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BillyBeaneFan
05-24-2005, 10:20 PM
Tonight was the NBA Draft Lottery. I wanted to let all the conspiracy theorists out there know that the lowly Milwaukee Bucks won the lottery. Clearly, David Stern had a vested interest in putting the NBA's next superstar in the media center that is Milwaukee, Wisconsin. :)

FYI, the last time the Bucks had the number one, they took Glen "the Big Dog" Robinson out of Purdue. Here's hoping they can come up with another stud like Big Dog...you can never have enough me-first, one-dimensional scorers on a team.

That being said, I think the NBA Draft has replaced the NFL Draft as my favorite to watch. You can't put a price on watching these crazy foreign guys who paid to come to the draft privately climb down out of the rafters in the second round and shoot an evil glare at the world, then give a television interview in very bad English (read: Maciej "Magic Lamp" Lampe, New York Knicks, 2003; one of the few times I've ever seen New York fans cheer in a draft setting).

Here's the fully story on the lottery:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/news/story?id=2067752

Unassisted
05-25-2005, 12:41 AM
FYI, the last time the Bucks had the number one, they took Glen "the Big Dog" Robinson out of Purdue. Here's hoping they can come up with another stud like Big Dog...you can never have enough me-first, one-dimensional scorers on a team."Big Dog" is on the playoff roster for the team in my city that appears after tonight to be a lock for the Finals. He's a role-player who's fitting in nicely down here. That might be some bitter irony for the Bucks if he ends up with a ring this year.

BillyBeaneFan
05-25-2005, 02:04 AM
There's no denying the guy has been a productive player...he's had numerous years with 20+ PPG. But off the top of my head, I would say the Spurs represent his farthest advance ever into the playoffs...and he is more of a role player now than ever before.

I'm not trying to take away from Robinson. He's had a solid career and made a lot of money doing it. But was it worth the #1 pick?

Mutaman
05-25-2005, 02:26 AM
I'm a Bucks fan and Robinson was pretty much a wasted draft choice for a number one pick. He was a tweener who had a nice shot from 15 feet but thats it. He cannot dribble and he cannot handle the ball. Not much of a rebounder. And , no defense. While in Milwaukee, he did help them get to the conference finals but that was more Ray Allen's doing than Glenn's. A big disapointment. Hopefully they will do better this time. However don't forget their first number one pick back in the 60s when they won a coin flip. Some guy named Alcindor.

Ibleedblue
05-25-2005, 05:23 AM
I feel bad for Bucks fans if they pick Bogut. He has bust written all over him.

Steve4192
05-25-2005, 07:21 AM
I feel bad for Bucks fans if they pick Bogut. He has bust written all over him.
Agreed. I think he's going to make Michael Olowakandi look like a superstar.

Blimpie
05-25-2005, 08:22 AM
I feel bad for Bucks fans if they pick Bogut. He has bust written all over him.I was kinda hoping that Tubby Smith game-planned Bogut straight out of the Top 5 in his last college game. :)

WVRed
05-25-2005, 09:02 AM
Top 3 picks-
1.Milwaukee-Andrew Bogut(C-Utah)
2.Atlanta-Marvin Williams(SF-UNC)
3.Portland-Chris Paul(PG-Wake)

15fan
05-25-2005, 09:10 AM
Role players really don't deserve nicknames like Big Dog.

Lucky for him he got the chance to hook up with a Tim Duncan team.

Here's hoping TD & Co finish off the Suns quickly so that #21 can get some rest for his ankle before the Finals.

GoReds
05-25-2005, 09:11 AM
The Bobcats have two picks in the first (#6 and #13) that they are hoping to use to move up and take Marvin Williams.

Danny Serafini
05-25-2005, 09:21 AM
As a Hawks fan (yes, there are a few of us left) I'd be thrilled if Bogut slides to #2. I don't see him as a bust, I think he's going to be for real. And they desperately need a center, surprising as it may be Jason Collier isn't exactly the answer. Chris Paul would be a nice consolation prize though, since the point is their next biggest need. What they do not need is Marvin Williams, I will hit the roof if they pick him. Please Milwaukee, do me a favor and remove the temptation for the front office!

Steve4192
05-25-2005, 09:24 AM
Top 3 picks-
1.Milwaukee-Andrew Bogut(C-Utah)
2.Atlanta-Marvin Williams(SF-UNC)
3.Portland-Chris Paul(PG-Wake)
I'd avoid Bogut and Illinois guard Deron Williams like the plague.

Bogut has some very good offensive skills, but looks stiff and will get schooled by NBA big men who are bigger, stronger, quicker and more experienced. He'll get poster-ized with regularity by guys coming in from the wing. Williams kinda reminds me of Mateen Cleaves, a guy who dominated college ball by overpowering opposing point guards. In the NBA, he won't be able to overpower bigger/stronger guys, and he'll be seriously outclassed in the speed/quickness department on defense.

IMO, the two best guys in the draft are Marvin Williams and Chris Paul. However, in the case of Paul, there aren't a whole lot of 5'11" guys who have carved out big-time NBA careers. Paul will end up as a quality player, but he will be a defensive liability and might be best suited to being a sparkplug off the bench. Net, If I were the Bucks GM, I'd jump all over Marvin Williams.

Steve4192
05-25-2005, 09:31 AM
The Bobcats have two picks in the first (#6 and #13) that they are hoping to use to move up and take Marvin Williams.
I don't think #6 and #13 are going to be enough to snag Marvin Williams. Honestly, the Bobcats are in a good position with their current picks. They need depth just as badly as they need an offensive go-to guy. If Chris Paul slips (due to his height), they might get a go-to guy and still have #13 to use for depth.

15fan
05-25-2005, 09:47 AM
IMO, the two best guys in the draft are Marvin Williams and Chris Paul. However, in the case of Paul, there aren't a whole lot of 5'11" guys who have carved out big-time NBA careers. Paul will end up as a quality player, but he will be a defensive liability and might be best suited to being a sparkplug off the bench.

You do realize that Paul led the ACC in steals per game (2.38) this year, right?

(By comparison, Felton was at 2.00 and Jarrett Jack was 1.81)

Paul also led the ACC in Assists / Turnovers, at 2.38.

(Felton was 1.93, and Jack was 1.32).

At 5'11", Chris will have issues with bigger guards posting him up. But his quick hands, quick feet, and ability to get off the ground (he can dunk) will allow him to be a solid defender in the NBA, IMO.

Steve4192
05-25-2005, 09:59 AM
At 5'11", Chris will have issues with bigger guards posting him up. But his quick hands, quick feet, and ability to get off the ground (he can dunk) will allow him to be a solid defender in the NBA, IMO.
I love Chris Paul, and I realize that he has good hands & quickness, but he will have matchup problems on defense every time down the court. He'll be a pest on defense, but more often than not he'll get isolated in a mismatch and give up a high percentage shot. Allan Iverson is always among the NBA leaders in steals, but teams gameplan to go right at him every night. The same thing will happen with Chris Paul. The big question is, will his offensive skills and the occasional steal offset his defensive shortcomings? I think they will, but not to the point where he becomes a star.

I think Paul could be a huge asset to a championship level team as the first guard off the bench. Unfortunately, he'll probably end up as a good offense / poor defense starter who puts up big numbers while playing big minutes for a bad team. IMO, he's a lot closer to Jason Terry than he is to the Answer.

LincolnparkRed
05-25-2005, 10:45 AM
I think Chris Paul and Ben Gordon are pretty similar so you should look at how gordon had hot and cold nights like all rookies do but I imagine their pro careers are going to be pretty similar. Paul will have more steals but Gordon maybe the better shooter.

Steve4192
05-25-2005, 11:00 AM
I think Chris Paul and Ben Gordon are pretty similar so you should look at how gordon had hot and cold nights like all rookies do but I imagine their pro careers are going to be pretty similar. Paul will have more steals but Gordon maybe the better shooter.
I agree their games are similar, but at 6'3" 200 pounds Gordon is a lot bigger and stronger than the 5'11" 175 pound Paul. Gordon also had the advantage of being able to play off the ball with an stud PG (Hinrich) setting him up. Paul will have to play with the ball and generate his own scoring opportunities.

Ibleedblue
05-25-2005, 04:44 PM
As a Hawks fan (yes, there are a few of us left) I'd be thrilled if Bogut slides to #2. I don't see him as a bust, I think he's going to be for real. And they desperately need a center, surprising as it may be Jason Collier isn't exactly the answer. Chris Paul would be a nice consolation prize though, since the point is their next biggest need. What they do not need is Marvin Williams, I will hit the roof if they pick him. Please Milwaukee, do me a favor and remove the temptation for the front office!Let's see what you think in 3 years when Bogut is riding the pine like Darko and Williams is schooling the entire league.

WVRed
05-25-2005, 04:54 PM
The player I like in this draft is Gerald Green. 6'8 SG who is freakishly athletic, reminds me a lot of Tracy McGrady. He would be a nice consolation prize for the Bobcats since I doubt they will get Marvin Williams, but I think they will go the college route again and select Deron Williams.

Count me in the Bogut will be a bust category. He doesnt impress me as a physical specimen, and he got his stats playing in the Mountain West. He might have a future as a PF if used in that role, but I doubt it.

If im Charlotte, I would take Green at 5 and maybe hope Martell Webster falls to 13.

Ibleedblue
05-25-2005, 05:00 PM
I think the sleeper of the draft will be Hakim Warrick. He could do some major damage if he goes to a fastbreak team. He would be deadly for the Nets, Celtics, Suns, etc. Not saying he will ever be a star, but he could give some instant help to a team.

Of course, whoever picks Chuck Hayes will be getting the best player in the draft. :D

BillyBeaneFan
05-25-2005, 05:56 PM
I'd avoid Bogut and Illinois guard Deron Williams like the plague.

Bogut has some very good offensive skills, but looks stiff and will get schooled by NBA big men who are bigger, stronger, quicker and more experienced. He'll get poster-ized with regularity by guys coming in from the wing. Williams kinda reminds me of Mateen Cleaves, a guy who dominated college ball by overpowering opposing point guards. In the NBA, he won't be able to overpower bigger/stronger guys, and he'll be seriously outclassed in the speed/quickness department on defense.

I agree about Bogut. He seems soft to me and in the NBA, he won't be able to just out-big people anymore. He does have a nice shot, but that's about all I really like.

I disagree strongly with your Deron Williams assessment, though. This guy is a freak. He's got great size, he'll be able to post a lot of guards up, and he has great floor vision. And it isn't like he can't shoot.

Danny Serafini
05-26-2005, 10:04 AM
Let's see what you think in 3 years when Bogut is riding the pine like Darko and Williams is schooling the entire league.

You are nuts if you think Bogut is anything like Darko. Darko may well go down as the worst draft pick in NBA history. That was a guy who had accomplished nothing, he was just picked because he was really young and really tall, so maybe he'll develop into something. Oops. Bogut's already shown he's a skilled player. He could use a little meat on his bones, but he's got talent.

I should point out part of my not wanting Marvin Williams has to do with positions. The one spot the Hawks do have some talent at is forward, they have much bigger needs than to draft another one. Having said that, I'd be a little more impressed with Marvin had he actually been at least able to crack the starting lineup in college.

Ibleedblue
05-26-2005, 05:04 PM
If you think him not starting is a reason not to draft him, then you obviously shouldn't be evaluating talent.

If you saw the UK/Utah game you wouldn't want to touch bogut with a ten foot pole.

Danny Serafini
05-26-2005, 07:39 PM
Sorry, bench players just don't excite me. That's the problem with the NBA draft, way too many real young players get picked based off of what they might do, not what they can do. Kwame Brown was supposed to become a great player. Oops. Darko was supposed to develop into a star. Oops. It's like Gerald Green. Everyone raves about his physical ability. He's got the perfect body. One slight problem, he doesn't really know how to play. I'd rather have someone who can actually contribute now. Even when a young guy develops, it takes so long. Look at Jermaine O'Neal. Great player, did absolutely nothing for a couple of years in Portland. By the time he was becoming worthwhile he was already approaching free agency. All Portland did was train him for the Pacers. I'd rather draft someone who can play (and Bogut can play), and sign the Marvin Williams of the world, the ones that pan out, after someone else has done the development work and been saddled with a couple years of unproductivity.

Marvin Williams is supposed to be good. Maybe he will be. I'll let someone else spent three years figuring that out.