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Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:00 PM
Here are the lineups:


CLEVELAND CINCINNATI
AVG HR RBI AVG HR RBI
Grady Sizemore CF .273 3 16 Felipe Lopez SS .296 5 18
Casey Blake RF .195 6 12 William Bergolla 2B .154 0 0
Ben Broussard 1B .265 3 17 Sean Casey 1B .302 2 21
Ryan Ludwick LF .216 3 4 Ken Griffey Jr CF .260 6 26
Josh Bard C .167 1 4 Adam Dunn LF .254 12 24
Aaron Boone 3B .162 4 13 Joe Randa 3B .286 4 22
Alex Cora SS .228 1 4 Austin Kearns RF .248 5 18
Ronnie Belliard 2B .260 6 17 Jason Larue C .194 1 11
Cliff Lee LHP .000 0 0 Ramon Ortiz RHP .000 0 0
(4-2, 3.94) (1-2, 5.55)

GAC
05-22-2005, 02:07 PM
I still don't see how you can have a guy who is OPSing over 1.00 with an OB% of .415 batting 5th in this lineup. And he is 2nd on this team in steals too.

But then, I'm still waiting for that rabbit to come out of the worm hole. ;)

RBA
05-22-2005, 02:10 PM
Same ole Aaron Boone, Mr All or Nothing. Looks like more Mr Nothing this year.

RedRoser
05-22-2005, 02:10 PM
And I don't see why Miley is still in the Reds dugout.
And that makes the answer to both our questions somewhat the same.
"He shouldn't be!" :bang:

RedRoser
05-22-2005, 02:16 PM
Games getting ready to start and poor GAC is all alone in chat because I just left to turn on the TV in another room.
Now, SOMEBODY get in there and keep the boy company! :D

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:17 PM
Sizemore flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:19 PM
Blake singles to left.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:20 PM
Broussard flies out to left. 2 out.

Chip R
05-22-2005, 02:21 PM
Where's George? Off licking Jim Edmonds' boots? Being inducted into the Cardinals hall of fame? Getting a refill on his happy pills?

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:22 PM
Ortiz picks Blake off first.

PuffyPig
05-22-2005, 02:25 PM
I actually still hold out hope that Ortiz can pitch OK this year. His stats are skewed (I hope) from that very bad start after he got off the DL. He's got a 3.63 ERA in the rest of his starts. This is an important start for him.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:26 PM
Lopez lines out to center. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:27 PM
Bergolla strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:28 PM
Casey flies out to center. 0-0 after 1.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:32 PM
Ludwick flies out to 2nd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:33 PM
Bard singles to center.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:34 PM
Boone fouls out to 3rd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:36 PM
Cora grounds out to 2nd. 0-0 mid 2nd.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 02:37 PM
Wow. Has there ever been a more overhyped rebuilding than this Cleveland one? I guess you could argue the Reds. :devil:

Chip R
05-22-2005, 02:38 PM
I was serious. Where is George? It's not HOF weekend.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:38 PM
Junior flies out to left. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:39 PM
I was serious. Where is George? It's not HOF weekend. I believe he is getting some kind of broadcaster's award today.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:41 PM
Dunn walks

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 02:42 PM
I believe he is getting some kind of broadcaster's award today.

Or building a Kissing Booth for the next trip into St. Louis.

M2
05-22-2005, 02:42 PM
When Dunn learns to mash that inside pitch Lee threw him on 3-1, and he will learn how to do it, he's going to become a force of nature.

Puffy
05-22-2005, 02:42 PM
No one on base, 1 out - "soft" walk for Dunn again

Just sayin'

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 02:42 PM
Come on Randa, don't be a Judy.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:42 PM
Randa flies out to second. Great catch by Belliard. 2 outs.

Raisor
05-22-2005, 02:43 PM
good grief, that was an awesome play by Belliard

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:44 PM
Kearns lines a single to left. 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:46 PM
Larue strikes out swinging. 0-0 after 2.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:49 PM
Belliard singles to right.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:51 PM
Lee strikes out. 1 out.

PuffyPig
05-22-2005, 02:53 PM
Lee obviously was watching the Red's pitchers take bunting practice.

He would have been better served staying in his hotel room watching Porky Pig reruns.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:54 PM
Sizemore triples. 1-0 Indians.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:55 PM
Blake singles to left. 2-0 Indians.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 02:57 PM
Wow, this team is scintillatingly bad.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:57 PM
Broussard singles to center. 1st and 2nd with one out.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:58 PM
Ludwick flies out to left. 2 outs.

M2
05-22-2005, 02:58 PM
Grady Sizemore is my kind of ballplayer. Stings the ball, runs well, has patience at the plate (though it hasn't shown up yet this season).

WVRedsFan
05-22-2005, 02:58 PM
I guess it's come to this, but I'm really enjoying Dan Hoard doing the pbp on TV. Why oh why can't he do it every game? Here's an idea...move George down to radio as the third man on the WLW team. Marty would have him out of town in 6 innings.

Just kidding...

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 02:58 PM
Ortiz's last outing: 7 innings, 6 hits, 2 runs

so far today: 2 2/3 innings, 6 hits, 2 runs


hopefully he settles down...

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 02:59 PM
Bard strikes out looking. 2-0 Indians mid 3rd.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 03:00 PM
I guess it's come to this, but I'm really enjoying Dan Hoard doing the pbp on TV. Why oh why can't he do it every game? Here's an idea...move George down to radio as the third man on the WLW team.


please no.

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 03:02 PM
please no.
You and George could share rides to work. :evil:

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:03 PM
Ortiz strikes out swinging. 1 out.

WVRedsFan
05-22-2005, 03:04 PM
You and George could share rides to work. :evil:

Yeah, and he could keep you entertained with his stories about those fantastic St. Louis Cardinals.

You know his story...

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:04 PM
Lopez strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

CrackerJack
05-22-2005, 03:04 PM
No George Grande today and instead Dan Hoard - what a welcome change, he is much more enjoyable to listen to.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:06 PM
Bergolla flies out to right. 2-0 Indians after 3.

GAC
05-22-2005, 03:07 PM
Well... at least these guys have learned to strike out swinging. :lol:

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:09 PM
Boone flies out to center. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:09 PM
Cora flies out to center. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:11 PM
Belliard gets an infield single.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:12 PM
Lee grounds out to 1st. 2-0 Indians mid 4th.

pahster
05-22-2005, 03:14 PM
Nice play by Bergolla on Beliard's infield single.

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 03:15 PM
Belliard gets an infield single.

That was a nice play by Bergolla to even make it close at first. I doubt anyone could have gotten Belliard. He was flying down the line.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:16 PM
Casey grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:20 PM
Junior walks. Good 10 pitch AB.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 03:20 PM
Junior walks. Good 10 pitch AB.

Try excellent.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:20 PM
Dunn flies out to left. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:22 PM
Randa flies out to 2nd. 2-0 Indians after 4.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:25 PM
Sizemore flies out to left. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:27 PM
Blake flies out to the warning track in center. Good running catch for Junior. 2 outs.

Chip R
05-22-2005, 03:27 PM
I believe he is getting some kind of broadcaster's award today.
:lol: No, really, where is he? ;) Thanks.

I can't imagine anyone giving George a broadcasters award.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:28 PM
Broussard flies out to left. 2-0 Indians mid 5th.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:32 PM
Kearns strikes out looking. 1 out.

WVRedsFan
05-22-2005, 03:33 PM
It's at almost epidemic proportions now. Reds hitters look at more strikes than I can ever remember any team has. Is it the players or is it the instruction they're getting?

Just horrible.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:33 PM
Larue grounds out to 3rd. 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 03:34 PM
Dlo did it. Whatever hasn't gone right, it's Dlo's fault.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:35 PM
Ortiz who is 0 for 30 lifetime walks.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 03:36 PM
It's at almost epidemic proportions now. Reds hitters look at more strikes than I can ever remember any team has. Is it the players or is it the instruction they're getting?

Just horrible.

At this rate of the ballgame, the offense is wasting another pretty good pitching outing by Ortiz..

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 03:36 PM
Lee didn't want any part of Ortiz. :laugh:

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:37 PM
Lopez singles to left. 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 03:39 PM
DanO thought DLo was a cooler nickname; had to put a stop to it.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:40 PM
Bergolla strikes out swinging. 2-0 Indians after 5.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 03:40 PM
Bergolla :owned: :deadhorse

Johnny Footstool
05-22-2005, 03:41 PM
Is Bergolla striking out swinging on 3 pitches somehow better than Jimenez striking out looking on 7 pitches?

Didn't think so.

WVRedsFan
05-22-2005, 03:42 PM
Two interesting things.

A pitching coach actually instructing a pitcher during a game who is having a hard time and little William Bergolla coming up again with 2 outs and a runner in scoring position. One worked and the other didn't.

On to the next inning, 2-0.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:43 PM
Ludwick homers off the left field foul pole. 3-0 Indians.

WVRedsFan
05-22-2005, 03:44 PM
Ludwick homers off the left field foul pole. 3-0 Indians.

It's (I hope) too early to say this, but I think this game is over.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 03:44 PM
Have you noticed how much verve and elan and joie de vivre this team is playing with since their clubhouse cancer was removed?

Everything's just sun and roses.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:45 PM
Bard grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:46 PM
Boone grounds out to short. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:47 PM
Cora singles to right.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 03:49 PM
Ortiz just got his bell rung

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:49 PM
Belliard singles. The ball hit off Ortiz's face.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:50 PM
Ortiz looks like he was in a boxing match. Big shiner under his left eye and Ortiz has to come out of the game.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 03:51 PM
It's (I hope) too early to say this, but I think this game is over.

This offense needs to provide support for outings like this....Ortiz did not pitch that bad

3 runs should be enough for an offense to overcome -- and hopefully they will

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 03:51 PM
Ortiz coming out after getting drilled in the eye on a sharp comebacker to the mound.

Weathers coming in.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 03:52 PM
Hopefully Ortiz is not seriously injured...but if it's not one thing, it's something else....

the Reds have awful luck

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 03:56 PM
"Cincinnati Reds pitcher Ramon Ortiz left the game due to an injured head."

This is how eloquently MLB.com put it.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 03:56 PM
Lee grounds out to 3rd. 3-0 Indians mid 6th.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 03:58 PM
This team has turned this board into a ghost town.

I thought it would have a drain effect on this board.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 04:00 PM
Here's a reality check: the Reds don't have a farm team with a winning record

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:00 PM
Casey doubles to right.

paintmered
05-22-2005, 04:02 PM
At the beginning of the season, there would easily be over 150 members and guests in the game thread.

Now there is 24.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:04 PM
Junior strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 04:04 PM
At the beginning of the season, there would easily be over 150 members and guests in the game thread.

Now there is 24.

So as long as they don't boo Danny Graves, are they they "real" fans? :D

westofyou
05-22-2005, 04:05 PM
At the beginning of the season, there would easily be over 150 members and guests in the game thread.

Now there is 24.

Is it warm out... generally sunday afternoon is slow, even when the smoke and mirrors are out in full force.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:06 PM
Dunn flies out. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 04:07 PM
Is it warm out... generally sunday afternoon is slow, even when the smoke and mirrors are out in full force.

About 70...cloudy

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:07 PM
Randa singles in a run. 3-1.

westofyou
05-22-2005, 04:08 PM
About 70...cloudy

Mmmmmm 70........

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 04:09 PM
At the beginning of the season, there would easily be over 150 members and guests in the game thread.

Now there is 24.

Well, it's a day game following a night game. Some of us need our rest. :)

Unassisted
05-22-2005, 04:09 PM
At the beginning of the season, there would easily be over 150 members and guests in the game thread.

Now there is 24.Nicer weather than April opens up many more-appealing options. I'll probably switch over to the Spurs-Suns game when it starts.

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 04:10 PM
Mmmmmm 70........

Mid 70's and sunny here.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:10 PM
Rafael Betancourt in to pitch for Cleveland.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:11 PM
Kearns reaches on an infield single. 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

SandyD
05-22-2005, 04:13 PM
here it's 91 ... but it's only 39% humidity, so it's not too bad. that humidity is really very low for us this time of year.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:14 PM
Larue strikes out swinging. 3-1 Indians after 6.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:16 PM
Sizemore strikes out looking. 1 out.

SandyD
05-22-2005, 04:18 PM
Sizemore strikes out looking. 1 out.

Kind of nice when the other guy strikes out looking, isn't it? :)

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:19 PM
Blake grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 04:20 PM
David Weathers kicks toosh!

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:20 PM
Broussard flies out to the warning track in right. 3-1 Indians mid 7th.

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 04:20 PM
Sanatana has a no-hitter through five innngs against Milwaukee.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:22 PM
Luis Lopez hitting for Weathers.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 04:23 PM
Sanatana has a no-hitter through five innngs against Milwaukee.

Yeah, well, our pitcher got hit by a base hit. :p:

Eric_Davis
05-22-2005, 04:23 PM
I've been gone for a bit. Is Freel injured? For how long?

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:26 PM
I've been gone for a bit. Is Freel injured? For how long? His has a stiff back. Not sure how long this may keep him out.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:26 PM
L. Lopez grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:27 PM
Sanatana has a no-hitter through five innngs against Milwaukee. Brady Clark homered to break up the no-hitter.

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 04:28 PM
Yeah, well, our pitcher got hit by a base hit. :p:

Maybe after the game, Beliard will offer to autograph the bruise for Ortiz. :D

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:29 PM
Lopez strikes out looking. 2 outs.

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 04:30 PM
Brady Clark homered to break up the no-hitter.

Two singles have runners on the corners with two outs.

I guess I jinxed him.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:30 PM
Bergolla grounds out to short. 3-1 Indians after 7.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 04:30 PM
Bergolla is tearing it up.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:32 PM
Wagner in to pitch and L. Lopez stays in to play 2nd.

Eric_Davis
05-22-2005, 04:32 PM
How come a guy who's batting .118 is batting 2nd when the offense has been struggling (except for the guy hitting directly behind him, where you'd think you'd want to put someone in front of him who's getting on base).

Apparently, Miley hasn't been fired, yet. What could they possibly be waiting for? How much worse could it get?

M2
05-22-2005, 04:33 PM
Bergolla is tearing it up.

He's in over his head. AAA's plenty of challenge for him at the moment.

MWM
05-22-2005, 04:35 PM
What could they possibly be waiting for? How much worse could it get?

Come on, man. They got rid of the clubhouse cancer. What more do you want? Haven't you heard it's all about team chemistry.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:35 PM
Gerut grounds out to 1st. Good play by Casey. 1 out.

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 04:35 PM
Hey, a ball boy just gave the ball to a fan. :eek:

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 04:36 PM
Hey, a ball boy just gave the ball to a fan. :eek:

Probably his last day on the job :evil:

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:38 PM
Bard lines out to center. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:39 PM
Boone grounds out to 1st. 3-1 Indians mid 8th.

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 04:41 PM
He's in over his head. AAA's plenty of challenge for him at the moment.

I agree but as long as he's up here he might as well play. It doesn't do much good having him on the bench. Plus, he's made some nice plays on defense. Let the kid enjoy his cup of coffee and let the team get a good look at him. It's not like the Reds are going to be challenging for the playoffs. Think of it as an early September call-up.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 04:42 PM
I agree but as long as he's up here he might as well play. It doesn't do much good having him on the bench. Plus, he's made some nice plays on defense. Let the kid enjoy his cup of coffee and let the team get a good look at him. It's not like the Reds are going to be challenging for the playoffs. Think of it as an early September call-up.

It's been early call ups for 5 years....(not usually this early)

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:43 PM
Scott Sauerbeck in to pitch.

Casey strikes out looking. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:43 PM
Junior grounds out to short. 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 04:44 PM
Scott Sauerbeck in to pitch.

Casey strikes out looking. 1 out.

Nah, Jimenez put on a fake stache and foam latex stomach, slipped the real ump a mickey, and called Sean out on strikes.

It's freakin' Bullwinkle out on the field.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:45 PM
Dunn homers. 3-2.

M2
05-22-2005, 04:46 PM
Does that one count?

Or was it a soft homer?

SteelSD
05-22-2005, 04:46 PM
I agree but as long as he's up here he might as well play. It doesn't do much good having him on the bench. Plus, he's made some nice plays on defense. Let the kid enjoy his cup of coffee and let the team get a good look at him. It's not like the Reds are going to be challenging for the playoffs. Think of it as an early September call-up.

Starting Bergolla while hitting him in the 2-slot in the lineup is just a symptom of what's wrong with this team's management. It's pretty tough to maintain any credibility by positioning the release of a productive player as being performance-driven but to then replace him with a player who won't produce anything but Outs.

It pretty much shows that neither Miley or O'Brien know what's really wrong and have no idea whatsoever as to how to fix it.

Eric_Davis
05-22-2005, 04:47 PM
I still think we should have tried to make a trade with the Braves for Wilson Betemit (his OPS is 1.028 right now). For the next two years he could post an OPS of .830-.860 while playing 3rd, 2nd, or SS. He put many years in the minors, and though new to the Majors is mature in age and ready to hit major league pitching right now. He's not their SS of the present or the future, so he's available. Actually, most every Brave has always been available, as they've had more roster changes over the last seven years than any team in all of baseball.

Man, I wish I was running the REDS. I'd do such a better job.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:47 PM
Bob Howry in to pitch.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 04:48 PM
The ump is choking :eek:


This ump is having a bad day

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:49 PM
Home plate ump ran off the field looked like he was getting sick.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 04:49 PM
Home plate ump ran off the field looked like he was getting sick.

Ahh. Dude, I was kidding!

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 04:49 PM
Home plate ump ran off the field looked like he was getting sick.

The Reds have gone and done it now....

Eric_Davis
05-22-2005, 04:50 PM
Win or lose...hope you're enjoying the baseball when you're at the game.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:51 PM
Randa grounds out to 3rd. 3-2 Indians after 8.

MWM
05-22-2005, 04:53 PM
Hey ED, how's Jason Lane doing this year? :evil:

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:53 PM
Graves in to pitch.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 04:53 PM
Graves in to pitch.

Is that what he calls it?

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:54 PM
Cora singles to lead off the inning.

MWM
05-22-2005, 04:55 PM
If I get around to i, I'll do the research, but I'd bet Danny Graves has the leadoff guy reach base in over half his appearances.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:55 PM
Belliard sacrifices the runner to 2nd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:56 PM
I don't understand why Wagner was not left out there for the 9th. They leave Lopez in so Wagner can pitch more than one inning. Then Wagner has a 1-2-3 8th and they take him out anyway.

SteelSD
05-22-2005, 04:57 PM
Fans booing Graves relentlessly even when issuing an IBB.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:57 PM
Hafner pinch hits and is intentionally walked.

SteelSD
05-22-2005, 04:58 PM
The booing is now past relentless as the Run scores.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:58 PM
Sizemore singles in a run. Way to go Graves.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 04:58 PM
Now they're booing as he let's the Indians open the lead up more

SteelSD
05-22-2005, 04:59 PM
And here come two more.

Graves, you can go away now.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 04:59 PM
Graves feels small

MWM
05-22-2005, 04:59 PM
I guess there's no REAL fans at the game.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 04:59 PM
Blake doubles in 2 runs. Please release Graves. 6-2.

MWM
05-22-2005, 05:00 PM
They should just eat Graves' contract and let him go. Talk about maximum effort. Going by the way he's been talking about the fans recently and how bad he's been pitching, I wonder if he's really giving his BEST effort.

Edskin
05-22-2005, 05:00 PM
Dave Miley is a complete laughingstock. Embarrasing manager.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 05:01 PM
Graves ERA is now 6.38. What a joke.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 05:01 PM
Danny Graves is the suck

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 05:02 PM
Broussard singles in another run. 7-2.

SteelSD
05-22-2005, 05:02 PM
Fourth Run of the Inning scores. Graves has now allowed five baserunners.

The Graves situation is past untenable.

oneupper
05-22-2005, 05:02 PM
I don't understand why Wagner was not left out there for the 9th. They leave Lopez in so Wagner can pitch more than one inning. Then Wagner has a 1-2-3 8th and they take him out anyway.

Normal people do not readily understand why stupid people do what they do.

Mitri
05-22-2005, 05:03 PM
Danny Graves say your goodbyes. I think you just saw your last outing in Cincinnati.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 05:03 PM
Graves exits to a chorus of boos. By the way his ERA is now 6.87.

M2
05-22-2005, 05:03 PM
I'm not saying for sure that a good CF would have gloved Blake's double, but Jr. didn't get hailing distance of it. For lack of a better word it was Auriliaish.

MWM
05-22-2005, 05:04 PM
In his first three outings of the year, Danny didn't giveup any runs. Since then, he's pitched 16 times and given up at leat one run 8 times.

He's gone from being a good reliever out of position as a closer, to a bad reliever, to not even a major league pitcher.

oneupper
05-22-2005, 05:04 PM
I hope Broussard scores so Graves gets another ER.
Does that make me evil? :evil:

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 05:04 PM
Starting Bergolla while hitting him in the 2-slot in the lineup is just a symptom of what's wrong with this team's management. It's pretty tough to maintain any credibility by positioning the release of a productive player as being performance-driven but to then replace him with a player who won't produce anything but Outs.

It pretty much shows that neither Miley or O'Brien know what's really wrong and have no idea whatsoever as to how to fix it.

I agree Steel and I agree with M2 and others that Bergolla doesn't need to be here. But he is, and I don't really have a problem with him playing at this point in the season. I guess I'm just trying to find some kind of bright spot to this team and those are far and few between.

Just curious and this isn't meant to be argumentative, but who would you have playing 2B? With D'Lo gone and Freel hurt, I'm not sure they have any other options.

CincyRedsFan30
05-22-2005, 05:05 PM
Nothing to make a thread explode like a Danny Graves outing. :)

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 05:05 PM
It's the fans fault.....they don't support

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 05:05 PM
Gerut doubles. Unbelievable.

Chip R
05-22-2005, 05:06 PM
They should just eat Graves' contract and let him go. Talk about maximum effort. Going by the way he's been talking about the fans recently and how bad he's been pitching, I wonder if he's really giving his BEST effort.If they really wanted to make a statement, Graves would be gone. Go away, Danny, and don't come back.

Eric_Davis
05-22-2005, 05:06 PM
Hey ED, how's Jason Lane doing this year? :evil:

He had an All-Star April. Was one of the three best outfielders in the NL in April.

He's having a horrible May.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 05:07 PM
2 more runs score. 9-2. Please fire Miley and release Graves as soon as the game is over.

SteelSD
05-22-2005, 05:07 PM
I agree Steel and I agree with M2 and others that Bergolla doesn't need to be here. But he is, and I don't really have a problem with him playing at this point in the season. I guess I'm just trying to find some kind of bright spot to this team and those are far and few between.

Just curious and this isn't meant to be argumentative, but who would you have playing 2B? With D'Lo gone and Freel hurt, I'm not sure they have any other options.

If I were in charge of this ballclub, D'Angelo Jimenez would be playing Second Base today and would be hitting 7th in the lineup.

Miley and O'Brien created their own mess, so they really have no excuse.

(And I know you're not being argumentative.) :)

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 05:08 PM
5 earned runs today for Danny

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 05:08 PM
Boone strikes out as we finally see the 2nd out of the inning.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 05:09 PM
5 earned runs today for Danny
ERA now at 7.36.

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 05:09 PM
This place has filled up like a high school hallway during a chick fight.

oneupper
05-22-2005, 05:09 PM
Boone strikes out as we finally see the 2nd out of the inning.

Boone hasn't exactly been a tough out this year.

wally post
05-22-2005, 05:09 PM
If I were in charge of this ballclub, D'Angelo Jimenez would be playing Second Base today and would be hitting 7th in the lineup.

Miley and O'Brien created their own mess, so they really have no excuse.

(And I know you're not being argumentative.) :)

yeah, but I'd guess there is areason: to save their own butts!
Clueless - incompetent. I'm so afraid this is going to get worse. right now I'm hoping they leave Graves in to the very end of the inning. Does that make me sadistic?

MWM
05-22-2005, 05:10 PM
He had an All-Star April. Was one of the three best outfielders in the NL in April.

He's having a horrible May.

That's what happens when you carry your entire game in batting average. He should try laying off a pitch from time to time.

And BTW, his line in April was .295/.330/.557 for an OPS of .887. That hardly qualifies him as one of the best three in the game. Maybe top 20, but no better. In other words, he was hot for a couple of weeks and has doing nothing otherwise.

SteelSD
05-22-2005, 05:10 PM
He had an All-Star April. Was one of the three best outfielders in the NL in April.

He's having a horrible May.

Jason Lane ended April with a .330 OBP and a .887 OPS.

He's got a .388 OPS in May.

And here I thought all he needed was more playing time? ;)

MWM
05-22-2005, 05:11 PM
It's a good thing the Indinans sacrifice bunted after the lead-off guy got on base.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 05:12 PM
ERA now at 7.36.

that's our closer.

SteelSD
05-22-2005, 05:12 PM
Kearns is trying to hit an 8-Run HR right now.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 05:13 PM
Kearns strikes out looking.

traderumor
05-22-2005, 05:13 PM
C'mon, the Indians are an offensive juggernaut. They had to erupt sooner or later. Graves was just unfortunate to be on the mound when it happened. He was trying.

Funniest thing is Hoard was just bragging him up, about how his sinker was back and he didn't remember how it felt. Guess it wasn't biting today.

Raisor
05-22-2005, 05:13 PM
He had an All-Star April. Was one of the three best outfielders in the NL in April.

.

An .887 OPS in April=one of the three best OFers in the NL?

Somehow, I doubt that.

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 05:13 PM
Larue singles.

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 05:14 PM
If I were in charge of this ballclub, D'Angelo Jimenez would be playing Second Base today and would be hitting 7th in the lineup.

Miley and O'Brien created their own mess, so they really have no excuse.

(And I know you're not being argumentative.) :)

Yea', I still don't understand designating D'Lo. I have the feeling this may be the worst run organization in baseball right now.

I wonder if Graves can play 2B? It couldn't be worse than having him on the mound. Could it?

Spring~Fields
05-22-2005, 05:14 PM
If they really wanted to make a statement, Graves would be gone. Go away, Danny, and don't come back.

And here you told me that Graves was not smoking the good stuff last year, are you still so sure? ;) Mr. Laid Back Graves........

Eric_Davis
05-22-2005, 05:14 PM
That's what happens when you carry your entire game in batting average. He should try laying off a pitch from time to time.

And BTW, his line in April was .295/.330/.557 for an OPS of .887. That hardly qualifies him as one of the best three in the game. Maybe top 20, but no better. In other words, he was hot for a couple of weeks and has doing nothing otherwise.

In Baseball Weekly he was named to the first team outfield in the NL for April.

SteelSD
05-22-2005, 05:15 PM
Cleveland Indians Bullpen 2004- 4.88 ERA, .794 OPS Against

Cleveland Indians Bullpen 2005- 2.41 ERA, .557 OPS Against

Well now...bullpen repair can happen- and quickly. Not by Dan O'Brien, mind you. But it can happen.

Raisor
05-22-2005, 05:15 PM
In Baseball Weekly he was named to the first team outfield in the NL for April.

yippie?

Reds Fanatic
05-22-2005, 05:16 PM
F. Lopez doubles.

SteelSD
05-22-2005, 05:17 PM
In Baseball Weekly he was named to the first team outfield in the NL for April.

Actually reading Baseball Weekly would be your first mistake there. ;)

WVRedsFan
05-22-2005, 05:18 PM
I guess the thing that really bothers me about the current condition of the Reds is there appears to be no one who sees any problems on this club. Lindner (can't spell) says, "that's baseball." Miley and O'Brien come up with generalities and then blame D'Angelo Jiminez for the losing streak. The players we have are just as bad. Casey and Graves, who seem to be team spokesmen, become critics of the other players and get called in for "advice" (I know this is fairly common, but those two wouldn't be on my list). Gullett is simply not quotable or just doesn't talk to the press.

So, we have a totally impossible situation that can only be cured by firing Miley, Gullett, and O'Brien. Then we need to rid ourselves of Casey (it pains me to say that because I like Sean), Graves, and anyone else we can get someone for (if indeed we can) and start over. Any lingering will just make it a longer time until we can legitimately win again.

Sorry, but I'm glad the fans are upset with Danny. It may send a message.

Raisor
05-22-2005, 05:19 PM
For what it's worth, Lane was 6th in Runs Created for NL OFers in April.

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 05:19 PM
I guess the thing that really bothers me about the current condition of the Reds is there appears to be no one who sees any problems on this club. Lindner (can't spell) says, "that's baseball." Miley and O'Brien come up with generalities and then blame D'Angelo Jiminez for the losing streak. The players we have are just as bad. Casey and Graves, who seem to be team spokesmen, become critics of the other players and get called in for "advice" (I know this is fairly common, but those two wouldn't be on my list). Gullett is simply not quotable or just doesn't talk to the press.

So, we have a totally impossible situation that can only be cured by firing Miley, Gullett, and O'Brien. Then we need to rid ourselves of Casey (it pains me to say that because I like Sean), Graves, and anyone else we can get someone for (if indeed we can) and start over. Any lingering will just make it a longer time until we can legitimately win again.

Sorry, but I'm glad the fans are upset with Danny. It may send a message.

Maybe Danny will feel so small he'll vanish

SteelSD
05-22-2005, 05:20 PM
Yea', I still don't understand designating D'Lo. I have the feeling this may be the worst run organization in baseball right now.

I wonder if Graves can play 2B? It couldn't be worse than having him on the mound. Could it?

Personally I think it's the worst-run organization in all of professional sports.

CincyRedsFan30
05-22-2005, 05:20 PM
The nightmare finally ends!

Falls City Beer
05-22-2005, 05:21 PM
I guess the thing that really bothers me about the current condition of the Reds is there appears to be no one who sees any problems on this club. Lindner (can't spell) says, "that's baseball." Miley and O'Brien come up with generalities and then blame D'Angelo Jiminez for the losing streak. The players we have are just as bad. Casey and Graves, who seem to be team spokesmen, become critics of the other players and get called in for "advice" (I know this is fairly common, but those two wouldn't be on my list). Gullett is simply not quotable or just doesn't talk to the press.

So, we have a totally impossible situation that can only be cured by firing Miley, Gullett, and O'Brien. Then we need to rid ourselves of Casey (it pains me to say that because I like Sean), Graves, and anyone else we can get someone for (if indeed we can) and start over. Any lingering will just make it a longer time until we can legitimately win again.

Sorry, but I'm glad the fans are upset with Danny. It may send a message.

As my old man always said: as a law-abiding citizen, you've got three weapons: your pocketbook, your vote, and your voice.

Well, there are others, but you get the idea.

Reds Nd2
05-22-2005, 05:21 PM
Personally I think it's the worst-run organization in all of professional sports.

:beerme:

Matt700wlw
05-22-2005, 05:24 PM
Personally I think it's the worst-run organization in all of professional sports.

Mike Brown has finally given up his toilet! :clap:

Eric_Davis
05-22-2005, 05:24 PM
yippie?

It is what it is. He was the best among NL outfielders in April.

SteelSD
05-22-2005, 05:27 PM
It is what it is. He was the best among NL outfielders in April.

So was Juan Encarnacion.

And we all know how THAT'S going to work out.

Eric_Davis
05-22-2005, 05:37 PM
For what it's worth, Lane was 6th in Runs Created for NL OFers in April.

That's a legitimate stat. It doesn't take away the fact that given consistent playing time, he has the ability to put up big numbers. He needs 600 AB's/year for a couple of years.

LvJ
05-22-2005, 05:40 PM
:dancingco Classic Graves today.

Raisor
05-22-2005, 05:53 PM
That's a legitimate stat. It doesn't take away the fact that given consistent playing time, he has the ability to put up big numbers. He needs 600 AB's/year for a couple of years.


If you add up all his Runs Created since the start of the 2002 season (59.9 RC) and divide that number by his total plate appearances (421) then multiply THAT number by 600 you get 85.36 Runs Created per 600 TPA.

That would have been good enough for 37th best ML OFer last season.

average at best.

pedro
05-22-2005, 05:57 PM
So was Juan Encarnacion.

And we all know how THAT'S going to work out.

When Juan Encarnacion hit a grand slam on opening day vs. the Braves Skip Carey immediatley quipped "well I think it's safe to say it's downhill for Encarnacion from here on out"

SteelSD
05-22-2005, 06:19 PM
That's a legitimate stat. It doesn't take away the fact that given consistent playing time, he has the ability to put up big numbers. He needs 600 AB's/year for a couple of years.

You'd be much better off to just say, "Yeah, he's not very good right now."

The more consistent his playing time gets, the worse he's become. Go figure.

And using your timeline, if Lane gets consistent AB for the next couple seasons, he might be really good by age 30 or 31. Yippee.

KronoRed
05-22-2005, 06:23 PM
:dancingco Classic Graves today.

I read the box score and just said one thing

"Graves!"

;)