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Joseph
05-30-2005, 01:10 PM
Reds ace Aaron Harang faces Hall of Famer Roger Clemens in Houston. Harang, by far the Reds best starter this season, is off to a 3-2 start with a 3.32 ERA and 47 K's. He's now over his flu that caused him to miss his last start.

Clemens, coming off a Cy Young season and a strained groin suffered in his last start, is also 3-2 with a stellar 1.19 ERA and 69 K's.


Additional gamenotes:

Streaking:
Felipe Lopez has a career high 11 game hitting streak. Also streaking, catcher Jason LaRue who went 3-4 with a HR and a double to extend his streak to 8 straight games. Sean Casey is also on a season high 6 game hitting streak.

Griffey has 6 HR in 81 career AB's against Clemens. HoFer vs HoFer is always a fun matchup to watch.

CougarQuest
05-30-2005, 01:23 PM
The Reds will win.

CTA513
05-30-2005, 01:24 PM
Reds Astros
1. R Freel, 2B 1. W Taveras, CF
2. F Lopez, SS 2. T Self, RF
3. S Casey, 1B 3. C Biggio, 2B
4. K Griffey Jr., CF 4. L Berkman, LF
5. A Dunn, LF 5. M Lamb, 1B
6. J Randa, 3B 6. M Ensberg, 3B
7. A Kearns, RF 7. A Everett, SS
8. J LaRue, C 8. B Ausmus, C
9. A Harang, P 9. R Clemens, P

RBA
05-30-2005, 01:32 PM
Has Rich Aurilla been regulated to the bench?

Patrick Bateman
05-30-2005, 01:32 PM
Finally a line-up without any back-ups.

Joseph
05-30-2005, 01:32 PM
Thanks for the lineups CTA, I never have luck finding them.

paintmered
05-30-2005, 01:44 PM
Miley has the right players in there, just not in the order that I would like to see them.

Here's to a winning Memorial Day! :beerme:

oneupper
05-30-2005, 01:46 PM
Miley doesn't want RA's stats to suffer, so he's sparing him "The Rocket".

TeamBoone
05-30-2005, 01:51 PM
Thanks for the lineups CTA, I never have luck finding them.

Here ya go!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores.htm

Puffy
05-30-2005, 01:52 PM
Berkman the Reds Killer is in there. Yeah.

MWM
05-30-2005, 01:53 PM
Has Rich Aurilla been regulated to the bench?

Rich told them it was OK to put him ont he bench for one game, but for one game only. :cool:

SandyD
05-30-2005, 01:55 PM
Rich told them it was OK to put him ont he bench for one game, but for one game only. :cool:

Day Game after a Day Game with a flight in between.

TeamBoone
05-30-2005, 01:56 PM
Is anyone watch Real Reds? Isn't Jason's tee-shirt great

TeamBoone
05-30-2005, 01:57 PM
Rich told them it was OK to put him ont he bench for one game, but for one game only. :cool:

:D

Joseph
05-30-2005, 01:58 PM
Is anyone watch Real Reds? Isn't Jason's tee-shirt great My wife loved it. But did he just say he wanted to be an Astro?

RosieRed
05-30-2005, 01:58 PM
Has Rich Aurilla been regulated to the bench?

One can only hope!

Super_Barry11
05-30-2005, 01:59 PM
Is anyone watch Real Reds? Isn't Jason's tee-shirt great

I like his John Deere hat. :)

TeamBoone
05-30-2005, 02:01 PM
My wife loved it. But did he just say he wanted to be an Astro?

I think he said something like, if it were to happen, sure he'd love it as it was the team he grew up watching as a kid. He didn't actually say that he wanted to be an Astro.

Matt700wlw
05-30-2005, 02:07 PM
How does Clemens dominate the way he does at his age?

It is absolutely amazing how good he is...

Joseph
05-30-2005, 02:08 PM
He's still got good 'stuff', but as Yogi once said, 90% of baseball is 50% mental. [Or something close to that]

LvJ
05-30-2005, 02:10 PM
I thought it was cute at first, but I'm getting sick of Dave Miley's lineups. :runaway:

RosieRed
05-30-2005, 02:12 PM
Reds down in order in the first.

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 02:13 PM
I thought it was cute at first, but I'm getting sick of Dave Miley's lineups. :runaway:

I'm sorry, but I look at this lineup and I think it's scary... good. Maybe when Kearns heats up he can move up, and Dunn can jump to the 4 hole, but as of right now, I am not complaining.

SandyD
05-30-2005, 02:13 PM
I've got the game on TV!!!

A rare chance to actually WATCH the Reds.

BTW,

Houston announcers just said ...
the Reds are a good offensive team. If they could just get good performance from their pitchers, they'd be tough to beat.

AND Joe Randa is one of two players who have hit HRs off of Clemens this season.

Joseph
05-30-2005, 02:14 PM
Randa owns Clemens. In his HoF speech Clemens will have to single out Randa as his single toughest opponent.

Matt700wlw
05-30-2005, 02:17 PM
Casey is picking his nose and shooting snot rockets....Hey Sean! The camera is on you!!!

Super_Barry11
05-30-2005, 02:18 PM
Casey is picking his nose and shooting snot rockets....Hey Sean! The camera is on you!!!

Ewww... Glad I missed that attractive display!!

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 02:20 PM
After a leadoff single, Harang struck out the next two batters, but up comes Mr. Res killer himself, Lance Berkman...

Chip R
05-30-2005, 02:20 PM
Rich probably told Miley, "My father put me on the bench once. Once." ;)

SteelSD
05-30-2005, 02:21 PM
Felipe with a fine play to get the third out there. Very nice.

LvJ
05-30-2005, 02:21 PM
Lopez behind the bag :dancingco

Joseph
05-30-2005, 02:21 PM
Does it get any prettier than that?

MWM
05-30-2005, 02:22 PM
FeLo would be a good player if he learned to play better defense.

Raisor
05-30-2005, 02:24 PM
The Astros are going to be pretty good with Berkman and Dunn in the OF in a year or two.

RosieRed
05-30-2005, 02:24 PM
Matt! What happened to the broadcast? Can you put the game back on the air for me please? ;)

RosieRed
05-30-2005, 02:25 PM
OK, it's back. Nevermind! :)

Raisor
05-30-2005, 02:26 PM
JUMPIN LIZARDS! The Astros announcers saying you have to look at OBP when looking at Dunn's numbers.

Dude just mentioned OPS.

I think I'm in love.

SteelSD
05-30-2005, 02:26 PM
Horrible strike two call on Dunn there. That was awful umpiring.

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 02:27 PM
Through the first five batters, the Reds are averaging taking 5 pitches a PA. That's its... drain the life outta good ole Roger early.

RosieRed
05-30-2005, 02:27 PM
Randa!!! HR!! :party:

CrackerJack
05-30-2005, 02:28 PM
Randa with Mr. take-a-walk on base produces 2 runs

Falls City Beer
05-30-2005, 02:28 PM
Dude's groin's gotta be hurtin' him.

Raisor
05-30-2005, 02:28 PM
Can we trade Grande and Welsh for these Astros announcers, please?

LvJ
05-30-2005, 02:28 PM
Uh, Grande?

Yeah, that was a 2 run shot just now. Wake up. :nono:

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 02:28 PM
What is it you were saying about Randa and Clemens... oh yeah, owned.

2-Run Homer Randa!

Joseph
05-30-2005, 02:28 PM
Randaliscious!

Raisor
05-30-2005, 02:29 PM
Dude's groin's gotta be hurtin' him.


:cry:

TeamBoone
05-30-2005, 02:29 PM
Wow! That was the quietest HR I've ever heard!

And I totally agree with George about AD's strike zone. Finally, someone else said it. He gets robbed on low strike calls so much!

Chip R
05-30-2005, 02:29 PM
I wish George would get as excited for Reds HRs as he does for HRs for the other team. :rolleyes:

westofyou
05-30-2005, 02:30 PM
Dude just mentioned OPS.
That's Dierker.

TeamBoone
05-30-2005, 02:30 PM
But ya know, I was sitting here watching it too and didn't think it was out just because it was soooooooooo quiet. You could barely hear the ball off the bat! More often, you can HEAR a home run.

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 02:31 PM
Great job of first pitch hitting by Larue. :rolleyes: Through 2 innings, and 32 pitches by Roger, Reds up 2-0

Raisor
05-30-2005, 02:31 PM
That's Dierker.


nah, his last name is Brown.

I already know about my man crush for Dierker.

Raisor
05-30-2005, 02:32 PM
on the Astros broadcast, when Lamb was coming up to bat, you could hear a digital sheep baaahing.

freaked me out.

CrackerJack
05-30-2005, 02:33 PM
George is too busy listening to himself say Craig Beeeee-geeoo and "Shuuwaan Casthee" to notice these things happening.

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 02:34 PM
Before Harang just K'd Lamb, I was looking at his numbers and wondering to myself, talk about a surprising underpermormer.

RosieRed
05-30-2005, 02:37 PM
Did I just hear Lancaster say that Miley was talking about moving Felipe to 2B???? Please tell me I did not hear that.

:help: :help: :help: :help:

Falls City Beer
05-30-2005, 02:38 PM
Harang loses concentration against a judy lineup. Following Reds pitching M.O. to the letter. The ghost of Danny Graves.

RedlegNation
05-30-2005, 02:39 PM
Did I just hear Lancaster say that Miley was talking about moving Felipe to 2B???? Please tell me I did not hear that.

:help: :help: :help: :help:

I hope that's a joke.

With Miley, I'm sure it isn't though. Gotta get Aurilia in the lineup.

LvJ
05-30-2005, 02:39 PM
:ughmamoru Dunn's defense is funny.

Raisor
05-30-2005, 02:39 PM
Did I just hear Lancaster say that Miley was talking about moving Felipe to 2B???? Please tell me I did not hear that.

:help: :help: :help: :help:

SWEET FANCY MOSES!

Miley really really really has to go, or Aurilia has to go so Miley isn't tempted in using him.

OldCat
05-30-2005, 02:40 PM
Great - pitcher up with bases loaded. Weve seen this before

SteelSD
05-30-2005, 02:41 PM
The Astros announcers are talking about how that K by Clemens was better than a DP ball there.

It's been a joy to listen to these guys so far today.

Raisor
05-30-2005, 02:41 PM
'stros announcer letting everyone know that a K is better then a DP.

Marty should be taking notes, but I'm guessing he's too busy talking about his golf game.

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 02:41 PM
Well, at least Aaron didn't let the pitcher hurt him. Roger Ks, bases loaded with two outs now.

Super_Barry11
05-30-2005, 02:41 PM
Rich Aurilia is the bane of my existence. (Along with Eric Milton, of course.)

Raisor
05-30-2005, 02:42 PM
The Astros announcers are talking about how that K by Clemens was better than a DP ball there.

It's been a joy to listen to these guys so far today.

Grande and Welsh and Marty are dead to me now.

RedlegNation
05-30-2005, 02:42 PM
The Astros announcers are talking about how that K by Clemens was better than a DP ball there.

It's been a joy to listen to these guys so far today.

I agree. These guys are great compared to George Grande.

Of course, silence is great compared to Grande, too.

RosieRed
05-30-2005, 02:42 PM
Good job by Harang to get out of that jam. Whew!

LvJ
05-30-2005, 02:43 PM
Nice job, teh new hotness.

TeamBoone
05-30-2005, 02:44 PM
Harang loses concentration against a judy lineup. Following Reds pitching M.O. to the letter. The ghost of Danny Graves.

Oh pleeeeze.

Joseph
05-30-2005, 02:44 PM
Rich Aurilia is the bane of my existence. You said it sister.

SteelSD
05-30-2005, 02:45 PM
I think Harang is going to get a "throwing heavy ball" rep pretty soon. Guy can crank it up to @93 MPH and blow it by a hitter when he needs to, but he just shattered Tavares' bat with that last pitch.

Mitri
05-30-2005, 02:47 PM
Harang loses concentration against a judy lineup. Following Reds pitching M.O. to the letter. The ghost of Danny Graves.

He'll settle down. I see him going 7 and not giving up a run.

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 02:48 PM
I think Harang is going to get a "throwing heavy ball" rep pretty soon. Guy can crank it up to @93 MPH and blow it by a hitter when he needs to, but he just shattered Tavares' bat with that last pitch.

Steel, out of curiosity. Does throwing a heavy ball mean anything more than just bringing heat?

Super_Barry11
05-30-2005, 02:48 PM
12 game hitting streak for Felipe!!! :beerme:

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 02:49 PM
12 game hit streak now for Felo on an infield hit to Biggio with 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2005, 02:49 PM
Oh pleeeeze.

A pitcher should be fined in a kangaroo court for allowing Ensberg, Everett, and Ausmus to reach base consecutively.

wheels
05-30-2005, 02:50 PM
Steel, out of curiosity. Does throwing a heavy ball mean anything more than just bringing heat?

It's a hard sinking fastball that can break bats and hitters can't seem to hit it in the air.

....Sorry Steel, but I love talking about pitches. Didn't mean to but in.

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 02:50 PM
Felo to second on Casey's first pitch single to center. Here comes Kenny.

OldCat
05-30-2005, 02:51 PM
Make Clemens work -- lets get to the bullpen

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 02:51 PM
It's a hard sinking fastball that can break bats and hitters can't seem to hit it in the air.

....Sorry Steel, but I love talking about pitches. Didn't mean to but in.

Thanks wheels. :thumbup:

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 02:52 PM
Griff grounds out to Clemens for the third out. Still 2-0 Reds with Self, Biggio and Berkman due up.

SteelSD
05-30-2005, 02:52 PM
Steel, out of curiosity. Does throwing a heavy ball mean anything more than just bringing heat?

Yep. Hitters have described it as somthing akin to hitting a shot put and the "heavy" pitches tend to have a downward motion- which is probably why the hitters perceive it to be "heavy" as they can't make consistent square contact.

You can throw 88 MPH and still have hitters perceive that your pitches are "heavy".

SteelSD
05-30-2005, 02:54 PM
It's a hard sinking fastball that can break bats and hitters can't seem to hit it in the air.

....Sorry Steel, but I love talking about pitches. Didn't mean to but in.

Bah. It's impossible to "butt in" during a liquid conversation. Good explanation. :)

OldCat
05-30-2005, 02:55 PM
Yep. Hitters have described it as somthing akin to hitting a shot put and the "heavy" pitches tend to have a downward motion- which is probably why the hitters perceive it to be "heavy" as they can't make consistent square contact.

You can throw 88 MPH and still have hitters perceive that your pitches are "heavy".

Any downward motion is a good thing when pitching in Houston with the cheap LF wall or in GABP.

Raisor
05-30-2005, 02:55 PM
Bah. It's impossible to "butt in" during a liquid conversation.

if anyone can, it's wheels though.

:evil:

SteelSD
05-30-2005, 02:57 PM
Speaking of gearing it up to 93 MPH to blow it past a hitter...

...Biggio down swinging.

RFS62
05-30-2005, 02:58 PM
Yep. Hitters have described it as somthing akin to hitting a shot put and the "heavy" pitches tend to have a downward motion- which is probably why the hitters perceive it to be "heavy" as they can't make consistent square contact.

You can throw 88 MPH and still have hitters perceive that your pitches are "heavy".


It's the same thing as "pace" in tennis.

Puffy
05-30-2005, 02:58 PM
I believe one of the Astros announcers is Jim DeShasis (sp?). And yes, they are good.

I think it's Jim D cause he asked about college baseball and then said he wanted to know about the LeMoyne Dolphins (my Alma Mater) and DeShasis is a grad from there (as is Tom Browning, although Browning didn't graduate from there)

LvJ
05-30-2005, 02:59 PM
Harang. :notworthy :notworthy

CrackerJack
05-30-2005, 02:59 PM
6 k's for Harang thru 3?

OldCat
05-30-2005, 03:00 PM
It's the same thing as "pace" in tennis.

Did you mention tennis in hopes someone would post a picture of Anna Kournkova?

SteelSD
05-30-2005, 03:01 PM
It's the same thing as "pace" in tennis.

Heavy topspin forehand. Gotta love it.

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 03:02 PM
According to Gameday, Harang is just outside of the strikezone when he is missing. He then K's Berkman swinging. Wow. And to think there were some who were unhappy with what the Reds got for Guillen...

through 3:

Clemens - 3h 2r 1bb 3k 50 pitches - 29 strikes
Harang - 3h 0r 1bb 6k 53 pitches - 35 strikes

Other than the high pitch count, great job Aaron!

Matt700wlw
05-30-2005, 03:03 PM
Did you mention tennis in hopes someone would post a picture of Anna Kournkova?

http://siteamwakirsemblearien2.chez.tiscali.fr.chez.tisca li.fr/si/celebrites/ak/anna_kournikova8_1024.jpg

westofyou
05-30-2005, 03:04 PM
nah, his last name is Brown.

I already know about my man crush for Dierker.

Bill Brown, FYI he was the television voice of the Cincinnati Reds from 1976-82.

Raisor
05-30-2005, 03:06 PM
Bill Brown, FYI he was the television voice of the Cincinnati Reds from 1976-82.


why'd the Reds ever let him go?

He's really good.

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 03:06 PM
Matt, you are bad. Just slumming for positive rep points aren't you? Well, it worked.

westofyou
05-30-2005, 03:09 PM
why'd the Reds ever let him go?

He's really good.
Dick Wagner?

Raisor
05-30-2005, 03:10 PM
Anna is distracting me from the game. We need to get to the next page, quickly.

OldCat
05-30-2005, 03:10 PM
Hey, i gave him the idea!

Matt700wlw
05-30-2005, 03:11 PM
Anna is distracting me from the game. We need to get to the next page, quickly.

Ok...

http://annaspears.no.sapo.pt/thumbnails%20anna/anna_kournikova_14.jpg

Raisor
05-30-2005, 03:14 PM
stop it, or I start posting pictures of Harry Carry in retaliation.

Super_Barry11
05-30-2005, 03:14 PM
What the heck is she wearing?? Oh well, I guess that's not the point of the picture, is it? ;)

Puffy
05-30-2005, 03:15 PM
I've always said that Harang was nothing more than a #5 starter. Maybe a #4 at best.

I was wrong. He has improved way more than I thought he ever would, and now I think he is a sure #3 starter, and maybe even can get to a #2.

Its so rare I'm wrong.......

:p:

OldCat
05-30-2005, 03:16 PM
What the heck is she wearing?? Oh well, I guess that's not the point of the picture, is it? ;)

She's wearing hundreds and hundreds of eyeballs.....

Raisor
05-30-2005, 03:16 PM
Its so rare I'm wrong.......

:p:

:laugh:

Puffy
05-30-2005, 03:18 PM
Houston's announcers just threw out this nugget: The 3 Astros starters in this series are a combined 18-0 lifetime against the Reds.

Yippee.

jmcclain19
05-30-2005, 03:18 PM
Dierker and the other 'stros annoucer when talking about Dunn today - figured this would be enjoyed.

"With Dunn you can't really pay any attention to that batting average, it's his on base that's important. He's got a .408 on base percentage. He gets on base a lot, he hits the ball out of the park a lot. Quite a package."

Puffy
05-30-2005, 03:19 PM
Dierker and the other 'stros annoucer when talking about Dunn today - figured this would be enjoyed.

"With Dunn you can't really pay any attention to that batting average, it's his on base that's important. He's got a .408 on base percentage. He gets on base a lot, he hits the ball out of the park a lot. Quite a package."

Its not Dierker, it Jim DeShasis and Brown.

paintmered
05-30-2005, 03:20 PM
Dierker and the other 'stros annoucer when talking about Dunn today - figured this would be enjoyed.

"With Dunn you can't really pay any attention to that batting average, it's his on base that's important. He's got a .408 on base percentage. He gets on base a lot, he hits the ball out of the park a lot. Quite a package."


How do the 'stros get these guys and we get "It's gonna beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.......HE GOT IT! HE GOT IT!"??

westofyou
05-30-2005, 03:21 PM
stop it, or I start posting pictures of Harry Carry in retaliation.

or even worse...

http://www.woundedbird.com/chapin/5042.jpg

westofyou
05-30-2005, 03:21 PM
How do the 'stros get these guys and we get "It's gonna beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.......HE GOT IT! HE GOT IT!"??

Friends and Family..... Friends and Family

jmcclain19
05-30-2005, 03:22 PM
Its not Dierker, it Jim DeShasis and Brown.

The one guy's a dead ringer for Dierker's semi-monotone voice. Anyway, I stand corrected. :thumbup:

OldCat
05-30-2005, 03:22 PM
Houston's announcers just threw out this nugget: The 3 Astros starters in this series are a combined 18-0 lifetime against the Reds.

Yippee.

So we're DUE!

SteelSD
05-30-2005, 03:25 PM
Great gun by Larue to throw out Tavares. Very nice.

BTW, Randa has been positioned badly on both Everett and Tavares- resulting in two Infield Singles today. Needs to adjust.

Puffy
05-30-2005, 03:27 PM
Lopez, Casey and Junior due up.

Some more runs would be fantastic....

OldCat
05-30-2005, 03:28 PM
Could it be his bad foot affecting things?

Mitri
05-30-2005, 03:36 PM
Harang creeping towards a sub-3.00 ERA

TeamBoone
05-30-2005, 03:42 PM
Felipe practically pulled the ball out of Joe's glove. He could very well have caused him to drop it.

paintmered
05-30-2005, 03:42 PM
Harang creeping towards a sub-3.00 ERA


You get smacked with a large trout for saying such things. :p:

Puffy
05-30-2005, 03:54 PM
So Harang is probably done after this inning (100 pitches after 6 and 1/3).

I'm not that confident in the bullpen.

OldCat
05-30-2005, 03:56 PM
Except for the 9th inning the bullpen has done pretty well of late in close games. We just have to find out why nobody wants a save...

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 03:56 PM
Harang's pitches slowly creeping up in the zone. He will be lucky to make it through 7 scoreless.

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2005, 03:57 PM
Harang sends 'em down in order in the 7th. His ERA is down to *gasp* 2.97!

10 K's for Aaron.

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 03:58 PM
Line on Harang:

7IP 5H 0R 1BB 10K 112 pitches - 72 strikes, and most importantly a 2.97 ERA

Matt700wlw
05-30-2005, 03:59 PM
Except for the 9th inning the bullpen has done pretty well of late in close games. We just have to find out why nobody wants a save...

'cause it's Danny's job

SandyD
05-30-2005, 03:59 PM
As scrawny as Adam Everett is now, he's "bulked up" since I first saw him at AAA.

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 04:01 PM
A couple more runs would make me feel a lot more comfortable. Cruz in PH for Harang. If it was a home game, he would be getting a standing O from the fans. Back to back great games from the starting pitching, hope this continues. :)

RANDY IN INDY
05-30-2005, 04:04 PM
I can't believe that Miley lifted Harang, as well as he is pitching. Regardless of the pitch count, he hasn't had any tough innings and there's no reason to think he couldn't pitch a couple more. I surely hope this doesn't come back and bite.

SandyD
05-30-2005, 04:08 PM
FEAR FACTOR!!

Your task for this evening is to sit through six outs by the Reds bullpen in a close game. :yikes:

:)

Reds Nd2
05-30-2005, 04:09 PM
FEAR FACTOR!!

Your task for this evening is to sit through six outs by the Reds bullpen in a close game. :yikes:

:)

:laugh:

westofyou
05-30-2005, 04:09 PM
I can't believe that Miley lifted Harang, as well as he is pitching. Regardless of the pitch count, he hasn't had any tough innings and there's no reason to think he couldn't pitch a couple more. I surely hope this doesn't come back and bite.

He was sick earlier in the week, he could be a little more beat than usual.

KronoRed
05-30-2005, 04:09 PM
Sandy..that's inhuman! ;)

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2005, 04:10 PM
In other news--Kyle Davies has thrown 3.2 scoreless innings today and has yet to allow a run in his first 16 major league innings.

Mitri
05-30-2005, 04:10 PM
I can't believe that Miley lifted Harang, as well as he is pitching. Regardless of the pitch count, he hasn't had any tough innings and there's no reason to think he couldn't pitch a couple more. I surely hope this doesn't come back and bite.

He threw 112 pitches, missed his last start and was coming off a nasty flu.

I think it was the right choice and as of now Weathers seems to be doing fine.

westofyou
05-30-2005, 04:11 PM
Nationals (OB Challenged) Pirates (hitting challenged) Astros (run scoring challenged) each team will make the Reds staff look pretty good across the board. Perfect time to meet them all.

OldCat
05-30-2005, 04:11 PM
FEAR FACTOR!!

Your task for this evening is to sit through six outs by the Reds bullpen in a close game. :yikes:

:)

Can I eat the bugs instead?

Falls City Beer
05-30-2005, 04:13 PM
Holy Cow. Weathers, 10 pitches without incident!

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 04:14 PM
The first three went without a problem. 2 groundouts and a popout from Weathers. So, couch managers, leave Weathers in or bring in Wagner?

KronoRed
05-30-2005, 04:15 PM
Leave him in.

JaxRed
05-30-2005, 04:15 PM
Weathers

Chip R
05-30-2005, 04:15 PM
Nationals (OB Challenged) Pirates (hitting challenged) Astros (run scoring challenged) each team will make the Reds staff look pretty good across the board. Perfect time to meet them all.That should change on Fri when Eric Milton meets Coors Field. :eek:

OldCat
05-30-2005, 04:16 PM
That should change on Fri when Eric Milton meets Coors Field. :eek:

Just to annoy us Milty will probably not give up a HR in coors

IslandRed
05-30-2005, 04:17 PM
Nationals (OB Challenged) Pirates (hitting challenged) Astros (run scoring challenged) each team will make the Reds staff look pretty good across the board. Perfect time to meet them all.

If that's the case, that's actually an improvement. Usually, we're the ones making the hitting-challenged teams look good across the board.

Boss-Hog
05-30-2005, 04:18 PM
Dunn is so "un-clutch". ;)

KronoRed
05-30-2005, 04:18 PM
Dunn with an rbi with a runner in scoring position! :eek:

Puffy
05-30-2005, 04:18 PM
What a "soft" single by Dunn

He sux.

westofyou
05-30-2005, 04:19 PM
If that's the case, that's actually an improvement. Usually, we're the ones making the hitting-challenged teams look good across the board.

All Yings have a Yang

Chip R
05-30-2005, 04:19 PM
Puffy, you beat me to it. :lol:

Puffy
05-30-2005, 04:21 PM
Puffy, you beat me to it. :lol:

Like my girlfriend always tells me, I'm too quick

westofyou
05-30-2005, 04:21 PM
That should change on Fri when Eric Milton meets Coors Field. :eek:

Do NOT mix Acids with a base... I repeat Do NOT mix Acids with a base.

Puffy
05-30-2005, 04:23 PM
Great game by Randa. RBI single, Reds up 4-0, runners on corners and no outs.

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2005, 04:23 PM
Gameday shows that hit by Dunn hitting off the wall. Is that right?

KronoRed
05-30-2005, 04:23 PM
Yes it is..would have been a double if not for a good throw in

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2005, 04:24 PM
Yes it is..would have been a double if not for a good throw in

Thanks.

Was it close to a HR?

RosieRed
05-30-2005, 04:25 PM
What was it Marty or Steve said the other day on the radio?

"The Reds have found a solution to their closer problem: Score more runs."

I fully support that! :)

RBA
05-30-2005, 04:25 PM
Thanks.

Was it close to a HR?

No, not enuf lift.

Puffy
05-30-2005, 04:25 PM
Thanks.

Was it close to a HR?

It was a line drive that short-hopped the fence. It wasn't high enought to get out.

KronoRed
05-30-2005, 04:26 PM
The Astros pen stinks ;)

OldCat
05-30-2005, 04:26 PM
Thanks.

Was it close to a HR?

HR nothing! was it close to a Sacrifice Fly?????

SteelSD
05-30-2005, 04:27 PM
Luis Lopez looks like Gollum.

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2005, 04:27 PM
LaRue is starting to heat up.

6-0 Reds.

KronoRed
05-30-2005, 04:27 PM
HR nothing! was it close to a Sacrifice Fly?????
Nope..

Dunn ain't clutch

OldCat
05-30-2005, 04:27 PM
No dont hit for Stormy! He could get a save!

Falls City Beer
05-30-2005, 04:28 PM
Have I mentioned how much I like this offense? And this is without Wily Mo.

KronoRed
05-30-2005, 04:28 PM
This is the starting 8 we should have on the field 99.0% of the time

Just sayin

membengal
05-30-2005, 04:29 PM
Have not had a chance to scroll throught the entire game thread, as I was at work and could only follow PBP on Gameday, but I just wanted to make a moment to marvel again at Harang's development.

Worked out of a tough spot and then slammed the door shut.

Kind of like an ace does. I could get used to this.

RBA
05-30-2005, 04:29 PM
This is the starting 8 we should have on the field 99.0% of the time

Just sayin

No, we need the veteran: Aurilla.

Joseph
05-30-2005, 04:29 PM
LaRue is starting to heat up.

6-0 Reds.

Word around my house is he's been hot for a while.

membengal
05-30-2005, 04:30 PM
This is the starting 8 we should have on the field 99.0% of the time

Just sayin

Yes, yes it is. With Wily Mo worked in liberally when he gets back. No Aurilia as far as the eye can see. Fine by me.

Chip R
05-30-2005, 04:30 PM
No dont hit for Stormy! He could get a save!At first I wanted to keep Weathers in there. But on second thought I'd like to see Wagner pitch the 9th so he can get some experience in a low pressure situation.

Puffy
05-30-2005, 04:30 PM
6 straight Reds reach base to start the 9th. The cure for the Astros - - Luis Lopez.

Super_Barry11
05-30-2005, 04:30 PM
I LOVE that face Freel just made... :laugh:

KronoRed
05-30-2005, 04:30 PM
No, we need the veteran: Aurilla.
:runaway: :runaway: :runaway:

CrackerJack
05-30-2005, 04:30 PM
Holy moly Freel...

KronoRed
05-30-2005, 04:31 PM
Freel power!!! :D

RosieRed
05-30-2005, 04:31 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek:

LvJ
05-30-2005, 04:31 PM
bwahahahaaahahahah

SteelSD
05-30-2005, 04:31 PM
Ryan Freel with one of those rally-killing Home Runs.

He is teh suck.

membengal
05-30-2005, 04:31 PM
Ryan Freel rules all he surveys.

Reds Nd2
05-30-2005, 04:31 PM
Freel is :rockband:

Boss-Hog
05-30-2005, 04:31 PM
At first I wanted to keep Weathers in there. But on second thought I'd like to see Wagner pitch the 9th so he can get some experience in a low pressure situation. Let ME pitch the ninth if the Reds keep scoring runs like this. :)

DoogMinAmo
05-30-2005, 04:31 PM
Talk about an offensive explosion. Save some for tomorrow guys. Good game all. I'm out.

TeamBoone
05-30-2005, 04:32 PM
Dunn with an rbi with a runner in scoring position! :eek:

Anybody notice how many times he led off today? It was at least twice, if not three times.

Chip R
05-30-2005, 04:32 PM
Enjoy it while you can, Ryan. You're going to be bench ballast soon enough.

Caveat Emperor
05-30-2005, 04:34 PM
Ryan Freel with one of those rally-killing Home Runs.

He is teh suck.

It was a rather scrappy home run.

KronoRed
05-30-2005, 04:34 PM
The message is clear..Ed has to go to every game from now on ;)

Joseph
05-30-2005, 04:35 PM
I guess I should have called it the Memorial Day Massacre instead of MD Melee.

TeamBoone
05-30-2005, 04:37 PM
The message is clear..Ed has to go to every game from now on ;)

You took the words right out of my mouth, Krono. I was going to post something similar as soon as I finished reading the page.

Go Ed! Think if we all chip in, we can afford his airfare?

Chip R
05-30-2005, 04:37 PM
Quick poll: Could Graves hold this lead?

SandyD
05-30-2005, 04:38 PM
The message is clear..Ed has to go to every game from now on ;)

Hey, early on, I saw a young guy in a Reds cap next to a young woman ... could that have been Ed?

Joseph
05-30-2005, 04:38 PM
Coffey time.

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2005, 04:39 PM
The Reds are now 3rd in the NL in runs.

Caveat Emperor
05-30-2005, 04:41 PM
Have not had a chance to scroll throught the entire game thread, as I was at work and could only follow PBP on Gameday, but I just wanted to make a moment to marvel again at Harang's development.

Worked out of a tough spot and then slammed the door shut.

Kind of like an ace does. I could get used to this.

We rag on Don Gullett on RedsZone a ton, but give him credit for what he's done with Aaron Harang. He was projected as a middle-to-back of the rotation kind of guy, and he's pitching like a top man now.

KronoRed
05-30-2005, 04:42 PM
Quick poll: Could Graves hold this lead?

Yes

Barely :D

Clemson
05-30-2005, 04:42 PM
i dont have the gmae on tv, was wagner warming to pitch the 9th in a save situation or was weathers staying in?

just curious to see if wags was gponna get a chanc e to clsoe it out and get the save

Matt700wlw
05-30-2005, 04:43 PM
We rag on Don Gullett on RedsZone a ton, but give him credit for what he's done with Aaron Harang. He was projected as a middle-to-back of the rotation kind of guy, and he's pitching like a top man now.

That's what...the 1st pitcher he's developed in 13 years? ;)

OldCat
05-30-2005, 04:43 PM
no save if 9-0

westofyou
05-30-2005, 04:43 PM
The Reds are now 3rd in the NL in runs.

And now only the Giants and Rockies have not had a shutout this season in the NL.

That alone drops the Reds Suckitude a couple of points.

RosieRed
05-30-2005, 04:44 PM
Nice game. Good way to start the road trip. :)

KronoRed
05-30-2005, 04:44 PM
That alone drops the Reds Suckitude a couple of points.

We don't suck as much as before

WOOHOO ;)

westofyou
05-30-2005, 04:44 PM
Of course the Astros have been shut out 9 times already, so shutting them out is like beating the geeky kid down the street in wiffle ball every day for a year and a half.

Joseph
05-30-2005, 04:44 PM
Good effort all around for the second day in a row. These are the kinds of games that won't cause too many ulcers.

SirFelixCat
05-30-2005, 04:45 PM
Awesome game. Another great all around game. And Harang....who knew? ;) I expected a solid year, but wow, really...wow.

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2005, 04:45 PM
Coffey has thrown 7 consecutive scoreless innings(8 hits, 0 walks, 6 k's).

SirFelixCat
05-30-2005, 04:46 PM
Of course the Astros have been shut out 9 times already, so shutting them out is like beating the geeky kid down the street in wiffle ball every day for a year and a half.


I'm sorry but with this pitching staff, it's an accomplishment, geeky kid be damned :laugh:

RosieRed
05-30-2005, 04:46 PM
Coffey has thrown 7 consecutive scoreless innings(8 hits, 0 walks, 6 k's).

Nice! :beerme:

Matt700wlw
05-30-2005, 04:46 PM
:clap: :harang: :randa: :freel: :clap:

CrackerJack
05-30-2005, 04:47 PM
Them salads are goood...

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2005, 04:47 PM
Of course the Astros have been shut out 9 times already, so shutting them out is like beating the geeky kid down the street in wiffle ball every day for a year and a half.

How many teams have yet to be shutout this year? I know the Reds are one. It would be nice to see them go on a streak like they did from 1999-2001.

Tony Cloninger
05-30-2005, 04:48 PM
Coffey is only keeping things warm for Webber when he comes back.

:thumbup:

RFS62
05-30-2005, 04:51 PM
And now only the Giants and Rockies have not had a shutout this season in the NL.

That alone drops the Reds Suckitude a couple of points.


True, but the Suckometer still records very high levels of sucking, especially when pointed towards Milton and Wilson.

Overall though, suckitudinally speaking, you are correct, sir.

KronoRed
05-30-2005, 04:53 PM
Coffey is only keeping things warm for Webber when he comes back.

:thumbup:

Dan o?!?!? ;)

Caveat Emperor
05-30-2005, 04:53 PM
Coffey is only keeping things warm for Webber when he comes back.

:thumbup:

Coffey is doing what most young pitchers do when they get to the bigs: taking his lumps and figuring things out. His first few appearences were beyond awful as he realized that there's a big difference between the best hitters in AAA and the worst hitters in the show.

His velocity seems to be coming back, and he's routinely hitting 93-94 on the gun with his fastball now.

I think they're doing the right thing with Coffey: using him in these late-inning mop up situations when the game is out of hand in one direction or the other. Building his confidence and giving him experience in dealing with major league hitters. They're putting him in a position to be successful, something this franchise has been awful at in recent memory.

I'd take Coffey over Weber any day of the week.

Tony Cloninger
05-30-2005, 04:57 PM
Totally agree ....... but i figured if RA was allowed to come back (bench player or not) then DO is going to let Webber do that also.

They are already carrying too many pitchers to begin with......i think either TC or Stone goes down when Pena comes back.

Chip R
05-30-2005, 04:57 PM
no save if 9-0Right but it wa 2-0 after 8 innings.

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2005, 05:03 PM
How many teams have yet to be shutout this year? I know the Reds are one. It would be nice to see them go on a streak like they did from 1999-2001.

I looked it up just now. The Reds and Red Sox are the only teams in the majors that have NOT been shutout this season.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2005, 05:05 PM
I looked it up just now. The Reds and Red Sox are the only teams in the majors that have NOT been shutout this season.

Shutouts don't often happen to good (great?) offenses.

traderumor
05-30-2005, 05:38 PM
We rag on Don Gullett on RedsZone a ton, but give him credit for what he's done with Aaron Harang. He was projected as a middle-to-back of the rotation kind of guy, and he's pitching like a top man now.Harang learned to pitch in the Oakland org. He is pitching the same way now that he did when he first came over, theory wise. I noticed from the first time watching him that he knew how to pitch, just didn't have enough consistency with his stuff. So, I'd only go as far as saying Gullett hasn't screwed him up. :devil:

Chip R
05-30-2005, 05:42 PM
So, I'd only go as far as saying Gullett hasn't screwed him up. :devil:Yet.