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Matt700wlw
06-01-2005, 08:19 PM
Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
R. Freel 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .316
F. Lopez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .296
S. Casey 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .321
K. Griffey Jr. cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .266
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .240
J. Randa 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .290
A. Kearns rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .230
J. Valentin c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .208
R. Ortiz p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Houston
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
W. Taveras cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
T. Self rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .222
C. Biggio 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .284
L. Berkman 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .234
M. Ensberg 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276
C. Burke lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .222
A. Everett ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .224
R. Chavez c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .210
R. Oswalt p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .136
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0

Patrick Bateman
06-01-2005, 08:21 PM
:party:

kheidg-
06-01-2005, 08:21 PM
Swap Larue and Valentin and we have a winner.

Eric_Davis
06-01-2005, 08:22 PM
I've got happy feet, happy feet, happy feet!!!

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 08:23 PM
Move Kearns and Dunn up and we have a winner :D

CTA513
06-01-2005, 08:25 PM
Reds will for sure lose with out Aurilia starting.

:thumbdown

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 08:28 PM
Man, if Kearns and Dunn happen to catch fire at the same time, this offense will be flat out SCARY good.

LINEDRIVER
06-01-2005, 08:28 PM
Did Miley get Aurilia's permission to keep him out of the starting line-up tonight?

Boss-Hog
06-01-2005, 08:31 PM
Just a little tip (for anyone) - if you want to preserve the format of statistics, include them within a [ code ] and [ /code ] (with no spaces before/after the brackets).

KittyDuran
06-01-2005, 08:35 PM
Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
R. Freel 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .316
F. Lopez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .296
S. Casey 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .321
K. Griffey Jr. cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .266
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .240
J. Randa 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .290
A. Kearns rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .230
J. Valentin c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .208
R. Ortiz p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Houston
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
W. Taveras cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
T. Self rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .222
C. Biggio 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .284
L. Berkman 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .234
M. Ensberg 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276
C. Burke lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .222
A. Everett ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .224
R. Chavez c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .210
R. Oswalt p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .136
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0

Well, I didn't do that right... :(

Raisor
06-01-2005, 08:35 PM
Man, if Kearns and Dunn happen to catch fire at the same time, this offense will be flat out SCARY good.


NL Rank: T-3
MLB Rank: T-9

I'd say they're there already.

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 08:36 PM
NL Rank: T-3
MLB Rank: T-9

I'd say they're there already.

Too many walks..not enough double plays

OnBaseMachine
06-01-2005, 08:41 PM
We have a new word we have to use.

Steve Stone just called Timo Perez 'spunky'. Use it wisely.

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 08:42 PM
Spunky!

I like it :D

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 08:43 PM
NL Rank: T-3
MLB Rank: T-9

I'd say they're there already.

No, this offense is good, but it has the potential to be scary good, AKA top 3 in MLB, which is pretty impressive considering there are only 8 hitters in the NL.

OnBaseMachine
06-01-2005, 08:48 PM
Spunky!

I like it :D

You owe me a quarter everytime you use it. :D

You use it enough..maybe I'll get enough cash to sign Dunn longterm?:dunno:

Candy Cummings
06-01-2005, 08:49 PM
Really, you put LaRue and WMP in, and that's about as good a lineup as we can put in.

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 08:52 PM
This lineup is spunky :D

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:00 PM
I must say with a day off tomorrow there in no reason not to play Larue as hot as he has been. I am sure Miley has his reasons (what ever the heck those are)...

Eric_Davis
06-01-2005, 09:03 PM
You know Oswalt's foaming at the mouth, and is pumped up for this game. (13-0 in 17 career starts)

The streak stops here tonight. 13-1!

Reds will be winners of 7 of 10 after tonight (because Aurilia's out of the lineup).

Five runs in the first five innings against Oswalt.

Let's go REDS!

Predicted star of the night.....Junior!....with bows being taken all around.

Eric_Davis
06-01-2005, 09:04 PM
Houston hasn't scored a run for Oswalt the last two games.

Aronchis
06-01-2005, 09:05 PM
Houston hasn't scored a run for Oswalt the last two games.

Then Ramon Ortiz comes knocking.........................

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 09:11 PM
Ramon will shut em out :cool:

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:14 PM
Ramon will shut em out :cool:

Wow I didnt think it was true but Krono has actually lost it...

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:15 PM
Wow Taveras is going to hit over .300 and never get one outta the infield. Man in he fast.

flyer85
06-01-2005, 09:21 PM
sure is fun watching guys who don't have an out pitch

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:22 PM
Runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs for Ortiz.. Sure hope this dosent get ugly..

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 09:22 PM
Ortiz has no out pitch.

Aronchis
06-01-2005, 09:22 PM
Ramon looks to be in rare form tonight.

flyer85
06-01-2005, 09:23 PM
game could be over in 5 minutes

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:23 PM
Bases loaded no outs for Ortiz. It is getting uglier pitch-by-pitch..

GAC
06-01-2005, 09:23 PM
bases loaded and 0 outs.

I'd say Ramon is noodles.

Chat is open.

OnBaseMachine
06-01-2005, 09:24 PM
Ramon will shut em out :cool:

You still have time to edit that before someone sees it. ;)

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:26 PM
Berkman is down on strikes.. Good job

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 09:27 PM
Lets go Double play

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:29 PM
1-0 Bad Guys Endsburg with the sac fly 2 on 2 outs..

Eric_Davis
06-01-2005, 09:31 PM
Nice recovery by Ortiz!

Let's get it back and Ramon continue to get them out.

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 09:32 PM
29 pitches. Against this judy lineup. Ugh. I can't stand this team's pitching.

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:32 PM
Ok thats it.. Not a bad job getting outta trouble for Ortiz. Considering the bases were loaded with no outs. And honestly no one got a solid hit off him, my only worry now is he threw some many pitches.
Ohh well
After one
1-0 Stros

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 09:35 PM
Oswalt keeps painting that low and away strike to the left handed hitters.

flyer85
06-01-2005, 09:35 PM
threw Dunn a 3-2 change. won't see that again tonight

SirFelixCat
06-01-2005, 09:36 PM
29 pitches. Against this judy lineup. Ugh. I can't stand this team's pitching.

Cuz Harang, Claussen, Weathers and Wagner are completely unwatchable :rolleyes:

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:37 PM
So going to the bottom of the second and Oswalt is cruising. He gets the Reds 1-2-3-4-5-6...

1-0 Stros

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 09:37 PM
Randa flies out to deep right center. The proportions of this park never cease to amaze me.

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 09:38 PM
Lets go Ramon!

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 09:39 PM
Here is to hoping that getting out of that 1st inning jam gave Ortiz 2 things. 1. some confidence 2. Helped him realize this lineup should not scare him

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 09:40 PM
Here is to hoping that getting out of that 1st inning jam gave Ortiz 2 things. 1. some confidence 2. Helped him realize this lineup should not scare him

Nope.

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:40 PM
Ortiz hits Biggio... Go figure Biggio gets hit more than Larue.

FlyingPig
06-01-2005, 09:41 PM
Ortiz would be a good mop up pitcher..


in AA ball...

:bang:

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:41 PM
Douple- play for Ortiz no on and 2 out

SirFelixCat
06-01-2005, 09:41 PM
6-4-3 :d

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:42 PM
Good quick inning, Ortiz NEEDED that...

SirFelixCat
06-01-2005, 09:42 PM
F-9. Inning over :)

Eric_Davis
06-01-2005, 09:42 PM
9-pitch inning by Ortiz!

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 09:43 PM
Ortiz hits Biggio... Go figure Biggio gets hit more than Larue.
Helps to wear armor

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 09:43 PM
Good quick inning, Ortiz NEEDED that...

9 pitches :thumbup:

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:44 PM
Helps to wear armor

Also helps when you dont move on a ball that is inside...

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:46 PM
Does anyone else notice that AK seems to just be going through the motions. Maybe he realizes he is in a bit of a slump and his heart just isnt in it.
I will be glad when Pena gets back to push him a little. But then again I guess RA is pushing him in a way for playing time also as sad as that is..

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:48 PM
Reds go down 1-2-3 again... As Everret yries to motivate Ortiz to run to first. What is that crap.. Grrrr

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 09:50 PM
Does anyone else notice that AK seems to just be going through the motions. Maybe he realizes he is in a bit of a slump and his heart just isnt in it.
I will be glad when Pena gets back to push him a little. But then again I guess RA is pushing him in a way for playing time also as sad as that is..

Honestly, the whole team looks like Mopesville. Except for Freel and Lopez. They just seem ready to get back to the buffet.

SirFelixCat
06-01-2005, 09:54 PM
Honestly, the whole team looks like Mopesville. Except for Freel and Lopez. They just seem ready to get back to the buffet.

And Jr. Otherwise, I agree :(

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:55 PM
Another good inning for Ortiz. Lets hope the bats can figure out Oswalt the second time through..

After 3
1-0 Bad Guys

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 09:56 PM
Hey, there is a bright spot.... the Reds have not struck out yet! :thumbdown:

Eric_Davis
06-01-2005, 09:57 PM
Second time through's the charm.

Let's go REDS!

Eric_Davis
06-01-2005, 09:58 PM
FWIW, Oswalt hasn't given up more than two runs in any of his last four starts, so the guy's on right now. It's not us.

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 09:58 PM
Oswalt's got no-hitter stuff and a no-hitter pitch count. Thought I'd drop that one.

And right on cue, Lopez breaks it up.

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 09:58 PM
Lopez!!! woo hoo 1 out double.. there goes the no no hahaha..

Aronchis
06-01-2005, 09:59 PM
Felipe breaks it up

OnBaseMachine
06-01-2005, 09:59 PM
Lopez doubles...14 game hitting streak.

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 09:59 PM
Thankyou FCB! WTG Lopez!

RedFanAlways1966
06-01-2005, 10:00 PM
14-game hitting streak for FeLo w/ a double to the opposite corner.

30 games from now will be July 5 @ San Francisco. Look out Pete!

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 10:00 PM
Case with the seeing eye single. 1st and 3rd 1 out

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 10:00 PM
JR! :clap:

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 10:00 PM
Everybody chant it with me.... FLY BALL FLY BALL!

Eric_Davis
06-01-2005, 10:00 PM
Nice drop, Falls.

How 'bout another?

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 10:01 PM
Griffey ties it with the bloop... 1-1 Way to go Griff..

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 10:01 PM
Steal 3rd Case so Dunn can get a sac fly! ;)

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 10:01 PM
Second time through's the charm.

Let's go REDS!

Ding!!!

Aronchis
06-01-2005, 10:02 PM
Amazing thing that K is. Oswalt doesn't have any yet and he gets hit around a little in the 4th, much like did Belisle after no hitting the Astros through 3 also who only had 1 K through 3. My view is, if they aren't striking out alot, you have a chance.

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 10:03 PM
Dunn walks, bases loaded for Joe Randa now...

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 10:03 PM
Randa DP :rant:

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 10:03 PM
Dunn walks.. Bases loaded for Randa with one out..
Come on Joe!!

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 10:04 PM
Nooooooo...

flyer85
06-01-2005, 10:04 PM
nice patience Joe

OnBaseMachine
06-01-2005, 10:04 PM
Dunn walks. 8th straight game that Dunn has walked, which ties the major league high this year(Dunn has did it both times). The Reds record is 13...held by Dunn.

Puffy
06-01-2005, 10:05 PM
Yet another "soft" walk for Dunn. He really needs to become KRISPy.

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 10:06 PM
On a side note, Smoltz's K numbers are dropping while his BB numbers are shooting through the roof. And his ERA is going up slowly, but surely.

Ehem.

Puffy
06-01-2005, 10:06 PM
And the Reds add to their major league leading GIDP total.

Yippee.

OnBaseMachine
06-01-2005, 10:06 PM
Why do I see a few Reds fans in the near future blaming Dunn for that DP because he didn't chase bad pitches and try to hit a sac fly?

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 10:06 PM
If Austin had hit there it would have been a grand slam

GAC
06-01-2005, 10:08 PM
Berkman just golfs one into the RF stands (just fair)

2-1 Astros

Aronchis
06-01-2005, 10:08 PM
Berkman Johnson's Ramon.

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 10:08 PM
Man, I knew I had a weird feeling Berkman was gonna double his home run total for the season against Ortiz. I just was hoping that if I did not say it, it might not come true. At least it was a solo shot.

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 10:08 PM
Bean Berkman next time up ;)

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 10:12 PM
The Astros sure do seem to run out every hit compared to the Reds jog.

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 10:12 PM
You know, you don't have to IBB Berkman to *IBB* Berkman.

GAC
06-01-2005, 10:13 PM
Ortiz is really not throwing bad at all. He's keeping the ball down. It wasn't a bad pitch that he threw Berkman. Just give credit to Berkman for being able to go down and get it. Nice piece of hitting.

4 innings pitched 71 pitches 2 ERs

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 10:14 PM
After 4 innings it is 2-1 Bad guys.

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 10:14 PM
Ortiz has to shut out the Astros for two more innings to make an honest man out of me.

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 10:19 PM
There goes that whole K thing. Both Kearns and Ortiz take called third strikes sandwiched around a first pitch lineout by Valentin.

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 10:22 PM
Nice play Freel :clap:

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 10:22 PM
Nice play by Freel with the bare hand..

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 10:24 PM
10 pitch inning for Ortiz, who appears to be cruising now. Cmon offense, come to life...

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 10:25 PM
Ortiz is closing in on the illusive Quality Start stat.
Really it has been a nice turn aroung since the first by Ortiz. Then again it is the Astros offense which can be rather offensive..

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 10:26 PM
Freel doubles..lets go FeLo

CrackerJack
06-01-2005, 10:27 PM
Freel's gonna get paid at some point

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 10:27 PM
:lol:
Lopez now on 2nd..not sure how that play would get scored

flyer85
06-01-2005, 10:29 PM
swing at the first pitch again and right to the pitcher

flyer85
06-01-2005, 10:33 PM
oswalt made that look easy.

Oswalt to lidge. Game is looking over

Puffy
06-01-2005, 10:39 PM
Oswalt just owns the Reds. Absolutely owns them.

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 10:39 PM
Is that what you were referring to FCB? Ortiz walks Berkman on four pitches, but nothing really to hit at all.

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 10:42 PM
Is that what you were referring to FCB? Ortiz walks Berkman on four pitches, but nothing really to hit at all.

Yeah, but then you've got to get the next guy!

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 10:42 PM
We should sign Oswalt

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 10:44 PM
Got to do it now. It's Wheeler in the 8th, Lidge in the 9th and goodnight, nurse.

Matt700wlw
06-01-2005, 10:46 PM
Dunn strikes out looking....again

Joseph
06-01-2005, 10:46 PM
Harang & Ortiz are looking sharp lately, Claussen and Belisle added in and the rotation isn't nearly as shaky as once thought. Not dominant for sure, but better than a bunch of 7 ERAs

Aronchis
06-01-2005, 10:49 PM
Kearns and Dunn's slump has really started to be a drag.

RFS62
06-01-2005, 10:52 PM
Ortiz at the 100 pitch mark. Take cover.

SteelSD
06-01-2005, 10:52 PM
Dunn strikes out looking....again

On a called third strike that was a ball...again

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 10:52 PM
Ortiz back out there for the seventh, not sure if I agree. He has started to get a bit wild; he is staying low, but is still very hittable, and not throwing strikes.

flyer85
06-01-2005, 10:52 PM
Harang & Ortiz are looking sharp lately, this is the Astros. Check out that lineup, they make almost any pitcher look sharp.

Puffy
06-01-2005, 10:53 PM
Oswalt just owns the Reds. And only 86 pitches thru 7, he should make it thru at least 8.

As opposed to Ortiz, who was at 100 thru 6.

flyer85
06-01-2005, 10:56 PM
PH for Oswalt is doing the Reds a favor

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 10:57 PM
Oswalt is out. Should I be happy??

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 10:57 PM
Oswalt just owns the Reds. And only 86 pitches thru 7, he should make it thru at least 8.

As opposed to Ortiz, who was at 100 thru 6.

No need to push Oswalt anymore. If the Astros lead after the 7th inning, the ball game's over.

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 10:57 PM
Oswalt just owns the Reds. And only 86 pitches thru 7, he should make it thru at least 8.

As opposed to Ortiz, who was at 100 thru 6.

Unless of course, Phil pulls him for a PH. Thank you, Phil!

Puffy
06-01-2005, 10:58 PM
Unless of course, Phil pulls him for a PH. Thank you, Phil!

You bet. I'll take my chances against Wheeler rather than Oswalt if I am the Reds (considering Oswalt owns the Reds).

CrackerJack
06-01-2005, 10:58 PM
wow that was a nice pitch by Ortiz

flyer85
06-01-2005, 10:59 PM
Oswalt is out. Should I be happy??I assume that is a rhetorical question. Doesn't mean the Reds will score in the 8th but they certainly have a better shot against the reliever than Oswalt.

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 10:59 PM
You bet. I'll take my chances against Wheeler rather than Oswalt if I am the Reds (considering Oswalt owns the Reds).

Wheeler ate the Reds alive last night.

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 10:59 PM
Well great start for Ortiz. To bad he wont get the W..

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 11:00 PM
Merker coming in for one batter. Make it work Merk!

Joseph
06-01-2005, 11:01 PM
this is the Astros. Check out that lineup, they make almost any pitcher look sharp.

Point taken, though the statement about Harang holds true still.

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 11:01 PM
I'll take my chances with ANY pitcher at 90 pitches over a fresh reliever the caliber of Wheeler.

SteelSD
06-01-2005, 11:02 PM
Willy Taveras Overall 2005: .303 OBP/.337 SLG

Willy Taveras vs. Cinci 2005: .393 OBP/.440 SLG

Yeesh.

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 11:02 PM
Well great start for Ortiz. To bad he wont get the W..

So if the Reds come back and win it in the eighth, who gets the W?

Reds Fanatic
06-01-2005, 11:02 PM
Lane drives in 2 runs. 4-1 Astros.

flyer85
06-01-2005, 11:02 PM
Point taken, though the statement about Harang holds true still.Harang has done it against others, Ortiz hasn't

Joseph
06-01-2005, 11:02 PM
Now it's over.

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 11:03 PM
Well crud. Lane double off Merk, two runs score. Too bad for Ortiz.

flyer85
06-01-2005, 11:03 PM
Self is a non-hitter so Miley brings in the lefty so Lane can hit. Makes sense to me.

SteelSD
06-01-2005, 11:04 PM
Jason Lane Overall 2005: .223 BA/.272 OBP/.401 SLG

Jason Lane vs. Cinci 2005: .333 BA/.320 OBP/.917 SLG

ANYONE SEE A PATTERN YET????

Matt700wlw
06-01-2005, 11:04 PM
Self is a non-hitter so Miley brings in the lefty so Lane can hit. Makes sense to me.

Mercker hasn't exactly been good with inherited runners...

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 11:04 PM
You let the likes of Everett and Tavarez skunk you, you deserve to lose.

TeamBoone
06-01-2005, 11:04 PM
Stupid move by Miley... and I thought so before the two runs just scored.

2 outs 2 on. Yeah, the last batter got a hit. So what! Ortiz was doing well this last inning. Give him a chance.

Puffy
06-01-2005, 11:04 PM
And those two runs go against Ortiz - kinda unfair, although he did put them on base.

Aronchis
06-01-2005, 11:05 PM
Merker lays it on the SP as usual.

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 11:06 PM
And those two runs go against Ortiz - kinda unfair, although he did put them on base.

You bring in Wagner in a situation like that. First line of defense w/ runners on should ALWAYS be the K guy, not the lefty/righty nonsense.

Joseph
06-01-2005, 11:06 PM
It seems like Mercker allows a lot of inherited runners to score lately. I'm sure it's just perception since it's fresh in mind, but still....

Puffy
06-01-2005, 11:07 PM
Here's why relievers ERA's are not the best indicator - Mercker comes in and gives up a double and a walk before he gets the one out to end the inning and his ERA goes down even though he allowed two runners to score.

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 11:07 PM
Oh well, those two extra runs aren't going to factor into the outcome anyway, there's no way the Reds score on Wheeler or Lidge.

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 11:08 PM
Self is a non-hitter so Miley brings in the lefty so Lane can hit. Makes sense to me.

Sad thing is, lefties actually hit Merker better than righties. Phil was actually helping out, well, sort of.

flyer85
06-01-2005, 11:08 PM
You bring in Wagner in a situation like that. First line of defense w/ runners on should ALWAYS be the K guy, not the lefty/righty nonsense.the Reds should have wanted to keep Self at the plate

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 11:08 PM
Here's why relievers ERA's are not the best indicator - Mercker comes in and gives up a double and a walk and his ERA goes down even though he allowed two runners to score.

That is why Merker's ERA looks decent. But he has given up runs to inherited runners more than once this year..

Matt700wlw
06-01-2005, 11:09 PM
That is why Merker's ERA looks decent. But he has given up runs to inherited runners more than once this year..

9 or 10 for 18 I believe....(something of the sort)

SteelSD
06-01-2005, 11:09 PM
You bring in Wagner in a situation like that. First line of defense w/ runners on should ALWAYS be the K guy, not the lefty/righty nonsense.

And if you're going to go with LH/RH "matchups", there's no reason to not counter a RH hitter with a RH pitcher anyway (i.e. Lane with Wagner).

That being said, you're right- If Adam Everett, Willy Taveras, and Jason Lane are the guys in question, there's no excuse. Bad pitching gets beat by bad hitting more often.

traderumor
06-01-2005, 11:10 PM
How can anyone support taking out Oswalt in what was at the time a 2-1 game after only 86 pitches?

SteelSD
06-01-2005, 11:10 PM
9 or 10 for 18 I believe....(something of the sort)

8 of 19 per espn.com

And you're right. That's a horrid rate.

Matt700wlw
06-01-2005, 11:10 PM
How can anyone support taking out Oswalt in what was at the time a 2-1 game after only 86 pitches?

Because you have Wheeler and Lidge

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 11:11 PM
All I can say is Ortiz deserved a better box score than he has recieved.

traderumor
06-01-2005, 11:12 PM
Stupid move by Miley... and I thought so before the two runs just scored.

2 outs 2 on. Yeah, the last batter got a hit. So what! Ortiz was doing well this last inning. Give him a chance.Yup, and isn't the first time this season. I remember earlier in the season he brought in Mercker to face Lenny Harris, which played into McKeon's hand and the righty came up and got a big pinch hit. Nice job for Ortiz to get 4 runs charged to him in what was a very good outing.

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 11:15 PM
I still stand by my "Ortiz should have never seen the seventh inning" statement. The pen has been saved the past few days, and there is an off day tomorrow.

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 11:17 PM
You're right, Doog. I would have taken the money and run with a start like that from Ortiz. There won't be many more of those.

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 11:19 PM
I know this going to be very unpopular, but I think Miley is WAY worse than Boone. Boone was not the primary problem in his tenure here. Miley's asserted himself as a huge problem in the failure of this team. I stand by the belief that this team should be performing better than they are, but are being undercut by Miley's idiocy.

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 11:20 PM
Here we go..5 run inning

westofyou
06-01-2005, 11:22 PM
I know this going to be very unpopular, but I think Miley is WAY worse than Boone. Boone was not the primary problem in his tenure here. Miley's asserted himself as a huge problem in the failure of this team. I stand by the belief that this team should be performing better than they are, but are being undercut by Miley's idiocy.

Yep, Boone was Mauchian in an era that didn''t fit the process.

Miley is just slow to change, boring and a lesson in baseball inertia.

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 11:23 PM
The bright side is Lopez, Casey, Griff, Dunn, are due up, a slew of lefties. Miley should be slobbering. Let's see if good offense can take down good pitching this time...

Puffy
06-01-2005, 11:24 PM
So, does this prove once and for all that the Reds are the worst team in the Division? Sure, the Astros are a game behind in the standings, but they are 6-3 in head to head against the Reds.

Good pitching and bad hitting trumps Bad pitching and good hitting.

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 11:25 PM
Here we go..5 run inning

I would take three.

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 11:25 PM
I dunno Puffy, I think the Astros are just as bad..they just pick it up when we come to town

westofyou
06-01-2005, 11:26 PM
This is the Reds

http://han.grumblemutterspit.org/images/fg.jpg

DoogMinAmo
06-01-2005, 11:27 PM
I dunno Puffy, I think the Astros are just as bad..they just pick it up when we come to town

You and Puffy are in Houston? :D

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 11:27 PM
You and Puffy are in Houston? :D

Quiet down about it..we're on a mission to "deal" with Randa and Aurilia :cool:

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 11:28 PM
Awww crap :rant:

Game over..Dunn hits one to the wall :(

SteelSD
06-01-2005, 11:29 PM
And Palmeiro robs Dunn of a Home Run. Apt ending to this game.

Joseph
06-01-2005, 11:29 PM
I just cursed at the television, loudly.

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 11:29 PM
I'll be shocked if Miley's still around in 3 weeks; I'll be stupefied if DanO's allowed to return next season. $11.5 million tied up in two pitchers sporting 5.23 and 7.05 ERAs.

westofyou
06-01-2005, 11:29 PM
That was as disappointing as Howard the Duck the movie.

Sabo17
06-01-2005, 11:30 PM
I just cursed at the television, loudly.

Same here..

Aronchis
06-01-2005, 11:30 PM
I'll be shocked if Miley's still around in 3 weeks; I'll be stupefied if DanO's allowed to return next season. $11.5 million dollars tied up in two pitchers sporting 5.23 and 7.05 ERAs.

Ortiz is on a 1 year deal. Wilson is the "other" guy who has a extra year.

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 11:32 PM
Ortiz is on a 1 year deal. Wilson is the "other" guy who has a extra year.

I was highlighting DanO's selections (Ortiz and Milton), but yeah, when you factor in extension of Wilson it jumps to $15 million. :eek:

Edskin
06-01-2005, 11:32 PM
WOY--

Disappointment relies first on expectation.

If you had high expectations for the 2005 Reds OR Howard the Duck, the problem may lie within


:)

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 11:33 PM
I thought Howard The Duck had potential

Puffy
06-01-2005, 11:33 PM
I'll be shocked if Miley's still around in 3 weeks; I'll be stupefied if DanO's allowed to return next season. $11.5 million tied up in two pitchers sporting 5.23 and 7.05 ERAs.

If only I believed that - Dan O will be here thru next year, IMO. He was hired on the premise of restocking the farm and his cool binders. He'll get more time

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 11:36 PM
If only I believed that - Dan O will be here thru next year, IMO. He was hired on the premise of restocking the farm and his cool binders. He'll get more time

The game plan changed: the orders were "field a winner." No way the Reds shell out that kind of cash without expecting a winner.

DanO's like Ahab lashed to Moby Dick (Milton). You know what happened to Ahab don't ya?

westofyou
06-01-2005, 11:38 PM
I thought Howard The Duck had potential

He was scrappier than Raisor on a picnic at Stone Mountain.

westofyou
06-01-2005, 11:39 PM
You know what happened to Ahab don't ya?

http://www.bestfranchiseopportunities.com/franchisor/593/BestContent/captaind3.gif

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 11:41 PM
http://www.bestfranchiseopportunities.com/franchisor/593/BestContent/captaind3.gif

Please.

CTA513
06-01-2005, 11:42 PM
Ortiz didnt look to happy after Mercker gave up that 2 run double....

Tomorrows headline: "Reds Pitcher Kent Mercker Assaulted By Teammate"

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 11:46 PM
http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/nurp/images/nur02005.jpg

westofyou
06-01-2005, 11:49 PM
Nice barnacles on the end of the tail, is that a humpback?

Dick was sperm,

Miley is a pilot whale IIRC

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 11:50 PM
I thought it was...it was...

po-ET-ic.

KronoRed
06-01-2005, 11:51 PM
Pilot whale? like this fellow?
http://www.circe-asso.org/images/image12.jpg

;)

Falls City Beer
06-01-2005, 11:56 PM
Nice barnacles on the end of the tail, is that a humpback?

Dick was sperm,

Miley is a pilot whale IIRC

Moby Dick was an albino sperm whale--discussed at great length in one of the finest pieces of writing put to paper on this continent, the chapter entitled "The Whiteness of the Whale." It's like it was written yesterday with a full understanding of Freud, Lacan, and Jung.

RFS62
06-02-2005, 12:07 AM
Nice barnacles on the end of the tail, is that a humpback?

Dick was sperm,

Miley is a pilot whale IIRC


Nah, Miley is a Clown fish

KronoRed
06-02-2005, 12:16 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39502000/jpg/_39502099_gall-film.jpg