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pedro
05-27-2005, 07:32 PM
Pittsburgh
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
M. Lawton rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263
T. Redman cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .227
J. Bay lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .281
D. Ward 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263
R. Mackow. 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .347
J. Castillo 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .301
F. Sanchez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .262
D. Ross c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .217
J. Fogg p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .133
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
R. Freel 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .322
F. Lopez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .305
K. Griffey cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .253
A. Kearns rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .255
A. Dunn 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .243
J. Randa 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .288
J. Cruz lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
J. Valentin c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .174
R. Ortiz p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

SirFelixCat
05-27-2005, 07:41 PM
Would love to see Jr and Dunn swapped, but otherwise, hard to argue here. Go get'em boys! This is on EI tonight correct?

Joseph
05-27-2005, 07:45 PM
Valentin again? Ugghhh.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 07:47 PM
Valentin the new Castro..at least he's not batting 2nd

traderumor
05-27-2005, 07:52 PM
I can't even think of an intangible, real or imagined, that would cause me to have Valentin on my roster, much less play him other than when I absolutely had to. :angry:

smith288
05-27-2005, 07:57 PM
Valentin has a porno stache.... THats all that needs to be said. ;)

Mitri
05-27-2005, 07:57 PM
He's caught every Ortiz start, correct? These should be his only starts really.

TRF
05-27-2005, 08:04 PM
Didn't LaRue take one on the hand the other day? might have something to do with it.

TRF
05-27-2005, 08:09 PM
Would love to see Jr and Dunn swapped, but otherwise, hard to argue here. Go get'em boys! This is on EI tonight correct?

You working tonight or at home?

Virginia Beach Reds
05-27-2005, 08:12 PM
not on EI tonight :(

OnBaseMachine
05-27-2005, 08:15 PM
Ortiz sends the Pirates down in order.

Ortiz comes into the game with a 1.83 WHIP. Only 14 strikeouts in 30 innings.

OnBaseMachine
05-27-2005, 08:20 PM
Freel and Lopez groundout.

Griffey gets ahead 2-0, fouls off what would have been ball 3, take a ball down, and flies out to Bay.

Inning over.

westofyou
05-27-2005, 08:20 PM
not on EI tonight :(

Directv 738

Edskin
05-27-2005, 08:26 PM
Wait, I have EI on digital cable and it's nowhere to be found-- anyone else having this problem?

Virginia Beach Reds
05-27-2005, 08:27 PM
Wait, I have EI on digital cable and it's nowhere to be found-- anyone else having this problem?

Yep, not on dig cable tonight.

westofyou
05-27-2005, 08:27 PM
Wait, I have EI on digital cable and it's nowhere to be found-- anyone else having this problem?

Pedro said he wasn't getting it on his cable.

Matt700wlw
05-27-2005, 08:27 PM
It's blacked out locally in Cincy...but that's nothing new

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 08:28 PM
Aren't MLB blackout rules great? ;)

Matt700wlw
05-27-2005, 08:33 PM
Aren't MLB blackout rules great? ;)

I love them.

OnBaseMachine
05-27-2005, 08:33 PM
Kearns get robbed of a hit from Sanchez.

Bat atbat from Dunn. Go back to your patient approach. Took the first 2 pitches for balls and then tried to pull a pitch down and away and hit a weak grounder to 2nd. Reminded me of a Casey atbat.

Dunn OBP has dropped from from .440 to .405 in the last week and a half.

Joseph
05-27-2005, 08:33 PM
He's caught every Ortiz start, correct? These should be his only starts really.

Most, but not all. I understand catching Ramirez since he speaks no english, but Ortiz speaks some english so there's no reason not to start LaRue unless he is hurting. His bat at least has a pulse lately.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 08:35 PM
Kearns get robbed of a hit from Sanchez.

Bat atbat from Dunn. Go back to your patient approach. Took the first 2 pitches for balls and then tried to pull a pitch down and away and hit a weak grounder to 2nd. Reminded me of a Casey atbat.

Dunn OBP has dropped from from .440 to .405 in the last week and a half.

It's the chair

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 08:42 PM
Fogg lays down a great bunt but Randa stayed back on it. Ortiz was like a cat off the mound to get the force at 3rd. :thumbup:

OnBaseMachine
05-27-2005, 08:44 PM
It's the chair

Yep. You can tell it has really messed him up.

Adam Dunn-post chair theft

.083/.267/.083-.350 OPS

;)

Big Klu
05-27-2005, 08:52 PM
Ortiz gets out of the inning, then the Reds go down in order. Pirates batting in top of 4th.

Big Klu
05-27-2005, 08:55 PM
I have lost the radio broadcast, so I don't know what's happening now. Sorry everyone.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 08:56 PM
Mackowiak homers 3-0 Pirates.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 08:57 PM
Castillo follows that with a double. Ortiz has given up 4 staight hits this inning.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 08:58 PM
Sanchez grounds out and Castillo goes to 3rd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 08:59 PM
Ross flies out to right and Kearns throws the runner out at the plate!

OnBaseMachine
05-27-2005, 08:59 PM
Wow! What a throw by Kearns to nail Castillo at the plate!

westofyou
05-27-2005, 09:00 PM
That was the Al Kaline quality they mentioned about Kearns. Beautiful throw, in the air right to the dish.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:03 PM
Lopez doubles to right center to lead off the inning.

TeamCasey
05-27-2005, 09:04 PM
Anyone getting this on TV?

OnBaseMachine
05-27-2005, 09:04 PM
Lopez works the count to 3-2 before stroking a double to the gap.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:04 PM
Lopez goes to 3rd on a passed ball.

OnBaseMachine
05-27-2005, 09:04 PM
Anyone getting this on TV?

I'm watching on FSN Pittsburgh.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:05 PM
Junior singles in the run. 3-1.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:05 PM
Anyone getting this on TV?
It is not televised locally.

westofyou
05-27-2005, 09:07 PM
Anyone getting this on TV?
Yep and it's 90 degrees out and the sun won't go down for 5 more hours.

TeamCasey
05-27-2005, 09:07 PM
Thanks guys. Looks like I'm relying on you and Stewart tonight. :)

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:08 PM
Kearns flies out to center. 1 out.

smith288
05-27-2005, 09:08 PM
Is it me or is Lopez the only one who seems to be consistently raking this year?

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 09:08 PM
If Jr can get to 3rd..Dunn can get that sac fly :D

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:09 PM
Dunn lines a single to right. 1st and 3rd with one out.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 09:09 PM
Come on Joe :D

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:10 PM
Randa pops out to short. 2 outs.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 09:10 PM
Randa with no sac fly.

Trade him! ;)

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:11 PM
Cruz grounds out to 3rd. 3-1 Pirates after 4.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:14 PM
Fogg attempts to reach on a bunt and Randa throws him out. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:15 PM
Lawton singles.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:21 PM
Redman pops out to short. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:22 PM
Larue throws the runner out attempting to steal. 3-1 Pirates mid 5th.

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 09:23 PM
Not sure what Lawton was thinking but he was "out from here to there" and didn't even bother sliding.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:26 PM
Valentin homers to right. 3-2.

TeamCasey
05-27-2005, 09:26 PM
WTG Valentin

Joseph
05-27-2005, 09:27 PM
Just like I said early on in this thread, Valentin is was a good choice to play tonight. :)

SteelSD
05-27-2005, 09:27 PM
Not sure what Lawton was thinking but he was "out from here to there" and didn't even bother sliding.

If that was me out there instead of Lopez, I might have just clocked Lawton...and not with a stopwatch if you catch my meaning.

I had that happen to me in a ballgame while fielding 2nd. Runner didn't bother to slide and I took a knee to the face because of it.

Didja' know that you can't get a cast to re-set a broken cheekbone? I didn't.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:28 PM
Ortiz grounds out to the catcher. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:29 PM
Freel flies out to the warning track in right. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:30 PM
Lopez singles to right.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:32 PM
Junior walks. 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

Boss-Hog
05-27-2005, 09:35 PM
Marty just called JimBo "leatherpants".

Hi Marty!

;)

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 09:36 PM
Marty stealing stuff from us :rant:



;)

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:36 PM
Kearns strikes out looking. 3-2 Pirates after 5.

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 09:36 PM
If that was me out there instead of Lopez, I might have just clocked Lawton...and not with a stopwatch if you catch my meaning.

I had that happen to me in a ballgame while fielding 2nd. Runner didn't bother to slide and I took a knee to the face because of it.

Didja' know that you can't get a cast to re-set a broken cheekbone? I didn't.

Didn't know that Steel, hope I never find out. That was just a strange play and then I had to step out so I missed the replay but thats how people get hurt.

Did you see Lopez's throw earlier sail high on Freel? Freel's just lucky he didn't get hurt when Sanchez slid into him. Looked like he rolled up Freel's leg.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:38 PM
Bay leads off with a single to center.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:42 PM
Ward grounds into a 4-6-3 double play.

SteelSD
05-27-2005, 09:42 PM
Didn't know that Steel, hope I never find out. That was just a strange play and then I had to step out so I missed the replay but thats how people get hurt.

Did you see Lopez's throw earlier sail high on Freel? Freel's just lucky he didn't get hurt when Sanchez slid into him. Looked like he rolled up Freel's leg.

Yeah. I can more understand contact like that when a guy's trying to break up a DP with a slide. But it looked to me that Lawton knew he was going to be out and just chose to avoid sliding in order to see if contact would cause Lopez to drop the ball.

Now, that's fine if it's the Catcher you're barrelling into. There's at least an expectation of contact in those situations. But Lopez was completely unprotected. I guess we'll never know for sure, but having experienced the worst-case result personally, it looked like a pretty dirty play.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:44 PM
Mackowiak walks.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 09:45 PM
Retrosheet gets the coveted Marty time :lol:

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:45 PM
Castillo grounds out to short. 3-2 Pirates mid 6th.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 09:48 PM
Dunn ties it up! :D :D :D :D

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:48 PM
Dunn homers to left center. Tie game 3-3!!

Ravenlord
05-27-2005, 09:48 PM
Dunn homers:beerme:

SteelSD
05-27-2005, 09:48 PM
Mr. Baseball...meet Mr. Adam Dunn. BANG!

<Edit> My bad. I shouldn't be happy about another of Dunn's "worthless" solo Home Runs. Jeez. I'll be more careful next time.

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 09:48 PM
Yeah. I can more understand contact like that when a guy's trying to break up a DP with a slide. But it looked to me that Lawton knew he was going to be out and just chose to avoid sliding in order to see if contact would cause Lopez to drop the ball.

Now, that's fine if it's the Catcher you're barrelling into. There's at least an expectation of contact in those situations. But Lopez was completely unprotected. I guess we'll never know for sure, but having experienced the worst-case result personally, it looked like a pretty dirty play.

Rusty Kuntz and, I think it was John Russell were talking to Lawton about it in the dugout. Apparently they didn't like it either. Like you mentioned, breaking up a DP is one thing, that was quiet another IMO.

UKFlounder
05-27-2005, 09:48 PM
It's always nice to sit in my house and hear the "boom, boom" sound of the fireworks.

Good job, Adam!

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:49 PM
Randa doubles to the right field corner.

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 09:49 PM
Solo shot but still,

Dunn is :rockband:

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:50 PM
Cruz doubles to right. 4-3 Reds!

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 09:51 PM
Cruz :clap:

SteelSD
05-27-2005, 09:52 PM
Rusty Kuntz and, I think it was John Russell were talking to Lawton about it in the dugout. Apparently they didn't like it either. Like you mentioned, breaking up a DP is one thing, that was quiet another IMO.

Yeah. They were probably talking to him about the potential for injury to him. But if that throw were a foot further toward the first base side of the bag, that might have been the last we saw of Lopez for two months. And he wouldn't have been able to chew solid food for about half that time.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:52 PM
John Grabow coming in to pitch.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:54 PM
Valentin singles to right. 5-3 Reds!

GoReds
05-27-2005, 09:55 PM
Kinda looked like Valentin MEANT to do that.

Mitri
05-27-2005, 09:55 PM
Porn star Javy is having a night!

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:58 PM
Ortiz attempts to sacrifice but bunts into a fielder's choice. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 09:59 PM
Freel grounds into a 5-4-3 double play. 5-3 Reds after 6.

Tony Cloninger
05-27-2005, 10:01 PM
13 man pitching staff is a waste. Ortiz is doing OK but i would have rather have someone PH and keep this inning going. Then you can have Wagner/Weathers/Mercker finish it out in no particular order.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:02 PM
Sanchez singles to left.

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 10:04 PM
Yeah. They were probably talking to him about the potential for injury to him. But if that throw were a foot further toward the first base side of the bag, that might have been the last we saw of Lopez for two months. And he wouldn't have been able to chew solid food for about half that time.

Ok, they just showed the replay of Lawton's non-slide. Do you think it deserves a heater in the ribs the next time Lawton comes to bat? And it's a good thing the throw down from Valentin was a poor one or we'd be seeing Aurilia at SS.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:05 PM
Ross strikes out swinging. 1 out.

OnBaseMachine
05-27-2005, 10:06 PM
Ok, they just showed the replay of Lawton's non-slide. Do you think it deserves a heater in the ribs the next time Lawton comes to bat? And it's a good thing the throw down from Valentin was a poor one or we'd be seeing Aurilia at SS.

I think he should be hit for what he did after that homer last night. I've heard of admiring homeruns, but what he did was ridiculous. He stood in the box for a good 5-10 seconds and then flipped his bat and came within inches of hitting Valentin and the ump with it.

Matt700wlw
05-27-2005, 10:06 PM
Ok, they just showed the replay of Lawton's non-slide. Do you think it deserves a heater in the ribs the next time Lawton comes to bat?

You're talking about Reds pitchers here.....

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:09 PM
Hill pinch hits and the ball drops between Lopez and Griffey for a hit. 1st and 2nd with one out. Mercker coming in to pitch.

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 10:10 PM
Ortiz showing a little fire in the belly!

Tony Cloninger
05-27-2005, 10:12 PM
THis team is too nice and laid back to go for any of that rhubarb stuff.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:12 PM
Lawton grounds into a 4-6-3 double play. 5-3 Reds mid 7th.

GoReds
05-27-2005, 10:13 PM
Apparently, 4 is the magic number - as in, the number of bats Ortiz took out when throwing his glove in the dugout.

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 10:14 PM
I think he should be hit for what he did after that homer last night. I've heard of admiring homeruns, but what he did was ridiculous. He stood in the box for a good 5-10 seconds and then flipped his bat and came within inches of hitting Valentin and the ump with it.

Yea', I saw that. I didn't think it looked too bad but flipping the bat like he did was uncalled for.

TRF
05-27-2005, 10:15 PM
I love the real men of genius.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:15 PM
Torres in to pitch and Lopez grounds out to short. 1 out.

SteelSD
05-27-2005, 10:15 PM
Ok, they just showed the replay of Lawton's non-slide. Do you think it deserves a heater in the ribs the next time Lawton comes to bat? And it's a good thing the throw down from Valentin was a poor one or we'd be seeing Aurilia at SS.

If he didn't come up there with Runners on Base or if the game was out of hand, I'd throw one right under his armpit. As it is, I'd wait for the next best opporunity (read: that doesn't negatively effect the game) and throw my first pitch behind his head.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:16 PM
Junior flies out to center. 2 outs.

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 10:17 PM
If he didn't come up there with Runners on Base or if the game was out of hand, I'd throw one right under his armpit. As it is, I'd wait for the next best opporunity (read: that doesn't negatively effect the game) and throw my first pitch behind his head.

Pull a LaRussa and walk the guy in front of him just to get the chance at throwing at him.

RFS62
05-27-2005, 10:17 PM
If he didn't come up there with Runners on Base or if the game was out of hand, I'd throw one right under his armpit. As it is, I'd wait for the next best opporunity (read: that doesn't negatively effect the game) and throw my first pitch behind his head.


Never, ever above the sholders.

Ever.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:18 PM
Kearns grounds out to 3rd. 5-3 Reds after 7.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:21 PM
Wigginton pinch hits and strikes out swinging. 1 out.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 10:21 PM
Wagner warming up

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:22 PM
Bay doubles.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:23 PM
Ward flies out to the warning track in center. Bay goes to 3rd. 2 outs.

SteelSD
05-27-2005, 10:25 PM
Never, ever above the sholders.

Ever.

"Behind". Not "at". As in, so far behind him that it sends a message but has no chance of injuring the guy. Basically, sending a message while showing him more respect that he showed Lopez.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:26 PM
Mackowiak strikes out swinging. 5-3 Reds mid 8th.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:30 PM
Dunn walks to lead off the inning.

Puffy
05-27-2005, 10:31 PM
Another "soft" walk for Dunn.

He sux.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:31 PM
Randa grounds into a 5-4-3 double play.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 10:32 PM
Dunn singled earlier but didn't drive in a run..this helps his avg with runners on.. ;)

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:34 PM
Cruz flies out to left. 5-3 Reds after 8.

TRF
05-27-2005, 10:36 PM
Randa grounds into a 5-4-3 double play.

I Puffy the Joe Randa signing.

Edskin
05-27-2005, 10:36 PM
I want to see what Miley does in the 9th. IMO, going with Weathers is a mistake. It would be like he's INSISTING that we have a defined "closer." Clearly, right now, there isn't an individual on the roster that fits the classic mold (an overrated position IMO anyway).

I'd stick with Mercker to start the 9th and then probably go to Wagner. I don't have a problem with Miley bringing Weathers in to pitch-- even to close, but I just hope that he doesn't replace the "Well, Danny Graves is our closer" flawed logic with a newfound flawed logic.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:36 PM
Wagner in to pitch, Ramano in to play left.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 10:37 PM
Wagner in to try and get his first ever save

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:38 PM
Castillo singles to lead off.

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 10:38 PM
FSN Pittsburgh guys just said this is a week spot for the Reds. They don't have a proven closer anymore.

Edskin
05-27-2005, 10:39 PM
Well, then the Pirates announcers are almost as dumb as the Reds announcers.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:39 PM
Sanchez doubles to right center. 2nd and 3rd with no outs.

TeamCasey
05-27-2005, 10:39 PM
Hey Reds Fanatic. Great job tonight. Thank you.

Matt700wlw
05-27-2005, 10:40 PM
FSN Pittsburgh guys just said this is a week spot for the Reds. They don't have a proven closer anymore.

When did they have one?

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 10:40 PM
Tie game :cry:

TeamCasey
05-27-2005, 10:40 PM
Dagnabbit! Tie game.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:40 PM
Freel throws the ball away and the game is tied 5-5 Ross goes to 2nd on the error.

Tony Cloninger
05-27-2005, 10:40 PM
Jeepers.....two weak hitters and he cannot get them out.


Now you will see the "Where was Weathers" stuff. :laugh:

Edskin
05-27-2005, 10:40 PM
Ahhhhh............this drives me nuts. I HATE when managers remove an effective pitcher from the game (Mercker) just to bring in someone to "close." Burns me up.

MWM
05-27-2005, 10:41 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

TRF
05-27-2005, 10:42 PM
oh just kill me.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:42 PM
Jack Wilson pinch hitting for Torres.

Matt700wlw
05-27-2005, 10:42 PM
I guess this is what happens when Danny Graves is that veteran presence for a young guy to learn from


Either that or Don Gullett is developing you....


:help:

Tony Cloninger
05-27-2005, 10:43 PM
Plenty of reasons to blame Miley for his lineup's and why he played RA for so long.......i do not buy it that this is his fault.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 10:43 PM
Bring Back Graves :evil:

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:43 PM
Wilson sacrifices the runner to 3rd. 1 out.

savafan
05-27-2005, 10:43 PM
When did they have one?

Randall Kirk Myers

Matt700wlw
05-27-2005, 10:44 PM
Randall Kirk Myers

That sad part is....that may be the last time :(

Edskin
05-27-2005, 10:45 PM
Good test for Wagner here. Closers need to be able to get K's. Perfect time with runner on 3rd and 1 out........

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:45 PM
Lawton grounds out to the catcher. 2 outs.

traderumor
05-27-2005, 10:45 PM
Ahhhhh............this drives me nuts. I HATE when managers remove an effective pitcher from the game (Mercker) just to bring in someone to "close." Burns me up.I'm with ya. They just can't get past that vapor lock "I gotta have a new pitcher in the ninth, I gotta have a new pitcher in the ninth."

When someone discovers what is so freaking hard about holding a lead just because its the ninth inning, they'll make a mint.

TRF
05-27-2005, 10:46 PM
<cough>brantly, shaw, williamson</cough>

Edskin
05-27-2005, 10:46 PM
I realize he's already technically "blown" the save, but if Wagner gets that 3rd out and strands the runner, that shows me alot. There's a difference between a "Blown" save that leaves you tied and a blown save that leaves you hopeless.

Matt700wlw
05-27-2005, 10:47 PM
<cough>brantly, shaw, williamson</cough>

Forgot about them ;)

Mitri
05-27-2005, 10:48 PM
I realize he's already technically "blown" the save, but if Wagner gets that 3rd out and strands the runner, that shows me alot. There's a difference between a "Blown" save that leaves you tied and a blown save that leaves you hopeless.

only with this bullpen. we have to find the bright spots i guess

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:48 PM
Wigginton strikes out swinging. 5-5 mid 9th. Valentin, Romano and Freel due up for the Reds.

Tony Cloninger
05-27-2005, 10:49 PM
If Mercker goes back out there and gives up back to back hits then we hear about how someone else should have started the inning.....and why isn't Wagner given a chance.

Don't deny it! :D

Edskin
05-27-2005, 10:49 PM
I certainly can't call that a "good" inning from Wagner, but he showed some cojones there. And the thing i like about him is that you don't feel like he "escapes" those situations. You feel like he actually PITCHES his way out of the jam. Nicely done.

savafan
05-27-2005, 10:49 PM
<cough>brantly, shaw, williamson</cough>

They all had flashes of brilliance, or good seasons, but in the long run there have only really been three uber successful closers for the Reds in the era of the closer, those being John Franco, Randy Myers, and the Reds' all-time saves leader Danny Graves, and I don't count Graves.

GoReds
05-27-2005, 10:50 PM
Edskin, no offense, but Mercker looked like he was tossing softballs up there. Two looooong drives to center.

Both of Wagner's hits were off balance, bloop shots to right center. Besides, if Freel doesn't rush the throw, Ryan doesn't go 0 for 6 in save chances.

Matt700wlw
05-27-2005, 10:50 PM
I certainly can't call that a "good" inning from Wagner, but he showed some cojones there. And the thing i like about him is that you don't feel like he "escapes" those situations. You feel like he actually PITCHES his way out of the jam. Nicely done.

Graves would have imploded

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:51 PM
Mike Gonzalez in to pitch.

Chip R
05-27-2005, 10:51 PM
It appears that was Wagner's homage to Graves. ;)

Edskin
05-27-2005, 10:51 PM
TC-- I posted the original thought BEFORE the pitching change. It's more the theory-- why do managers INSIST on yanking an effective pitcher simply to put in a "closer" to start the 9th. Unless you have some ridiculous freak like Gagne, I don't put any stock into closers as a whole.

I think they are a manager's ultimate crutch/scapegoat.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:52 PM
Valentin strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:52 PM
Romano doubles off the left field wall.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 10:53 PM
We need 2 sac flys! lets go :clap:

Edskin
05-27-2005, 10:54 PM
Here's a chance for Freel to atone.......

Big Klu
05-27-2005, 10:54 PM
savafan,

You include Myers, but you don't include Dibble? Rob was every bit as dominant as Randy, and probably more so.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:55 PM
Freel gets an infield single. 1st and 3rd with one out.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 10:55 PM
Freel safe at first...come on Lopez! :clap: :clap:

Matt700wlw
05-27-2005, 10:55 PM
savafan,

You include Myers, but you don't include Dibble? Rob was every bit as dominant as Randy, and probably more so.

The Nasty Boys were the ultimate 3 headed bullpen

Edskin
05-27-2005, 10:55 PM
speed never slumps :)

Edskin
05-27-2005, 10:56 PM
Squeeze!

savafan
05-27-2005, 10:56 PM
savafan,

You include Myers, but you don't include Dibble? Rob was every bit as dominant as Randy, and probably more so.

Dibble was most effective as a set-up man. If I remember correctly, at that time, he had the highest K/9 IP of anyone in history. Dibble was only a closer for what, two seasons? And his arm began to fall apart at the end of that second season.

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 10:57 PM
Do you send Freel here?

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 10:57 PM
Do you send Freel here?

No Way!

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 10:58 PM
Reds Win! Wooohooo!!!!! :beerme:

Big Klu
05-27-2005, 10:58 PM
But Myers was only a closer for two seasons, then was briefly converted to a starter before heading to San Diego.

Reds Fanatic
05-27-2005, 10:58 PM
Lopez grounds to short and the throw to the plate is not in time. Reds win 6-5!!! :beerme:

Edskin
05-27-2005, 10:59 PM
Gotta give it up to Ramano-- nice couple of games.

GoReds
05-27-2005, 10:59 PM
Nice to see the hustle plays win the game for the Reds.

Pirates announcers making with the excuses.

traderumor
05-27-2005, 10:59 PM
Had it all the way. Just wanting to give Romano a chance to be a hero :thumbup:

Kc61
05-27-2005, 11:00 PM
Don't disrespect Brantley. He was terrific for the Reds in 1995.

savafan
05-27-2005, 11:00 PM
But Myers was only a closer for two seasons, then was briefly converted to a starter before heading to Chicago.

Ah, you are correct, and I am humbled. :notworthy If I include Myers then I have to consider Dibble also, or say that John Franco was the last uber closer the Reds had.

traderumor
05-27-2005, 11:01 PM
Wagner picks up a Graves win

UKFlounder
05-27-2005, 11:01 PM
And hearing the fireworks after a win is nice too :)

savafan
05-27-2005, 11:02 PM
Don't disrespect Brantley. He was terrific for the Reds in 1995.

No disrespect intended, he just didn't stick around as a closer with the Reds for very long.

CTA513
05-27-2005, 11:03 PM
Id think about using Weathers in the 9th before Wagner, or atleast untill Wagner gets it back together.

Crosley68
05-27-2005, 11:04 PM
The vulture lives again.........

Matt700wlw
05-27-2005, 11:04 PM
Fun ending!

Tony Cloninger
05-27-2005, 11:04 PM
Not disputing that at all Edskin.........especially in the last couple of years when Graves would come in after the previous set up man had pitched good enough to be allowed to try and close. I think mentally though some pitchers do not handle the 9th as well as the 8th.

As far as Dibble is concerned....i still vividly remember him and Charlton blowing something like 15 saves between them while saving a combined 50.

They blew some big 9th inning leads (and not just that Bonilla homer vs NYM in the 9th) games against PITT (3 run lead....2 outs....Charlton blew it) Chalrton blew some against ATL also. They were better set up men than closers for sure.

RBA
05-27-2005, 11:04 PM
We need 2 sac flys! lets go :clap:

Minor flaw in this. It was already 1 out. So on the 2nd out (sac fly), Ramano goes to third. And how does he score after the 3rd out?

SteelSD
05-27-2005, 11:05 PM
I would like to thank Louisville Slugger for producing bats that have fielder tracking technology built into the barrels just in case they break off.

That was the most important bat hit into play this season. ;)

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 11:06 PM
No Way!

You were right.

I was worried about the double play and thought an 0-2 count might be the time to send him. Plus Cota doesn't have that good an arm.

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 11:08 PM
I would like to thank Louisville Slugger for producing bats that have fielder tracking technology built into the barrels just in case they break off.

That was the most important bat hit into play this season. ;)

I think they are using technology developed at NASA. It's part of their strategy to defend the Earth against astroids. :beerme:

savafan
05-27-2005, 11:09 PM
I think they are using technology developed at NASA. It's part of their strategy to defend the Earth against astroids. :beerme:

That's exactly what they told me when I toured the plant.

Joseph
05-27-2005, 11:10 PM
I come back with Wags tomorrow in a save situation. This is the year to try it, and if he fails, he isn't handed the job next year. I think he'll be fine though. Save Freels error I think he gets the save giving up 1 run.

Reds Nd2
05-27-2005, 11:11 PM
That's exactly what they told me when I toured the plant.

Our tax dollars finally being put to good use. :)

Big Klu
05-27-2005, 11:16 PM
savafan,

I also made an error. Myers went to San Diego for one year before going to Chicago.

savafan
05-27-2005, 11:23 PM
savafan,

I also made an error. Myers went to San Diego for one year before going to Chicago.

I'm taking back that :notworthy now

smith288
05-27-2005, 11:35 PM
Anyone hear Marty refer to Bowden as "Ole Leather pants"?

I bout drove off the road laughing.

KronoRed
05-27-2005, 11:36 PM
Minor flaw in this. It was already 1 out. So on the 2nd out (sac fly), Ramano goes to third. And how does he score after the 3rd out?

Well that puts a dent in a great plan ;)

SirFelixCat
05-27-2005, 11:51 PM
FWIW, it sounds like Wags did a great job of bailing himself out there. I say you give him the next shot (tomorrow) and let him give it a go again.

Regardless, very nice game by Valentin and my boy Lopez. Wow is he turning into something special or what :beerme:

SirFelixCat
05-27-2005, 11:52 PM
Reds Fanatic, since I was at work for the game, I very much appreciate the great pbp today.


Though, I must say I was very sad to see it get to the fourth inning and still on page one. Come on 'Zoners. tsk tsk.

GAC
05-28-2005, 05:32 AM
Anyone read the article the other day where Dunn and Valentin wrere joking around about Valentin not having a HR yet and Dunn still not having a sac fly? Who would get there's first? I see it was Valentin. :lol: