw alot pitches his last outing.

Stormy
05-20-2005, 10:29 PM
That is Riske's first HR given up this year... and it raised his ERA from 0.50 to 1.00. That Lopez can hit. :)

He can hit from both sides of the plate (which so many blatantly misdiagnosed last year), and he can rake it against the very best of opponents. He's going to be a gem at the plate, in the field, and on the basepaths in the very near future.

Reds Nd2
05-20-2005, 10:29 PM
After watching FeLo wave off Randa, I'm wondering if anyone else thinks he's getting more confident in his play at SS?

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:30 PM
We just need a triple play here.

RedlegJake
05-20-2005, 10:30 PM
He can hit from both sides of the plate (which so many blatantly misdiagnosed last year), and he can rake it against the very best opponents. He's going to be a gem at the plate, in the field, and on the basepaths in the very near future.

Finally...the Heir Apparent

RosieRed
05-20-2005, 10:30 PM
Wow. Sounds like lots of boos for taking Harang out.

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2005, 10:31 PM
We just need a triple play here.

There's already 1 out. ;)

RedlegJake
05-20-2005, 10:31 PM
Rosie...do you blame em? Who wants to see this bullpen...

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:31 PM
There's already 1 out. ;)

It still wouldn't hurt to get an extra out for Graves ;)

Matt700wlw
05-20-2005, 10:31 PM
Wow. Sounds like lots of boos for taking Harang out.

Another solid outing for the guy! Great job!!

Reds Nd2
05-20-2005, 10:32 PM
Mercker coming in to face Broussard.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:33 PM
Bender up

PuffyPig
05-20-2005, 10:33 PM
Harang over 100 pitches and Miley sends he back out there. Not sure that I like that again after he threw alot pitches his last outing.

At this stage of the season, a starter should be able to throw 115 pitches every game easily.

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:33 PM
1st and 3rd and one out.

Stormy
05-20-2005, 10:34 PM
After watching FeLo wave off Randa, I'm wondering if anyone else thinks he's getting more confident in his play at SS?

Without question (but this was already becoming the case this Spring), and I'd wager that Felipe will be the rangiest, best fielding SS we've witnessed since about '96 era Barry Larkin, very soon. People underestimate the extensive skill sets he possesses, and what he's actually capable of as he matures, becomes confident/consistent, and is allowed to develop in a defined role. Hit him #2, pencil him at SS everyday, and reap the rewards for the next 5+ years.

RedlegJake
05-20-2005, 10:34 PM
C'mon Merck

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:34 PM
Bender with a sac fly..he must be better then Dunn!


;)

37red
05-20-2005, 10:34 PM
I hope Graves is out of town, tell me he's out of town. This is where they put him in to make the game exciting and Harang a murderer.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:35 PM
Ryan Wagner on his way in.

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:35 PM
Sac fly = a run. Runner stays at first. Miley takes out Mercker now.

TeamCasey
05-20-2005, 10:36 PM
What a treat it is reading Bob Borkowski's commentary.


:beerme:

You bet! :thumbup:

Matt700wlw
05-20-2005, 10:37 PM
Wags turn...and of course, you know who probably in the 9th :help:

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 10:37 PM
At this stage of the season, a starter should be able to throw 115 pitches every game easily.

I agree 100%.

37red
05-20-2005, 10:38 PM
BB, best commentater on threads

RedlegJake
05-20-2005, 10:38 PM
Ahhh please....trade Graves. C'mon Ryan we need this out.

Matt700wlw
05-20-2005, 10:39 PM
At this stage of the season, a starter should be able to throw 115 pitches every game easily.

I bet Milton and Wilson could, but they may give up 30 runs in the process...

letsgojunior
05-20-2005, 10:39 PM
After watching FeLo wave off Randa, I'm wondering if anyone else thinks he's getting more confident in his play at SS?

I watched Felipe closely in the game I attended the other day (and I had a nice view as I was sitting right on the first base bag in loge). He was so smooth and fluid in his play, and showed really good range. His throwing has always been knocked in the past, but all of his throws were right on line. I was very, very impressed (about the only thing to be impressed with the other day).

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:40 PM
Lets go Wagner lets go :clap: :clap:

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 10:40 PM
I bet Milton and Wilson could, but they may give up 30 runs in the process...

And they might only get midway through the fifth inning! :p:

PuffyPig
05-20-2005, 10:41 PM
Bender with a sac fly..he must be better then Dunn!


;)

Bender doesn't hit against LH pitchers. Hernandez the PH hit the SF.

I got the funny fealing that Wagner is in for the save. If Miley really believed that Graves was "the man", you would bring him in now, and not waste Wagner for 1 batter. But more wishful thinkin'.

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:42 PM
Throw a freaking strike...please :pray:

Matt700wlw
05-20-2005, 10:42 PM
Bender doesn't hit against LH pitchers. Hernandez the PH hit the SF.

I got the funny fealing that Wagner is in for the save. If Miley really believed that Graves was "the man", you would bring him in now, and not waste Wagner for 1 batter. But more wishful thinkin'.

Not at this rate...

37red
05-20-2005, 10:42 PM
get it up, get it up........... this isn't kick ball

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:43 PM
Bender doesn't hit against LH pitchers. Hernandez the PH hit the SF.


Either Marty didn't mention it (quite possible) or I'm just missing it all tonight :help:

RosieRed
05-20-2005, 10:43 PM
Graves warming. :help:

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:43 PM
Graves warming up.

smith288
05-20-2005, 10:43 PM
Its probably Marty...he is about as focused as a set of coke bottles.

Matt700wlw
05-20-2005, 10:44 PM
This is unreal....Wags looking very Graves like

37red
05-20-2005, 10:44 PM
They should't put Graves in until they lose the lead. Is anyone else warming up?

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:44 PM
Wagner out..Graves in

Bob Borkowski
05-20-2005, 10:45 PM
Booing makes Graves feel small.

smith288
05-20-2005, 10:45 PM
Flippin' Danny Graves... pack it in folks...chalk this one up to the L column.

(my avatar will need to be updated...)

RFS62
05-20-2005, 10:45 PM
Booing Gravy

High drama here.

Reds Nd2
05-20-2005, 10:45 PM
Without question (but this was already becoming the case this Spring), and I'd wager that Felipe will be the rangiest, best fielding SS we've witnessed since about '96 era Barry Larkin, very soon. People underestimate the extensive skill sets he possesses, and what he's actually capable of as he matures, becomes confident/consistent, and is allowed to develop in a defined role. Hit him #2, pencil him at SS everyday, and reap the rewards for the next 5+ years.

It's just that I remember a time when I would cringe everytime a ball was hit to him. Untill a couple of years ago when I got mlb.tv, I didn't even get to watch alot of baseball. The more I see of Lopez, the better I like him at SS, especially when compared to Aurilia. Most do, but sometimes I just have to ask if my perceptions from watching the games, jive with others who have seen alot more baseball than me. Thanks for the reply confirming what I thought I was seeing.

Joseph
05-20-2005, 10:45 PM
Haven't we seen Wagner load the bases and Graves come in to get out of the inning before?

Matt700wlw
05-20-2005, 10:45 PM
Why can't this :censored: ball club simply hold a lead? :angry: :rant:


(technically I guess so far they have -- but I'm venting so I don't care)

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:46 PM
Come on Danny..get 1 out..not even 3! just 1 out!

TeamCasey
05-20-2005, 10:47 PM
I claim apathy too ..... but we're still here, aren't we. ;) What's up with that!? :laugh:

letsgojunior
05-20-2005, 10:47 PM
Booing Gravy

High drama here.

I know it's mean, but I really, really hate Graves.

Big Klu
05-20-2005, 10:47 PM
I've got a bad feeling about this....

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/obiwankenobi/img/movie4_sm.jpg

smith288
05-20-2005, 10:47 PM
First pitch strike...impressive...most impressive.

Reds Nd2
05-20-2005, 10:48 PM
Come on Danny, just get the guy at the plate.

smith288
05-20-2005, 10:49 PM
I have a funny feeling that Harang's patients is running veeery short with his fellow teammates. (hitters and pitchers)

KronoRed
05-20-2005, 10:49 PM
Well done Graves...trade him now!!!

;)

RosieRed
05-20-2005, 10:49 PM
:eek: :eek:

Graves with a strikeout?!

:eek: :eek:

smith288
05-20-2005, 10:49 PM
Game aint over yet. Graves still has a chance to screw it up for Harang.

RFS62
05-20-2005, 10:49 PM
His trade value will never be higher

FlyingPig
05-20-2005, 10:49 PM
whew

Reds Fanatic
05-20-2005, 10:50 PM
Wow Graves with a big strikeout.

letsgojunior
05-20-2005, 10:50 PM
Thanks for all the game updates guys. Much appreciated. :thumbup:

Matt700wlw
05-20-2005, 10:51 PM
Get a few more runs...Graves still needs to get 3 more outs

letsgojunior
05-20-2005, 10:52 PM
We need to score about 20 more runs to make me feel decently comfortable.

Reds Nd2
05-20-2005, 10:52 PM
wow!!!

smith288
05-20-2005, 10:52 PM
That should have been a K

smith288
05-20-2005, 10:53 PM
Juuuust a bit inside....