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Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 07:52 PM
Today's Lineups
NO. WASHINGTON CINCINNATI
1. M. Byrd, CF R. Freel, 3B
2. J. Carroll, 2B F. Lopez, SS
3. J. Guillen, RF S. Casey, 1B
4. N. Johnson, 1B K. Griffey Jr., CF
5. V. Castilla, 3B A. Dunn, LF
6. T. Blanco, LF A. Kearns, RF
7. C. Guzman, SS J. LaRue, C
8. B. Schneider, C W. Bergolla, 2B
9. E. Loaiza, P E. Milton, P

WVRed
05-23-2005, 07:52 PM
Lineups-


M. Byrd cf
J. Carroll 2b
J. Guillen rf
N. Johnson 1b
V. Castilla 3b
T. Blanco lf
C. Guzman ss
B. Schneider c
E. Loaiza p

R. Freel 3b
F. Lopez ss
S. Casey 1b
K. Griffey Jr. cf
A. Dunn lf
A. Kearns rf
J. LaRue c
W. Bergolla 2b
E. Milton p

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 07:56 PM
CINCINNATI (Ticker) -- Eric Milton, the National League's leader in homers allowed, starts for the struggling Cincinnati Reds on Monday against the power-hungry Washington Nationals in the opener of a three-game series at Great American Ball Park.

Milton (2-5, 7.16 ERA) has been a major disappointment after inking a three-year, $25.5 million contract with Cincinnati this winter. The veteran lefthander has allowed a league-high 15 homers and has surrendered six runs or more in four of his last five outings.

In this one, Milton faces a Nationals offense that has managed just nine homers in 20 games this month. Washington scored a total of one run in dropping the first two games of its weekend series with Toronto, but pounded out 13 hits in a 9-2 victory on Sunday.

Washington sends Esteban Loaiza (1-2, 3.08) to the mound as the veteran righthander looks to beat the Reds for the first time in more than eight seasons. His only victory against Cincinnati came on April 17, 1997 as a member of the Pittsburgh Pirates.

Loaiza has held opponents to three runs or fewer in eight straight starts, including Wednesday against Milwaukee when he tossed eight scoreless innings but did not factor in the 1-0 loss.

The Reds dropped two of three this weekend to the Cleveland Indians, and have lost six of their last seven games overall. Cincinnati is 0-8-3 in its last 11 series since taking two of three from Houston from April 15-17.

Matt700wlw
05-23-2005, 07:57 PM
Eric Milton vs the likes of Castilla and Jose Guillen is a frightening thought

Larkin411
05-23-2005, 07:57 PM
Oh darn no Randa. Note sarcasm.

Ravenlord
05-23-2005, 08:01 PM
wathced about 5 starts from Loaiza today. righters, he likes going cutter, slider, slider, sinker. lefties slider, slider, sinker, four-seamer. then when runners get on it's almost entirely cutters and slider to righties. sinkers and sliders to lefties. when he gets a lefty 0-2, he likes throwing a 4 seamer. i think he does that with Dunn or Griffey, they'll hit the ball a long way.

throws cutter: 32.6%, 86-89 MPH, sits at 88
slider: 22.8%, 84-86 MPH, sits at 86
sinker: 29.3%, 88-90 MPH, sits at 88
four-seamer: 10.9%, 90-92 MPH, sits at 91
curveball: 3.2%, 77-78 MPH, sits at 77

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 08:02 PM
Eric Milton vs the likes of Castilla and Jose Guillen is a frightening thought

I'm just here to report the news, not comment on it. :)

:beerme: Here's to the first game in a Graves Free World.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:02 PM
Can we trade Welsh and Grande to the Braves for Skip and Pete?

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:03 PM
Pre-game, Milton gives up 0 HR.

Larkin411
05-23-2005, 08:03 PM
wathced about 5 starts from Loaiza today. righters, he likes going cutter, slider, slider, sinker. lefties slider, slider, sinker, four-seamer. then when runners get on it's almost entirely cutters and slider to righties. sinkers and sliders to lefties. when he gets a lefty 0-2, he likes throwing a 4 seamer. i think he does that with Dunn or Griffey, they'll hit the ball a long way.

throws cutter: 32.6%, 86-89 MPH, sits at 88
slider: 22.8%, 84-86 MPH, sits at 86
sinker: 29.3%, 88-90 MPH, sits at 88
four-seamer: 10.9%, 90-92 MPH, sits at 91
curveball: 3.2%, 77-78 MPH, sits at 77

Thanks for the info! I wonder if the Reds look at information like that. I remember hearing Miley say something about not looking too closely at that sort of thing.

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 08:04 PM
Hey Matt, how about a heads up before you kill the stream. Thanks.

LINEDRIVER
05-23-2005, 08:05 PM
I told a few people at work today that Milton will give up at least 6 runs by the 6th inning. He's been making me look very smart lately. lol

Ravenlord
05-23-2005, 08:06 PM
he (Loaiza) also threw a fastball sidearm in his last start against Lyle Overbay. it crossed up Overbay so badly he nearly fell down.

LvJ
05-23-2005, 08:08 PM
:dancingco Ok, Graves is gone. That right there adds atleast 5 wins onto the season. We're still in this! ;)

pedro
05-23-2005, 08:08 PM
Can we trade Welsh and Grande to the Braves for Skip and Pete?

jeez, I'd even take Don and Joe, they're light years ahead of the schmaltz we're getting.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:09 PM
jeez, I'd even take Don and Joe, they're light years ahead of the schmaltz we're getting.

I have no idea why the Braves announcers take the thrashing they do, because all four are pretty darn good at their jobs.

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 08:10 PM
i think he does that with Dunn or Griffey, they'll hit the ball a long way.

throws cutter: 32.6%, 86-89 MPH, sits at 88
slider: 22.8%, 84-86 MPH, sits at 86
sinker: 29.3%, 88-90 MPH, sits at 88
four-seamer: 10.9%, 90-92 MPH, sits at 91
curveball: 3.2%, 77-78 MPH, sits at 77

How does Loaiza's curve break?

Matt700wlw
05-23-2005, 08:10 PM
Hey Matt, how about a heads up before you kill the stream. Thanks.

Sorry....it's automatic :)

...as soon as you hear the pitching matchup, prepare for it to turn off

LvJ
05-23-2005, 08:10 PM
Nice catch Freel.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:10 PM
Really bad camera work to start the game.

Do they get kids right out of school to direct these things?

Falls City Beer
05-23-2005, 08:11 PM
I have no idea why the Braves announcers take the thrashing they do, because all four are pretty darn good at their jobs.

They're fine, but they've always struck me as smug (and make all kinds of excuses for the Braves failures in the postseason). JMO.

Caveat Emperor
05-23-2005, 08:11 PM
Hey Threadies...

"It will be a day long remembered...it has seen the end of Graves, it will soon see the end of the Reds season..."

LINEDRIVER
05-23-2005, 08:12 PM
Loaiza making his 10th start of the yr.

No more than 3 earned runs allowed in each of his last 8 starts.

1.88 ERA in May

last 5 starts = 36.2 innings, 8 walks, 0 HR's allowed

OnBaseMachine
05-23-2005, 08:12 PM
Hey Threadies...

"It will be a day long remembered...it has seen the end of Graves, it will soon see the end of the Reds season..."

Who said that?

Let me guess-George Grande?

Chip R
05-23-2005, 08:13 PM
All right, any takers on who will hit the first HR vs. Milton? I say Vinny.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:13 PM
I blame the Graves situation on that wild pitch.

LvJ
05-23-2005, 08:13 PM
All right, any takers on who will hit the first HR vs. Milton? I say Vinny. Blanco. ;)

wheels
05-23-2005, 08:13 PM
It makes me nuts to see a guy like Loaiza, and then look at what the Reds brought in.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:13 PM
All right, any takers on who will hit the first HR vs. Milton? I say Vinny.


Christian Guzman!

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 08:14 PM
Hey Threadies...

"It will be a day long remembered...it has seen the end of Graves, it will soon see the end of the Reds season..."

:laugh:

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 08:14 PM
Sorry....it's automatic :)

...as soon as you hear the pitching matchup, prepare for it to turn off

No problem Matt. I got mlb.tv on in time to see the first pitch.

LINEDRIVER
05-23-2005, 08:15 PM
JimBo signed Loaiza for one year at 2.9 million

And we owe Milton about 22 million???

Caveat Emperor
05-23-2005, 08:17 PM
Now time for a patent-pending "Emp's Instant Poll:"

Over under on Milton's HR's today: 2.5

Who wants the over, who wants the under?

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 08:17 PM
I blame the Graves situation on that wild pitch.

And I blame the Graves situation on D'Angelo Jimenez not being nicer to Sean Casey.

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 08:18 PM
And I blame the Graves situation on D'Angelo Jimenez not being nicer to Sean Casey.

I blame Adam Dunn for all of it. :evil:

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 08:19 PM
I blame Bob Boone

We'll crush the Nationals :cool:

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 08:19 PM
Now time for a patent-pending "Emp's Instant Poll:"

Over under on Milton's HR's today: 2.5

Who wants the over, who wants the under?

Under

Milton pitches a gem tonight.

flyer85
05-23-2005, 08:22 PM
It makes me nuts to see a guy like Loaiza, and then look at what the Reds brought in.he was the guy I wanted, upside on a 1 year deal.

flyer85
05-23-2005, 08:22 PM
Guillen still can't play the OF.

Matt700wlw
05-23-2005, 08:22 PM
Under

Milton pitches a gem tonight.

A gem would be 5 runs ;)

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:22 PM
Reds need to release FoC (Friends of Casey) everyday if he's going to pound the snot out of the ball like he did there.

Chip R
05-23-2005, 08:23 PM
Now time for a patent-pending "Emp's Instant Poll:"

Over under on Milton's HR's today: 2.5

Who wants the over, who wants the under?
I want over.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:23 PM
Sean proves, once again, what a great head of hair he has on him.

Casey needs to get a chin strap or something on that helmet.

westofyou
05-23-2005, 08:23 PM
Guillen played that ball well wouldn't you say?

westofyou
05-23-2005, 08:24 PM
So the 5th leaves Dunn to maybe hit one of those useless solo HR's.

TeamDunn
05-23-2005, 08:24 PM
Guillen played that ball well wouldn't you say?

He misses us...just trying to help us out. ;)

Caveat Emperor
05-23-2005, 08:24 PM
Guillen played that ball well wouldn't you say?

I'd refer to it as "Pena-esq"

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:26 PM
So the 5th leaves Dunn to maybe hit one of those useless solo HR's.

If Dunn were a real player, he'd Tanya Harding Casey's knee and take his spot in the lineup.

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 08:26 PM
Grande cracks me up. When Loaiza threw back to second base, he said "They worry about his (Casey) speed with good reason". I'm sure he was joking, but I thought it was hilarious.

Ravenlord
05-23-2005, 08:26 PM
How does Loaiza's curve break?straight down, it usually doesn't make it to the plate. i'm not sure why he even bothers throwing it.

flyer85
05-23-2005, 08:27 PM
blanco ... somebody shoot me

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 08:27 PM
Casey has mad speed ;)

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 08:28 PM
Blanco does look Pena2003 like.

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 08:28 PM
Wow. Blanco can move.

CincyRedsFan30
05-23-2005, 08:28 PM
Am I imagining or is Milton actually getting hitters to hit balls on the ground? :eek:

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:29 PM
With Graves gone, who now has the second best hair on the team, behind Casey?

I vote Kearns. Got that Jeff Blauser-natural curls thing going for him.

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 08:29 PM
straight down, it usually doesn't make it to the plate. i'm not sure why he even bothers throwing it.

Thanks RL.

flyer85
05-23-2005, 08:29 PM
in an organization with so little talent, how do you lose blanco?

JaxRed
05-23-2005, 08:29 PM
I agree Milton looks different today.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:29 PM
Note to JimBo, Suit jackets don't go well with Leather Pants.

Just sayin.

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 08:31 PM
Blanco was busting it down the line! I thought he was gonna' beat that one out. Freel might want to keep that in mind the next time he wants to double pump before he throws.

Matt700wlw
05-23-2005, 08:32 PM
Am I imagining or is Milton actually getting hitters to hit balls on the ground? :eek:

He's been putting in extra work with Gullet... ;)

letsgojunior
05-23-2005, 08:32 PM
Hi game threadies :wave:


Note to JimBo, Suit jackets don't go well with Leather Pants.

Just sayin.

Wow Phil, first Casey's hair, now wardrobe tips for Jimbo.

Good to know you'll be keeping us updated on all the fashion faux pas.;)

TeamDunn
05-23-2005, 08:33 PM
Wow Phil, first Casey's hair, now wardrobe tips for Jimbo.

Good to know you'll be keeping us updated on all the fashion faux pas.;)

Wait until he starts planning the wedding! :laugh:

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:33 PM
Wow Phil, first Casey's hair, now wardrobe tips for Jimbo.

Good to know you'll be keeping us updated on all the fashion faux pas.;)

I'm multifacited.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 08:33 PM
Phil watches Gilmore Girls..he knows all ;)

LvJ
05-23-2005, 08:34 PM
omg. Someone shut up Welsch and Grande, or atleast invite someone smart into the booth to view the other side.

membengal
05-23-2005, 08:34 PM
If Chris Welsh doesn't stop weeping for Danny Graves, I am gonna be ill. Seriously.

LvJ
05-23-2005, 08:34 PM
Phil watches Gilmore Girls..he knows all ;) :dancingco Gilmore Girls crew, sign in!

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:34 PM
I don't think I'm going to be able to listen to too much more of the blather from George and Chris.

Big Klu
05-23-2005, 08:35 PM
George and Chris disgust me right now.

Stormy
05-23-2005, 08:35 PM
I agree Milton looks different today.

I think it's a matter of him working backwards. He's starting an overanxious team off with offspeed pitches (curve/change) then spotting his fastball, after getting ahead in the count. Probably worth a try, especially against a trigger happy Nats' lineup... though it may not work more than a single time through the order, unless he mixes it up more. We've seen a season worth of Milton trying to establish/get ahead with his velocity/location challenged fastball early in the count, and we've seen what happens when he's forced to resort to serving it up when behind in the count. Looks like a conscious attempt to get ahead in the counts with offspeed selections, and keeping batters off balance from there.

Red in Chicago
05-23-2005, 08:35 PM
these guys are making me sick with all the graves butt kissing...he's gone...he sucked...move on...end of story...

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:35 PM
La-Rue, La-Rue, La-Rue is on fire.

Big Klu
05-23-2005, 08:36 PM
George says there will be a whole lot of interest by other clubs in Danny Graves's services.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 08:36 PM
George and Chris are on a new level today :bang:

Caveat Emperor
05-23-2005, 08:37 PM
Glad to see Bergolla learning well at the big league level. :rolleyes:

KittyDuran
05-23-2005, 08:37 PM
Think Milton will hit another HR?

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 08:37 PM
Grande and Welsh doing everything within their power to avoid saying "Dan O'Brien lies."

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:38 PM
The only thing worse then listening to George and Chris tonight would be if the Reds were playing the Cards tonight.

Big Klu
05-23-2005, 08:38 PM
What has Marty said on the radio?

membengal
05-23-2005, 08:38 PM
George says there will be a whole lot of interest by other clubs in Danny Graves's services.

Right. Because other teams are desperate for guys who allow almost three hits an inning and carry a $6 million dollar contract.

"Damn", they say, "Where can I get me some of that?"

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 08:38 PM
Milton! :eek:

LvJ
05-23-2005, 08:38 PM
MILTON RBI SINGLE!

Cool slide Kearns. :dancingco

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:38 PM
Eric Milton is the greatest player in the history of today.

membengal
05-23-2005, 08:39 PM
Wait a minute, Chris Welsh just realized that "all that really matter is wins and losses."

Really Chris? Really? Just NOW you figures that out?

letsgojunior
05-23-2005, 08:39 PM
George and Chris disgust me right now.

I'm listening to music instead. I have always disliked Graves and anyone who disagrees with me, well they can face the wrath of my -5 negativization power.:)

CrackerJack
05-23-2005, 08:39 PM
A head first slide, whattya know...

Matt700wlw
05-23-2005, 08:39 PM
Miley should consider using Milton as a pinch-hitter on his off days

CincyRedsFan30
05-23-2005, 08:39 PM
The HR rate between Milton and Loaiza is astounding:

Milton: 15 HR in 51 IP

Loaiza: 2 HR in 63 IP

Milton's a better hitter though. ;)

Virginia Beach Reds
05-23-2005, 08:39 PM
George and Chris disgust me right now.

The game is BLACKED OUT tonight on EI for me (Nationals viewing area in Virg Beach?)

What is Welsh saying about Graves???

Red in Chicago
05-23-2005, 08:40 PM
how much weight does kearns need to lose...i say about 10 pounds...

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:40 PM
Right. Because team's are desperate for guys who allow almost three hits an inning and carry a $6 million dollar contract.



well, to be fair, whatever team that picks him up will get him for the minimum.

Graves would be fine if the Reds were paying him a pro-rated 300K.

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 08:40 PM
Wow. George Grande just said the words "On Base Percentage".

Sounded like he even knew what it was.

OldCat
05-23-2005, 08:41 PM
well, to be fair, whatever team that picks him up will get him for the minimum.

Graves would be fine if the Reds were paying him a pro-rated 300K.


No, he wouldn't.

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 08:41 PM
I watched that game George! It wasn't D'Lo's fault he got thrown out by a mile at homeplate. Blame for that lays with Berry. A slide wouldn't have helped.

Caveat Emperor
05-23-2005, 08:41 PM
Miley should consider using Milton as a pinch-hitter on his off days

Reds tried to make Danny Graves the next Derek Lowe...

Maybe they should try their hand at making Eric Milton the next Brooks Kieschnick.

One way or another, he's going to earn that $25 million! :laugh:

CincyRedsFan30
05-23-2005, 08:41 PM
I think Milton would be a better PH than Luis Lopez.

Stormy
05-23-2005, 08:41 PM
This Bergolla nonsense is working out nicely. He's been a 1 man rally-killer in each of his starts, and you can't even hide him in the 8 hole. He's so overmatched, that if he doesn't make contact on a first pitch fastball, you can usually mark it down as an AB where he's fortunate to get the ball out of the infield. What a waste of time and stunting of development. Yet another reason you don't just release 2B's who average 760+OPS over the course of multiple seasons (unless you like the current 118OBP, 235OPS which has taken it's place). At least someone apparently informed Miley that he's not a #2 hitter simply because he's speedy and plays middle infield.

Milton with an opposite field hit, scoring Kearns. 1-0 Reds.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:42 PM
No, he wouldn't.


I had a response, but Anna Kournikova just showed up on my tv and I lost the thought.

westofyou
05-23-2005, 08:42 PM
George and Chris are now acknowledging that the Reds have problems.... out of the fog like two idiots in a tragedy.

Big Klu
05-23-2005, 08:42 PM
The game is BLACKED OUT tonight on EI for me (Nationals viewing area in Virg Beach?)

What is Welsh saying about Graves???

Basically that they should not have cut him, and that instead they should have worked to with him to get his velocity and location back--possibly by putting him on the DL.

membengal
05-23-2005, 08:43 PM
well, to be fair, whatever team that picks him up will get him for the minimum.

Graves would be fine if the Reds were paying him a pro-rated 300K.

That's true, but I was assuming that the Welsh/Grande love-in meant that they think teams will be lining up to get him in the next ten days at full freight. After the 10 days pass and he can be signed for the minimum, yes, he will get a job somewhere. Teams do that. But Graves before then for his full freight? No. No way.

If some team does pick him and his contract up for full freight, I will give myself a 10-day ban from the site.

Big Klu
05-23-2005, 08:43 PM
George and Chris are now acknowledging that the Reds have problems.... out of the fog like two idiots in a tragedy.

"Waiting For Godot"

flyer85
05-23-2005, 08:43 PM
Maybe they are working on dealing Randa ... so that is why he is not in the lineup.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 08:43 PM
I like the nationals uniforms.


What Glory has Anna had to be beyond? ;)

RosieRed
05-23-2005, 08:45 PM
Chat's open. :)

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:45 PM
What Glory has Anna had to be beyond? ;)

I didn't even pay attention what the commercial was about.

Matt700wlw
05-23-2005, 08:45 PM
What Glory has Anna had to be beyond? ;)

Never gave it much thought :)

LINEDRIVER
05-23-2005, 08:47 PM
Maybe they are working on dealing Randa ... so that is why he is not in the lineup.
Ive been thinking the same thing since I heard Randa was out of the lineup tonight with a 'sore foot'. Maybe thats why DanO is in California? As in Los Angeles?

letsgojunior
05-23-2005, 08:47 PM
That's true, but I was assuming that the Welsh/Grande love-in meant that they think teams will be lining up to get him in the next ten days at full freight. After the 10 days pass and he can be signed for the minimum, yes, he will get a job somewhere. Teams do that. But Graves before then for his full freight? No. No way.

If some team does pick him and his contract up for full freight, I will give myself a 10-day ban from the site.

Agreed, he might have some value at the league minimum if he can his velocity up and his head on straight, but he is dead weight to ANY team (even the Yankees) at his current salary and level of performance. Which shows just how monumentally stupid it is for a relatively low budget franchise to hand out big long-term contracts to mediocre talent that's easily replaceable. I mean, if the Yankees gave this contract to Graves, we'd say how stupid they were. But when we do it, it strangles the franchise for years. Just can't continue to make these kinds of errors in judgment.

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 08:49 PM
George and Chris are now acknowledging that the Reds have problems.... out of the fog like two idiots in a tragedy.

Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Broadcasters

JaxRed
05-23-2005, 08:50 PM
They said Randa had sore foot.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 08:50 PM
I didn't even pay attention what the commercial was about.
Mcgriddles girl will not be pleased

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 08:51 PM
Through two and a half innings Milton's got a 5-1 GO/FO. Wow...

flyer85
05-23-2005, 08:51 PM
no gidp

Stormy
05-23-2005, 08:52 PM
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Broadcasters

Hmmmmm, maybe they're the next to be 'dispatched, no shriving time allowed.'

FeLo with a leadoff single up the middle, he just keeps raking.

Matt700wlw
05-23-2005, 08:52 PM
Casey is 2 for 2!

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:52 PM
Mcgriddles girl will not be pleased

McGriddles girl and Anna can fight over me if they want, but there's more then enough Phil to go around.

Don't tell Amanda.

flyer85
05-23-2005, 08:52 PM
DanO looks like Smeagol

Ravenlord
05-23-2005, 08:52 PM
Loaiza left that 4-seamer too far up. base hit Casey...runners on first and third.

LvJ
05-23-2005, 08:53 PM
Lord Vader has spoken.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:54 PM
George mentions "little ball", everyone take a drink!

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 08:54 PM
Just heard Dan O'Brien lie about Graves and Jimenez via taped phone interview.

He's a boldfaced liar, folks. That's an ugly thing to say, I know, but there's no clearer language I can use.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 08:54 PM
Dunn will go off here

letsgojunior
05-23-2005, 08:54 PM
McGriddles girl and Anna can fight over me if they want, but there's more then enough Phil to go around.

Don't tell Amanda.

And we all know what the PS in PSR stands for.;)

Sabo17
05-23-2005, 08:55 PM
Good hit Griff!! Go Redz 2-0

Matt700wlw
05-23-2005, 08:55 PM
Just heard Dan O'Brien lie about Graves and Jimenez via taped phone interview.

He's a boldfaced liar, folks. That's an ugly thing to say, I know, but there's no clearer language I can use.

Do tell!

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:56 PM
And we all know what the PS in PSR stands for.;)


You ain't kidding!

westofyou
05-23-2005, 08:57 PM
Dunn has 2 IF singles this year.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:58 PM
I hate to tell Chris, but "little ball" is done on purpose.

What the Reds have done in this inning is get lucky with "oops" hits.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 08:58 PM
Dunn has 2 IF singles this year.

He stinks..he should do that every time

OnBaseMachine
05-23-2005, 08:58 PM
Kearns just missed hitting that out.

membengal
05-23-2005, 08:59 PM
Just heard Dan O'Brien lie about Graves and Jimenez via taped phone interview.

He's a boldfaced liar, folks. That's an ugly thing to say, I know, but there's no clearer language I can use.

Need some details.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 08:59 PM
He stinks..he should do that every time

he just isn't scrappy enough to do that

LvJ
05-23-2005, 08:59 PM
Kearns is hawt.

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 08:59 PM
Do tell!

Matt, the guy continues to adamantly claim that both Jimenez and Graves situations were solely performance-driven decisions. Won't budge an inch off of that position.

Ravenlord
05-23-2005, 08:59 PM
Dunn will go off herehe just missed it on that hanging slider...then he singles on a cutter out of the zone.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:00 PM
Would it be illegal on a pop foul like that for the hitter to run after the ball and try to hit it while it's still in the air, and if so, why?

Matt700wlw
05-23-2005, 09:00 PM
Matt, the guy continues to adamantly claim that both Jimenez and Graves situations were solely performance-driven decisions. Won't budge an inch off of that position.

So nothing new then....just thought I'd check :)

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 09:01 PM
Loaiza gives LaRue a little side arm action.

letsgojunior
05-23-2005, 09:01 PM
Here's a fun picture

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050523/capt.csa10105232213.nationals_reds_csa101.jpg

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:01 PM
La-Rue, La-Rue, La-Rue is on fire

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 09:02 PM
Austin :eek:

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:03 PM
Here's a fun picture

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050523/capt.csa10105232213.nationals_reds_csa101.jpg


Jim needs to lay off the cupcakes. They also have IRONS in the hotel rooms now, too.

Sabo17
05-23-2005, 09:03 PM
LaRue has that average all the way up to .212... Keep it up Jason. You gotta long way to go...

OnBaseMachine
05-23-2005, 09:03 PM
Good thing Bergolla isn't down in Louisville working on his plate discipline. :rolleyes:

westofyou
05-23-2005, 09:04 PM
Matt, the guy continues to adamantly claim that both Jimenez and Graves situations were solely performance-driven decisions. Won't budge an inch off of that position.

Spin is spin, they don't feel the need to tell the public squat about anything, just spin, spin and spin.

Baseball, hot dog apple pies and chevrolets....

Sabo17
05-23-2005, 09:04 PM
Good thing Bergolla isn't down in Louisville working on his plate discipline. :rolleyes:

What does he need that for. We have established that the strikeout is perfectly ok in Cincinnati... :help:

Ravenlord
05-23-2005, 09:04 PM
Loaiza threw a lot of 4-seamers that inning...wonder if that's the book on the Reds hitters with runners on?

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 09:05 PM
Would it be illegal on a pop foul like that for the hitter to run after the ball and try to hit it while it's still in the air, and if so, why?

Because you can't even do that in tennis. Hasn't Anna taught you anything? ;)

flyer85
05-23-2005, 09:05 PM
Milton using his offspeed a lot more tonight

Virginia Beach Reds
05-23-2005, 09:05 PM
Bergolla has whiffed on 1/3 of his at bats this season (granted small sample size). Hopefully this won't screw him up too bad when he's ready for the big leagues in 3 years.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:05 PM
Because you can't even do that in tennis. Hasn't Anna taught you anything? ;)

wait, Anna played tennis?

OnBaseMachine
05-23-2005, 09:06 PM
What does he need that for. We have established that the strikeout is perfectly ok in Cincinnati... :help:

Not when you can't hit or take a walk. Or even work the count past 0-2, 1-2.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:07 PM
by the way, looks like it could start thundering and stuff here in the ATL. I'm staying here until I have to make a run for the bomb shelter/tornado shelter.

Don't worry, I have plenty of Captain Crunch in there to keep me going for awhile.

Larkin411
05-23-2005, 09:07 PM
This is off-topic, but does anyone know how Wily Mo responded to D'Lo's "firing"? I just wondered because he was the only one I saw D'Lo ever talk to in the dug out.

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 09:07 PM
Not when you can't hit or take a walk. Or even work the count past 0-2, 1-2.

To call Bergolla overmatched at this point would be an insult to players who are only overmatched. I feel bad for the kid at this point.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 09:08 PM
Is Wily Mo in town?

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 09:08 PM
Welsh just blamed Graves' teammates for Danny's one finger salute yesterday.

Now Grande is blaming player leadership when all we heard from the Reds this offseason was about how many leaders they were bringing in.

OnBaseMachine
05-23-2005, 09:09 PM
To call Bergolla overmatched at this point would be an insult to players who are only overmatched. I feel bad for the kid at this point.

I do too. It's not his fault the Reds rushed him to the majors. He's clearly not ready. Why can't they see that?

westofyou
05-23-2005, 09:09 PM
I just wondered because he was the only one I saw D'Lo ever talk to in the dug out.

They shared a love of anagrams and boggle.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:09 PM
My head hurts.

Super_Barry11
05-23-2005, 09:10 PM
This is off-topic, but does anyone know how Wily Mo responded to D'Lo's "firing"? I just wondered because he was the only one I saw D'Lo ever talk to in the dug out.

I know that Wily, D'Angelo, and Acevedo were very close, so it must be tough for Wily right now.

letsgojunior
05-23-2005, 09:10 PM
Bergolla has whiffed on 1/3 of his at bats this season (granted small sample size). Hopefully this won't screw him up too bad when he's ready for the big leagues in 3 years.

Prior to today's game he has put up the following stats:

2-17
118 BA
118 OBP
118 SLG
235 OPS
0 BB/4 K

I'm concerned this is going to be a Reith-type scarring for him in terms of his future with the club. Why they just can't put Freel at 2B, Lopez at SS, and keep the OF as is (eventually with Pena returning) is beyond me.

creek14
05-23-2005, 09:10 PM
Welsh just blamed Graves' teammates for Danny's one finger salute yesterday.

Now Grande is blaming player leadership when all we heard from the Reds this offseason was about how many leaders they were bringing in.
It's amazing you can relate all of that cause when Chris and Geo speak all I hear is blah blah blah blah blah...

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 09:10 PM
I do too. It's not his fault the Reds rushed him to the majors. He's clearly not ready. Why can't they see that?

Because they don't want to give Freel 2nd base

Who knows why

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:10 PM
OK, so Sean Casey is Dean Martin, who is Frank Sinatra?

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 09:11 PM
Ok. Both Grande and Welsh need to take an MMPI immediately because I'm now convinced that there's something mentally wrong with both.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:11 PM
I know one thing, Joe Randa is Joey Bishop.

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 09:13 PM
It's amazing you can relate all of that cause when Chris and Geo speak all I hear is blah blah blah blah blah...

I used to work in customer service so I'm able to translate Moron very well.

creek14
05-23-2005, 09:13 PM
Milton hitting 91 on the gun. Guess he doesn't want to he Jiminezed.

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 09:13 PM
wait, Anna played tennis?

If you could call it that. :laugh:

Larkin411
05-23-2005, 09:14 PM
I know that Wily, D'Angelo, and Acevedo were very close, so it must be tough for Wily right now.

I wonder if not having Barry Larkin there makes it more difficult for some of the latin players. I thought maybe he might be a bridge between some of the cliques in the clubhouse. Not that I'm biased toward Larkin or anything :)

Matt700wlw
05-23-2005, 09:15 PM
Milton is 2 for 2 with a double :eek:

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:16 PM
ERIC MILTON IS THE GREATEST PLAYER I'VE EVER SEEN tonight.

LvJ
05-23-2005, 09:16 PM
MITLON :bowrofl:

creek14
05-23-2005, 09:16 PM
Milton going for the cycle tonight.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 09:16 PM
Milton wants to be the DH in inter league ;)

CincyRedsFan30
05-23-2005, 09:16 PM
Milton's OBP is higher than Aurilia's now. ;)

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 09:16 PM
Welsh just called Eric Milton "The Ultimate Left-Handed Hitting Pitcher Who Goes the Other Way".

That's a direct quote.

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 09:16 PM
Welsh just blamed Graves' teammates for Danny's one finger salute yesterday.

And he was trying to compare a hot tempered guy like Guillen to Graves to make his point. I'm just stunned.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 09:18 PM
Lopez with a sac fly..guess he's better then Dunn now ;)

creek14
05-23-2005, 09:18 PM
Smallball is your friend.

Super_Barry11
05-23-2005, 09:18 PM
Eric Milton is a BEAST!! :p: :laugh:

OnBaseMachine
05-23-2005, 09:19 PM
I went to the game yesterday.

I walked down to the field level seats while the Indians were taking BP. Pena was testing out his leg in the outfield. He walked over near where I was at and stood for a few minutes and talked to the trainer. I was shocked at how big he is... Dude has tree trunks for arms.

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 09:19 PM
Did they actually give Freel a base hit on that?

DoogMinAmo
05-23-2005, 09:19 PM
Wow SB11, that is Sean Casey up close and personal.

On a game note, was Freel's bunt supposed to be a sacrifice?

Super_Barry11
05-23-2005, 09:20 PM
I wonder if not having Barry Larkin there makes it more difficult for some of the latin players. I thought maybe he might be a bridge between some of the cliques in the clubhouse. Not that I'm biased toward Larkin or anything :)

:laugh: I'm with ya!! I actually thought about that, but then, I attribute EVERYTHING that has gone wrong this season (pretty much EVERYTHING in general) to the fact that Barry Larkin isn't here anymore. :D

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:20 PM
. I was shocked at how big he is... Dude has tree trunks for arms.

I can relate.

I'm built like a tree myself.

ok, a stump, but still...

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 09:21 PM
Did they actually give Freel a base hit on that?
I think so, yes.

creek14
05-23-2005, 09:21 PM
The Nationals catcher looks like the Michelin Man.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 09:21 PM
Someone in chat thinks we need Darth Vader to manage here

FlyingPig
05-23-2005, 09:21 PM
Milton is batting .263..

he's ahead of Dunn, Kearns, and Griffey...

:dunno:

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:21 PM
Casey walks, the world ends in 10 minutes.

Super_Barry11
05-23-2005, 09:21 PM
Wow SB11, that is Sean Casey up close and personal.

Yeah, it's kinda creepy, isn't it?? Give me a minute, and I'll change it. :)

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 09:22 PM
Wow SB11, that is Sean Casey up close and personal.

On a game note, was Freel's bunt supposed to be a sacrifice?

Yeah. Even if the official scorer wanted to assume he was attempting to bunt for a hit, the best that can come out of that should have been a Fielder's Choice.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:22 PM
Someone in chat thinks we need Darth Vader to manage here



"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

OnBaseMachine
05-23-2005, 09:22 PM
I can relate.

I'm built like a tree myself.

ok, a stump, but still...

Yer built like this tree.

http://www.treeswaterpeople.org/InternatImages/Man&SkinnyTree.jpg

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 09:22 PM
The Nationals catcher looks like the Michelin Man.

I was thinking more "Starship Troopers".

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 09:23 PM
Milton is batting .263..

he's ahead of Dunn, Kearns, and Griffey...

:dunno:

Thus Bat avg was proved to be irrelevant ;)

DoogMinAmo
05-23-2005, 09:23 PM
So does Frankie put on the Griffey shift with runners on first and second? If so, seems like the ideal time for Griffey to lay down a "what the" bunt.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 09:23 PM
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Hmm..Cheesey ;)

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:24 PM
So does Frankie put on the Griffey shift with runners on first and second? If so, seems like the ideal time for Griffey to lay down a "what the" bunt.

or with a 4 run lead and only one out, why not go for the kill?

FlyingPig
05-23-2005, 09:25 PM
Thus Bat avg was proved to be irrelevant ;)


exactly

creek14
05-23-2005, 09:25 PM
I was thinking more "Starship Troopers".
In the spirit of the recent Star Wars opening, I concede to your idea.

But Javy V in that uni would look like the Michelin Man.

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 09:26 PM
In the spirit of the recent Star Wars opening, I concede to your idea.

But Javy V in that uni would look like the Michelin Man.

Well, that's very true.

DoogMinAmo
05-23-2005, 09:26 PM
or with a 4 run lead and only one out, why not go for the kill?

For some reason I just giggle when Griffey bunts. What, you don't want me to giggle?

http://www.tryonuniversity.com/misterT.jpg

Virginia Beach Reds
05-23-2005, 09:26 PM
I used to work in customer service so I'm able to translate Moron very well.

I can too...work in the insurance business. talk to 'em everyday.

Larkin411
05-23-2005, 09:27 PM
:laugh: I'm with ya!! I actually thought about that, but then, I attribute EVERYTHING that has gone wrong this season (pretty much EVERYTHING in general) to the fact that Barry Larkin isn't here anymore. :D

Yeah I stubbed my toe yesterday and thought, "If Larkin was still with the Reds this wouldn't have happened!" Just kidding but yeah a lot of the clubhouse nonsense I attribute to him being gone. Or maybe the way he departed was just a prelude to all the bluster and blundering coming from this organization.

The performance though I blame, as always, on the FO. Everyone knew the Reds were going to lose this year, all you had to do was run the numbers. But of course that's beyond the FO apparently. Not that I'm bitter :)

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:27 PM
I might have to change my mind about second best hair on the team. Dunn's got pretty good hair too.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 09:29 PM
Aww

I was about to make a "we need such and such more runs for Graves" joke..but I can't anymore :(

creek14
05-23-2005, 09:29 PM
Dunn's got pretty good hair too.
Phil, hon, have you considered new glasses?

Larkin411
05-23-2005, 09:29 PM
Aww

I was about to make a "we need such and such more runs for Graves" joke..but I can't anymore :(

Don't worry we still have lots of bad pitchers!

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:30 PM
Phil, hon, have you considered new glasses?

I got new ones a few months ago, and I still say Adam Dunn has pretty good hair.

Not Casey or Graves good, but pretty good.

creek14
05-23-2005, 09:30 PM
And for those who really want a game thread, it's 4 - 0 Reds in the top o' the 5th.

Sabo17
05-23-2005, 09:31 PM
Don't worry we still have lots of bad pitchers!

No way, What team are you watching. Dumping Danny Graves was the thing to put this team over the top. Didnt you know that. :help:

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:31 PM
And for those who really want a game thread, it's 4 - 0 Reds in the top o' the 5th.


wait, there's a game going on?

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 09:34 PM
If you have a star wars quote in your rep comment line..I probably gave it to you..just sayin ;)

SteelSD
05-23-2005, 09:34 PM
Wow. This Lopez kid stinks defensively. ;)

creek14
05-23-2005, 09:34 PM
wait, there's a game going on?
Well so far. As soon as Milton goes through the lineup for the 3rd time or we go to the bullpen it will turn into a slaughter.

FlyingPig
05-23-2005, 09:35 PM
And for those who really want a game thread, it's 4 - 0 Reds in the top o' the 5th.

4-0 with Milton on the mound???

Who..or what..lit a fire under his butt?

:eek:

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 09:36 PM
And for those who really want a game thread, it's 4 - 0 Reds in the top o' the 5th.

Just because I started a game thread didn't mean I was responsible for PBP, did it?

DoogMinAmo
05-23-2005, 09:36 PM
So with the threat of jinxing Milton permanently, I have to wonder...

5IP, 66 pitches- 47 strikes, 4Ks and 1 BB, and most importantly O runs/homers

Is this what we paid 9 mil for, or is it still early in the game?

Falls City Beer
05-23-2005, 09:36 PM
A funny nickname for Marlon Byrd is Marlon Turd. Hysterical!

creek14
05-23-2005, 09:37 PM
Just because I started a game thread didn't mean I was responsible for PBP, did it?
Each and every pitch.

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 09:38 PM
Mrs. Lindner is hot!

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 09:38 PM
LaRue catching fire

Look for Val to be catching the rest of the week

Matt700wlw
05-23-2005, 09:39 PM
Larue Homers!!

Who the heck are these guys???

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 09:39 PM
Each and every pitch.

Uh, LaRue just homered and the Reds lead it 5-0.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:39 PM
I think LaRue frosted his hair in honor of Graves tonight.

Virginia Beach Reds
05-23-2005, 09:41 PM
That just isn't fair. I wonder if Bergolla WANTS to be sent down to the minors. He's flat out exposed in the batters box.

As I type, he finally hits the ball to the left side of the infield.

DoogMinAmo
05-23-2005, 09:41 PM
I think LaRue frosted his hair in honor of Graves tonight.

Hey Phil, if you want, uhhh. I have a friend you might be interested in. Does hair for a living, great personality, not to bad on the eyes if you like that kind of thing.... Let me know if you want his digits? :evil:

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 09:41 PM
As the president of the Bergolla fan club, that was just ugly.

Reds Nd2
05-23-2005, 09:44 PM
Hey Phil, if you want, uhhh. I have a friend you might be interested in. Does hair for a living, great personality, not to bad on the eyes if you like that kind of thing.... Let me know if you want his digits? :evil:

Raisor Eye for the Red's Guy. :help:

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:45 PM
Hey Phil, if you want, uhhh. I have a friend you might be interested in. Does hair for a living, great personality, not to bad on the eyes if you like that kind of thing.... Let me know if you want his digits? :evil:

For the record, I am not, nor have I ever been gay.

That being said, I am comfortable enough in my own manhood to admire another man's taste in haircuts and (in JimBo's case) choice in pants.

Now THAT being said, I do have a non-sexual mancrush on Johnny Damon.

:evil:

DoogMinAmo
05-23-2005, 09:46 PM
Game note: As Freel grounds out to third to end the inning...

Any time I see on gameday that Freel grounds out to third base, I imagine it being a close out at first. Could someone indulge me if there is any truth to the assumption?

Sabo17
05-23-2005, 09:46 PM
Wow Milton pitching and it is 5-0 Redz after 5 innings. It must be a coincedence..

wally post
05-23-2005, 09:47 PM
We ned more because of Grav...oh, never mind.

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:47 PM
Puffy, since you're online and probably reading this. I think I need THE picture.

Thanks.

DoogMinAmo
05-23-2005, 09:47 PM
For the record, I am not, nor have I ever been gay.

That being said, I am comfortable enough in my own manhood to admire another man's taste in haircuts and (in JimBo's case) choice in pants.

Now THAT being said, I do have a non-sexual mancrush on Johnny Damon.

:evil:

Damon pre or post haircut? :p:

creek14
05-23-2005, 09:47 PM
Game note: As Freel grounds out to third to end the inning...

Any time I see on gameday that Freel grounds out to third base, I imagine it being a close out at first. Could someone indulge me if there is any truth to the assumption?
Yes, yes there is.

DoogMinAmo
05-23-2005, 09:49 PM
Yes, yes there is.

:thumbup:

Milton still cruising along... Man "we" shoulda dumped his buddy Graves a long time ago.

creek14
05-23-2005, 09:49 PM
For the record, I am not, nor have I ever been gay.

That being said, I am comfortable enough in my own manhood to admire another man's taste in haircuts and (in JimBo's case) choice in pants.

Now THAT being said, I do have a non-sexual mancrush on Johnny Damon.

:evil:
I am suddenly finding Phil even more desirable than usual.

If that's even possible.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 09:49 PM
I'm convinced Milton has been replaced by pods

RedlegJake
05-23-2005, 09:49 PM
Milton said he needed one good start to get untracked. Hope this is it. Even if untracked means a 4.95 era - anything under 5 looks really good to me nowadays.

creek14
05-23-2005, 09:49 PM
Milton has been through the lineup too many times.

KronoRed
05-23-2005, 09:50 PM
I'm convinced Milton has been replaced by pods

No I'm not..sorry nothing to see here

Matt700wlw
05-23-2005, 09:50 PM
There's a gopherball!!!

That's ok, though...

Raisor
05-23-2005, 09:50 PM
I am suddenly finding Phil even more desirable than usual.

If that's even possible.

Time for a ride on Space Mountain.