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pedro
06-08-2005, 07:33 PM
Tampa Bay
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
C. Crawford lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .275
J. Lugo ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276
E. Perez 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .258
A. Huff rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .255
D. Hollins cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .318
A. Gonzalez 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
T. Hall c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .318
N. Green 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .280
D. Waechter p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
R. Freel 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .311
J. Randa 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .298
S. Casey 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .317
K. Griffey Jr. 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .271
W. Pena rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .308
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .236
F. Lopez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .299
J. LaRue c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .235
E. Milton p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .227
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 07:34 PM
Lopez still in the 7th hole....last night didn't have success there, but previously had been successful in the 2 hole -- at least he's playing...

I don't know....

RosieRed
06-08-2005, 07:34 PM
OK, I'll ask the obvious:

What's the line on how many HRs Milton will give up tonight?

pedro
06-08-2005, 07:35 PM
I think maybe Dunn should bat 8th. That way he'd walk all the time.

pedro
06-08-2005, 07:36 PM
OK, I'll ask the obvious:

What's the line on how many HRs Milton will give up tonight?

4 (in the first 3 innings)

KronoRed
06-08-2005, 07:36 PM
Why not bat Dunn 9th?

:bang:

RosieRed
06-08-2005, 07:37 PM
Why not bat Dunn 9th?

:bang:

Nah, let's just bench him.

pedro
06-08-2005, 07:38 PM
Why not bat Dunn 9th?

:bang:

Miley should treat it like "playing around" in Gin Rummy. Just move Dunn so far down in the lineup that he eventually ends up batting third.

ochre
06-08-2005, 07:39 PM
Scored a ton of runs against one of the few teams with pitching as bad as the reds, so this must be the best lineup, right?

IslandRed
06-08-2005, 07:39 PM
And I don't care for the in-between approach with Dunn, moving him down to the six hole. Look, if you don't think he can hit lefties, sit him and put Kearns in the lineup. I'd hate that too (because I don't think Dunn should be platooned, for crying out loud) but at least there would be some logic there.

gm
06-08-2005, 07:41 PM
Scored a ton of runs against one of the few teams with pitching as bad as the reds, so this must be the best lineup, right?

But it's not the same without "the sparkplug" (Keisler)

KronoRed
06-08-2005, 07:41 PM
There is no logic in these lineups..it's bat avg driven junk

flyer85
06-08-2005, 07:41 PM
I gave up complaining about the batting order. As long as Miley is the manager this is what it will be like. He has no clue and is unwilling to learn.

knuckler
06-08-2005, 07:42 PM
OK, I'll ask the obvious:

What's the line on how many HRs Milton will give up tonight?

Huff will hit two

pedro
06-08-2005, 07:43 PM
Huff will hit two

good point, I need to make sure I have him starting in fantasy.

Raisor
06-08-2005, 07:44 PM
Well, the GOOD news is that he has the correct starting eight in there.

I'm going to be optimistic for the rest of the day.

smith288
06-08-2005, 07:53 PM
I dont have anymore to add to Mileys rediculous lineups so here is a picture of some guy.


http://www.wolftrax.com/products/bs/images/bs.jpg

Kc61
06-08-2005, 07:55 PM
And I don't care for the in-between approach with Dunn, moving him down to the six hole. Look, if you don't think he can hit lefties, sit him and put Kearns in the lineup. I'd hate that too (because I don't think Dunn should be platooned, for crying out loud) but at least there would be some logic there.

Waechter is a righty.

I think this lineup is just fine. You can quibble that Lopez and Dunn should hit higher but Randa is hot now and Dunn is cold, so I can live with the batting order.

Now, the fellow on the mound for the Reds, that's a cause for concern. . . .

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 08:14 PM
Milton getting hit hard already....

Nice play by Dunn

WVRedsFan
06-08-2005, 08:17 PM
First inning...Milton hit hard but doesn't allow any runs. A near home run, though.

RosieRed
06-08-2005, 08:23 PM
Bottom 1ST B:1 S:3 O:1
Ryan Freel strikes out swinging.

Bottom 1ST B:1 S:3 O:2
Joe Randa strikes out swinging.

Bottom 1ST B:0 S:1 O:2
Sean Casey singles on a line drive to center fielder Damon Hollins.

Bottom 1ST B:2 S:1 O:3
Ken Griffey Jr. flies out to center fielder Damon Hollins.

Chip R
06-08-2005, 08:23 PM
And I don't care for the in-between approach with Dunn, moving him down to the six hole. Look, if you don't think he can hit lefties, sit him and put Kearns in the lineup. I'd hate that too (because I don't think Dunn should be platooned, for crying out loud) but at least there would be some logic there.Amen, brother!

Patrick Bateman
06-08-2005, 08:24 PM
Milton getting hard already....



I beg your pardon.

oneupper
06-08-2005, 08:24 PM
Milton getting hard already....




:eek: :eek:

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 08:26 PM
You all have sick minds.....I like it

HIT hard already......it is now changed and appropriate :eek:

IslandRed
06-08-2005, 08:29 PM
Waechter is a righty.

I think this lineup is just fine. You can quibble that Lopez and Dunn should hit higher but Randa is hot now and Dunn is cold, so I can live with the batting order.

Now, the fellow on the mound for the Reds, that's a cause for concern. . . .

Just goes to show... I didn't even look to see who was pitching. I assumed that keeping Dunn and Lopez moved down was based on the same reasoning as the first time (a left-hander going). My bad.

flyer85
06-08-2005, 08:30 PM
No HRs yet but the Eggs have hit 2 balls off the wall.

Tony Cloninger
06-08-2005, 08:31 PM
:) ........... :D .......... :laugh: ...... :evil: ........

I am at work......cannot let it out.

Raisor
06-08-2005, 08:31 PM
Is that four balls hit to the wall so far in two innings?

RosieRed
06-08-2005, 08:31 PM
Top 2ND B:1 S:1 O:1
Damon Hollins grounds out, pitcher Eric Milton to first baseman Sean Casey.

Top 2ND B:0 S:1 O:1
Alex Gonzalez singles on a ground ball to center fielder Ken GriffeyJr.

Top 2ND B:0 S:3 O:2
Toby Hall strikes out swinging.

Top 2ND B:3 S:1 O:2
Nick Green doubles (6) on a line drive to center fielder Ken GriffeyJr. Alex Gonzalez scores.

Top 2ND B:1 S:0 O:3
Doug Waechter grounds out, shortstop Felipe Lopez to first baseman Sean Casey.

TB 1, Reds 0

oneupper
06-08-2005, 08:31 PM
D-Rays suck...they haven't gotten one over the fence yet!

Tony Cloninger
06-08-2005, 08:32 PM
Cue up AC/DC...."Balls to the wall."

Joseph
06-08-2005, 08:35 PM
Cue up AC/DC...."Balls to the wall."

I thought that was Accept

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 08:35 PM
Wily Mo!!

Joseph
06-08-2005, 08:36 PM
HR Wily Mo!

RosieRed
06-08-2005, 08:36 PM
How nice of WMP to homer on his bobblehead night!

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 08:36 PM
Wily Mo Pena is very very strong.

Tony Cloninger
06-08-2005, 08:37 PM
Welcome back Willy.

I thought it was AC/DC..... I could be wrong....anyone? :help:

Raisor
06-08-2005, 08:37 PM
Just FYI, the Ray's play by play guy's last name is "Staats", which is a pretty good baseball name.

KronoRed
06-08-2005, 08:38 PM
Go Wily Mo :clap:

Eric_Davis
06-08-2005, 08:38 PM
As far as the lineup discussion, I don't care how the lineup is arranged, as long as Aurilia isn't in it.

That was a great lineup last night, and to see it repeated, I'm shocked. I didn't think Miley was capable of making a good decision.

Should get five runs out of this lineup tonight.

C'mon, Milton. Toss a quality start tonight (six+ innings w/ 3 earned runs or less).

RosieRed
06-08-2005, 08:40 PM
Bottom 2ND B:2 S:2 O:0
Wily Mo Pena homers (7) on a fly ball to center field.

Bottom 2ND B:3 S:1 O:1
Adam Dunn flies out to left fielder Carl Crawford.

Bottom 2ND B:0 S:0 O:2
Felipe Lopez flies out to left fielder Carl Crawford.

Bottom 2ND B:2 S:0 O:3
Jason LaRue flies out to center fielder Damon Hollins.

Eric_Davis
06-08-2005, 08:41 PM
C'mon, Milton.

1-2-3 inning (outs) ;)

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 08:42 PM
Welcome back Willy.

I thought it was AC/DC..... I could be wrong....anyone? :help:

Accept - Balls to the Wall
AC-DC - Ballbreaker

Tony Cloninger
06-08-2005, 08:44 PM
What can i say.....i was listening to Black Flag....Circle Jerks and the Germs when those songs were big. No long haired metal for me!

Eric_Davis
06-08-2005, 08:45 PM
Milton just has no control, whatsoever.

The guy has to be injured, or there's something dreadfully wrong with his mechanics.

I think Gullett's been spoon-fed so many horrible pitchers over the years, that he's completely forgotten what a good pitcher looks like. He needs a change of scenery.

Joseph
06-08-2005, 08:46 PM
I could easily have missed some AC/DC songs, but I thought they had the song "Big Balls' and Accept had "Balls to the Wall'

Joseph
06-08-2005, 08:47 PM
Accept - Balls to the Wall
AC-DC - Ballbreaker

That too. Forgot Ballbreaker

RosieRed
06-08-2005, 08:47 PM
Top 3RD B:0 S:0 O:1
Carl Crawford flies out to center fielder Ken GriffeyJr.

Top 3RD B:1 S:2 O:2
Julio Lugo flies out to center fielder Ken GriffeyJr.

Top 3RD B:4 S:0 O:2
Eduardo Perez walks.

Top 3RD B:2 S:3 O:3
Aubrey Huff strikes out swinging.

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 08:48 PM
What can i say.....i was listening to Black Flag....Circle Jerks and the Germs when those songs were big. No long haired metal for me!

http://www.entertainmentandvideo.com/Entertainment/Bands/Hair_Guitar/HairGuitar.jpg

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 08:49 PM
I could easily have missed some AC/DC songs, but I thought they had the song "Big Balls' and Accept had "Balls to the Wall'

AC/DC did "Big Balls"

Eric_Davis
06-08-2005, 08:51 PM
When Milton throws a ball, it's not even close to the strikezone, and when he throws a strike, it's dead-center middle of the zone.

There's got to be a mechanical reason for him to be that horrible. He's not a bad pitcher.

We need a new pitching coach.

Wholesale firing of management throughout the organization, but it will have to be during the offseason when contracts are up with coaches from other clubs.

Aronchis
06-08-2005, 08:51 PM
I loved Accept. They were a darker, meaner version of AC/DC.

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 08:53 PM
That too. Forgot Ballbreaker

Ballbreaker
Big Balls
Snowballed
She's Got Balls
Got You by the Balls

Songs by AC-DC. :rockband:

Eric_Davis
06-08-2005, 08:54 PM
Can Waechter hold a wunner?

red-in-la
06-08-2005, 08:54 PM
Would you guys consider discussing Chicago or Three Dog Night?

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 08:55 PM
The loathed one Homers...

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 08:55 PM
Would you guys consider discussing Chicago or Three Dog Night?

"Jerimiah Was a Bullfrog...was a good friend of mine

I never understood a single word he said, but I helped him drink his wine..."

Joseph
06-08-2005, 08:55 PM
HR Randa!

Joseph
06-08-2005, 08:56 PM
Would you guys consider discussing Chicago or Three Dog Night?

I used to confuse Peter Cetera and the guy who played Sledge Hammer.

Marc D
06-08-2005, 08:56 PM
When Milton throws a ball, it's not even close to the strikezone, and when he throws a strike, it's dead-center middle of the zone.

There's got to be a mechanical reason for him to be that horrible. He's not a bad pitcher.

We need a new pitching coach.

Wholesale firing of management throughout the organization, but it will have to be during the offseason when contracts are up with coaches from other clubs.

I'm no fan of Gullet but I can't blame Miltons implosion on him. The guys a ML pitcher for goodness sake. He should be capable of performing at a certain basic level no matter who the pitching coach is.

red-in-la
06-08-2005, 08:56 PM
And he always had some mighty fine wine......Joy to the World! Thanks Matt.....I was beginning to think I was the only one over 30 here.

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 08:57 PM
And he always had some mighty fine wine......Joy to the World! Thanks Matt.....I was beginning to think I was the only one over 30 here.

You may be...but I listen to every kind of music out there (pretty much)...newer and stuff way before my time

Tony Cloninger
06-08-2005, 08:58 PM
MAN....that is horrible.... :laugh:

No wonder grunge came in.

red-in-la
06-08-2005, 08:59 PM
I'm no fan of Gullet but I can't blame Miltons implosion on him. The guys a ML pitcher for goodness sake. He should be capable of performing at a certain basic level no matter who the pitching coach is.

But IF your pitching coach tells him to shorten his stride, or some such thingy and it screws the pitcher up, what is the player to do? Coach definitely have a purpose and influence.

I am a strident Gully fan, but I do believe that years upon years of woeful performance need to be blamed on somebody.....the ONLY constant has been Gullett.

Puffy
06-08-2005, 09:00 PM
Joe Randa hit that homer, but he needs to thank Miley and Freel for it. Waechter was so worried about Freel and the 1-1 "great running count" that he rushed to the plate and grooved a slider.

Speed can be such a weapon, even without steals.

Tony Cloninger
06-08-2005, 09:01 PM
Just like Mike Brown was the one constant......Gullett has been the same thing for the Reds.

Eric_Davis
06-08-2005, 09:03 PM
I like Gullett, but I truly think he's been in this organization so long, he no longer recognizes good pitching, or knows how to help it.

Gullett needs a change of scenery.

I'd like to see some fresh blood from winning organizations who haven't had a chance to be coaches. Promotions to REDS' positions from outside the organization, I would welcome.

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 09:04 PM
Would you guys consider discussing Chicago or Three Dog Night?

Can't do that. Neither wrote a song with the word balls in it. :)

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/PhantomArt/185292.jpg

red-in-la
06-08-2005, 09:05 PM
I hate to say this, but outside of the order of the hitters, and the fact that LaRue is still in it, I really like this line up.

I am in the camp that would switch Lopez and Randa. Randa, seems to me, has only been effective so far when he has hit it out. He can do that from 2nd or 7th in the order. I want two fairly fast .300 hitters at the top of my line up.

Also, does anybody agree that Freel seems much more comfortable in the field right now, now that he starts everyday at 2nd. He just seems to be much more deliberate and relaxed.

Eric_Davis
06-08-2005, 09:06 PM
A 1-2-3 inning by Milton.

Nice job. And his pitches were a little tighter on the edge of the strike zone.

Probably luck, as I doubt he all of a sudden improved his mechanics between innings.

That Colorado outing by Milton wasn't bad. He also had a decent start before that. He's got to step up and dominate these bad teams. That's what he's getting paid for, as you said, regardless of the hitting coach.

Pete Rose didn't wait for the right coach to come along to fix his mechanics...he worked on it himself til he got it right (which was every day).

Marc D
06-08-2005, 09:06 PM
Just like Mike Brown was the one constant......Gullett has been the same thing for the Reds.

I can buy that and I was in no means defending Gullet.

I'm just saying that if I was a ML pitcher and had a track record of at least moderate success and a new coach changes things and I get shelled like Milton has, well then screw his teaching I'm going back to what I've been doing my whole life.

What's he gonna do not start Milton or yank him for his mechanics?

red-in-la
06-08-2005, 09:07 PM
Can't do that. Neither wrote a song with the word balls in it. :)

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/PhantomArt/185292.jpg

But oh man....Saturday, in the park, I think it was the fourth of July...... :D

Eric_Davis
06-08-2005, 09:08 PM
Joe Randa hit that homer, but he needs to thank Miley and Freel for it. Waechter was so worried about Freel and the 1-1 "great running count" that he rushed to the plate and grooved a slider.

Speed can be such a weapon, even without steals.

I agree. There was a lot of Freel on that homer...and I've got to think something working between Freel and Randa....sort of a Freeling.

Marc D
06-08-2005, 09:09 PM
I agree. There was a lot of Freel on that homer...and I've got to think something working between Freel and Randa....sort of a Freeling.

Yeah if we keep winning Miley might get hooked on a Freeling. ;)

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 09:09 PM
Yeah if we keep winning Miley might get hooked on a Freeling. ;)

The Reds will start Freelin' Stronger Every Day

Tony Cloninger
06-08-2005, 09:10 PM
I just think Milton's confidence is less than 0 ( well duh! :laugh: )
and it seems like anything gets him down and he loses his composure...and since his stuff is avg to begin with....he cannot just coast by or get away with it. Short of throwing RH...i am sure they have tried everything to both fix it.

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 09:10 PM
But oh man....Saturday, in the park, I think it was the fourth of July...... :D

Took me a minute to find that one. Glad you like it.

Puffy
06-08-2005, 09:10 PM
I hate to say this, but outside of the order of the hitters, and the fact that LaRue is still in it, I really like this line up.

I am in the camp that would switch Lopez and Randa. Randa, seems to me, has only been effective so far when he has hit it out. He can do that from 2nd or 7th in the order. I want two fairly fast .300 hitters at the top of my line up.

Also, does anybody agree that Freel seems much more comfortable in the field right now, now that he starts everyday at 2nd. He just seems to be much more deliberate and relaxed.

I agree with all this. Great post r-i-l :thumbup:

Eric_Davis
06-08-2005, 09:11 PM
Well, that didn't last long. Milton is right back to throwing balls way outside the zone, and dropping strikes into the middle of the zone.

Puffy
06-08-2005, 09:11 PM
Leadoff walks kill.

Just sayin'

red-in-la
06-08-2005, 09:12 PM
I can buy that and I was in no means defending Gullet.

I'm just saying that if I was a ML pitcher and had a track record of at least moderate success and a new coach changes things and I get shelled like Milton has, well then screw his teaching I'm going back to what I've been doing my whole life.

What's he gonna do not start Milton or yank him for his mechanics?

Good point Marc, but some players aren't like that.....they have fragile mechanics and they need constant help. Remember that JR has to call Dad now and then.

Also, a pitcher can get squeezed by his manager. Like Miley said they told Milton to throw more curve balls and to throw a sinker (he has not used before).

What does a pitcher being paid 7 mill a year do when his boss says to do something? I am not sure what Milton has done.

But the guy was 14-6 for the Phillies last year.....he is capable of winning ball games.

Tony Cloninger
06-08-2005, 09:13 PM
Milton is basically pithcing like John Smiley did in 1993.....and Smiley was hurt.

I do not remeber how long it took them to figure that one out or if they just avoided the whole thing.

Eric_Davis
06-08-2005, 09:14 PM
What happened?

Why is Waechter on first?

Eric_Davis
06-08-2005, 09:15 PM
Milton needs to have a long conversation with Tom Treblehorn. He knows pitching, even though he was his manager.

Puffy
06-08-2005, 09:15 PM
What happened?

Why is Waechter on first?

He bunted, Larue tried to get the runner at second, and got neither.

Thats a fielders choice (man, I hope that doesn't start another discussion :devil: )

FlyingPig
06-08-2005, 09:16 PM
Chicago was a great band back in the pre-Cetera years...Terry Kath was awesome..


And they had an song called "Old Days"...


As a Red's fan I can relate..

Old dayssssssssss...
Good times I rememberrrrrrrrr..
Old daysssssss
Times I'll always treasureeeeeee..

dang...now I feel sad..

:cry:

Puffy
06-08-2005, 09:16 PM
Did I mention that leadoff walks kill?

Tony Cloninger
06-08-2005, 09:16 PM
It's a sacrifice!!! I will draw charts and diagrams to prove it. :evil:

Joseph
06-08-2005, 09:18 PM
Full, no one out.

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 09:18 PM
Eric Milton is beginning to crumble.

Shocker.

Aronchis
06-08-2005, 09:18 PM
I wonder if this is the last of Eric Milton for awhile. Maybe a extended vacation like Wilson has had, may be coming.

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 09:19 PM
I knew that was going to happen..... :angry: :rant: :bang:

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 09:19 PM
I wonder if this is the last of Eric Milton for awhile. Maybe a extended vacation like Wilson has had, may be coming.

Doubt it. He's their "go to guy"

Joseph
06-08-2005, 09:20 PM
I hate thinking this guy has to turn it around sometime, he always lets me down.

FlyingPig
06-08-2005, 09:20 PM
Yep..there's the home run we were all waiting for..

He just waited until he was able to load the bases before he gave it up..

Puffy
06-08-2005, 09:20 PM
Yeah, leadoff walks really kill.

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 09:20 PM
Yep. Baseballs flying all over the park.

That's the Eric Milton I know and loathe.

Marc D
06-08-2005, 09:21 PM
No matter how bad a team they are you simply cannot throw down the middle to a major league hitter. This creates serious problems for pitchers who cannot throw a strike any other way.

SirFelixCat
06-08-2005, 09:21 PM
Happy Birthday to me...God I hate Eric Milton the pitcher....screw loathe....HATE. :disgusted:

MWM
06-08-2005, 09:21 PM
Cut Milton some slack. He's battling out there.

RFS62
06-08-2005, 09:21 PM
Eric makes me feel really small

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 09:21 PM
Cut Milton some slack. He's battling out there.

Plus he's had some good pitches....

SirFelixCat
06-08-2005, 09:22 PM
If he makes his next 2 starts, I'm quitting. Period.

Marc D
06-08-2005, 09:25 PM
I don't know what you guys are going on about. Dave had a meeting today and told them to focus on getting runners over and getting them in from 3B with less than 2 outs. Thats obviously the main problem here and Dave and his staff are on it, sometimes I just can't figure out why you guys get so bent out of shape.

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 09:26 PM
A bases loaded big "sigh".

It's good to see a Perez driving in runs in Cincy again though. Thanks to FSN Florida for that one.

red-in-la
06-08-2005, 09:28 PM
No matter how bad a team they are you simply cannot throw down the middle to a major league hitter. This creates serious problems for pitchers who cannot throw a strike any other way.

Since when is Eduardo Perez a ML hitter? This is putrid. :help: :help:

MWM
06-08-2005, 09:28 PM
Milton's ERA is now up to 7.46.

wheels
06-08-2005, 09:29 PM
Eric Milton is Eric Milton.

I don't blame him, I blame DanO.

wheels
06-08-2005, 09:30 PM
Of course, 7.46 isn't Eric Milton.

That could be the whole "Pitch to Contact" thingy.

And Don Gullett.

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 09:31 PM
I just blame everybody all the way around

...that is the last time I have faith in their free agent aquistions for the sake of trusting the GM...

Aronchis
06-08-2005, 09:32 PM
Eric Milton is Eric Milton.

I don't blame him, I blame DanO.

No it is not Eric Milton. He is a mess this season that makes him look like CY in past years. Something is wrong with him obviously.

wheels
06-08-2005, 09:34 PM
Of course, 7.46 isn't Eric Milton.

That could be the whole "Pitch to Contact" thingy.

And Don Gullett.

Yeah...

That's why I wrote this right after I made my earlier post.

flyer85
06-08-2005, 09:34 PM
good thing that Milton guy only gives up solo HRs

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 09:35 PM
good thing that Milton guy only gives up solo HRs

Then we count that one as 4

IslandRed
06-08-2005, 09:35 PM
No it is not Eric Milton. He is a mess this season that makes him look like CY in past years. Something is wrong with him obviously.

Obviously. If he was pitching to career norms (barely under 5 ERA with 200 or so IP for the season) he'd still be way overpaid but at least he'd be keeping us in most ballgames.

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 09:36 PM
Ricky Stone in now...

Marc D
06-08-2005, 09:39 PM
And now we see another trait of a losing organization, they offer absolutely no resistance when its their turn to answer what TB just did.

I know its tough to keep a good attitude when Miltons out there throwing BP every night but regardless, its a managers job to keep a team playing hard and keep them mentally tough. These guys roll over more than my daughters bassett hound. Losing has become the accepted norm.

flyer85
06-08-2005, 09:39 PM
Marty ::"How can in good conscience can they run Milton out there every 5th day?"

The problem is they don't advance runners and run out ground balls, when will people learn

Joseph
06-08-2005, 09:41 PM
Obviously. If he was pitching to career norms (barely under 5 ERA with 200 or so IP for the season) he'd still be way overpaid but at least he'd be keeping us in most ballgames.

And I think that's why he was signed, overpriced or not, but he hasn't performed well save maybe 3 games.

wheels
06-08-2005, 09:43 PM
Marty ::"How can in good conscience can they run Milton out there every 5th day?"

The problem is they don't advance runners and run out ground balls, when will people learn

Yeah, and Adam Dunn had a vibrating chair, and doesn't hit sac flies.

....Oh yeah, they're a poor fundamental team, too.

Geesh.

smith288
06-08-2005, 09:45 PM
The pitchers are pitching fundamentally sound if this was little league.

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 09:46 PM
LOL @Pena!

LINEDRIVER
06-08-2005, 09:47 PM
Like Miley said last week ..... Milton is our 'go to' guy.
As in, if the fans don't like it, they can 'go to' hell.

smith288
06-08-2005, 09:48 PM
Methinks Wily was a tad ansy that whole at bat

flyer85
06-08-2005, 09:49 PM
orvella is very good pitcher

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 09:50 PM
Dunn K's...

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 09:50 PM
Dunn's a tad antsy as well. He knows better than to swing at those last two pitches.

Joseph
06-08-2005, 09:51 PM
Marty really loves Adam.

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 09:51 PM
Lopez singles and drives in Casey. 7-4 D-Rays

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 09:52 PM
And now Griffey gets himself picked off at 2B. LOL!

Virginia Beach Reds
06-08-2005, 09:52 PM
And Griffey is picked off second by 5 feet. He was sleeping out there and was made foolish by the Rays!

BOOOO DANNY GRAVES!

LINEDRIVER
06-08-2005, 09:52 PM
Is Dunn trying to get traded??

RFS62
06-08-2005, 09:52 PM
I've noticed lately that we kind of suck.

LvJ
06-08-2005, 09:53 PM
What the...

realreds1
06-08-2005, 09:53 PM
Someone describe what Griffey just did. I'm flying blind tonight. No radio or tv.

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 09:53 PM
Junior was snoozing...he must miss that chair!

realreds1
06-08-2005, 09:54 PM
Junior was snoozing...he must miss that chair!

Heat of an early summer?

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 09:54 PM
And now Griffey gets himself picked off at 2B. LOL!

Somebody had to miss a call on that, don't you think? I mean, it was ugly and not even close.

wheels
06-08-2005, 09:54 PM
I've noticed lately that we kind of suck.

:laugh:

Lately?

flyer85
06-08-2005, 09:54 PM
I've noticed lately that we kind of suck.Giving up 6 run innings will do that. 4 times in the last 5 games

Marc D
06-08-2005, 09:54 PM
Once again this team doesn't miss a chance to make a mental mistake. Their consistency is amazing. Wonder where they are getting this from?

Virginia Beach Reds
06-08-2005, 09:55 PM
Someone describe what Griffey just did. I'm flying blind tonight. No radio or tv.

LaRue flailed at the first pitch (what's new) and snap throw to second by Rays catcher Hall picked off Jr. by 5 feet at second. Jr. slid but the 2nd baseman was waiting on him with the ball. It was an ugly, rally kiling play. Oh well, LaRue would have K'd anyways, per usual.

flyer85
06-08-2005, 09:55 PM
Somebody had to miss a call on that, don't you think?Like what? There were two outs.

wheels
06-08-2005, 09:55 PM
Is Dunn trying to get traded??

How's that?

I would think that if he wanted out, he'd be mashing his guts out.

Virginia Beach Reds
06-08-2005, 09:56 PM
LOL @ Pena. Nice track of that ball in RF. PEE YOOO.

BOOOO DANNY GRAVES!

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 09:57 PM
Somebody had to miss a call on that, don't you think? I mean, it was ugly and not even close.

No. I just think that Griffey was trying to get a jump to be able to score. He saw Larue swing, anticipated contact, and got caught dead.

Almost as ugly as Pena allowing that ball to drop in RF just now.

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 09:57 PM
LaRue flailed at the first pitch (what's new) and snap throw to second by Rays catcher Hall picked off Jr. by 5 feet at second. Jr. slid but the 2nd baseman was waiting on him with the ball. It was an ugly, rally kiling play. Oh well, LaRue would have K'd anyways, per usual.


Larue has the best batting average on the team with RISP....

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 09:57 PM
Like what? There were two outs.

I don't know, like don't stray to far off second base. :)

IslandRed
06-08-2005, 09:57 PM
orvella is very good pitcher

Just checked his minor-league numbers. Two years after being drafted out of N.C. State in the 13th round, all coming out of the pen:

111 IP
15 ER
1.22 ERA
160 K
17 BB

Yes, that's right: a 13.0 K/9 and a 9.4 K/BB. PECOTA must have spit this guy out and said "you gotta be kidding."

realreds1
06-08-2005, 09:58 PM
LaRue flailed at the first pitch (what's new) and snap throw to second by Rays catcher Hall picked off Jr. by 5 feet at second. Jr. slid but the 2nd baseman was waiting on him with the ball. It was an ugly, rally kiling play. Oh well, LaRue would have K'd anyways, per usual.

YEESH. Glad I'm blind tonight!

wheels
06-08-2005, 09:59 PM
Larue has the best batting average on the team with RISP....

What does that tell you about that stat?

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:00 PM
Just checked his minor-league numbers. Two years after being drafted out of N.C. State in the 13th round, all coming out of the pen:

111 IP
15 ER
1.22 ERA
160 K
17 BB

Yes, that's right: a 13.0 K/9 and a 9.4 K/BB. PECOTA must have spit this guy out and said "you gotta be kidding."he will shortly be the closer. Yhey are likely to trade Baez

realreds1
06-08-2005, 10:01 PM
So, who has Keisler coming up with two men on... to deliver the tying shot of jack?

I can hope, right?

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:01 PM
What does that tell you about that stat?that it doesn't mean a lot for use in identifying a good hitter

Marc D
06-08-2005, 10:01 PM
What does that tell you about that stat?

Its the kind sportswriters and announcers cling to?

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 10:02 PM
ESPN showing highlights and showing on the screen that the Devil Rays are seeking back to back road wins for the first time this season..

..shows how much they pay attention.....the Reds won last night

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:02 PM
another GS?

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 10:02 PM
No. I just think that Griffey was trying to get a jump to be able to score. He saw Larue swing, anticipated contact, and got caught dead.

Almost as ugly as Pena allowing that ball to drop in RF just now.

Yea', I just saw the replay and Flyer85 busted me in kangaroo court for not remembering how many outs there were.

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 10:02 PM
Double switch...Wags to pitch and Aurilia coming in (not sure where)

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:03 PM
Its the kind sportswriters and announcers cling to?you could tell Marty hadn't checked that ahead of time because he was a bit speechless after reading that Larue leads the Reds in that stat

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 10:04 PM
Aurilia in for Lopez

Marc D
06-08-2005, 10:04 PM
Watch him take Pena out for his defense when we're down by 3 and counting.

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:05 PM
Double switch...Wags to pitch and Aurilia coming in (not sure where)SS. Why not use Wags to start the inning?

LINEDRIVER
06-08-2005, 10:05 PM
after Tampa Bay leaves town, the Reds will battle Baltimore, Boston, Atlanta, and St. Louis. IMO, the Reds will be lucky to win 3 of those 13 games. Will Miley survive that mess?

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 10:05 PM
Game on ESPN 2 as "Bonus Coverage"

Enjoy it's temporary showing!!!

Marc D
06-08-2005, 10:06 PM
He shouldn't survive this mess. Anyone have a good reason why you take a potent bat out for Aurilia down by multiple runs?

DoogMinAmo
06-08-2005, 10:06 PM
The irony of a Sacrifice Fly to Adam Dunn on a scale of 1- 10?

GAC
06-08-2005, 10:07 PM
It's good to see that Miton has cut down on his Hrs given in this game. Only one!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sooooo glad he won't be pitching Friday when we all go down to the game.

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 10:07 PM
He shouldn't survive this mess. Anyone have a good reason why you take a potent bat out for Aurilia down by multiple runs?

Rich knows how to win

traderumor
06-08-2005, 10:07 PM
TB, worst record in the majors, being applauded for being fundamentally sound. Sort of like telling someone their blind date has a nice personality.

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:07 PM
after Tampa Bay leaves town, the Reds will battle Baltimore, Boston, Atlanta, and St. Louis. IMO, the Reds will be lucky to win 3 of those 13 games. Will Miley survive that mess?it doesn't matter. Until DanO leaves things won't be getting better

traderumor
06-08-2005, 10:08 PM
16 runs in two nights to Tampa Bay :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Tony Cloninger
06-08-2005, 10:09 PM
Any excuse to bring Rich in....... :thumbup:

LINEDRIVER
06-08-2005, 10:10 PM
DanO and Miley ...flip a coin to see who resigns first!!!

Virginia Beach Reds
06-08-2005, 10:10 PM
after Tampa Bay leaves town, the Reds will battle Baltimore, Boston, Atlanta, and St. Louis. IMO, the Reds will be lucky to win 3 of those 13 games. Will Miley survive that mess?

:pray: Let's hope not.

Marc D
06-08-2005, 10:10 PM
Any excuse to bring Rich in....... :thumbup:

I honestly wonder if Dave understands we've left Colorado?

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:11 PM
16 runs in two nights to Tampa Bay :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:good thing pitching isn't the problem

LvJ
06-08-2005, 10:12 PM
Oh my god. Did he just...? Did he just double switch Lopez out of the game?

WHY ARE WE CARRYING 50 PITCHERS IF YOU'RE GONNA USE THE SAME CRAP EVERY NIGHT.

jmcclain19
06-08-2005, 10:12 PM
Give the Reds credit guys.

Anything worth doing at all, is something worth doing well.

If you're going to stink it up out there, get your priorites right.

Get your ducks in a row.

Make sure you play the worst team in each league in back to back series, and go out and put out a real doozie of an effort to make sure you're the worst team in baseball. That's getting your stuff together and doing it the right way.

Don't give it any margin of error.

traderumor
06-08-2005, 10:12 PM
good thing pitching isn't the problemBTW, was anyone trying to bunt when Griffey got picked off so we can blame it on them too?

traderumor
06-08-2005, 10:13 PM
Oh my god. Did he just...? Did he just double switch Lopez out of the game?

WHY ARE WE CARRYING 50 PITCHERS IF YOU'RE GONNA USE THE SAME CRAP EVERY NIGHT.Um, yes. Boy, nothing gets by ole Dave.

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 10:14 PM
LaRue just went deep if anyone is interested.

LaRue is :rockband:

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:14 PM
Oh my god. Did he just...? Did he just double switch Lopez out of the game?

WHY ARE WE CARRYING 50 PITCHERS IF YOU'RE GONNA USE THE SAME CRAP EVERY NIGHT.Ramirez Coffey and Belisle have hardly pitched the last week. If they aren't going to use them then why are they here?

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 10:15 PM
Ramirez Coffey and Belisle have hardly pitched the last week. If they aren't going to use them then why are they here?

So they can learn from the veteran guys on how to win...

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 10:18 PM
Miley. Dude. You're down by four Runs in the 7th Inning and you're going to send the baserunner (H&R, R&H- no matter) with one Out??

You are friggin' nuts.

And if you didn't do it, then Freel is friggin' nuts.

Either way, someone's mighty dumb.

Marc D
06-08-2005, 10:18 PM
The little amusing things that keep me going;

Picturing Miley sitting in the dougout with a sly grin on his face thinking he's got them right where he wants them, down by 5 and Aurilia coming in. "Almost feel sorry for the poor dumb ____ers" he tells himself. Thanks his lucky stars he's got a weapon like Aurilia. After all the guy hit 37 HR's a few years ago....

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 10:18 PM
The D-Rays just lost that lovin' Freelin'. 1st to 3rd on an infield groundball. Now that was sweet!

oneupper
06-08-2005, 10:19 PM
The D-Rays just lost that lovin' Freelin'. 1st to 3rd on an infield groundball. Now that was sweet!

Reckless is more like it...with two outs?

Puffy
06-08-2005, 10:19 PM
Terrible at bat by Casey. Up in the count 1-0 and he puts a "contact" swing on a low and outside change up.

Instead of looking for a pitch to drive, he just tries to make contact there. Not good with two outs and a man on third.

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 10:19 PM
The little amusing things that keep me going;

Picturing Miley sitting in the dougout with a sly grin on his face thinking he's got them right where he wants them, down by 5 and Aurilia coming in. "Almost feel sorry for the poor dumb ____ers" he tells himself. Thanks his lucky stars he's got a weapon like Aurilia. After all the guy hit 37 HR's a few years ago....

No...he's saying... "there, that should keep Dan off my back for another day..."

LvJ
06-08-2005, 10:20 PM
So they can learn from the veteran guys on how to win... :ughmamoru

Marc D
06-08-2005, 10:21 PM
No...he's saying... "there, that should keep Dan off my back for another day..."

or "look at the pretty kitty" its just tough to tell with dave.

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:22 PM
Steve Kelly - 7IP 6H 1ER 2BB 3Ks

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 10:23 PM
Steve Kelly - 7IP 6H 1ER 2BB 3Ks


Milton....ah, it's to painful to look up

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 10:24 PM
Reckless is more like it...with two outs?

Oh yea', it was a bad baseball move, no doubt. But come on, the fan in you had to love it. Right?

Marc D
06-08-2005, 10:26 PM
Milton....ah, it's to painful to look up


5 IP 8H 7ER :help:

LvJ
06-08-2005, 10:27 PM
Steve Kelly - 7IP 6H 1ER 2BB 3Ks :beerme:

Big Klu
06-08-2005, 10:29 PM
So what's the score now?

Joseph
06-08-2005, 10:29 PM
Steve Kelly - 7IP 6H 1ER 2BB 3Ks

Bring him up.

Marc D
06-08-2005, 10:29 PM
9-5 Rays mid 8th

oneupper
06-08-2005, 10:30 PM
Oh yea', it was a bad baseball move, no doubt. But come on, the fan in you had to love it. Right?

Yep...just like on the sandlot!

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:33 PM
just aren't going to win often when you give up 9 runs. Not even against the Rays.

I am glad that Milton is a proven winner. Otherwise he might be 1-10 instead of 3-8

MWM
06-08-2005, 10:37 PM
I am glad that Milton is a proven winner.

Ain't that the truth. How many times did we hear that this offseason?

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 10:37 PM
Good lord. AWFUL strike call on that pitch. Ridiculous.

Marc D
06-08-2005, 10:39 PM
Willy Mo 2-4 with a dinger. This kids growth given his situation is simply amazing.

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:39 PM
too bad Pena wasn't in scoring position

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 10:39 PM
Adam Bomb!!!

MWM
06-08-2005, 10:39 PM
Just for the record, there wasn't a runner in scoring position for Dunn's HR.

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 10:40 PM
Yep...just like on the sandlot!

I've seen better baseball on the sandlot actually.

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 10:40 PM
Two pitches before Dunn hit that Home Run, this is what the Tampa Bay announcer said:

"You have to respect the power of Adam Dunn, but you have to pitch to contact here. You don't want additional baserunners..."

And JUST NOW, the announcer basically said that the Home Run was better than walking Dunn because you didn't want another guy on base so the next hitter could hit a three Run HR.

I can't make that stuff up.

Big Klu
06-08-2005, 10:40 PM
Is that four taters for the Reds tonight?

oneupper
06-08-2005, 10:41 PM
REDS are fighting for Miley's job here...

Just don't know if that is a good thing... : :confused:

Marc D
06-08-2005, 10:42 PM
Brusied ego aside how about Dunn batting 3rd, Pena 4th and Jr 5th??

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 10:42 PM
Cruz HR!!

oneupper
06-08-2005, 10:43 PM
Is that four taters for the Reds tonight?

That would be FIVE now... Pena, Randa, LaRue, Dunn and Cruz

Falls City Beer
06-08-2005, 10:43 PM
REDS are fighting for Miley's job here...

Just don't know if that is a good thing... : :confused:

If they're fighting for Miley's job, then they REALLY must hate DanO.

Tony Cloninger
06-08-2005, 10:43 PM
:laugh: .........Yeah....that next hitter is who? Cruz? Kearns?

I thought it was RA actually ....so it's not that funny.......but that was really a stupid thing to say by the announcer.

Puffy
06-08-2005, 10:43 PM
Two pitches before Dunn hit that Home Run, this is what the Tampa Bay announcer said:

"You have to respect the power of Adam Dunn, but you have to pitch to contact here. You don't want additional baserunners..."

And JUST NOW, the announcer basically said that the Home Run was better than walking Dunn because you didn't want another guy on base so the next hitter could hit a three Run HR.

I can't make that stuff up.

And what did the next hitter do Mr. Smarty Pants?? Thats right he homered. So the announcer was spot on

:mooner:

Big Klu
06-08-2005, 10:44 PM
That would be FIVE now... Pena, Randa, LaRue, Dunn and Cruz

Thanks! I'm blind tonight--not on TV, and I'm unable to pick it up on radio.

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 10:44 PM
LOL! And, almost as if fate were trying to bust the Tampa announcer in the chops, Cruz goes all long fly there.

Hmn...let's see...yeah...sure is good that they didn't pitch around Dunn there. I mean, if Pena and Dunn were on base for Cruz, that would have made Cruz' bomb a three-Run HR.

Yeah. Two HR and three Runs are MUCH better for the Rays than one HR and three Runs.

Is there some kind of new math going around down in Florida that I don't know about???

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:44 PM
That would be FIVE now... Pena, Randa, LaRue, Dunn and Cruzand the Reds are still losing

Reds Nd2
06-08-2005, 10:45 PM
Note to Lee Gardner:

I was caught
In the middle of a railroad track (thunder) [...of a lightning attack]
I looked round
And i knew there was no turning back (thunder)
My mind raced
And i thought what could i do (thunder)
And i knew
There was no help, no help from you (thunder)

Sound of the drums
Beatin' in my heart
The thunder of guns
Tore me apart
You've been - thunderstruck

Thunderstruck - AC-DC

Marc D
06-08-2005, 10:45 PM
:laugh: .........Yeah....that next hitter is who? Cruz? Kearns?

I thought it was RA actually ....so it's not that funny.......but that was really a stupid thing to say by the announcer.

The rockies announcers were going on and on about what a "big-time" pitcher Milton was and how 11 of his (at the time) 21 HRs were solo shots....

Just throw that out there for stupid things heard announcers saying lately.

Matt700wlw
06-08-2005, 10:45 PM
..Good thing the Reds are playing the woeful D-rays because starting Friday...deficits like this won't be so easy to overcome

westofyou
06-08-2005, 10:45 PM
REDS are fighting for Miley's job here...

Just don't know if that is a good thing... : :confused:

Nah, they're succeeding despite Daves attempt to pull strings.

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:46 PM
don't worry. RA will save the Reds

RedFanAlways1966
06-08-2005, 10:46 PM
1st time the REDS have hit 5 HRs in a game this year.

REDS have hit 4 HRs in a game only one time prior to tonight.
* Apr. 20 vs. Pirates. Pena & Aurilia... each had 2 HRs and 3 RBIs in a 6-4 win.

The REDS hit 5 HRs in a game 1 time last year (the most for a single game).
* May 31 @ Marlins. Casey(2), Pena, Larkin & Griffey hit HRs in a 9-7 win.

Big Klu
06-08-2005, 10:46 PM
Jacob Cruz has become a pretty good pinch-hitter. :thumbup:

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 10:46 PM
Aurilia needs to have the words "Can-o-Corn" tatooed on his forehead.

Falls City Beer
06-08-2005, 10:47 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if the Reds had a Baez to come in and put out the fire?

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:47 PM
RA has seen a total of 3 pitches in his two ABs. I'm sure he is bit rusty since he didn't play last night

westofyou
06-08-2005, 10:47 PM
RA a guess hitter in the twilight of his career.

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:48 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if the Reds had a Baez to come in and put out the fire?I'd rather have Scott Kazmir to start the game

Marc D
06-08-2005, 10:48 PM
Aurilia needs to have the words "Can-o-Corn" tatooed on his forehead.

They oughta play the Green Giant jingle over the PA when he comes up

Puffy
06-08-2005, 10:48 PM
Good thing they double switched Aurilia into the game. There is no way the pitchers would have put together better at bats then the lasers Aurilia hit. It was just dumb luck that the Rays were positioned correctly to catch those mile high lasers he hit.

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 10:48 PM
They oughta play the Green Giant jingle over the PA when he comes up

SUPER idea!

CALL THEM!!!

westofyou
06-08-2005, 10:49 PM
Jacob Cruz has become a pretty good pinch-hitter. :thumbup:

Classic move in the days of 10 pitchers was to have one guy who could rake and that's all he did.

And tell dirty jokes.

oneupper
06-08-2005, 10:49 PM
RA has seen a total of 3 pitches in his two ABs. I'm sure he is bit rusty since he didn't play last night

Wasted a pitch...did he?

MWM
06-08-2005, 10:49 PM
Funny, the Dodgers-Marlins trade last year has ended up being a pretty good trade for the Dodgers. Mota has been awful for the Marlins with an ERA approaching 6.00. Loduca's OPSing all of .713 this year. Choi isn't mich better and Werth has been below average, but Brad Penny is pitching well this year with an ERA of 3.67 in 56 innings.

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:50 PM
I bet Baez is glad he most likely won't have to face Pena or Dunn

Patrick Bateman
06-08-2005, 10:50 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if the Reds had a Baez to come in and put out the fire?

7 saves, 5 blown saves, killer stuff.

Saving games isn't for everyone.

Baez=Hawkins

Big Klu
06-08-2005, 10:52 PM
Aurilia needs to have the words "Can-o-Corn" tatooed on his forehead.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/photos/2003-05-20/PH_2003-05-21_pbgn-b.jpg

Falls City Beer
06-08-2005, 10:53 PM
7 saves, 5 blown saves, killer stuff.

Saving games isn't for everyone.

Baez=Hawkins

.585 OPS Against. That's gettin' it done. No matter the "saves" stat.

westofyou
06-08-2005, 10:53 PM
Rally Time
http://www.spitemag.com/bile/lineup/art/kelly.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/the_bad_news_bears/jeffrey_davies/badnewsbears1.jpg

Raisor
06-08-2005, 10:55 PM
Rally Time


http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/the_bad_news_bears/jeffrey_davies/badnewsbears1.jpg

Is that the new "Kelly"?

I guess I can see him hustling quarters playing air hockey.

RedFanAlways1966
06-08-2005, 10:55 PM
Coming into tonight the REDS have had 6 last at-bat wins this year... 3 walkoff wins.

flyer85
06-08-2005, 10:55 PM
Kelly 8IP 6H 1R 2BB 4K

Simpson on to finish. He has been on a roll of late

Patrick Bateman
06-08-2005, 10:55 PM
.585 OPS Against. That's gettin' it done. No matter the "saves" stat.

You can get cheap saves.

It's pretty hard to get a cheap blown save.

If you think the job of the closer is to close games, Baez is definitely not getting it done.

Unless that % improves, he'd make a killer set-up man.

SteelSD
06-08-2005, 10:56 PM
Funny, the Dodgers-Marlins trade last year has ended up being a pretty good trade for the Dodgers. Mota has been awful for the Marlins with an ERA approaching 6.00. Loduca's OPSing all of .713 this year. Choi isn't mich better and Werth has been below average, but Brad Penny is pitching well this year with an ERA of 3.67 in 56 innings.

Another 2004 trade tidbit:

Brad Halsey ERA: 3.48

Randy Johnson ERA: 4.03

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!