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TRF
06-04-2005, 10:02 PM
Sullivan singles on an 11 pitch AB, and another run scores.

6 runs charged to Harang.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2005, 10:02 PM
There's a reason (several really) why this is my least favorite road trip of the year

jmcclain19
06-04-2005, 10:03 PM
well, the two worst teams in the NL are on the field, and the Rox are smacking the Reds around once again.

What does that tell us.

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:04 PM
Barmes singles, Sullivan to second. this inning will not die.

Aronchis
06-04-2005, 10:04 PM
well, the two worst teams in the NL are on the field, and the Rox are smacking the Reds around once again.

What does that tell us.

They are playing at Coors

KronoRed
06-04-2005, 10:04 PM
well, the two worst teams in the NL are on the field, and the Rox are smacking the Reds around once again.

What does that tell us.

We've found our contraction candidates

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:06 PM
Kearns guns down Sullivan at home!

KronoRed
06-04-2005, 10:06 PM
Ok people..here we go..it's big comeback time..we're gonna crush these AAA pansies :cool:

SirFelixCat
06-04-2005, 10:07 PM
Great gun in RF...nice play Ears. Now let's rally for Harang :)

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:08 PM
I noticed Reggie Sanders has hit his 11th HR. He's having a really nice year.

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:09 PM
Randa flies out to Wilson. 1 out.

ochre
06-04-2005, 10:09 PM
What evidence as of late? The only evidence I can recall was in ST, in which Dunn himself said he wanted to alter his approach with 2 strikes and Chambliss was helping him with that.
We were speculating that people are harping on him about his batting average in spite of the fact he is still making fewer outs than others. His OBP would be the evidence of the "fewer outs" thing. If you want evidence for what we were speculating about, that will be difficult. Speculation is funny like that :)

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:10 PM
Casey flies out to right. 2 outs.

SirFelixCat
06-04-2005, 10:14 PM
Great AB by Jr. to draw a BB. 12 pitches I think.:thumbup:

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:14 PM
12 pitch walk for Junior. Great AB.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2005, 10:15 PM
Very nice AB by Griffey

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:16 PM
5 pitch walk for Dunn.

SirFelixCat
06-04-2005, 10:16 PM
And he wanted nothing to do with Dunner....B2B BB's. come on Ears. Big play in the field = Big hit :)

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2005, 10:16 PM
Dunn walks. Nine straight games with a walk.

flyer85
06-04-2005, 10:16 PM
BTW, the stuff about not walking people at Coors is BS. Want you don't want to do is give in like Harang did to Closser because everybody has extra base power in Coors.

Joseph
06-04-2005, 10:17 PM
Sad sad sad.

SirFelixCat
06-04-2005, 10:17 PM
Angry at Ears....B2B walks and you swing at the first pitch? Come on....Jesus. :mad:

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:17 PM
AK first pitch swinging. out at first.

It's like he wasn't even watching the previous 2 AB's.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2005, 10:18 PM
2 straight walks and Kearns swings....come on, Austin, you know better than that

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:21 PM
Merker in to pitch, K's Helton. 1 out.

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:22 PM
Wilson lines out to Ears... 2 outs.

TeamCasey
06-04-2005, 10:22 PM
Sorry chat Peeps. Technical difficulties.

rdiersin
06-04-2005, 10:22 PM
We were speculating that people are harping on him about his batting average in spite of the fact he is still making fewer outs than others. His OBP would be the evidence of the "fewer outs" thing. If you want evidence for what we were speculating about, that will be difficult. Speculation is funny like that :)

Just asking, because you said the evidence was pointing to that. I guess my point is, if he was being bothered about his avg, then we should expect his OBP to go down, as he adjusts at swinging at more pitches. But that is not the case. In the last 19 games, his OBP is 0.366. A little lower, yes, but not significantly enough to say he has altered his approach. And that is very heavy on BB's. Also, his K's have been about the same (27 K's in 64 AB). It just doesn't jive with me. Seems he is just in a funk right now, not an alteration in his approach.

KronoRed
06-04-2005, 10:23 PM
Sorry chat Peeps. Technical difficulties.
It's ok..we're just talking about you now :D

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:24 PM
Hawpe GO to Aurillia. 3 outs.

Puffy
06-04-2005, 10:26 PM
2 straight walks and Kearns swings....come on, Austin, you know better than that

A 12 pitch walk (which means eight of those pitches were strikes) and a pitch around walk to Dunn and people are angry at Austin for swinging at the first pitch? Its not like he threw 8 straight balls. If Kearns would have roped that pitch no one would have said a word.

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:26 PM
Witasick in to pitch for the Rockies.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2005, 10:27 PM
A 12 pitch walk (which means eight of those pitches were strikes) and a pitch around walk to Dunn and people are angry at Austin for swinging at the first pitch? Its not like he threw 8 straight balls. If Kearns would have roped that pitch no one would have said a word.

I would have at least taken 1...I was always taught to take the 1st pitch

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:27 PM
Did I just hear Marty say RA bluffed a bunt?

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2005, 10:28 PM
Aurilia homers. We will never get him out of the lineup now.

KronoRed
06-04-2005, 10:28 PM
Dan O about to offer Aurilia a long term deal

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:28 PM
RA Homers. 6-5 Rockies. Freel may never start again.

pedro
06-04-2005, 10:29 PM
well well well. ;)

Puffy
06-04-2005, 10:29 PM
I was always taught to take the 1st pitch

I understand - but sometimes the first pitch is the best pitch you are going to get. Plus, if you never swing at the first pitch scouting reports reflect that and pitches take advantage.

I was just pointing out that it wasn't wildness that caused the previous two hitters to walk, it was a great at bat and a pitch around.

Puffy
06-04-2005, 10:30 PM
He is a career .286 hitter at Coors......

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:30 PM
LaRue HBP. The man is a human target.

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:31 PM
Cruz pinch hitting for Merker.

KronoRed
06-04-2005, 10:32 PM
He is a career .286 hitter at Coors......

That's not important, Miley will use this as a reason to start him every night now...it will be no Freel or no Kearns or no Pena..Aurilia. :eek:

TeamBoone
06-04-2005, 10:33 PM
Did I just hear Marty say RA bluffed a bunt?

Yeah, he did. On the first pitch.

ochre
06-04-2005, 10:34 PM
Just asking, because you said the evidence was pointing to that. I guess my point is, if he was being bothered about his avg, then we should expect his OBP to go down, as he adjusts at swinging at more pitches. But that is not the case. In the last 19 games, his OBP is 0.366. A little lower, yes, but not significantly enough to say he has altered his approach. And that is very heavy on BB's. Also, his K's have been about the same (27 K's in 64 AB). It just doesn't jive with me. Seems he is just in a funk right now, not an alteration in his approach.
You are probably right. I think we are all just a little touchy about how they have dealt with him in the past and that the statements that have been made by management paint the picture as somewhat more dire than it really is.

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:34 PM
Cruz walks. LaRue to second. Still nobody out. Romano to pinch run. Good god they are saying FeLo should bunt.

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:35 PM
Witasick has given up a HR, hit a batter and walked one, and Miley wants to give him an out.

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2005, 10:35 PM
:bang: Don't bunt, Felipe.

M2
06-04-2005, 10:35 PM
Felipe's 3-4, Witasick's struggling, you're in Coors and you give him the bunt signal?

Morons.

Aronchis
06-04-2005, 10:36 PM
Well at least we know Miley wants to be fired ;)

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:36 PM
I hate Dave Miley.

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:37 PM
Oh now Marty goes off on FeLo for not getting the bunt down, when he should never have been bunting in the first place.

What a moron.

TeamBoone
06-04-2005, 10:37 PM
Stupid. He shouldn't even have been trying to bunt with no outs and a player in scoring position.

traderumor
06-04-2005, 10:37 PM
Is there no end to the madness :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Puffy
06-04-2005, 10:37 PM
I hate Dave Miley.

You can use loathe © if you need a stronger word :thumbup:

TeamBoone
06-04-2005, 10:37 PM
Oh now Marty goes off on FeLo for not getting the bunt down, when he should never have been bunting in the first place.

What a moron.

You got that right. Bet he didn't mention that though.

Kc61
06-04-2005, 10:37 PM
That was just absurd. Lopez is obviously a lousy bunter. The pitcher is wild. Lopez has three hits. He bunts with two strikes?

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:38 PM
Randa line drive to 2B Romano safe at first.

I hate Dave Miley.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2005, 10:38 PM
Wow...Romano barely got back...but it was a good call

Chip R
06-04-2005, 10:38 PM
For the love of God why are you bunting with your best hitter in Coors Field? :confused:

flyer85
06-04-2005, 10:38 PM
Romano needs a leash and Miley is an idiot for wanting to bunt

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2005, 10:38 PM
I'm *glad* Lopez failed to get that bunt down. Just makes Miley look worse for calling it.

He can't get fired soon enough.

M2
06-04-2005, 10:39 PM
Jason Romano may just be the worst pinch runner in history. He almost got snagged off of first on a soft liner to second.

TeamBoone
06-04-2005, 10:39 PM
For the love of God why are you bunting with your best hitter in Coors Field? :confused:

I can tell ya, Chip.

Redmachine2003
06-04-2005, 10:39 PM
The Management of this team just does't want to win. Miley doesn't have a clue how to manage a team and DanO doesn't have a clue on how to be a GM at least he hasn't shown it.

Puffy
06-04-2005, 10:39 PM
The tying run is in scoring position. There are no outs. Guy at the plate is a lefty. He has three hits already. The guy on deck is a righty (w/ a righty pitching).

And Miley processes this info and concludes bunt.

I loathe the hiring of Dave Miley ©

flyer85
06-04-2005, 10:40 PM
For the love of God why are you bunting with your best hitter in Coors Field? :confused:why are you bunting at Coors field period?

flyer85
06-04-2005, 10:41 PM
The tying run is in scoring position. There are no outs. Guy at the plate is a lefty. He has three hits already. The guy on deck is a righty (w/ a righty pitching).

And Miley processes this info and concludes bunt.

I loathe the hiring of Dave Miley ©the Rocks love it when the opponent actually wants to give them an out

M2
06-04-2005, 10:41 PM
The worst part about it was that even if Felipe had been successful in dropping the bunt, no one would have scored.

Aronchis
06-04-2005, 10:41 PM
The funny thing is that the "bunt" wouldn't have done anything anyhow. Randa would have lined out, Casey would have Dirty Deeded so that would have been that. Miley may have just lost the game for the Reds right there.

Redmachine2003
06-04-2005, 10:41 PM
I'm *glad* Lopez failed to get that bunt down. Just makes Miley look worse for calling it.

He can't get fired soon enough.
No DanO would just Release Lopez. DanO is the First GM to decide you can just fire the whole team and keep the Manager because he doesn't swing the bat. :bang:

traderumor
06-04-2005, 10:42 PM
It is just unfathomable that night after night Miley is making bonehead call after bonehead call. Not second guesses, just flat out supidity. Another possible comeback thwarted by calling for a bunt there. It really just makes you want to scream.

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:44 PM
Casey lines to third. Marty says "They failed again."

By they he means the reds failed, but this was all Miley. You have a pitcher on the ropes like Witasick, then instead of finishing him off, you play to his strengths. You revealy exactly what you want to do, bunt, allowing him to pitch accordingly. You take the bat out of the guy that has three hits on the night against a guy that gave up in order a HR, HBP and a BB.

We'll never know if FeLo could have advanced the runner on his own, but he allowed Witasick to regain his composure and gave an out to him, all on Miley's orders.

sad. I loathe © Dave Miley. Thanks Puffy.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2005, 10:44 PM
I don't know if bunt was a bad idea initially...continuing with it once it was failed twice (heck, once) was

flyer85
06-04-2005, 10:44 PM
you don't play for 1 run in Coors, you always play for the big inning unless it is the 9th you are down one and have a bad hitter at the plate and 1st/2nd with no outs(even questionable then).

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:45 PM
Holliday doubles.

flyer85
06-04-2005, 10:45 PM
Rocks are going to play add on. Sorry Dave, 1 run wasn't going to do it.

traderumor
06-04-2005, 10:45 PM
This year is worse than anything I watched with Bob Boone, and I was dancing in the streets when he was let go.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2005, 10:45 PM
Lopez commits a throwing error.

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:46 PM
Lopez with the throwing error. safe at 1st.

1st and 3rd nobody out.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2005, 10:46 PM
Well, we know who Aurilia will play for tomorrow ;)

flyer85
06-04-2005, 10:46 PM
Rocks are getting the broom ready

Puffy
06-04-2005, 10:47 PM
you don't play for 1 run in Coors, you always play for the big inning unless it is the 9th you are down one and have a bad hitter at the plate and 1st/2nd with no outs(even questionable then).

Right.

The ball carries and the gaps are huge, outfielders have to play deeper to begin with, so moving people over one base at the cost of an out makes little sense. Play for the big inning - a double would have scored two right where they were.

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2005, 10:47 PM
Well, we know who Aurilia will play for tomorrow ;)

I bet Felipe is on the bench tomorrow.

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:47 PM
I don't know if bunt was a bad idea initially...continuing with it once it was failed twice (heck, once) was

Not only was it a bad idea, it was an awful idea. Witasick was getting killed, and had no idea where the strikezone was. He was just itching to put another runner on.

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:48 PM
Gonzales sac fly. 7-5 Rockies.

TeamBoone
06-04-2005, 10:48 PM
He may have made an error, but he also just made a spectacular catch. Way to go Felipe!

traderumor
06-04-2005, 10:48 PM
Right.

The ball carries and the gaps are huge, outfielders have to play deeper to begin with, so moving people over one base at the cost of an out makes little sense. Play for the big inning - a double would have scored two right where they were.C'mon guys, you don't expect the manager to think through all that--oh, wait, that is his job. Never mind. :evil:

Puffy
06-04-2005, 10:49 PM
So now Griffey's home run will only cut the lead in half instead of tying it. Crap.

Kc61
06-04-2005, 10:50 PM
Well, we know who Aurilia will play for tomorrow ;)

If he plays like tonight, RA should be in the lineup.

Aren't the real problems very, very clear?

1. Pitching.

2. Manager.

I must say, the Lopez bunt thing tonight is pretty hard to defend as a managerial decision. Also, Miley seems to always make the wrong pitching selection. Like Coffey tonight. Wagner last night. Just doesn't have the instinct for pitching changes (although he doesn't have the pitchers either).

traderumor
06-04-2005, 10:50 PM
BTW, my curse continues, ahead 4-0 when I turn it on after a viewing of The Aviator. Shortly thereafter, the wheels come off for Harang and Miley still hasn't extracted his head from his butt. And we're out of movies.

traderumor
06-04-2005, 10:51 PM
If he plays like tonight, RA should be in the lineup.

Aren't the real problems very, very clear?

1. Pitching.

2. Manager.

I must say, the Lopez bunt thing tonight is pretty hard to defend. Also, Miley seems to always make the wrong pitching selection. Like Coffey tonight. Wagner last night. Just doesn't have the instinct for pitching changes (although he doesn't have the pitchers either).Aurilia is also pretty hard to defend. Must be a pretty lonely place.

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2005, 10:51 PM
If he plays like tonight, RA should be in the lineup

One good game and he should be the starter? One good game does not make up for 4 bad years. He can't hit without his steroids.

Kc61
06-04-2005, 10:54 PM
One good game and he should be the starter? One good game does not make up for 4 bad years. He can't hit without his steroids.

No, he shouldn't be the starter every day, but I don't mind RA on the team. I do mind about 7 of the pitchers, the manager, the pitching coach, the GM, his assistants. . . .

KronoRed
06-04-2005, 10:54 PM
Lopez commits a throwing error.
Whoever wants RA starting must be throwing a party about now
:(

Matt700wlw
06-04-2005, 10:55 PM
Whoever wants RA starting must be throwing a party about now
:(

Something tells me not too many people are attending.... :party:

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:56 PM
Junior K's

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:56 PM
Dunn K's.

KronoRed
06-04-2005, 10:56 PM
Something tells me not too many people are attending.... :party:

Dave Miley and Dan O are the honored guests :help:

Kc61
06-04-2005, 10:57 PM
Only lost by 2. Good game for the Reds.

Reds Fanatic
06-04-2005, 10:58 PM
Game over. Reds lose 7-5.

TRF
06-04-2005, 10:58 PM
Ears GO to 2nd.

On a side note, I am retiring with a perfect record for PBP at 0-2.

Matt700wlw
06-04-2005, 10:59 PM
When's football?

traderumor
06-04-2005, 10:59 PM
It is official. Lost 4 of 5 to two division cellar dwellers. We are currently the worst team in the NL, and I guess once we play Tampa Bay, we can debate about being the worst team in the majors.

Puffy
06-04-2005, 11:00 PM
4 straight losses - worst record here we come!!! This upcoming Reds D-Rays series should be a real rating grabber.....

ochre
06-04-2005, 11:01 PM
No, he shouldn't be the starter every day, but I don't mind RA on the team. I do mind about 7 of the pitchers, the manager, the pitching coach, the GM, his assistants. . . .
If the manager insists that RA is a starter still, I hate having RA on the team. Not his fault, but it is reality.

REDREAD
06-04-2005, 11:01 PM
M2 deserves mad props for his call on Harang. In the offseason he beleived that Hrang was the one guy on the staff with potential to become a good major league pitcher. I only with the FO had similar instincts.

I agree, it was the best prediction of the offseason.

And he also predicted that if Belise ever made the roster, the season was shot :laugh:

ochre
06-04-2005, 11:02 PM
I'd like to be the first say that it feels like 1981, but I think somebody else beat me to it about 7 months ago or so.

KronoRed
06-04-2005, 11:03 PM
4 straight losses - worst record here we come!!! This upcoming Reds D-Rays series should be a real rating grabber.....

At least Harang is scheduled for Thursday :D

Chip R
06-04-2005, 11:03 PM
The way Miley manages and the way this team plays is just really souring me. We have guys giving up walks and base hits to guys hitting a buck-fifty, starters who give up home runs like Haloween candy, pinch runners who seem to make it their duty to get caught off base, guys who swing at the first pitch against pitchers who are all over the place and the list goes on and on and on. I don't know if firing Miley will change any of this. I doubt it. Still he needs to go. So does DanO and John Allen. It's getting to the point where I'm going to have to adopt a team for the season and follow them because watching the Reds is painful.

Kc61
06-04-2005, 11:04 PM
If the manager insists that RA is a starter still, I hate having RA on the team. Not his fault, but it is reality.

I guess we agree on one thing: Dave Miley.

WVRedsFan
06-04-2005, 11:43 PM
I had to go to a "function" tonight, so I was only able to watch the first inning. The Reds scored four and Harang seemed to be in control. On the way to the party, I listened as Harang struck out the side. I felt confident. I get into the car at 11:00 and hear the score and am not shocked. Then I get on here and read about Lopez bunting and nearly had a stroke.

How much longer do we have to put up with this? How long will they let Miley go? I loathed © Miley's hiring and his extension (even though I made peace with it). Surely, those in charge can see this.

WVRedsFan
06-04-2005, 11:46 PM
ONe more thing. Seg and the callers are giving Felipe hell for not getting the bunt down, never looking at the falacy of the strategy. Someone call the show and set Seg straight. They're also giving Jr. hell for his baserunning blunder. Miley's king and we are only insane. Good grief.

rdiersin
06-04-2005, 11:47 PM
ONe more thing. Seg and the callers are giving Felipe hell for not getting the bunt down, never looking at the falacy of the strategy. Someone call the show and set Seg straight. They're also giving Jr. hell for his baserunning blunder. Miley's king and we are only insane. Good grief.

Funny thing is, if Miley is king, then shouldn't all of the players be able to get the bunt down? Ironic, probably in the wrong sense of the word.

WVPacman
06-05-2005, 12:40 AM
I missed the game so why was Freel not in the lineup?? Is he hurt or is Miley still stuck on starting RA. :rolleyes:

KronoRed
06-05-2005, 01:14 AM
I missed the game so why was Freel not in the lineup?? Is he hurt or is Miley still stuck on starting RA. :rolleyes:

Freel plays too hard to start :help:

GAC
06-05-2005, 05:52 AM
Whoever wants RA starting must be throwing a party about now
:(

I don't think there is anyone who "defends" the Aurilia acquistion that wants him starting. Unless your last name is Miley. ;)

The way Lopez has been hitting the ball the last month - the fact it's Coors Field - and they have him bunting. Ya play for one, and end up with none.

Smart move IMO :rolleyes: