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Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 01:38 PM
Baltimore
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
B. Roberts 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .364
D. Newhan cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .198
M. Mora 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .309
M. Tejada ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .327
S. Sosa rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .240
R. Palmeiro 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .253
E. Marrero lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .154
G. Gil c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .188
S. Ponson p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
F. Lopez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .307
J. Randa 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .294
S. Casey 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .318
K. Griffey Jr. cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .273
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .242
R. Aurilia 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .238
J. Cruz rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .277
J. Valentin c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .210
R. Ortiz p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000



Can the Reds win the series?

redsfan30
06-12-2005, 01:39 PM
Baltimore
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
B. Roberts 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .364
D. Newhan cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .198
M. Mora 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .309
M. Tejada ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .327
S. Sosa rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .240
R. Palmeiro 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .253
E. Marrero lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .154
G. Gil c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .188
S. Ponson p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Cincinnati
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
F. Lopez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .307
J. Randa 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .294
S. Casey 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .318
K. Griffey Jr. cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .273
A. Dunn lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .242
R. Aurilia 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .238
J. Cruz rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .277
J. Valentin c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .210
R. Ortiz p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

Kc61
06-12-2005, 01:41 PM
Larue on bereavement list. Sardinha up.

Redmachine2003
06-12-2005, 01:42 PM
No WMP again. This Kid needs to learn how to play through a little pain every now and then.

redsfan30
06-12-2005, 01:42 PM
Larue on bereavement list. Sardinha up.
:confused:

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 01:43 PM
I like Pena, but he isn't much better than Kearns in terms of staying healthy.

guttle11
06-12-2005, 01:44 PM
:confused:


yes :confused:

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 01:45 PM
Seems we only see scrub lineups more then 2 days in a row ;)

Marc D
06-12-2005, 02:05 PM
5th game of the last 6 I don't get on Extra Innings. The only one I did get we lose 4-3. Hmmm, maybe its the Yahoo gamecast the rest of the year for me.

M2
06-12-2005, 02:07 PM
Ramon Ortiz vs. Sidney Ponson, put on the air raid sirens.

Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 02:14 PM
Ramon Ortiz vs. Sidney Ponson, put on the air raid sirens.

I predict baseball sized hail in the forecast.... ;)

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:18 PM
Roberts lines out to 1st. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:18 PM
Newhan flies out to left. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:19 PM
Mora flies out to 2nd. 0-0 mid 1st.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:22 PM
Lopez grounds out to short. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:23 PM
Randa singles to left.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:25 PM
Casey grounds into a DP. 15th DP for him this year.

LvJ
06-12-2005, 02:25 PM
Um ... whats wrong with Freel and Kearns????

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 02:25 PM
15 double plays.

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 02:26 PM
Um ... whats wrong with Freel and Kearns????
Well one is sore and the other is in AAA now ;)

Redsland
06-12-2005, 02:26 PM
So often we hear that a player's problem is that he's "inconsistent."

Thank goodness Casey doesn't have that problem.

:)

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 02:26 PM
Um ... whats wrong with Freel and Kearns????

Kearns was sent to Louisville. Freel and Pena have leg problems. Nothing major they say.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:26 PM
Um ... whats wrong with Freel and Kearns????
Kearns got sent to Louisville, not sure about Freel

cReds1
06-12-2005, 02:26 PM
i get to see it on Orioles network just like yesterday. Free that is. :D

PuffyPig
06-12-2005, 02:27 PM
Um ... whats wrong with Freel and Kearns????

Living under a rock these days?

Freel is battling injuries and Kearns is in the minors.

remdog
06-12-2005, 02:27 PM
Freel knee, Kearns now resides in L'ville.

Rem

guttle11
06-12-2005, 02:27 PM
:bang: another DP

M2
06-12-2005, 02:27 PM
Jim Rice had best be quaking in his boots. Sean Casey's coming to erase him from the record books.

MWM
06-12-2005, 02:27 PM
Casey's DPs are beyond ridiculous.

In that AB, the O's announcers were praising Sean for being such a "tremendous contact hitter." "he puts the ball in play" they said with glowing praise. They flashed the figure that he hadn't struck out in his last 65 ABs.

LvJ
06-12-2005, 02:28 PM
Just read about Kearns. :bang: :angry:

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:28 PM
Tejada doubles off the wall in right center.

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 02:29 PM
Jim Rice had best be quaking in his boots. Sean Casey's coming to erase him from the record books.
A record is a record ;)

MWM
06-12-2005, 02:30 PM
Jim Rice had best be quaking in his boots. Sean Casey's coming to erase him from the record books.

Top 10 most DPs in any season:


GIDP YEAR GIDP
1 Jim Rice 1984 36
2 Jim Rice 1985 35
T3 Ivan Rodriguez 1999 32
T3 Cal Ripken 1985 32
T3 Jackie Jensen 1954 32
T6 Jim Rice 1983 31
T6 Bobby Doerr 1949 31
T6 Tony Armas 1983 31
T6 Ben Grieve 2000 31
T10 Ernie Lombardi 1938 30
T10 Dave Winfield 1983 30
T10 Carl Yastrzemski 1964 30
T10 Brad Ausmus 2002 30
T10 Billy Hitchcock 1950 30

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:30 PM
Larue's grandfather died. That is why he is on bereavement leave.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:32 PM
Sosa homers to left center. 2-0 Orioles.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 02:32 PM
Corky homers. 2-0 Birds.

Ortiz stinks.

flyer85
06-12-2005, 02:32 PM
Keisler! Keisler!

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:33 PM
Palmeiro grounds out to 2nd. Good play by Aurilia.

PuffyPig
06-12-2005, 02:33 PM
Casey has averaged 15 GIDP per season since he came into the league, with a high of 19.

I can't imagine why he's so much worse this year, other than perhaps he's being less selective this year with his pitches. But his hitting is, more or less, pretty much the same as in past years.

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 02:33 PM
What does Ortiz have to do to get put in the pen or AAA? :(

guttle11
06-12-2005, 02:33 PM
here we go :rolleyes: ortiz at it again

M2
06-12-2005, 02:33 PM
Tejada doubles off the wall in right center.

He's real good. Bet Billy Beane's wishing he'd made Miggy his franchise player and not Eric Chavez.

Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 02:34 PM
I think it's funny how all this "veteran leadership" that was purchased this offseason has done worse than the young cheap guys.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:34 PM
Marrero grounds out to 3rd. 2 outs.

Mitri
06-12-2005, 02:34 PM
Ortiz is awesome for one inning.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:35 PM
Gil singles to left.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 02:35 PM
Corky homers. 2-0 Birds.

Ortiz stinks.

I bet you anything he didn't complain as it sailed over the wall; cuz Ortiz is a man of honor.

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 02:35 PM
Ortiz is awesome for one inning.
*coughPENcough*

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:36 PM
Ponson doubles. Get Ortiz out now.

Mitri
06-12-2005, 02:36 PM
yank him now

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 02:36 PM
I bet you anything he didn't complain as it sailed over the wall; cuz Ortiz is a man of honor.

I hear he gives great haircuts too.

Now Ponson doubles.

PuffyPig
06-12-2005, 02:36 PM
We may have just witnessed the 2 fattest baserunners on base at the same time.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 02:36 PM
Ponson doubles. Get Ortiz out now.

Not until the cameraman has panned onto DanO's face as he beams at his brilliant creation.

MWM
06-12-2005, 02:36 PM
Before tonight's game, Ortiz had an ERA of 6.25 to go along with Wilson's 7.77, and Milton's 7.46....DanO's 3 off-seaon SP acquisitions costing the Reds $15MM.

Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 02:37 PM
Kiesler should be in the rotation....

...and after Milton gets rocked in Fenway tomorrow....

:help:

westofyou
06-12-2005, 02:37 PM
Guys who average 19 GIDP in their 20's generally move up as they get older.

Other famous slow guys.

GIDP YEAR GIDP TB AGE
1 Jim Rice 1984 36 307 31
2 Jim Rice 1985 35 266 32
T3 Bobby Doerr 1949 31 269 31
T3 Jim Rice 1983 31 344 30
T5 Brad Ausmus 2002 30 158 33
T5 Ernie Lombardi 1938 30 256 30
T5 Billy Hitchcock 1950 30 144 33
T5 Dave Winfield 1983 30 307 31
T9 Frank Howard 1971 29 260 34
T9 George Bell 1992 29 262 32
T9 Frank Howard 1969 29 340 32
T9 Dave Philley 1952 29 208 32

Redsland
06-12-2005, 02:38 PM
I think it's funny how all this "veteran leadership" that was purchased this offseason has done worse than the young cheap guys.
It's hard to lead when you're busy crying about p.t.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:38 PM
Roberts singles to center. 3-0 O's.

cReds1
06-12-2005, 02:38 PM
Ouch!

Mitri
06-12-2005, 02:38 PM
Yank Him Now

flyer85
06-12-2005, 02:38 PM
better get him now ...

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 02:39 PM
Why does David Newhan bat 2nd?

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 02:39 PM
Any other RZ who went last night happy they skipped this game? ;)

westofyou
06-12-2005, 02:40 PM
According to the O's announcers the only guy who gives up more hits than Ortiz is Tony Soprano.

Kc61
06-12-2005, 02:40 PM
I think it's funny how all this "veteran leadership" that was purchased this offseason has done worse than the young cheap guys.

Recently calculated for another thread that without Ortiz, Graves, Wilson and Milton Reds team ERA is 4.64. If you also eliminate Weber and Valentine you get 4.31.

LvJ
06-12-2005, 02:40 PM
Why does David Newhan bat 2nd? I dunno.

Is anyone warming up? Or just Miley being Miley (aka, total freaking idiot)?

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 02:40 PM
Any other RZ who went last night happy they skipped this game? ;)

Dude, come on. And miss a gamer like Ortiz?

Personally I would have been disgusted going to last night's game when Kearns was still in the clubhouse--he's no man of honor.

Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 02:41 PM
Last night the team showed what they actually are capable of doing. The Reds have won 4 out of the last 5 games.

This isn't the first streak they've had in which that "veteran presence" has been a rally killer...

flyer85
06-12-2005, 02:41 PM
dont' worry ... Ortiz and Milton will work it out

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:41 PM
Newhan flies out to center. 3-0 O's mid 2nd.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 02:41 PM
Ortiz's era has risen to 6.60. Could he push it up over 7 today and join his buddies Milton and Wilson?

Kc61
06-12-2005, 02:42 PM
dont' worry ... Ortiz and Milton will work it out

Milton is a longer term problem. Ortiz should be bullpened and eventually let go. Wilson should play long toss for a couple more months.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 02:42 PM
Milton and Wilson?

Both men of honor.

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 02:43 PM
dont' worry ... Ortiz and Milton will work it out
For....? :D

flyer85
06-12-2005, 02:43 PM
Ortiz's era has risen to 6.60. Could he push it up over 7 today and join his buddies Milton and Wilson?DanO should be proud, quite a set of jewels he acquired

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 02:44 PM
Both men of honor.

He's no DeNiro.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_2/images/movie-men-of-honor.jpg

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 02:44 PM
DanO should be proud, quite a set of jewels he acquired

And the best part is, they don't complain. They have guaranteed contracts and spots in the rotation.

Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 02:44 PM
DanO should be proud, quite a set of jewels he acquired

Thank god they know how to win because I'm not sure what else they'd be capable of doing...

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:45 PM
Junior just missed a homer foul down the right field line.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:46 PM
Junior walks.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:47 PM
Dunn lines a single to left center. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

MWM
06-12-2005, 02:48 PM
Another hit for Dunn w/o RISP.

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 02:48 PM
Another hit for Dunn w/o RISP.
He should have been the one to AAA

ochre
06-12-2005, 02:49 PM
Another hit for Dunn w/o RISP.
that makes it a soft hit I believe.

ochre
06-12-2005, 02:49 PM
He should have been the one to AAA
Give them time. He's probably next.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:49 PM
Aurilia homers to left center. Tie game 3-3!

flyer85
06-12-2005, 02:49 PM
give RA some love.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 02:50 PM
Aurilia ties it. :laugh:

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 02:50 PM
Give them time. He's probably next.

No doubt. Another week of sub-superstar play and he's gonzo.

MWM
06-12-2005, 02:50 PM
:pimp:

westofyou
06-12-2005, 02:50 PM
Shining the Turd for a sale somewhere.

TylerScottDavis
06-12-2005, 02:50 PM
Is it OK for me to be dissapointed whenever RA does something good?

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:50 PM
Cruz grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 02:51 PM
Rich Aurilia is clutch ;)

LINEDRIVER
06-12-2005, 02:51 PM
Way to go Richie. You might get alot of these RedsZoners off your butt eventually. LOL

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 02:51 PM
Looks like Rich has been injecting again.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:51 PM
Valentin grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 02:51 PM
Kearns' replacement sees one pitch, makes an out. I'll keep you updated on replacement level joy.

MWM
06-12-2005, 02:51 PM
I don't think any GM out there would be dumb enough to trade for Aurilia even if he goes on a tear. But even if he does, and teams show interest, I question whether DanO would actually pull the trigger in an attempt to justify the acquisition.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 02:51 PM
Is it OK for me to be dissapointed whenever RA does something good?

Join the club.

Kc61
06-12-2005, 02:52 PM
RA has played well since he returned from injury. With guys like Ortiz on the team, I don't know why anyone wastes time complaining about RA. What was OBrien thinking with Ortiz? What is Miley thinking by continuing to trot him out there?

If you are trying to win, Keisler should be the starter and Ortiz pitching mop up.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:52 PM
Ortiz grounds out to short. 3-3 after 2.

MWM
06-12-2005, 02:52 PM
The O's announcers are blaming this all on Ponson getting on base last inning.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 02:53 PM
RA has played well since he returned from injury. With guys like Ortiz on the team, I don't know why anyone wastes time complaining about RA. What was OBrien thinking with Ortiz? What is Miley thinking by continuing to trot him out there?

If you are trying to win, Keisler should be the starter and Ortiz pitching mop up.

Need I remind you of Keisler's problem? See my sig. Man of honor? Eh-eh.

westofyou
06-12-2005, 02:53 PM
Dave Kingman walked more often than Rich Aurilia.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 02:54 PM
There should be a rule that if the hitter before you makes an out on the first pitch...the next hitter has to take the first pitch. Valentin just broke that rule.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:55 PM
Mora grounds out. 1 out.

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 02:55 PM
I don't think any GM out there would be dumb enough to trade for Aurilia even if he goes on a tear. But even if he does, and teams show interest, I question whether DanO would actually pull the trigger in an attempt to justify the acquisition.
No doubt, I have a fear that Dan O has Randa and RA as the left side of the infield for next season..trade EE move Lopez to 2nd :bang:

flyer85
06-12-2005, 02:56 PM
Shining the Turd for a sale somewhere.didn't know those would shine up.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:56 PM
Tejada flies out to center. 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 02:57 PM
didn't know those would shine up.

Everything DanO touches turns to gold, even turds.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:57 PM
Sosa homers again. 4-3 O's.

flyer85
06-12-2005, 02:58 PM
The Barber strikes again

ochre
06-12-2005, 02:58 PM
RA has played well since he returned from injury. With guys like Ortiz on the team, I don't know why anyone wastes time complaining about RA.

If you are trying to win, Keisler should be the starter and Ortiz pitching mop up.
because talented younger players are being set aside for him? Because as bad as he's been Kearns is OPS'ing .700 compared to Rich's .689 before today?

If it was about winning at this stage, I'd be more concerned about the pitching. Its about preparing for when Milton's gone now. Rich Aurilia is not going to make a difference with this team, nor with future Reds teams.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 02:58 PM
That was soooo honorable. Such a gutsy, heartfelt effort.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 02:58 PM
Leave it to the Reds pitchers to heal Sammy's bat.

Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 02:59 PM
Oh, Ramon....

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 02:59 PM
Palmeiro walks on 4 pitches.

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 02:59 PM
Sosa and RA having a re-live the past day

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 03:00 PM
Sosa and RA having a re-live the past day

Every crappy hitter has a future against the Reds.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:01 PM
Marrero strikes out looking. 4-3 O's mid 3rd.

ochre
06-12-2005, 03:02 PM
don't forget, even though Ponson would be towards the top of the Reds rotation as it currently exists, he is a BAD major league pitcher. (1.59 WHIP and a .304 BAA on the year and an .828 OPSagainst vs. Righties)

flyer85
06-12-2005, 03:03 PM
Everything DanO touches turns to gold, even turds.DanO the Alchemist

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:03 PM
Lopez doubles to lead off the inning.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 03:05 PM
25 XBH for Lopez.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:05 PM
Randa flies out to left. Lopez goes to 3rd. 1 out.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 03:05 PM
Sammy Sosa looks like somebody's Mom.

cReds1
06-12-2005, 03:06 PM
Randa flies out to left. Lopez goes to 3rd. 1 out.

Man, i am sure glad Randa made CONTACT. :D

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:07 PM
Casey singles to right. Tie game 4-4.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 03:08 PM
Man, i am sure glad Randa made CONTACT. :D

You glad Casey made contact in the first?

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:08 PM
Junior grounds into a 4-6 fielder's choice. 2 outs.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 03:08 PM
Masters of the Turd Universe is in full swing. Ponson hates to be outdone in poopiness.

M2
06-12-2005, 03:08 PM
Dunn's going yard here.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:09 PM
Dunn strikes out swinging. 4-4 after 3.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 03:10 PM
Ponson and Ortiz are having like mirror-image innings.

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 03:10 PM
Dunn's going yard here.
Call a K next time ;)

M2
06-12-2005, 03:11 PM
Dunn's going yard here.

Or maybe not. The second strike that he watched go by was a hittable pitch.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:13 PM
Gil grounds out to 3rd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:13 PM
Ponson grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:15 PM
Roberts flies out to left. 4-4 mid 4th.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:18 PM
Aurilia strikes out looking. 1 out.

MWM
06-12-2005, 03:19 PM
Only the A's and the Rockies have worse records than the Reds.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 03:19 PM
Fat Sidney's settling in. (But not to the Hometown Buffet this time).

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 03:19 PM
Only the A's and the Rockies have worse records than the Reds.

Royals

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:19 PM
Cruz grounds out to 1st. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:20 PM
Only the A's and the Rockies have worse records than the Reds. Devil Rays do.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:20 PM
Valentin singles.

Cedric
06-12-2005, 03:21 PM
Royals

DRays

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:21 PM
Ortiz gets his 1st ever hit. 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 03:22 PM
Maybe Ortiz can DH this week

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:22 PM
Lopez grounds into a 5-4 fielder's choice. 4-4 after 4.

MWM
06-12-2005, 03:24 PM
oops. I misread. I forgot th D-rays and the Royals.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 03:25 PM
oops. I misread. I forgot th D-rays and the Royals.

We'll forgive you. After all, it's not as though the Reds aren't a horseshoe toss away from any of those teams. And a few light years away from contenders.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:26 PM
Newhan flies out to left. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:27 PM
Mora flies out to center. Good over the shoulder catch by Junior.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:28 PM
Tejeda grounds out to short. Great play by Lopez. 4-4 mid 5th.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 03:28 PM
Nice play by Felipe!

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:31 PM
Randa flies out to right. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:32 PM
Casey singles.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:33 PM
Junior homers to right. 6-4 Reds!!!

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 03:33 PM
Griffey homers!

6-4.

Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 03:34 PM
Say hello to #18 all time!!

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:34 PM
Junior now tied with Ernie Banks and Edie Mathews for 16th place all time with 512 homers.

RosieRed
06-12-2005, 03:34 PM
I heart Junior.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:35 PM
Dunn grounds out to 1st.

cReds1
06-12-2005, 03:36 PM
You glad Casey made contact in the first?

No, but when you make CONTACT at least you are making something happen, from someone having to make a play to possibly moving someone over and even this tells us the batter is seeing the ball pretty good for the day and he will more than likely get a hit or two.

How did Casey do in the 3rd? :D

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:36 PM
Aurilia flies out to the warning track in right. 6-4 Reds after 5.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:38 PM
Sosa grounds out to the pitcher. 1 out.

Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 03:39 PM
Where the Griffey bashers been?

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 03:39 PM
JR heating up :clap:

cReds1
06-12-2005, 03:39 PM
everyone has a hit with the exception of Cruz

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 03:40 PM
Where the Griffey bashers been?
They changed to the Dunn Bashers party

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:41 PM
Palmeiro walks.

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 03:41 PM
everyone has a hit with the exception of Cruz
If Austin were playing he would have 3 hits

Just sayin

westofyou
06-12-2005, 03:41 PM
Where the Griffey bashers been?
Reds Live.

Joseph
06-12-2005, 03:41 PM
You know Junior could be a good choice as our All-Star rep. 43 RBI's is a good showing.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 03:41 PM
You just know Marrero's gonna launch one here.

cReds1
06-12-2005, 03:42 PM
Where the Griffey bashers been?

right here and it is about time is all i have to say, don't you think? I hope he heats up, he should, he is overdue to have a good season. I want him to play good, but I will not hide the times when he plays bad like some like to do on here.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:42 PM
Marrero grounds into a 1-6-3 double play. 6-4 Reds mid 6th.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:44 PM
You know Junior could be a good choice as our All-Star rep. 43 RBI's is a good showing.
Junior could be a starter in the All star game. I believe he was 4th in the latest voting.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:45 PM
Cruz leads off with a single.

Caveat Emperor
06-12-2005, 03:46 PM
You know Junior could be a good choice as our All-Star rep. 43 RBI's is a good showing.

He'd be an "acceptable" All-Star rep, but I'd hate to see it be at the expense of Felipe Lopez. The fact that he isn't even close to the top of the fan voting for SS just proves how worthless the system is.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:46 PM
Wild pitch moves Cruz to 2nd.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 03:46 PM
No, but when you make CONTACT at least you are making something happen, from someone having to make a play to possibly moving someone over and even this tells us the batter is seeing the ball pretty good for the day and he will more than likely get a hit or two.


Contact can lead to bad things. Like double plays aka rally killers.

Making contact doesn't make it more likely you will get a hit. Some of the best contact hitters have awful stats.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?seasonType=2&type=sab&sort=strikeouts&minpa=150&split=0&season=2005&pos=all&hand=a&league=mlb&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&qual=false&count=191

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:46 PM
Kelly coming in to pinch run for Cruz.

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 03:47 PM
Welcome to the majors Kenny

TeamBoone
06-12-2005, 03:48 PM
Kelly coming in to pinch run for Cruz.

Why?

Now he'll stay in the game... a rookie in a close game.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:49 PM
Valentin flies out to left. 1 out.

KronoRed
06-12-2005, 03:49 PM
Why?

Now he'll stay in the game... a rookie in a close game.
Does seem a little early to bring him in.. :confused:

Caveat Emperor
06-12-2005, 03:50 PM
Why?

Now he'll stay in the game... a rookie in a close game.

Defensively, I'd call it a push; Cruz is far from the best glove in the majors.

TeamBoone
06-12-2005, 03:50 PM
I often think DM makes moves just to make moves.

PuffyPig
06-12-2005, 03:51 PM
Why?

Now he'll stay in the game... a rookie in a close game.

Have you seen Cruz field? Kelly is much better.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:51 PM
Ortiz strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

TeamBoone
06-12-2005, 03:51 PM
Defensively, I'd call it a push; Cruz is far from the best glove in the majors.

True, but at least he's probably not nervous about playing his first game in the bigs.

Just didn't seem necessary, IMHO.

smith288
06-12-2005, 03:51 PM
Does seem a little early to bring him in.. :confused: Its mileys newest toy...gotta try it out.

Cedric
06-12-2005, 03:51 PM
This isn't little league. If you are on the 25 man roster you have to play in tight games. Kelly is a much better fielder and he has more speed, easy choice seemingly.

smith288
06-12-2005, 03:52 PM
SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
2000 Tampa Bay Devil Rays 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000

This isnt his first big league game technically...but it was with TampaB.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:53 PM
Lopez singles. 7-4 Reds!

TeamBoone
06-12-2005, 03:53 PM
Woo Hoo! Felipe!

TeamBoone
06-12-2005, 03:54 PM
This isn't little league. If you are on the 25 man roster you have to play in tight games. Kelly is a much better fielder and he has more speed, easy choice seemingly.

Ok, you think it's a good move. I don't.

Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 03:54 PM
I must say I've been eating some crow about Lopez....I honestly didn't think the guy could play.

This year he has thankfully proven me very wrong

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:54 PM
Randa grounds out to short. 7-4 Reds after 6.

PuffyPig
06-12-2005, 03:57 PM
Replacing a slow, poor fielder with a speedy much better fielder when he's on second with no outs with a 2 run lead is very good baseball. You may as well get the speed into the game in a situation when you might need it, because you wanted the better fielder in anyway.

What's not to like?

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:57 PM
Gil grounds out to short. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:57 PM
Gibbons pinch hitting for Ponson.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 03:59 PM
Gibbons grounds out to short. Good job by Casey digging the throw out of the dirt. 2 outs.

westofyou
06-12-2005, 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by TeamBoone
Why?

Now he'll stay in the game... a rookie in a close game.

The season is over, submit to the Borg and watch the youngster fly.

TeamBoone
06-12-2005, 03:59 PM
Replacing a slow, poor fielder with a speedy much better fielder when he's on second with no outs with a 2 run lead is very good baseball. You may as well get the speed into the game in a situation when you might need it, because you wanted the better fielder in anyway.

What's not to like?

That's not the part I don't like. It was having a rookie enter a close game as they're usually somewhat nervous; that being said, I didn't know he had played in the bigs before, so that makes me feel somewhat better.

I guess my biggest thing, and I know this probably sounds overly stupid, is just Miley. Seems like he thinks he always needs to get everyone in the game... Kenny is brand new, and he puts him in right away.

Don't know; just my feeling about DM.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 04:01 PM
Roberts strikes out swinging. 7-4 Reds mid 7th.

WVRedsFan
06-12-2005, 04:02 PM
That's not the part I don't like. It was having a rookie enter a close game as they're usually somewhat nervous; that being said, I didn't know he had played in the bigs before, so that makes me feel somewhat better.

I guess my biggest thing, and I know this probably sounds overly stupid, is just Miley. Seems like he thinks he always needs to get everyone in the game... Kenny is brand new, and he puts him in right away.

Don't know; just my feeling about DM.

TB:

I'm the same way. At this point if Miley walked on water it wouldn't please me.

Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 04:02 PM
Aside from the rocky start, Ortiz really hasn't been too bad today.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 04:03 PM
TB:

I'm the same way. At this point if Miley walked on water it wouldn't please me.

Hear, hear.

You've EARNED the right to second-guess Miley at this point.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 04:03 PM
Steve Kline in to pitch.

Caveat Emperor
06-12-2005, 04:05 PM
The season is over, submit to the Borg and watch the youngster fly.

Bingo. Any talk of making the club more competitive or visits from the COO to try and "light a fire" under the team should just be read as PR posturing to keep the fans believing there is a chance to win and buying tickets.

This season was cooked the day Eric Milton, Paul Wilson and Ramon Ortiz were coutned on to be 60% of the rotation. Some of us just didn't know it at the time.

TeamBoone
06-12-2005, 04:06 PM
TB:

I'm the same way. At this point if Miley walked on water it wouldn't please me.

Ironically, even before I read this, I was sitting here thinking about what PuffyPig said. Why do I feel the way I do.

I liked it when DM was named the Reds manager, and now I hate it because of all the silly/dumb/crazy/unfounded things he does. I guess I've just become so used to it, that I now feel every move he makes fits into the same mold.

I need to change my attitude.

WVRedsFan
06-12-2005, 04:07 PM
Aside from the rocky start, Ortiz really hasn't been too bad today.

IP - 7
Hits - 6
Runs - 4
BB - 2
K - 2
Strikes - 61
Balls - 31
ERA - 5.14

Not too bad,

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 04:07 PM
Casey singles to center. His 3rd hit of the day.

TeamBoone
06-12-2005, 04:07 PM
Bingo. Any talk of making the club more competitive or visits from the COO to try and "light a fire" under the team should just be read as PR posturing to keep the fans believing there is a chance to win and buying tickets.

This season was cooked the day Eric Milton, Paul Wilson and Ramon Ortiz were coutned on to be 60% of the rotation. Some of us just didn't know it at the time.

I still like to think they could turn it around... a lot of good games and some luck. Rose colored glasses. Can't help it.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 04:08 PM
Aside from the rocky start, Ortiz really hasn't been too bad today.

If any team in the Majors was destined to be knocked down a peg or two, it was the Orioles. They're about as substantial a contender as an igloo in the Bahamas.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 04:08 PM
Junior doubles to right. 2nd and 3rd with no outs.

Caveat Emperor
06-12-2005, 04:09 PM
I still like to think they could turn it around... a lot of good games and some luck. Rose colored glasses. Can't help it.

And when Jr. swings the bat the way he has been lately, it really makes me want to believe. :thumbup:

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 04:10 PM
Dunn intentionally walked. Bases loaded with no outs.

Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 04:10 PM
If any team in the Majors was destined to be knocked down a peg or two, it was the Orioles. They're about as substantial a contender as an igloo in the Bahamas.

Perhaps. But the fact that the Reds are beating them for (hopefully) 2 out of 3 is a bit different than pounding the pitiful Devil Rays

Bring on Fenway!!

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 04:10 PM
Bases loaded, 0 outs.

Can the Reds score double digits for the 4th time in 5 games?

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 04:11 PM
IP - 7
Hits - 6
Runs - 4
BB - 2
K - 2
Strikes - 61
Balls - 31
ERA - 5.14

Not too bad,

8 baserunners, 2 homers, 2 doubles.

Not good either.

Caveat Emperor
06-12-2005, 04:11 PM
Dunn intentionally walked. Bases loaded with no outs.

Setting up the 1-2-3 DP for Aurillia. Who wants odds?

MWM
06-12-2005, 04:11 PM
Junior is really starting to heat up. Any chance an AL team would take his contract off our hands?

It hurts to type that. I'm a big Junior fan.

cReds1
06-12-2005, 04:11 PM
Contact can lead to bad things. Like double plays aka rally killers.

Making contact doesn't make it more likely you will get a hit. Some of the best contact hitters have awful stats.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?seasonType=2&type=sab&sort=strikeouts&minpa=150&split=0&season=2005&pos=all&hand=a&league=mlb&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&qual=false&count=191

Hmmmmmmmmmm

How many hits for Casey today? :D

Kc61
06-12-2005, 04:11 PM
Ironically, even before I read this, I was sitting here thinking about what PuffyPig said. Why do I feel the way I do.

I liked it when DM was named the Reds manager, and now I hate it because of all the silly/dumb/crazy/unfounded things he does. I guess I've just become so used to it, that I now feel every move he makes fits into the same mold.

I need to change my attitude.

No you don't. I think the last few days have shown us all something. When the team gets decent pitching, it is a much better ball club and sometimes quite exciting to follow.

If the team had reasonable pitching we all would be less frustrated with Miley and less annoyed with some of his moves.

MWM
06-12-2005, 04:11 PM
Dunn again leaving the heavy lifting to others.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 04:12 PM
Todd Williams in to pitch.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2005, 04:13 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmm

How many hits for Casey today? :D

How many double plays he have this season?

PuffyPig
06-12-2005, 04:13 PM
Griffey robbed of an RBI because of the slow running Casey.

I bet Kelly could have scored on that it.

Unless, of course, he succumbed to the pressure.

WVRedsFan
06-12-2005, 04:13 PM
Bingo. Any talk of making the club more competitive or visits from the COO to try and "light a fire" under the team should just be read as PR posturing to keep the fans believing there is a chance to win and buying tickets.

This season was cooked the day Eric Milton, Paul Wilson and Ramon Ortiz were coutned on to be 60% of the rotation. Some of us just didn't know it at the time.

I agree 100% with both statements. IMNSHO, Allen's visit was totally PR to pump attendance for the TB series. They never considered any changes because they knew the team had a good chance of taking TB and playing well against Baltimore. Homestand attendance is boosted and then they can go on the road and stink again at Boston.

One more thing...even though Milton has that big contract, I'd be damned if I would march Milton out there every five days. Miley needs to learn that in the MLB, the objective is to win.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 04:13 PM
Aurilia singles to left. 8-4 Reds! Bases still loaded.

TeamBoone
06-12-2005, 04:13 PM
Dunn again leaving the heavy lifting to others.

Huh? Didn't they intentionally walk him?

Geez, Rich is gonna be the Reds All Star rep... :rolleyes:

cReds1
06-12-2005, 04:14 PM
How many double plays he have this season?

I don't know and don't care, the man is a hitting machine and that is the bottom line.

Kc61
06-12-2005, 04:14 PM
How many double plays he have this season?

I vote that contact is good.

It's really a pleasure to see Griffey hitting this well. Really hope he can stay healthy. He should rest a bit more.

Caveat Emperor
06-12-2005, 04:15 PM
Junior is really starting to heat up. Any chance an AL team would take his contract off our hands?

It hurts to type that. I'm a big Junior fan.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: As a Reds fan, I know the supreme importance of relieving the burden of Jr's contract...

...but man, I love watching him play. As just a stupid "Go ReDz!" fan, I'd love it if they could keep him.

And, based on the way the Reds have spent money when they've had it, I seriously doubt the savings they'd recieve from dealing Jr. would result in any tangible improvement to the club.

TeamBoone
06-12-2005, 04:15 PM
succumbed

Every time I read this word (succumb), it reminds me of a line in a book I read recently.... "Is that one word or two?".

Cracks me up every time.

redsfan30
06-12-2005, 04:16 PM
Kenny Kelly drives in two!

10-4 Reds.

Reds Fanatic
06-12-2005, 04:16 PM
Kelly singles drives in 2. 10-4 Reds!!! Welcome to the team Kenny!

TeamBoone
06-12-2005, 04:16 PM
OK, I'll be a "man" about it... go Kenny!!!!! Great move by Miley!!

PuffyPig
06-12-2005, 04:16 PM
Damn you Dave Miley!!!!

Falls City Beer
06-12-2005, 04:16 PM
One more thing...even though Milton has that big contract, I'd be damned if I would march Milton out there every five days. Miley needs to learn that in the MLB, the objective is to win.

:thumbup:

100% agree. You wanna impress me with this "good guys make good winners" crap, you'll explain to Milton that he must not be a good guy because he's a total loser.

Caveat Emperor
06-12-2005, 04:17 PM
Why?

Now he'll stay in the game... a rookie in a close game.

I think we have our answer. :thumbup:

Matt700wlw
06-12-2005, 04:17 PM
This is the offensive potential we all thought this team was capable on a regular basis....

Joseph
06-12-2005, 04:17 PM
Is that two first big league hits in the same game?

redsfan30
06-12-2005, 04:17 PM
The Reds have played good baseball over the last week.

It's good to see.

redsfan30
06-12-2005, 04:18 PM
Wily Mo moves into the on deck circle.