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RedsIn07
05-27-2005, 07:15 PM
Starting Lineups
No. Cincinnati
1 Ryan Freel, 2B
2 Felipe Lopez, SS
3 Ken Griffey Jr., CF
4 Austin Kearns, RF
5 Adam Dunn, 1B
6 Joe Randa, 3B
7 Jacob Cruz, LF
8 Javier Valentin, C
9 Ramon Ortiz, P


No. Pittsburgh
1 Matt Lawton, RF
2 Tike Redman, CF
3 Jason Bay, LF
4 Daryle Ward, 1B
5 Rob Mackowiak, 3B
6 Jose Castillo, 2B
7 Freddy Sanchez, SS
8 David Ross, C
9 Josh Fogg, P

So-so lineup for the players used, still don't understand why Dunn is playing at 1st and Cruz is playing in LF and not the opposite.
Wish Miley would switch Dunn And Griffey in the batting order.

kbrake
05-27-2005, 07:18 PM
Much better then last night, too bad this game isnt on TV.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 07:19 PM
Better lineup then last night :D

Freel and Lopez should be permanently in the top 2 spots and at 2nd and SS

westofyou
05-27-2005, 07:19 PM
still don't understand why Dunn is playing at 1st and Cruz is playing in LF and not the opposite.

Dunn is obviously the backup 1st baseman, if Casey can't play it looks like Dunn gets slid to 1st. The more difficult position and one he'll most likely end up at sooner than later.

Marc D
05-27-2005, 07:25 PM
I like Randa and all but simply not enough protection for our best offensive player. Dunn consistentily hitting 5th this year should be the number one thing people remember when they start trying to defend Miley after he's fired.

Silverback
05-27-2005, 07:31 PM
I like Randa and all but simply not enough protection for our best offensive player. Dunn consistentily hitting 5th this year should be the number one thing people remember when they start trying to defend Miley after he's fired.

I don't think a player of Dunn's caliber should need any protection. But I think he should be higher in the lineup to due to his OBP, and let others drive HIM in. If he's getting pitched around, and seriously, who on this team would pitchers fear enough that they would pitch to Dunn to get to, then logically he should be higher in the order.

steig
05-27-2005, 07:38 PM
I like Dunn batting 5th, he strikes out to much to bat 3rd. Griffey strikes out a lot but not as much as Dunn. I prefer the higher chance of putting the ball in play if you have 1 out and 1 man on.

djsauter
05-27-2005, 07:38 PM
Looks good. Compared to last nights lineup, this looks like an all-star cast.

Should be a win...

RedsIn07
05-27-2005, 07:42 PM
In 52.1 IP against the Reds Fogg has a 3.61 ERA
Ortiz has never faced the Pirates
The only Pirate with an AB against him is Lawton who is 4 for 14 against him


Some Reds Batters vs Josh Fogg (Career)

Player AB H HR BB SO AVG
Griffey 12 4 2 2 1 .333
Freel 9 3 0 0 0 .333
Dunn 16 5 2 2 2 .313

RedsMan3203
05-27-2005, 07:45 PM
Yeah -- Last night line up was... (gulps) almost a triple A lineup.

I was realllly happy with what happend last night... Got some runs off a decent pitcher... O'well..


Lets go get em.

Marc D
05-27-2005, 07:48 PM
I don't think a player of Dunn's caliber should need any protection. But I think he should be higher in the lineup to due to his OBP, and let others drive HIM in. If he's getting pitched around, and seriously, who on this team would pitchers fear enough that they would pitch to Dunn to get to, then logically he should be higher in the order.

He should be batting 3rd if for no other reason than the extra 50 or so AB's he's pick up every year. Also, even though he has no one of equal "scariness" on this team to protect him, letting him get AB's with men on base and 2 or 3 above average hitters behind him gives opponents a lot more of a problem with walking him than Randa and 2 automatic outs after that imo.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 07:48 PM
Putting the ball in play can lead to double plays

Just sayin

Aronchis
05-27-2005, 07:58 PM
Getting the Lizard out of the starting rotation will mean less of Valentin, trading/axing Ortiz will mean even less of Valentin. Good ;)

RedsIn07
05-27-2005, 08:02 PM
I like Dunn batting 5th, he strikes out to much to bat 3rd. Griffey strikes out a lot but not as much as Dunn. I prefer the higher chance of putting the ball in play if you have 1 out and 1 man on.

The problem may be that putting the ball in play may result in a Double Play Griffey has Grounded Out 41 times this year vs. Dunn Grounding Out 28 times. And we have seen that many off Griffey's groundouts are capable of being turned for a Double Play (as are Dunn's but Dunn Grounds out less).

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:10 PM
First pitch strike... time to play some ball.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:11 PM
Lawton pops out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:12 PM
Redman strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:13 PM
Bay flies out. 3 outs.

Good start by Ortiz.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:16 PM
Freel grounds out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:17 PM
F. Lopez grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:19 PM
Griffey flies out. 3 outs.

No score After the 1st Inning

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:23 PM
Ward flies out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:26 PM
Mackowiak strikes out. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:27 PM
Castillo flies out. 3 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:31 PM
Kearns lines out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:31 PM
Dunn grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:33 PM
Randa hits a ground ball but reaches on a throwing error.
Randa is on 2B.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:34 PM
Cruz grounds out. 3 outs.

No score after 2 Innings.

RedsIn07
05-27-2005, 08:36 PM
Thanks for the play by play CTA

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:36 PM
Sanchez singles.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:38 PM
Ross singles.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:39 PM
Fogg bunts, Ortiz gets it and throws to 3B for the force out. 1 out.

LexingtonRedsFan
05-27-2005, 08:40 PM
Nice defense by ortiz! :beerme:

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:42 PM
Lawton grounds into a force at 2B. Runners at 1st & 3B. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:43 PM
Lawton steals 2B.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:44 PM
Redman strikes out. 3 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:48 PM
Valentin strikes out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:49 PM
Ortiz grounds out. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:50 PM
Freel flies out. 3 outs.

No score after 3 Innings.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:53 PM
Bay singles.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:55 PM
Ward singles.

CrackerJack
05-27-2005, 08:56 PM
Thanks for PBP here too...

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:56 PM
Mackowiak homers.

3-0 Pirates.... :/

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:57 PM
Castillo doubles.

Aronchis
05-27-2005, 08:58 PM
If I was Ramon, I would ask to be moved into the bullpen so I could raise my value for a July trade. He isn't going to do it in the rotation.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:58 PM
Sanchez grounds out, Castillo to 3B. 1 out.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 08:59 PM
Ross flies out, Kearns throws runner out at home. 3 outs.

Gallen5862
05-27-2005, 09:01 PM
Thanks for the play by play my internet connection keeps coming and going. Mainly going. did we make a pitching change?

RedsIn07
05-27-2005, 09:01 PM
Nice Job by Kearns!

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:03 PM
F. Lopez doubles.

CalSean
05-27-2005, 09:04 PM
We are so sad. FeLo was the first Reds hit right?

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:04 PM
F. Lopez goes to 3B on passed ball.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:05 PM
Griffey singles, 1 run scores.

3-1 Pirates.

penantboundreds
05-27-2005, 09:05 PM
Griff :D

RedsIn07
05-27-2005, 09:05 PM
Lopez extends his hitting streak

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:05 PM
We are so sad. FeLo was the first Reds hit right?

Yes it was the 1st hit for the Reds tonight.

Aronchis
05-27-2005, 09:07 PM
Much like Ortiz, the talent challenged Fogg struggles the second time through.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:08 PM
Kearns flies out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:09 PM
Dunn singles, Griffey to 3B.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:10 PM
Randa pops out. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:11 PM
Cruz grounds out. 3 outs.

3-1 Pirates after 4 Innings.

Aronchis
05-27-2005, 09:12 PM
Come on Randa :angry: . Another dissappointing,unfullfilled Reds inning.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:14 PM
Fogg bunts, thrown out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:15 PM
Lawton singles.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:20 PM
Redman pops out. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:22 PM
Lawton thrown out stealing. 3 outs.

Freel & Lawton collide, but Freel hangs onto the ball.

CaiGuy
05-27-2005, 09:26 PM
First we don't enough positions for all of our good positional players, and now we have Cruz starting. :rolleyes:

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:26 PM
Valentin homers!!!!!!!!

3-2 Pirates.

CaiGuy
05-27-2005, 09:27 PM
Valentin homers!!!!!!!!
:beerme: Good!!!!

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:27 PM
Oritz grounds out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:28 PM
Freel flies out. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:30 PM
F. Lopez singles.

Aronchis
05-27-2005, 09:30 PM
LOL. Fogg may need to see a Shrink after getting Johnson'd by Valentin.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:31 PM
LOL. Fogg may need to see a Shrink after getting Johnson'd by Valentin.

lol and it sounds like it wasnt even a good homerun.

it hit the top of the wall and went over. :evil:

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:32 PM
Griffey walks.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:33 PM
Fogg is over 80 pitches.

CaiGuy
05-27-2005, 09:34 PM
it hit the top of the wall and went over. :evil:Whatever works! :thumbup:

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:36 PM
Kearns strikes out. 3 outs.

3-2 Pirates after 5 Innings.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:38 PM
Bay singles.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:42 PM
Ward grounds into double play. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:44 PM
Mackowiak walks.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:45 PM
Castillo grounds out. 3 outs.

Aronchis
05-27-2005, 09:46 PM
Ramon somehow, someway squirts out a QS even though he gets hit around like a banjo. Even Danny Graves luck ran out Ramon ;)

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:47 PM
Ramon somehow, someway squirts out a QS even though he gets hit around like a banjo. Even Danny Graves luck ran out Ramon ;)

lol hes getting hit like crazy, but has less pitches than Fogg.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:48 PM
Dunn Homers!!!!!!!!!!!!

3-3 Tie Game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:48 PM
Randa doubles.

*edit* Marty says you can tell Randas foot is still hurting, because hes not running well.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:50 PM
Cruz doubles, 1 run scores!!!!

4-3 Reds

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:52 PM
Fogg pulled, Grabow coming in.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:54 PM
Valentin singles, 1 run scores.

5-3 Reds. :)

CalSean
05-27-2005, 09:55 PM
Yippee Skipee

CrackerJack
05-27-2005, 09:56 PM
Yippee Skipee


George is that you?

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:58 PM
Ortiz bunts, force at 2B. 1 out.

KySteveH
05-27-2005, 09:58 PM
Is anyone listening to the radio broadcast? I seldom listen to Marty, and this is why. Who gives a crap about this Cardenas thing anyway? He's been talking about it for over an hour!

CTA513
05-27-2005, 09:59 PM
Freel grounds into a double play. 3 outs.

5-3 Reds after 6 Innings.

Gallen5862
05-27-2005, 10:00 PM
Hey maybe ortiz can get a win out of this! He at least settled down enough to give us some innings to help save the pen.

RedsIn07
05-27-2005, 10:01 PM
Ortiz at 85 pitches going into the 7th

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:01 PM
Mercker warming up.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:02 PM
Sanchez singles.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:04 PM
Ross strikes out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:05 PM
Bobby Hill pinch hitting for Grabow.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:08 PM
Hill reaches on a pop fly that should have been caught.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:10 PM
Ortiz pulled, Mercker coming in to pitch.

howyoufreelin
05-27-2005, 10:12 PM
Mercker is horrible with inherited runners.

TOBTTReds
05-27-2005, 10:12 PM
How many times do balls drop in front of Griffey because no one calls it??? This happens quite a bit (not saying it is always Jr's. fault, but recent memory has a couple between he and Dunn, one with Wily Mo in houston, and one with Cruz too, and now this)

TOBTTReds
05-27-2005, 10:12 PM
Double Play!

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:12 PM
Lawton grounds into a double play. 3 outs.

:) !!!!!

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:14 PM
Ortiz tonight:
6.1 IP 10H 3ER 1BB 4SO

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:15 PM
Torres in to pitch for the Pirates.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:15 PM
F. Lopez grounds out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:16 PM
Griffey flies out. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:18 PM
Kearns grounds out. 3 outs.

5-3 Reds after 7 Innings.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:22 PM
Wigginton strikes out. 1 out

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:22 PM
Bay doubles.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:23 PM
Ward flies out, Bay to 3B. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:26 PM
Mackowiak strikes out. 3 outs.


:) :) :) !!

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:29 PM
Dunn walks.

howyoufreelin
05-27-2005, 10:30 PM
Wagner coming in to close it out?

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:31 PM
Randa grounds in to a double play. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:32 PM
Wagner coming in to close it out?

He was warming up last inning, so I would have to guess that he would be.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:34 PM
Kearns flies out. 3 outs.

5-3 Reds after 8 Innings.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:36 PM
Wagner to pitch the 9th.

Romano replaces Cruz in LF.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:38 PM
Castillo singles.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:39 PM
Sanchez doubles. Runners at 2nd & 3rd.

:/

howyoufreelin
05-27-2005, 10:39 PM
Uh Oh.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:41 PM
Ross hits a ground ball, and Freel throws the ball away.

5-5 tie game.

:/ :/ :/

Aronchis
05-27-2005, 10:41 PM
Wagner on a bad night, you know what that means. Gravesesque beatings. Though with defense like Freel showed, whew bud.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:41 PM
Jack Wilson pitch hitting for the pitcher.

redsrule2500
05-27-2005, 10:43 PM
Something has to be affecting this team physcolgoically (sp) to have so many bad luck 9th innings. It's crazy~!

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:43 PM
Wilson bunts, Ross to 3B. 1 out.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:45 PM
Lawton hits the ball right in front of the plant, Valentin throws Lawton out at 1st. 2 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:47 PM
Wagner better get Wigginton out so he doesnt have to face Bay.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:48 PM
Wigginton strikes out. 3 outs.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:51 PM
Gonzalez to pitch the 9th for the Pirates.

PickOff
05-27-2005, 10:51 PM
I'm sure Ortiz is happy. Too bad he didn't get the win for that effort, but nice rebound by Wagner. Was he charged one or two runs because of Freel's error?

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:51 PM
Valentin strikes out. 1 out.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:52 PM
Romano doubles!!

CalSean
05-27-2005, 10:53 PM
Way to go Romano. Woot Woot!!!!

TC81190
05-27-2005, 10:53 PM
Ryan, you can redeem yourself right here...

CalSean
05-27-2005, 10:53 PM
Lets see if Mr. Freel is clutch

PickOff
05-27-2005, 10:54 PM
Romano has got some wheels.

CalSean
05-27-2005, 10:54 PM
No do not walk!! I cant believe Pitts isnt putting him on first.

TC81190
05-27-2005, 10:55 PM
Bad throw!!

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:55 PM
Freel gets an infield hit!

Runners at 1st & 3rd.

CalSean
05-27-2005, 10:55 PM
uh oh. Double play is now set up

TC81190
05-27-2005, 10:55 PM
C'mon Felipe.

Suicide squeeze.

CalSean
05-27-2005, 10:56 PM
Lets Go FeLo.

howyoufreelin
05-27-2005, 10:56 PM
I'm sure Ortiz is happy. Too bad he didn't get the win for that effort, but nice rebound by Wagner. Was he charged one or two runs because of Freel's error?

1ER per Marty

TC81190
05-27-2005, 10:56 PM
...No Felipe...No...

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:58 PM
Reds Win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TC81190
05-27-2005, 10:58 PM
REDS WIN!!! Ground ball SS, run scores!!

CalSean
05-27-2005, 10:58 PM
Yes sireeeee!!!!!!!

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:58 PM
thank you Romano for being fast!!!!!!!!!!!

howyoufreelin
05-27-2005, 10:58 PM
Romano has some wheels! This one belongs to the Reds!!!!

RedsIn07
05-27-2005, 10:58 PM
That was scary

CTA513
05-27-2005, 10:59 PM
Felipe Lopez reaches on a fielder's choice, fielded by shortstop Freddy Sanchez. Jason Romano scores. Ryan Freel to 2nd.

Reds Win 6-5

The Baumer
05-27-2005, 10:59 PM
Felipe comes through, Rich Aurillia style.

howyoufreelin
05-27-2005, 11:17 PM
Felipe comes through, Rich Aurillia style.
:laugh: